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[Q] Reconsidering the Xoom, but would like some input.

First of all, this isn't a "why I don't like the Xoom" post. Actually, there is a lot that I do really like about the Xoom, and I'm optimistic that once Flash, 4G, and a few more Honeycomb-optimized apps come to the device, it will be a very capable device.
The reason I'm posting here is that I purchased the Xoom online from Verizon when it first came out, but there were a few things that bothered me enough about it that I returned it after about a week to make sure that I didn't land outside the return window. I have however, been considering buying another one, this time directly from the Verizon store so I can spend a little more time with it to determine if I like it enough to justify the $800 expenditure. So, I wanted to post my major nits with the product here to see if others have found them to be not as much of an issue or had found workarounds that solve some of these problems. I know there have been other posts about many of these problems, but I was hoping to get some fresh perspective now that the device has been out and in people's hands for a little longer.
Here's what is keeping me from going out and buying another Xoom right now.
1. I didn't like the display. On auto-brightness, it seemed like it was always too dark, and even the maximum manual brightness setting it still wasn't bright enough to overcome the glare that the screen attracted when I was sitting by a window or near a lamp. I felt like I was always struggling to see what was on the screen, even when indoors. Has anyone had luck solving this with, for example, an anti-glare screen protector? Or was this something that you adjusted to and found to be less of an issue over time?
2. The portfolio case, though serviceable, was unattractive and clunky, but I didn't like the lack of screen protection on the gel case. Is the gel case maybe worth another look, or are there any third party cases in the works that look promising?
3. It can't charge via USB, and the power adapter is a little larger than something I would like to have tucked in my bag all the time. How do you keep your Xoom charged on the go? Do you find that the advantage of being able to charge the Xoom quickly makes up for the fact that it can't be charged by a universal mini-usb?
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this. It turned out a little longer than I had originally intended. Looking forward to your feedback.

lazy_rider said:
First of all, this isn't a "why I don't like the Xoom" post. Actually, there is a lot that I do really like about the Xoom, and I'm optimistic that once Flash, 4G, and a few more Honeycomb-optimized apps come to the device, it will be a very capable device.
The reason I'm posting here is that I purchased the Xoom online from Verizon when it first came out, but there were a few things that bothered me enough about it that I returned it after about a week to make sure that I didn't land outside the return window. I have however, been considering buying another one, this time directly from the Verizon store so I can spend a little more time with it to determine if I like it enough to justify the $800 expenditure. So, I wanted to post my major nits with the product here to see if others have found them to be not as much of an issue or had found workarounds that solve some of these problems. I know there have been other posts about many of these problems, but I was hoping to get some fresh perspective now that the device has been out and in people's hands for a little longer.
Here's what is keeping me from going out and buying another Xoom right now.
1. I didn't like the display. On auto-brightness, it seemed like it was always too dark, and even the maximum manual brightness setting it still wasn't bright enough to overcome the glare that the screen attracted when I was sitting by a window or near a lamp. I felt like I was always struggling to see what was on the screen, even when indoors. Has anyone had luck solving this with, for example, an anti-glare screen protector? Or was this something that you adjusted to and found to be less of an issue over time?
2. The portfolio case, though serviceable, was unattractive and clunky, but I didn't like the lack of screen protection on the gel case. Is the gel case maybe worth another look, or are there any third party cases in the works that look promising?
3. It can't charge via USB, and the power adapter is a little larger than something I would like to have tucked in my bag all the time. How do you keep your Xoom charged on the go? Do you find that the advantage of being able to charge the Xoom quickly makes up for the fact that it can't be charged by a universal mini-usb?
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this. It turned out a little longer than I had originally intended. Looking forward to your feedback.
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1. I agree with the auto brightness. I turned this off and keep the brightness at 75%. I added Zagg invisibleshield and it has significantly reduced glare, fingerprints and smudges. I am happy.
2. I ordered this but it has not arrived yet: http://www.zoogue.com/shop/#xoom-zoogue-case-genius I am currently using the Moto gel case and it works for now.
3. I haven't had an issue with the charger. It charges very fast and the battery life is very good.

