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Promise of something better from Samsung in Feb?
Could it be the Galaxy S2?
Thoughts?
There will always be something bigger and better on the horizon in the world of cell phones. But no expandable memory and 3g on tmobile only? I'll be waiting for something else.
I talk about why I feel Google/Sammy partnership was a last minute idea, and that they both tried to get dual-core into the Nexus S but couldn't do it in time to launch with Gingerbread. In other words, the Nexus S was a rushed device, and maybe we should reconsider before buying them and allowing them to "get away," so to speak, with providing us a Nexus branded phone that doesn't live up to what the Nexus name entails.
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I am with you completely. The lack of expandable memory reminds me of the iphone, and the xmas release timing would fit into your theory of a rushed device. To me a phone meant to follow nexus one should blow everyone's socks off and this (while I'm sure it is a nice phone) isn't even close. In fact I would go so far to say that other than gingerbread, it seems a slight improvement at best.
also keep in mind that the Galaxy 2, no matter how good the specs, is going to be running touchwiz and not stock android.
if you want a stock android device, the nexus s is the way to go right now, or the G2 if you want a keyboard.
dude.. im waiting for the EVO 5 ...**** gonna fly... lol if u think like that stay away from technology
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also keep in mind that the Galaxy 2, no matter how good the specs, is going to be running touchwiz and not stock android.
if you want a stock android device, the nexus s is the way to go right now, or the G2 if you want a keyboard.
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Exactly. I'm getting the Nexus S because it's a Google phone. Samsung makes very good hardware, but they are lousy progammers. What good is great hardware when it's let down by crappy drivers? Google, on the other hand, specialize in software, and they're very good at it.
Samsung hardware and Google software, that should be an awesome combination.
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I talk about why I feel Google/Sammy partnership was a last minute idea, and that they both tried to get dual-core into the Nexus S but couldn't do it in time to launch with Gingerbread. In other words, the Nexus S was a rushed device, and maybe we should reconsider before buying them and allowing them to "get away," so to speak, with providing us a Nexus branded phone that doesn't live up to what the Nexus name entails.
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Nexus S has always been a single-core product. I've read lots of entertaining rumors about multicore, though. The belief that we changed SoCs from Orion to Hummingbird (or were going to change the other way around) at the last moment is fascinating, but completely out of touch with the realities of developing these devices.
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The belief that we changed SoCs from Orion to Hummingbird (or were going to change the other way around) at the last moment is fascinating, but completely out of touch with the realities of developing these devices.
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Of course you'd say that, it's all part of the Great Google Nexus Conspiracy
The quad-core Nexus 3 is probably being developed at Area 51 at this very moment! I'm thinking virtual screen and keyboard, holographic, of course.
Nothing is going to hold me back from buying this. By the time dual core comes. They would be talking about quad cores
And I m getting everything I need from the current generation phones. Will upgrade later if they really have something good on the table to offer
My disappointment doesn't come so much from the lack of dual-core, but more from the lack of HSPA+ support. It's baffling (but not really baffling considering I feel Google/Sammy's partnership came mid-year during or after the Galaxy S success, and they both rushed to get the Nexus S out with Gingerbread before Xmas) that they would not include support for 4G when you start to consider the Nexus S into the year 2011 (it's coming in approximately 3 weeks). All carriers are pushing toward "4G" and even some handsets already support it. Yes, it's not prominent now, but this is the future of 2011, and for a Nexus branded phone to not be future-proof makes it difficult to drop $529 dollars on - especially when you factor in the other baffling decisions (lack of SD expansion, 480p HD recording, dropping LED).
Okay let's get this clear...
HSPA+ isn't a big factor. Yet.
Why?
My Vibrant has pulled down 7.2mbps. My G2 pulled down 10mbps.
Big upgrade? Not really.
Vibrant (and Nexus S) are both capped at 7.2 (device)
G2 is capped at 14.4. The G2 however is very unlikely to go over 10 until late next year, if that.
an extra 3mbps doesn't matter much if you're already pulling down 5+. On your... Cell Phone.
However! Most people pull less than 5mbps period. If this is true, HSPA+ doesn't even matter for you.
I'm been really annoyed with all the hate being spewed about the Nexus S over the last several days. I've been meaning to post why I think most of the hate is seriously misinformed or not fully thought out, but I came across this post on Android and Me and it sums up almost exactly how I feel.
Credit to jivemaster and Android and Me:
I am first in line for a Nexus S. I’m not sure what people are waiting for. This is Google’s phone for the next 11-12 months like the N1 was. Great support, great features. It uses the top tier hardware available to date. Best screen in the industry, best CPU, best GPU in a phone. Sure it’s no dual-core, but that disappointment is purely a consequence of the stupid rumours that have plagued this device since its conception.
This will be what the Galaxy S should have been. Great hardware fully controlled by Google.
For heavens sake, the SGX540 is a truly epic GPU, and vastly more powerful than the 535 found in the iphone and ipad. Apple’s devices run great games, and the Nexus S trumps both devices with its power. Sure we’ve seen it before in the Galaxy S, but the Galaxy S is a pure Samsung phone, crippled by it’s unoptimised OS, practically no support is given to it, the poor thing is still waiting for froyo in most of America. Because of this, we have not seen the true power of the hummingbird. That is until now. And it will be glorious.
The Nexus S is not last gen. It’s current gen. It just missed the dual-core boat. And people are fixated on it.