I love my xoom, though i don't see a lot of resolution for you on these issues.
1. I love the display, agreed it's hard to see in bright light (but this to me is normal).
2. I like the portfolio case and use it constantly.
3. For me the lack of usb chargning is fine, as the default charger charges so fast and my battary lasts me all day. I can charge from empty to full in less then two hours and get at least a good 12 hour day of off again on again usage.
Hope this helps.

same here.
i turned of auto brightness and the screen is great for me now.
haven't put a case on it (waiting for a good one to come out).
i left the shipping cover plastic on the screen until i decide on what screen protector i am going to use.
no usb charging was not a deal breaker for me as it has been noted before that the charge time is fast and the use time is high.

1. I use mine on a bus and outside and haven't really had a problem with brightness, the glare is a killer though. Inside, at night when using the kindle app, I'd like to turn down the brightness. I picked up the Steinheil screen protectors (matte) and it really cut down on the fingerprint smudges and glare. Yea, the screen isn't as crisp as without the protector, but the smudges ruined it anyway. I took auto brightness off but keep the display turned down.
2. I haven't seen any third party case even for the ipad that I really like. The portfolio from Motorola is the best I've seen so far and I'm really disappointed. It needs to have a typing position, maybe 20-30% incline.
3. I would have liked a mini usb charger. I'll probably get a second one but by charging it at night I have more than enough juice to get through a day.
Motorola had a $100 off coupon floating around and the wifi models are being released at the end of this month which should be less expensive.

keitht said:
1. I agree with the auto brightness. I turned this off and keep the brightness at 75%. I added Zagg invisibleshield and it has significantly reduced glare, fingerprints and smudges. I am happy.
2. I ordered this but it has not arrived yet: http://www.zoogue.com/shop/#xoom-zoogue-case-genius I am currently using the Moto gel case and it works for now.
3. I haven't had an issue with the charger. It charges very fast and the battery life is very good.
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I have a Zoogue iPad case and have used it for the past 8 months. It is amazing and has held up perfectly. It is an awesome case especially if you intend to watch a fair bit of videos with your tablet. Maybe not the prettiest case around, but it protects the hell out of the tablet and not only allows you any angle of incline, but also a very sturdy base so that it wont go tipping over if you tap the tablet too hard.

I agree with most people here.
1. Forget the auto brightness. It's useless.
2. I really want the zoogue case, let me know how it is. I'm ok with the portfolio case. It's definitely grown on me. I have two big issues with it though: lack of a 30-degree angle for tabletop use, but i've gotten used to the "low angle", and no charging while closed. someone in the accessories forum suggested punching a hole with a punch meant for making holes in a belt and it worked like a charm (hint: try asking your dry cleaner/alternation shop if you can use theirs, that way I didn't have to buy one). Looks like it almost was meant to be there.
3. I would have liked the 'option' of a mirco usb charger, but honestly, I use it every day at work unplug in the morning, use at home after dinner and plug in at night, and have never had an issue. I even went away for the weekend (sat morn to sunday night) and brought my charger, but i never charged it. I dont see it as an issue.

lazy_rider said:
First of all, this isn't a "why I don't like the Xoom" post. Actually, there is a lot that I do really like about the Xoom, and I'm optimistic that once Flash, 4G, and a few more Honeycomb-optimized apps come to the device, it will be a very capable device.
The reason I'm posting here is that I purchased the Xoom online from Verizon when it first came out, but there were a few things that bothered me enough about it that I returned it after about a week to make sure that I didn't land outside the return window. I have however, been considering buying another one, this time directly from the Verizon store so I can spend a little more time with it to determine if I like it enough to justify the $800 expenditure. So, I wanted to post my major nits with the product here to see if others have found them to be not as much of an issue or had found workarounds that solve some of these problems. I know there have been other posts about many of these problems, but I was hoping to get some fresh perspective now that the device has been out and in people's hands for a little longer.
Here's what is keeping me from going out and buying another Xoom right now.
1. I didn't like the display. On auto-brightness, it seemed like it was always too dark, and even the maximum manual brightness setting it still wasn't bright enough to overcome the glare that the screen attracted when I was sitting by a window or near a lamp. I felt like I was always struggling to see what was on the screen, even when indoors. Has anyone had luck solving this with, for example, an anti-glare screen protector? Or was this something that you adjusted to and found to be less of an issue over time?
2. The portfolio case, though serviceable, was unattractive and clunky, but I didn't like the lack of screen protection on the gel case. Is the gel case maybe worth another look, or are there any third party cases in the works that look promising?
3. It can't charge via USB, and the power adapter is a little larger than something I would like to have tucked in my bag all the time. How do you keep your Xoom charged on the go? Do you find that the advantage of being able to charge the Xoom quickly makes up for the fact that it can't be charged by a universal mini-usb?
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read this. It turned out a little longer than I had originally intended. Looking forward to your feedback.
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1 - I operate my device on auto brightness pretty much all the time, the only exception to this is when QuickPic fires up because it ramps it to 100%. I have found that in most normal operating environments I can see the screen perfectly. I am not outdoors with it very often but I know what you are talking about because it is difficult to see under direct or even semi direct sunlight.
2 - I'm going to buy a gel case right now, I already own the protective case. I want to try them both and figure that I'll use the Gel case around the house and the protective case out at work.
3 - There is a car charger, but I am unaware of a more compact Xoom charger.

Thanks to everyone who has commented so far. I'm leaning strongly towards giving the Xoom another shot, although I might wait until they start shipping with 4G, so I don't have to send it back to Moto for a week for the upgrade.

lazy_rider said:
1. I didn't like the display. Has anyone had luck solving this with, for example, an anti-glare screen protector? Or was this something that you adjusted to and found to be less of an issue over time?
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I'm still not over the display quality. This is one of the main factors why I'm weighing to sell the xoom and get another honeycomb tablet in the future.
lazy_rider said:
2. The portfolio case, though serviceable, was unattractive and clunky, but I didn't like the lack of screen protection on the gel case. Is the gel case maybe worth another look, or are there any third party cases in the works that look promising?
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Couldn't say as I've never used it before.
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3. It can't charge via USB, and the power adapter is a little larger than something I would like to have tucked in my bag all the time. How do you keep your Xoom charged on the go? Do you find that the advantage of being able to charge the Xoom quickly makes up for the fact that it can't be charged by a universal mini-usb?
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I found the xoom's ability to charge quickly makes up for the lack of usb charging. additionally, when in a car traveling long distances, i can hook up the charger to a power generator i bought for the car that easily hooks up to the lighter port.
I'm going to wait it out, and try and get the samsung tablet 10.1 coming out in about a month.

I too use auto brightness all the time, but maybe I live in a dark existence.
I use the gel case all the time, and no screen protector. When I take it with me, its in my protective net book sleeve in my backpack so I'm not really worried about the screen. If I start to hear complaints here about screen issues (other than the gym bag guy) I may seek better protection.
I don't find the charging to be an issue as the battery lasts a long time. I think the car charger (<$30) is a good idea if you are gonna be in the car for even 15 minutes or so. If you can hook up the standard dock someplace in your car you can charge it and play audio from itnto the aux port on your stereo if you have one...
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lazy_rider said:
Do you find that the advantage of being able to charge the Xoom quickly makes up for the fact that it can't be charged by a universal mini-usb?
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Very much so; it charges it so fast and the battery life is so good I just don't worry about it any more. I might get a car charger for the times I can't get home in time, once they get 2nd-sourced (to save money) but so far, so good.

I suffer under no delusions that a device like this will be viewable in direct lighting (including sunlight). I pretty much assumed going in that I'd still be using my classic Nook with e-ink for reading outside...

i bought one and I returned it because of the same issues. Then I bought my wife an I pad 2 and i tested it for a few day and I
notice the xoom is so fast and you not handcuffed to apple products that I went and bought the xoom again and this time I'm keeping it.