This very website said it was hard to believe that the Nexus S could be released with a dual-core, but plenty of other websites/blogs went nuts reporting the release setback was due to a dual-core upgrade. Everyone got set on the rumours and when this was released there was nothing but disappointment.
People are too busy thinking what the Nexus S could have been.
It’s silly really. Dual core is not ready. Dual core is not supported in any android revision to date, honeycomb may change this, but I highly doubt the upcoming tegra phones will sport honeycomb on release, or anytime soon after release. That’s being delusional. Manufacturers have taken so long to release these tegra phones, and these manufacturers are catastrophically slow with updates. I’ll be surprised frankly if they ship with gingerbread.
Good luck getting your updates on these tegra phones in a timely manner.
Tegra is unbelievably powerful, no question, but in the hands of device manufacturers I think performance will vary greatly – device manufacturers tend to throw in great hardware and then cripple it with absolutely shocking OS revisions and software optimisation.
You’re guaranteed a lot of great optimisation with the Nexus S, but not with other products.
You really only have the LG Star and Motorola Olympus to choose from if you want tegra, and they were running froyo when we last saw them. The LG Star just looks horrible as far as build quality is concerned and video demo’s show it lag, and the Olympus is a AT&T phone, so if you hate that network you’re screwed on that front.
Plus remember both with be nowhere as hackable as the Nexus S, which will see huge dev support just as the N1 before it. You’ll be lucky if these tegra phones get any decent root access. Motorola loves the efuse concept. It’s crackable but it will never have the simplicity of the Nexus S.
And lastly, who doesn’t want the phone that developers are developing their stuff on? The Nexus S is THE benchmark for all future android phone applications. You’re guaranteed that apps will run as the developer intended on the Nexus S over any other phone in the Android ecosystem.
Embrace this phone and give it a damn chance. Google deserves that much.
Amen to that ^^^^ . For a moment I thought I was the only one getting a Nexus S.
I agree in spirit. I'm just salty about the lack of any notification LED and dock contact points. I want a device with polish... the N1's docking and notifications are still unrivaled, but they could at least have put those into their device.
I'll still probably get the phone and hope that some nice docks are in the pipeline so I can sell my N1 and the docks.
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I'm been really annoyed with all the hate being spewed about the Nexus S over the last several days. I've been meaning to post why I think most of the hate is seriously misinformed or not fully thought out, but I came across this post on Android and Me and it sums up almost exactly how I feel.
Credit to jivemaster and Android and Me:
I am first in line for a Nexus S. I’m not sure what people are waiting for. This is Google’s phone for the next 11-12 months like the N1 was. Great support, great features. It uses the top tier hardware available to date. Best screen in the industry, best CPU, best GPU in a phone. Sure it’s no dual-core, but that disappointment is purely a consequence of the stupid rumours that have plagued this device since its conception.
This will be what the Galaxy S should have been. Great hardware fully controlled by Google.
For heavens sake, the SGX540 is a truly epic GPU, and vastly more powerful than the 535 found in the iphone and ipad. Apple’s devices run great games, and the Nexus S trumps both devices with its power. Sure we’ve seen it before in the Galaxy S, but the Galaxy S is a pure Samsung phone, crippled by it’s unoptimised OS, practically no support is given to it, the poor thing is still waiting for froyo in most of America. Because of this, we have not seen the true power of the hummingbird. That is until now. And it will be glorious.
The Nexus S is not last gen. It’s current gen. It just missed the dual-core boat. And people are fixated on it.
This very website said it was hard to believe that the Nexus S could be released with a dual-core, but plenty of other websites/blogs went nuts reporting the release setback was due to a dual-core upgrade. Everyone got set on the rumours and when this was released there was nothing but disappointment.
People are too busy thinking what the Nexus S could have been.
It’s silly really. Dual core is not ready. Dual core is not supported in any android revision to date, honeycomb may change this, but I highly doubt the upcoming tegra phones will sport honeycomb on release, or anytime soon after release. That’s being delusional. Manufacturers have taken so long to release these tegra phones, and these manufacturers are catastrophically slow with updates. I’ll be surprised frankly if they ship with gingerbread.
Good luck getting your updates on these tegra phones in a timely manner.
Tegra is unbelievably powerful, no question, but in the hands of device manufacturers I think performance will vary greatly – device manufacturers tend to throw in great hardware and then cripple it with absolutely shocking OS revisions and software optimisation.
You’re guaranteed a lot of great optimisation with the Nexus S, but not with other products.
You really only have the LG Star and Motorola Olympus to choose from if you want tegra, and they were running froyo when we last saw them. The LG Star just looks horrible as far as build quality is concerned and video demo’s show it lag, and the Olympus is a AT&T phone, so if you hate that network you’re screwed on that front.
Plus remember both with be nowhere as hackable as the Nexus S, which will see huge dev support just as the N1 before it. You’ll be lucky if these tegra phones get any decent root access. Motorola loves the efuse concept. It’s crackable but it will never have the simplicity of the Nexus S.
And lastly, who doesn’t want the phone that developers are developing their stuff on? The Nexus S is THE benchmark for all future android phone applications. You’re guaranteed that apps will run as the developer intended on the Nexus S over any other phone in the Android ecosystem.
Embrace this phone and give it a damn chance. Google deserves that much.
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+1
I remember how pissed everyone was when Google closed the web store thinking they caved into the carriers demands and there would never be a pure android phone again.