[Q] Just bought an A500

Does anyone else that has one notice a funny vibration when it's charging and you touch the aluminum side? I have it sitting on a leather desk chair charging and whenever I touch the side I get a little vibration that feels like electric current. It's very noticeable when I run my finger up and down it.

Nope, I don't seem to have that. I bought one today, but the screen is horrible.

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Does anyone else that has one notice a funny vibration when it's charging and you touch the aluminum side? I have it sitting on a leather desk chair charging and whenever I touch the side I get a little vibration that feels like electric current. It's very noticeable when I run my finger up and down it.
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Yes I was Checking that out at a Best Buy today and noticed that. Also I get the same vibration when I do the same thing on my HP Zeen android tab when it is docked to my printer.

quietas said:
Nope, I don't seem to have that. I bought one today, but the screen is horrible.
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Horrible? What makes the screen horrible for you? Why did you buy it? Surely, you could see that the screen was horrible before you decided to buy...??

I purchased one today as well. I haven't noticed the charging thing.
I think 'horrible' is a terribly harsh word, but many people tend to nitpick when it comes to these things and by all rights that's fine as it is their money. If you look carefully at the screen you'll see tiny vertical lines. In essence, if you sit there and stare up close you WILL see a tiny grid. I doubt many people will even notice it without it being called to attention. If it affected me negatively then I'd have an issue but it doesn't. It's obvious that some people are going to take issue with it though. It's up to the person to decide if they feel it's a problem or not.
The light acer ui software seems elegant and well thought out and all in all I do like it. I am still deciding between the iconia tab and the eee transformer. There are trade-offs. The eee doesn't have a camera flash and the front cam is 1.2 vs. the iconias 2.0 MP, not that that's a huge deal. The eee is also supposed to get a bit more juice from it's battery over the iconia tab. The eee doesn't have a host usb on the tab, you'll need the dock, not a big deal to some but I actually like having it on the tab. The eee has gorilla glass and an ips screen, the iconia doesnt have either but has a nice brushed metal backing and one thing I haven't noticed any reviewers mention is the Acer has a backlit power button which occasionally lights up....there's no method to it, ie: it's not lighting up because you have notifications but I'm sure a future update could result in that behavior. Heck, maybe it can be set right now (I haven't played with it in depth yet). The iconia tab also has some buried features...dolby sound which actually sounds pretty nice and 2 noise cancelling mics for really great skype/voip convos. These 2 tablets are going to give people a hard time in deciding I think. The eee has that keyboard/trackpad/battery dock, the iconia tab has a dock with a keyboard/trackpad/remote (rumored, I havent SEEN it).
One gripe I'm having with the Iconia is it doesn't seem to play many video file types over dlna. If it doesn't play them directly then this will definitely be a problem for me. I had a GTablet and would regularly use upnplay to stream videos from my Windows 7 machines and now I can't seem to get the Iconia to play a single file. I've tried Vplayer, Rockplayer, Doubletwist, nothing works. I don't know if this is Acer's fault or Honeycomb so I'm waiting patiently for the eee transformer to come so I can do my tests on it to finger the culprit.
I really like the tablet and hope I don't have to exchange it. I was all for the eee but got tired of the long drawn out wait. Now I'm hearing it's supposed to come tomorrow so I'll get to do some direct comparisons and end up with the one that fits me the most.

Why are you asking about the Acer in the Asus forum? just curious not being a jerk

Im picking up the iconia today. I don't care about the keyboard. If i wanted a Keyboard its get a netbook. I like the usb feature and the sim slot and hspa ready.
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graffixnyc said:
Why are you asking about the Acer in the Asus forum? just curious not being a jerk
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For those of us who don't want to wait until the middle of May for a Transformer, this is a viable option and I'd like to hear about their experiences with it, especially since there isn't a dedicated subform for it here yet (which is odd).