So now that Google actually comes out with an even better phone everyone wants to complain? I could care less if its a dual core or doesn't have an SD card or wasn't as game changing as the Nexus One.
All I care about is the concept:
- Google phone with pure android
- Better specs than Nexus One
- Can be used w/ t-zones
People complaining it wasn't a game changer need to be happy there at least is an option now in case our Nexus One is lost. I know I sure am
You sure it's going to be the benchmark for the entire next year?
Sure it'll be the benchmark for next 6 months i'd say but heck, neither LG Star nor Motorola Olympus is ready yet and why they were running 2.2? Because they were made before Gingerbread was even ready for the Nexus S. They were built from scratch not from an existing product. My opinion, I love my Nexus One. It was the true innovation the time it came out. Who had AMOLED screen and snapdragon processor on one phone back in June? except for HD2, nobody really did. It set the benchmark for every android device to beat until now. I'm not saying the Nexus S don't deserve the Nexus name or anything. It's just isn't worth the $529 for what it's lacking. not the dual core processor either.
There is a Nexus S forum now
The Nexus S is a fine phone. As a developer, I'll probably get one in the next six months or so. But I am annoyed by the lack of a microSD slot and LED notifications. I have a 32GB microSD in my N1 right now and have it nearly filled with music. I also have come to depend on being able to glance across the room and see my N1's trackball flashing brightly in a color that tells me just what kind of communication my phone received.
So I'm not at all a hater of the NS, but I am sad that it drops some really nifty features.
Amen.
I shall be getting this phone within the next 3-4 months even after my disappointment with the lack of an SD card slot, LED, and trackball.
Ita a beautiful powerful phone.
But again I cant see why anyone would "love" it coming from N1.
Id consider it but only because Tmo seems to get cute phones instead of the big screen full featured Evos/Droid Xs of the android world.
The decision making behind the phone is just odd. People are calling it out justifiably. If this was anything but "the next google phone" its be another blip on the radar.
I'm not feeling it because there's no Micro SD card support, no LED notifications, and that crappy-feeling build quality. I HATE the Galaxy S line of phones because they feel cheap. I love how my N1 is made of real metal, and feels solid and has some heft to it.
Now, would I love a Nexus S? Sure. Would I want to dish out $529 for one to replace my awesome N1? No way in hell.
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You sure it's going to be the benchmark for the entire next year?
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LOL
wang1404 said:
Sure it'll be the benchmark for next 6 months i'd say
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You're being generous, IMO.
wang1404 said:
but heck, neither LG Star nor Motorola Olympus is ready yet and why they were running 2.2? Because they were made before Gingerbread was even ready for the Nexus S. They were built from scratch not from an existing product.
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Spot on, Wang.
wang1404 said:
My opinion, I love my Nexus One. It was the true innovation the time it came out. Who had AMOLED screen and snapdragon processor on one phone back in June? except for HD2, nobody really did. It set the benchmark for every android device to beat until now.
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Agreed.
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I'm not saying the Nexus S don't deserve the Nexus name or anything.
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Fine, I'll say it. The S isn't today's version of the 1, and shouldn't have received a Nexus name.
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It's just isn't worth the $529 for what it's lacking. not the dual core processor either.
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The S has some advantages over the 1. Let's all just admit that now. Wang and I are in agreement here over this point: Those advantages, to us, are minor and are not worth ditching the N1. Wang and I will be waiting to see what drops in Q1, early Q2 at the latest.
The S isn't anywhere near the "superphone" that the 1 was when it dropped. Nice? Sure. Decent specs? Sure. The N1 raised the bar SUBSTANTIALLY. The S only raises it incrementally.
My .02.
highvista said:
I also have come to depend on being able to glance across the room and see my N1's trackball flashing brightly in a color that tells me just what kind of communication my phone received.
So I'm not at all a hater of the NS, but I am sad that it drops some really nifty features.
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1. AMEN...I just dont think alot of people understand just how invaluable this is. Its ridiculously easy to prioritize messages and hands down the easiest way to get notified. Plus for those that are hearing impaired its the only way to get differentiated notifications ((since obviously they cant do ring tones)). Evo/DroidX/MT4G/G2...do any of these phones have it ?
2. Thats all it is in a nutshell. You take the N2 give it hummingbird ,4" SAMOLED, the new form factor ,FF camera ,GB ,NFC we'd all be standing online for it.
But you add only a few things but take away some very important features to many ??
Three steps forward two steps back isnt a good way to make a mark.
The Nexus S will get love, it deserves love, but won't be getting any from me (that does NOT mean I'm a hater, just that I won't be getting one).
* As Schmidtty said, the N1 was meant to push the hardware platform, by using ahead-of-its'-time specs and it did. The Nexus S has nice specs to be sure, but it isn't running way ahead of the pack challenging others to catch-up like the N1 did. The Nexus S is the next "step", the N1 was a big "leap".
* No microSD slot?
* Funky SD/Internal/External partitioning?
Anyway, I'll be keeping my N1 until Uncle Schmidtty comes out with the Nexus Whatever that's got multi-cores, monster GPU, a 5" screen with zillion-point multi-touch and "retina" destroying image density and 16gb /system and microSD slot for whatever I want.
I think it's logical to omit the trackpad, HTC used to say that they still have it on phones to make it easy to navigate and select text. If they already solved that ( as Google says) with the Gingerbread easy text selection and editing then the only reason to have the trackpad is to wake up the phone, at least this is the way I use it.
The loss of trackball notifications has 0 effect.