Got the A500, too. I like it, but will be checking out the transformer when I can get my hands on one.
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I bought one A500 today, the screen is fantastic.........

Is there really an issue with the grid being visible?

Great screen
Excellent Dolby sound
USB 2.0 port that actually works
Micro HDMI port with 1080p output
Working memory expansion
Great suite of included apps

Think I'll have to take a looksie at my local Best Buy.

I placed my order for the Transformer at Amazon in hopes that stock will come in soon, but I am still considering the A500. The main thing that's keeping me from it is the apparent lack of popularity compared to the Transformer. Doesn't affect the quality of the unit, but it does affect the availability of accessories and dev support.

I'm liking the A500. I see no problem with the screen. There's an included app to stream music from any PC in your network. The USB port can charge my EVO while I'm tethering and read files off of my phone or flash drive.
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Are you able to install non-market apps?

dfin13 said:
Is there really an issue with the grid being visible?
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I saw that in the cnet review. Have not seen what they were talking about. Seems like they go out of their way to nitpick.
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Cubfan99 said:
I saw that in the cnet review. Have not seen what they were talking about. Seems like they go out of their way to nitpick.
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You really have to look at it and look for it to see it imho. But it's there. Is it a dealbreaker? Only if it bothers you.
As for the question about non-market apps. The answer is yes, you can...and you can sideload just fine.
I'm still not able to play any videos :/ Even with the files directly on a microsd. My last choice is to copy them to the device and try the included player. If they still don't play this is going to be a big problem for me.
Anyone else able to stream videos from their pcs or from a microsd?

My local BB has decided to sell them telepathicly instead of putting them out for display. He said we have them but wont have a display until next week, maybe. They rather sell them instead he says, and I'm like not having them out on the floor helps...
I wanna see it in action first. Oh well sale lost....

That's goofy. My local BB had one on display right next to the Xoom.

Post your Xperia Play gripes and annoyances

Nothing in this world is perfect, we all know that.
What annoying you about your Xperia Play? Anything from little tiny niggles to other bugs. Discuss and see if we have any fixes
(Btw I love this phone and by no means am I slagging it off, these are little annoyances )
I'll start:
The sliding screen wobbles a little
My volume slider has a small imperfection that makes for a slight pointy feel on the bottom
When using Bluetooth headphones, turning them off before stopping the music crashes the phone and forces a reboot (Bug)
Right trigger feels more loose than the left
None of these really affect how the phone functions, they just annoy me a bit
What you guys got?

I think the only thing that has really annoyed me is the auto-dim. That thing is ridiculously sensitive.
If I wanted to get really picky - when the game pad has been slid out the right side of the screen sags a little lower than the left side.

I'm annoyed with the lack of L2 and R2 buttons, it limits the phone's emulation capabilities a whole lot.
I would do with a livelier screen, I feel the colors are so bland now in comparison with my old Galaxy S...
The back cover is jokingly frail, and the SD card doesn't work if you remove it... I'm thinking of getting a spare one.

My issues:
1) Stock camera app instead of the Arc's
2) R-trigger much more lose than the left
3) Back cover is too difficult to remove, and feels like it will break at any moment.
4) Bottom of phone squeeks on the back panel/battery cover
5) Phone's reception is very disappointing
6) Camera/Video capabilities are extremely disappointing
7) Lacks backlit keys under screen
8) Notification light in a less than ideal location
9) 512MB RAM chokes at times
10) Headphone jack and usb port on side of phone; need to be on the top and bottom repsectively
11) Auto-dim needs the option to be turned off (like on almost every other phone available!)
12) Phone takes quite a while to charge to 100%
13) Volume button is difficult to press while holding the phone vertically; not easy to feel +/- without looking

i dont really have any of them problems lol.
only thing annoys me is 512 ram
also i dont know what ive done but i dont have the autobrightness either. it stays on whatever brightness i set it to onthe power control widget :/ it also tells me 2.3.2 is the latest update tho lol

Well, I've had a nose around and the wobbly screen can be sorted with the mouse slider pads you have on the bottom of your mouse, just stick a few onto the back.
With the auto brightness I am confident the up coming CM7 Rom in development that it will be added.

TehH4rRy said:
Well, I've had a nose around and the wobbly screen can be sorted with the mouse slider pads you have on the bottom of your mouse, just stick a few onto the back.
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This is actually quite ingenious!! Can't believe I never thought of that. My play hasn't had this problem yet but I know it will eventually, the OG droid had it big time and was the reason I gave up on that phone and moved over to the Dinc.
For people complaining about the auto brightness and general screen brightness issues, are you aware of the factor installed "screen protector" thats on the play? I haven't done it yet but apparently you can easily remove it and make the screen much brighter, more responsive and less like to have auto brightness issues. Look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094245

Frogybloop said:
This is actually quite ingenious!! Can't believe I never thought of that. My play hasn't had this problem yet but I know it will eventually, the OG droid had it big time and was the reason I gave up on that phone and moved over to the Dinc.
For people complaining about the auto brightness and general screen brightness issues, are you aware of the factor installed "screen protector" thats on the play? I haven't done it yet but apparently you can easily remove it and make the screen much brighter, more responsive and less like to have auto brightness issues. Look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094245
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What are mouse slider pads?

Logseman said:
I'm annoyed with the lack of L2 and R2 buttons, it limits the phone's emulation capabilities a whole lot.
I would do with a livelier screen, I feel the colors are so bland now in comparison with my old Galaxy S...
The back cover is jokingly frail, and the SD card doesn't work if you remove it... I'm thinking of getting a spare one.
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This except for the screen. I owned a Captivate with the SAMOLED and loved it but I just came from a Desire HD so this screen is amazing compared to it.
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1) Stock email not accepting security certificates from exchange meaning the arc / play is not business ready. Htc, iphone, bb all do this.
2) Screen is a joke in the sun. No two ways about it. Whenever I try to show off the plays gaming to my friends, seeing them squint / struggle to see the screen embrasses a little. Also us it me or does this Screen just love attracting smudges. I spend so much time cleaning it ;-)
3) touch screen sensitivity. Never had problem typing on the iphones screen. On this I just can't help missing. On the iphone, I think due to it needing electric charge from finger it was a lot more accurate. On this the first tiny tap of one my fat fingers selects the letter. Generally either to the side or above the one I need. Ok I use swype to remedy this, but don,t help when selecting links in the web
4) loose screen clinking away typing.
5) screen brightness flickering away, even with protector removed.
6) force close, hanging when using messaging and dialer pisses me off also.
7) wireless flaky as hell. drops for noreason. i..e connected but with limited connectivity. No other device does this in my home, three lappy's, one iphone 3gs, one ps3, one xbox, one wii, psp. All work fine ( not on the same time obviously) Why the hell does my xplay just drop for no reasson.
Other than that I am well happy.
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1. Screen is too dark. Unusable in any type of sunlight.
2. Graphically intensive games lag like a *****.
3. The phone also lags at times.
4. Sometimes loses wi-fi for no reason.
5. Signal drops out sometimes.
6. DPAD is too close to the upper part of the phone meaning you can't use flat of your thumb. Making it very difficult and uncomfortable to use 'up' in games that require a lot of 'up' movements. eg. beat em ups, football, 1942 style shoot em ups, rpg etc.
7. Screen isn't most sensitive or accurate. My Iphone 2g was better.
8. No HD recording. WHY?!
9. Poor battery.
10. Auto dim is stupid.
Apart from that, I love the phone and wouldn't change it for the world. I am a gamer first, I will always choose a pad over the above.