Check out backlight notifications for the Galaxy S phones.
Works just the same.
Paul22000 said:
The loss of trackball notifications has 0 effect.
Check out backlight notifications for the Galaxy S phones.
Works just the same.
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Hey Paul since your one of the guys on Xda whose opinion I respect alot, what are your thoughts on the Nexus S? Do you plan on getting one?
Namuna said:
The Nexus S will get love, it deserves love, but won't be getting any from me (that does NOT mean I'm a hater, just that I won't be getting one).
* As Schmidtty said, the N1 was meant to push the hardware platform, by using ahead-of-its'-time specs and it did. The Nexus S has nice specs to be sure, but it isn't running way ahead of the pack challenging others to catch-up like the N1 did. The Nexus S is the next "step", the N1 was a big "leap".
* No microSD slot?
* Funky SD/Internal/External partitioning?
Anyway, I'll be keeping my N1 until Uncle Schmidtty comes out with the Nexus Whatever that's got multi-cores, monster GPU, a 5" screen with zillion-point multi-touch and "retina" destroying image density and 16gb /system and microSD slot for whatever I want.
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push hardware platform ahead of its time???? if i am not mistaken, at the time of its release, the nexus one was the third phone released with the snapdragon. first one being toshiba g01 and then the hd2. like 2 months later , the n1 came out. so i dont think this was a revolutionary step.
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push hardware platform ahead of its time???? if i am not mistaken, at the time of its release, the nexus one was the third phone released with the snapdragon. first one being toshiba g01 and then the hd2. like 2 months later , the n1 came out. so i dont think this was a revolutionary step.
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I know he didn't mean it, but he should've said Android phones. I don't believe any Android phones were out with the Snapdragon at the time of the N1's release. I also don't believe there were any phones (Android phones) with AMOLED screens at the time.
The NS has it's contour display, NFC, and Google's support behind it.
But it isn't amazing. It doesn't blow anything out the water. Not much to "oooo, ahhh" about..
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I know he didn't mean it, but he should've said Android phones. I don't believe any Android phones were out with the Snapdragon at the time of the N1's release. I also don't believe there were any phones (Android phones) with AMOLED screens at the time.
The NS has it's contour display, NFC, and Google's support behind it.
But it isn't amazing. It doesn't blow anything out the water. Not much to "oooo, ahhh" about..
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The only innovative thing n1 came with at that time was the amoled screen. you're right.
About android phones, the first snapdragon on android was by the Liquid a1.
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The only innovative thing n1 came with at that time was the amoled screen. you're right.
About android phones, the first snapdragon on android was by the Liquid a1.
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Can't believe I didn't hear of the Liquid at the time, it doesn't even seem anyone even compared the Nexus to the Liquid..
Does anyone thing this is the route that Google will takes? I mean, people complain about the build quality of the Nexus S being all plastic but, I mean it makes sense. Maybe google was like "We dont want to make a Nexus Two, lets make a Nexus with a different theme, different company" hence why the picked Samsung. Or maybe they just wanted something that would be cheap to mass produce and easy to sell. It would be cool to see a Nexus X a year from now, using the same build material as the Droid X, you know, that soft rubber paint stuff they use on their phones along with some physical buttons, I'm just saying, maybe Google is pimping out their Nexus to whoever can cough up enough dough.. just sayin' lol.
I would hope the nexus line is reserved for the best there is to offer on the market. When the n1 came out it had top tier stuff like the 1ghz snapdragon processor in it. Fast forward to the ns and you have the hummingbird processor and the samoled screen. Personally it doesn't get better than that at this point. The way I see it is I don't care who makes the phone as long as it has the top notch hardware available to go along with those immediate Google updates.
I'm a nexus s and I approve this message
fosdos4790 said:
The way I see it is I don't care who makes the phone as long as it has the top notch hardware available to go along with those immediate Google updates.
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I keep wondering about that, since the Nexus One update isn't so immediate, are the Nexus S updates NOT going to be immediate in the same way, when the Nexus (next) will be released? That would suck if Google did it again.
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I keep wondering about that, since the Nexus One update isn't so immediate, are the Nexus S updates NOT going to be immediate in the same way, when the Nexus (next) will be released? That would suck if Google did it again.
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This update-delay for a Nexus (in this case the Nexus One) will just be once: at the time another Nexus is released. After then, they will get the updates at the same time (more or less). Why do I think this? The Nexus S isn't even released yet in a lot of countries, and since it is the 'first device with Gingerbread', it would be strange if the Nexus One had Gingerbread 3 months before the Nexus S in most countries. Also, I think they released Gingerbread on the Nexus S, before it was ready for other devices. I hope I can explain this to you with my bad english: If you buy a Nexus the day it comes out, you don't get the latest software; you get the software before it is even out. The updates that will be released after that, will come to your Nexus at the time it is released, not before.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say
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This update-delay for a Nexus (in this case the Nexus One) will just be once: at the time another Nexus is released. After then, they will get the updates at the same time (more or less). Why do I think this? The Nexus S isn't even released yet in a lot of countries, and since it is the 'first device with Gingerbread', it would be strange if the Nexus One had Gingerbread 3 months before the Nexus S in most countries. Also, I think they released Gingerbread on the Nexus S, before it was ready for other devices. I hope I can explain this to you with my bad english: If you buy a Nexus the day it comes out, you don't get the latest software; you get the software before it is even out. The updates that will be released after that, will come to your Nexus at the time it is released, not before.
I hope you understand what I'm trying to say
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I do. And I think it makes perfect sense
It was pretty clear to me that using "S" (presumably for Samsung) instead of "2" meant that Google was leaving the door open for other "Nexus" phones from other companies. I was more along the lines of a Nexus "M" (Motorola), etc, but the S could be for S as in Galaxy "S", in which case your "X" and others make more sense.
The question becomes what would the next Nexus phone from Samsung be, the Nexus S2...?
I think that Nexus will just mean it's a Google sanctioned phone, that runs pure Google Android (no add-ons like Motoblur or TouchWiz or Sense), and is sold UNLOCKED. Note that I did not say they will be a "developer" phone...
Thinking of a "Nexus A" ;-)
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Thinking of a "Nexus A" ;-)
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ROFL!
You might just burn in hell for that one...
I think the next Nexus wont be a phone, it will be a tablet. It makes sense: Google is focusing on tablets now, with 3.0 and all. What I think that they will release another Nexus phone in 2 years, and next year there will be a Nexus Tab or something.
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I think the next Nexus wont be a phone, it will be a tablet. It makes sense: Google is focusing on tablets now, with 3.0 and all. What I think that they will release another Nexus phone in 2 years, and next year there will be a Nexus Tab or something.
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I think that would piss a lot of people off especially the guys on here that switch devices once every year. I can see them releasing a "nexus tab" but not without a new nexus phone to go along with it. But who knows, I'd say nobody on here ever thought they'd go with Samsung to make the next generation nexus. It wouldn't surprise me if they released a top secret tab with dual core when honeycomb is released. Anythings possible that's for sure lol.
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But who knows, I'd say nobody on here ever thought they'd go with Samsung to make the next generation nexus.
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I dunno about "nobody", I never thought they "wouldn't" either, but frankly I didn't think about it all. When Google said "no Nexus 2" I took them at face value and figured no Nexus from any manufacturer.
If the rumors pan out, I would personally love to see a "Nexus N" from Nokia (maintaining the N moniker from the Nseries devices). Having Nokia's top notch hardware and incredible camera optics coupled with Android would perhaps be the perfect device.
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I think that would piss a lot of people off especially the guys on here that switch devices once every year. I can see them releasing a "nexus tab" but not without a new nexus phone to go along with it. But who knows, I'd say nobody on here ever thought they'd go with Samsung to make the next generation nexus. It wouldn't surprise me if they released a top secret tab with dual core when honeycomb is released. Anythings possible that's for sure lol.
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Nobody? I was drooling in excitement at the idea of a Samsung / Google developed Galaxy S / Nexus One combo.
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Nobody? I was drooling in excitement at the idea of a Samsung / Google developed Galaxy S / Nexus One combo.
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Some people are just anti-Samsung and have blinders on about them. They certainly have software update issues, but in my opinion the SAMOLED screens can't be beat by any other display out there, and the rest of the hardware on the SGS series of phones, except for the plastic case, is as good as or better than anything else available.
I also was very excited at an improved i9000-like phone with Google's blessing. If only I'd remembered how much I hate T-Mobile's service in Los Angeles...I'd have probably passed on the Nexus S.
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Nobody? I was drooling in excitement at the idea of a Samsung / Google developed Galaxy S / Nexus One combo.
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ok so maybe a little over exaggeration on my part but my point was who knows who itl be or if theyl change makers or even if theyl build a new one at all. this phone is the best available, it wasnt a knock at samsung in the least, i had a captivate before the ns and loved it.
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ROFL!
You might just burn in hell for that one...
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Thinking of a "Nexus A" ;-)
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LOL
wouldn't that be a "Nexus i" ?
AllGamer said:
LOL
wouldn't that be a "Nexus i" ?
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The iNexus - This changes everything. To a different OS.
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Some people are just anti-Samsung and have blinders on about them. They certainly have software update issues, but in my opinion the SAMOLED screens can't be beat by any other display out there, and the rest of the hardware on the SGS series of phones, except for the plastic case, is as good as or better than anything else available.
I also was very excited at an improved i9000-like phone with Google's blessing. If only I'd remembered how much I hate T-Mobile's service in Los Angeles...I'd have probably passed on the Nexus S.
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I defended Samsung for a long time, but I've had enough problems with Samsung to prefer never to buy their stuff again if I don't have to. Both me and my girlfriend are on our 3rd Nexus S's since launch and neither of us are crazy about the build materials. The cheap piano black plastic they use has been consistent with all of their phones I've used since the i8910 and what's said about delayed software updates is true across the board. It took forever to get updates for the i8910 and everyone knows about the Galaxy S updates. If it weren't for the SAMOLED and Google handling the updates, I wouldn't have bothered with the Nexus S at all.
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I think the next Nexus wont be a phone, it will be a tablet. It makes sense: Google is focusing on tablets now, with 3.0 and all. What I think that they will release another Nexus phone in 2 years, and next year there will be a Nexus Tab or something.
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The motorola xoom is essentially the nexus tablet. Software made by google, it's the first to be released with it (honeycomb), and it's the reference device the software has been made on. Considering history dictates the device running the newest software is an official google device, I'll be getting the xoom.