No issues whatsoever for me because i research into other peoples fixes for any problems i have,
and can i point out for everyone complaining about auto brightness,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1085086&highlight=auto+brightness
Enjoy

This is my first smartphone...so a lot of this is new and exciting to me...but ether are a few things..
0. No root for r800x!!!!! Lol
1. No hdmi our like my girlfriends droid x.
2. Ergonomics...hand cramping when gaming.
3. I always have to physically look fire the volume.
4. Ram.
5. triangle and up buttons are a bit close to the screen...it would be nice to have an option for backlit
Buttons...despite the mediocre battery life.
All if this in no particular order. I love the phone as its kind if been my pspa nail in the coffin...since I used my psp mostly for emulation.... Rip psp.
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nelly_boy said:
2) Screen is a joke in the sun. No two ways about it. Whenever I try to show off the plays gaming to my friends, seeing them squint / struggle to see the screen embrasses a little. Also us it me or does this Screen just love attracting smudges. I spend so much time cleaning it ;-)
3) touch screen sensitivity. Never had problem typing on the iphones screen. On this I just can't help missing. On the iphone, I think due to it needing electric charge from finger it was a lot more accurate. On this the first tiny tap of one my fat fingers selects the letter. Generally either to the side or above the one I need. Ok I use swype to remedy this, but don,t help when selecting links in the web
7) wireless flaky as hell. drops for noreason. i..e connected but with limited connectivity. No other device does this in my home, three lappy's, one iphone 3gs, one ps3, one xbox, one wii, psp. All work fine ( not on the same time obviously) Why the hell does my xplay just drop for no reasson.
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I have these problems as well as a LOT of Wi-fi issues. It is the only device of the many i have that has wi-fi problems.
I also have problems internal memory being way to small. I love collecting games I have well over 400 on my Ipad and under 20 on my x Play and the internal memory keeps getting lower and lower. I'm going to be forced to root soon.
And lastly the volume buttons suck and are hard to push if you are in a hurry to turn it down. For instance it you have the volume up loud from home and your timer goes off in the middle of an important meeting. LOL

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14940589#post14940589
Where I got the Mouse Slider pad idea from. Made a big improvement on my phone when I close it, Might stick two more on.
And yes the only camera I had to hand was my phone

R button less responsive than L
Brightness a little dark
Impossible to desactivate auto brightness
Coulours very poor than my old Desire
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dunno what everyone's talking about, I've no problems at all! ha, guess I got lucky! Well, I lied, I've 2 small ones, but nothing to write home about.
Minor issue with wifi dropping, but have found that it usually occurs where the reception is kinda iffy
And my screen SLIGHTLY wobbles...but I'm not too fussed about that!

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One way was just posted like 3 posts up.
I don't have a lot of gripes left. Fixed the crappy typing issue with a new keyboard, and taking off the screen protector. Fixed my no screen off animation issue, fixed the buggy sony launcher for launcher pro, and most my other gripes.
Only things left are
notification light position sucks
I miss my amoled display (indoors anyway)
I don't see the big deal with ram, Android doesn't really need more than 512mb. The reason you only see 140mb free at idle is cause it caches the bajeesus out of your commonly used apps. If it needs more ram it can and will make room. I personally have not seen any significant lag in games from lack of ram.
And someone said poor battery??? This phone has amazing battery life compared to most smart phones.

I know...battery is amazing compared to my Desire HD.
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Well I came from a epic 4g and well I am not use to on screen keyboard so I mistype a lot of words lol,
Phone comes at a good speed besides start up which my epic was rooted with speed rom.
I allways lose service for no reason.
Wifi I havent had a problem
Havent had any slow down on anyp games yet,
Battery is sooooo much better then my epic I had to chargd it every 5 hours and this phone not until the next morning.
Other then that I love this phone
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[Q] TF810 vs Ativ 500T

Seems simple as they are almost the same we should go for cheaper one...but...
is getting Samsung really a better deal?
Your thoughts? Which hybrid with Atom is the best choice and why?