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I defended Samsung for a long time, but I've had enough problems with Samsung to prefer never to buy their stuff again if I don't have to. Both me and my girlfriend are on our 3rd Nexus S's since launch and neither of us are crazy about the build materials. The cheap piano black plastic they use has been consistent with all of their phones I've used since the i8910 and what's said about delayed software updates is true across the board. It took forever to get updates for the i8910 and everyone knows about the Galaxy S updates. If it weren't for the SAMOLED and Google handling the updates, I wouldn't have bothered with the Nexus S at all.
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I have used cheap plastic phones before and nexus s certainly is not cheap - far from it. It feels as good as plastic can feel, I have never held a better plastic based phone. I don't understand peoples complaints with it. The only bad thing is it's a finger print magnet. But I use a case with all my phones so it's no biggy.
Ok i have complete proof that samsung will not build the next nexus device after the galaxy nexus.... it will be motorola but not for the reason you think...
OK these are the makes of the google phones from google...
HTC: G1
Nexus
Samsung: Nexus S/4g
Galaxy Nexus
notice something? thats right each company only makes 2 devices and google moves on...
now we know that google bought moto for the patents? or did they? I have heard claims google may close source android and have offical android devices from moto only... see this: http://www.neowin.net/news/rumor-google-to-use-motorola-merger-to-launch-its-own-phones
so i think that this can be good news... end of all these crappy low end android devices with no memory... an android phones needs atleast 300mb free storage when we purchase a low end phone and even the prevail by samsung only has about 150mb free or so... what a shame...
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Ok i have complete proof that samsung will not build the next nexus device after the galaxy nexus.... it will be motorola but not for the reason you think...
OK these are the makes of the google phones from google...
HTC: G1
Nexus
Samsung: Nexus S/4g
Galaxy Nexus
notice something? thats right each company only makes 2 devices and google moves on...
now we know that google bought moto for the patents? or did they? I have heard claims google may close source android and have offical android devices from moto only... see this: http://www.neowin.net/news/rumor-google-to-use-motorola-merger-to-launch-its-own-phones
so i think that this can be good news... end of all these crappy low end android devices with no memory... an android phones needs atleast 300mb free storage when we purchase a low end phone and even the prevail by samsung only has about 150mb free or so... what a shame...
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while your arguments are valid, you do not have any proof.
It makes no sense. The Google's goal is to reach more people with advertising and by closing Android's source it would limit their target. The current system, tho it's not perfect for updates, it's the most profitable for Google.
I don't say that the next Nexus phone won't be manufactured by Motorola, but i srsly doubt that Google will close the doors to the other OEM's. Point being, Goggle will keep Android open sourced and will use Motorola for their patents. Using Moto to build Google experience phones is just an added bonus.
This has to be the most ridiculously illogical post I have seen on these forums. Google choose HTC initially because it was the big player in android, then they choose samsung when it had become the biggest player.
They might choose some other OEM this time but it has nothing to do with the series of 2 phones. You talk as if nexus phones have been made for decades with new OEM being chosen every 2 years lol.
Your data sets are too small for you to say that it's proof. What you have is that HTC made 2 Google phones and then Samsung made 2 google phones.
but wait.
The HTC G2 was a pure google phone, that puts HTC at 3 Google phones. The original motorola Droid was a google phone, that puts them in the mix with one. In terms of pure Nexus devices, it's HTC 1, and Samsung 2. In terms of pure Google experience, HTC has at least 3, Motorola has at least 1 and Samsung has at least 2. That's also assuming I'm forgetting a device or two, which I probably am.
Therefore, there is no pattern and the next Nexus will likely remain in Samsung's corner since it's based on who bids the most and not on "who's made what". Samsung will likely outbid everyone this year and it will like be the samsung galaxy nexus s or something absurd. I'd rather have a Moto Nexus personally (hey why not, give them a swing at it) and have it not be a Verizon exclusive, but that's a pipe dream.
and lets not forget about the google ion, that was a google developers phone made by htc http://www.engadget.com/2009/05/27/google-ion-hands-on-and-unboxing/
Lol. This makes no sense.
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Lol. This makes no sense.
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Youre right, HTC makes Sense
Companies send contestant devices in and Google picks the winner. Nothing more.
Motorola almost won last year.
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Your data sets are too small for you to say that it's proof. What you have is that HTC made 2 Google phones and then Samsung made 2 google phones.
but wait.
The HTC G2 was a pure google phone, that puts HTC at 3 Google phones. The original motorola Droid was a google phone, that puts them in the mix with one. In terms of pure Nexus devices, it's HTC 1, and Samsung 2. In terms of pure Google experience, HTC has at least 3, Motorola has at least 1 and Samsung has at least 2. That's also assuming I'm forgetting a device or two, which I probably am.
Therefore, there is no pattern and the next Nexus will likely remain in Samsung's corner since it's based on who bids the most and not on "who's made what". Samsung will likely outbid everyone this year and it will like be the samsung galaxy nexus s or something absurd. I'd rather have a Moto Nexus personally (hey why not, give them a swing at it) and have it not be a Verizon exclusive, but that's a pipe dream.
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the orginal htc g1 was the very first android phone thus a developers phone and then htc did the nexus one.... then samsung has done two so now its time for someone else to make it... moto since google owns them they keep it in house.. and close sourcing it has made apple a ton of money and i dont have any adds on my programs as i only purchase apps that have no adds and only install free apps without adds... so google is not really making any money off of me on the adds. i use my laptop for that sort of thing... i use my phone for news and some games from gameloft that are paid. also most cellphone operating systems last about ten years and android is about 5 years old so i think its about time google thinks about that look at palm os then look at rim... what does that tell you at the 10 year or so mark they go down for the count... apple will too so will android... so what is next?
Google has already said they don't choose how many each company will make. Each company submits a phone for evaluation as the next Nexus and they decide which it'll be. Therefore, the next Nexus could be from Samsung again, Asus, HTC, Acer, Huawei, Motorola, or really any other manufacturer quite honestly. At the end of the day, I'd be quite surprised if it was anyone but the Big 3 (Sammy, HTC, and Motorola) or Asus since all 4 make the better, higher end phones. I COULD also see LG being a viable candidate, but their offerings so far have, to me, been lackluster and, whilst Sammy doesn't have Moto-quality builds of aluminium and such, LG seems even lower than Sammy build quality-wise.
Build quality- Moto>HTC>Asus>Sammy>LG
Screen quality- Sammy>HTC>LG>Asus>Moto
Internals- Sammy (more cutting edge, Exynos), Asus (Tegra 3), and HTC (also Tegra 3 and Snapdragon S4) all win here.
HTC also made the ION developer phone, the G2 was also a Google stock phone, etc, so there goes your 2 phones theory. And i explained you already why making Android Closed Source would be a bad move to Google.
Just because you don't see adds in your phone doesn't mean the other thousands of people do the same. Google is getting their money from advertising, so they need the biggest audience target as possible. And where did you get the theory about the 10 years SO?
Symbian for example was first released in 2001 and still sells like hotcakes on dumbphones. Windows Mobile was first released also around 2000 and just recently got discontinued due to windows phone 7 (granted it wasn't selling). iOS will probably suffer a UI change but it still will make a strong competitor for the next years and Android has so much space to improve and is in so many markets besides smartphones, that it won't go away anytime soon.
What's next just depends on the best technology offers at the best price.
Maybe nexus phones are more of a Google showing the manufacturer how make android phones. Also I believe they could never close source of android and license it. Pretty sure Microsoft got fined for having free services and once competition died off they started charging for it
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the orginal htc g1 was the very first android phone thus a developers phone and then htc did the nexus one.... then samsung has done two so now its time for someone else to make it... moto since google owns them they keep it in house.. and close sourcing it has made apple a ton of money and i dont have any adds on my programs as i only purchase apps that have no adds and only install free apps without adds... so google is not really making any money off of me on the adds. i use my laptop for that sort of thing... i use my phone for news and some games from gameloft that are paid. also most cellphone operating systems last about ten years and android is about 5 years old so i think its about time google thinks about that look at palm os then look at rim... what does that tell you at the 10 year or so mark they go down for the count... apple will too so will android... so what is next?
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Android is 9 years old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)
Read under "foundation".
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Maybe nexus phones are more of a Google showing the manufacturer how make android phones. Also I believe they could never close source of android and license it. Pretty sure Microsoft got fined for having free services and once competition died off they started charging for it
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Nexus line are the guideline for each OS.
Nexus One - 2.1/2.2
Nexus S - 2.3
Galaxy Nexus - ICS
i predict the next gen nexus specs: everyone please save/bookmark this post.
1.5GHz quad core processor OR 2GHz Exynos 5250 processor
2GB RAM
4.65" 720p HD Super AMOLED+ OR HD YOUM Display
Android 5.0 Jellybean
7 - 7.9mm thin
2000 - 2500mAh battery
120-130g
announcing in january 2013!
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Android is 9 years old http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)
Read under "foundation".
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your link is dead... and android according to wiki is from 2005... and notice no one had google android before 2008 when the first android device ever was sold the htc g1 aka the dream which was a developers phone because well it was the only android phone for a while... so no other phone was their until after the g1 was launched.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_(operating_system)
so again android is poised to be in the decline soon.. right now is its peak years and soon it will decline... look at how long gb took to overcome fryo...
Samsung is the best!!. No competition possible!! Motorola is crap! (No offense)
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Sorry but where in your ass are you pulling all this "proof" out of? Lol not to be mean or anything....
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Samsung is the best!!. No competition possible!! Motorola is crap! (No offense)
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just because someone sells the most does not mean they are the best. it could be that samsung has carriers that offer their phones dirt cheap like the prevail on boost mobile... also look at general motors company... alot of crap products but they do outsell all the others... but does that mean they are they best.. no they offer a ton of rebates and low prices.... samsung does have some great phones like the galaxy s line but only a few.
The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that, in the Google Experience Device world, the Nexus 7 isn't really the Xoom successor that everyone thought it was going to be.
I first started tossing this idea around when I saw that the Nexus 7 runs a hybrid phone/tablet UI that more resembles phone mode than tablet mode. Add to this the fact that the Xoom is still the only Google Experience Device that showcases Android in full tablet mode, plus the fact that there appears to be no plan for a 10" Nexus 7, and I'm willing to put down money that in 6-8 months, we'll see Google partnering with an OEM to bring a new 10" GED tablet to the market. I would guess that it would be paired with Android 5.0. That would be the real successor to the Xoom. And why replace the Xoom now anyway? Tablets have a longer technological shelf life than smart phones do and, with the price drops, the Xoom still holds its own with tablets twice its price.
Am I way off here? What do you guys think?
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100% agree....
but in that time i may seriously be considering a windows 8 tablet... a pro that can still have the ability to dual boot android (if the x86 project has more legs by then)
if not i will 90% buy another GED android tablet however it is possible the next release after jelly a new nexus may be the headline act
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The more I think about this, the more I'm convinced that, in the Google Experience Device world, the Nexus 7 isn't really the Xoom successor that everyone thought it was going to be.
I first started tossing this idea around when I saw that the Nexus 7 runs a hybrid phone/tablet UI that more resembles phone mode than tablet mode. Add to this the fact that the Xoom is still the only Google Experience Device that showcases Android in full tablet mode, plus the fact that there appears to be no plan for a 10" Nexus 7, and I'm willing to put down money that in 6-8 months, we'll see Google partnering with an OEM to bring a new 10" GED tablet to the market. I would guess that it would be paired with Android 5.0. That would be the real successor to the Xoom. And why replace the Xoom now anyway? Tablets have a longer technological shelf life than smart phones do and, with the price drops, the Xoom still holds its own with tablets twice its price.
Am I way off here? What do you guys think?
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Yeah, the nexus 7 sounds fun but I've got a great phone and my Xoom hasn't even started showing its age--technologically speaking. Though I'm tempted to get a new toy, I think for now I'll skip the nexus 7, although a 7 inch tab is a very nice size to hold. Good for game playing.
Well rumor has it the next nexus tablet will be a 10"
https://www.google.com/producer/edi...oFCAowgG8w0AswwSw/rumor_nexus_10_in_the_works
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I agree with OP.
The thing about the newer processors is that only a small 1% of applications take advantage of them. Other than a few games, supports more video codecs, there isn't much more practical usage over tegra 2. There isn't much practical reasons WHY I should. It won't give me many features that the xoom can't do outside of NFC/IPS screen/few select games. I will wait until a 10.1 inch tablet is at the $200 price range later this year before I even bother considering an upgrade. Tegra 2 > Tegra 2 is like going to i5 to an i7 on a windows computer. You won't see a huge noticeable difference from day to day use until you try to run a game/encode a video/run a file server/have 20 open programs that shows it grunt.
I think that Motorola will be the one to make the 10" nexus, the 7" was a warning shot towards amazon the real deal will come later, Any item that come from Motorola with a Google sticker is a keeper, call me bias, I have nothing against Samsung ,HTC, LG or any other Korean company.I just cannot choose them over Motorola after all they invented the phone and they are a home grown company, my wish is for Google to go after T-Mobile and watch at&t, vz and sprint costumers jump ship ...
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I think that Motorola will be the one to make the 10" nexus, the 7" was a warning shot towards amazon the real deal will come later, Any item that come from Motorola with a Google sticker is a keeper, call me bias, I have nothing against Samsung ,HTC, LG or any other Korean company.I just cannot choose them over Motorola after all they invented the phone and they are a home grown company, my wish is for Google to go after T-Mobile and watch at&t, vz and sprint costumers jump ship ...
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Motorola is good in the USA, but it has a very bad reputation in Europe because they NEVER update their phones.
Thankfully european Xoom has the same exact hardware of american Xoom so we can use the same ROMs.
A Motorola Nexus will be ok only if they remove the difference between America and rest of the world
OP thinks what I think.
I too saw the phone mode, and thought
Ghost-of-the-Sun said:
Motorola is good in the USA, but it has a very bad reputation in Europe because they NEVER update their phones.
Thankfully european Xoom has the same exact hardware of american Xoom so we can use the same ROMs.
A Motorola Nexus will be ok only if they remove the difference between America and rest of the world
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Well you have to remember that Google is also an American company.. So it's only legally easy for them to give us stuff first. You guys governments in Europe and Asia sucks Donkey balls with all those regulations about hardware and software. That's why you guys get late updates and get left out when Google products launch.
So your blame for these delays is blindly misguided my brother. Motorola and Google are not the blame.
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I think down the line there will be a Nexus 10 released to compete against the iPad. The Xoom does still seem to be a very good device. Google has to still develop with the Xoom that's why it continues to be updated right along with all the latest Android software. Google knows Androids time is now and they are slowly and methodically pushing Android OS with new innovations and will ultimately push Apple off the top for good.
I am definitely glad I bought the Xoom - the announcement that we'll officially get 4.1 surprised me.
Responding to the OP, no I would not think a 7" Nexus succeeds a 10" Xoom!
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I am definitely glad I bought the Xoom - the announcement that we'll officially get 4.1 surprised me.
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And me also - quite a nice surprise.
The Nexus 7 definitely feels like a portal for Google content, not the next leap forward in tablet computing. For my use case, I'll be flashing a Jelly Bean ROM and be just fine.
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Well you have to remember that Google is also an American company.. So it's only legally easy for them to give us stuff first. You guys governments in Europe and Asia sucks Donkey balls with all those regulations about hardware and software. That's why you guys get late updates and get left out when Google products launch.
So your blame for these delays is blindly misguided my brother. Motorola and Google are not the blame.
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You're telling me that Samsung, HTC, Sony and Google itself with Nexus devices have magical powers that gives them the ability to update their devices while the little Motorola can't do anything?
Think before posting, please.
My next tab will either be a >10" GED with a full usb port, screen upgrade and a really good processor or I'll go back to using a laptop. I really see no value in a smaller tab. My phone has a 5" display, why would I buy a 7" tab? A whole other device to pay for, update, and tweak for a rather minor screen jump. Maybe I could use a Bluetooth for talking and keep it in my pocket, but it wouldn't fit comfortably in the clothes I wear to work unless cargo khaki's become business casual.
Please continue your discussion in the newly created sticky thread:
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