I own the Samsung 500t. What I like about it besides being $200 cheaper, is the rotation lock button, full sized USB port, and a slot to store the s-pen. What I don't like is the glossy slippery plastic back, the weak speakers, and lack of second battery in the dock.
The TF810 looks like it has better build quality with mostly aluminum and some plastic, shouldn't be slippery, I think the "Quad-Speakers" are probably going to sound better. It's got a brighter Super IPS+ screen which helps if you need to use the tablet outside. And it has a second battery in the dock. Oh and it is just better looking too.
The Atom is okay, but it's video playback kinda sucks. It seems many of these Atom tablets have various driver quirks that are still being worked out. Things just don't seem to be quite ready yet and I'm already second guessing the wisdom of spending $750 on the Samsung. So I definitely wouldn't pay $950 for the ASUS (with dock).
I'm looking at the HP Envy X2 also. HP has it on sale for $750 (not sure how long this sale will last), that includes the dock. I really like the all aluminum build and the latch mechanism doesn't stick out as much as other tablets. It's also get a second battery in the dock, but has no stylus or a Wacom digitizer (apparently uses some cheaper digitizer). And some day the keyboard isn't that good either.
Seems like all the Atom tablets have some downsides that we have to figure out which ones we can accept.
I'm also thinking about just giving up on the whole keyboard docking thing and saving some money and getting a 10 inch ASUS VivoTab Smart. At least it'll make a better tablet being lighter and easier to hold. And I can prop it up in a stand and use a bluetooth keyboard. And lastly I won't feel so bad spending so much money to be a first generation Windows 8 tablet guinea pig.

Lenovo Lynx is looking pretty good too. $600 for the tablet, $150 for the dock.
http://www.lenovo.com/products/us/tablet/ideatab/lynx-k3011/?menu-id=learn&ref-id=learn
Being a Lenovo that means the keyboard should be pretty good, and the keyboard dock has a battery. Built quality looks quite nice overall, and a textured back appears grippy and finger print resistant. It has no pen though. And what really makes me nervous is the specs say the micro SD slot supports up to 32GB. No SDXC in 2013, seriously? I'm really thinking that's got to be a mistake, but I'm not sure. It's definitely a deal breaker if it isn't a mistake.

Ravynmagi said:
I own the Samsung 500t. What I like about it besides being $200 cheaper, is the rotation lock button, full sized USB port, and a slot to store the s-pen. What I don't like is the glossy slippery plastic back, the weak speakers, and lack of second battery in the dock.
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That is a true downside. I got Galaxy S3 and I have dropped it few times beacuse back has no grip at all , I suppose laptop/tablet will be less mobile than phone but still it should allow me to carry it in safety.
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The TF810 looks like it has better build quality with mostly aluminum and some plastic, shouldn't be slippery, I think the "Quad-Speakers" are probably going to sound better. It's got a brighter Super IPS+ screen which helps if you need to use the tablet outside. And it has a second battery in the dock. Oh and it is just better looking too.
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My thoughts exactly. So fat I have only seen 500t in reality as Vivo Tab is not in shops yet... but I just like the way it look.
One more downside of Asus in Poland is TERRIBLE warranty service. Services are being run by small companies that have agreement with Asus Poland and in most cases they blame user for everything - standard reply is "Seal was broken/tempered with - warranty void" even having pictures of it before send for repairs is not helping .
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The Atom is okay, but it's video playback kinda sucks. It seems many of these Atom tablets have various driver quirks that are still being worked out.
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What exactly are your issues?
This device that I will buy has to be able to play (smoothly) most video formats, most popular being .mkv 720p.
If this has similar problems to "old" Tegra 2 devices (remeber?) than it is a BIG PROBLEM.
On the other hand I used to have old Asus 1201n netbook with dual-core Atom 300 and first gen. Nvidia Ion onboard and it played everything without an issue (12" screen with 1366x768).
So... what is going on here?
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I'm looking at the HP Envy X2 also. HP has it on sale for $750
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Saw it... don't like it either. Had HP/Compaq in the past and always had problems with them.
Since hardware of HP and 500t is the same I would go with Samsung in this one (I guess).
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Seems like all the Atom tablets have some downsides that we have to figure out which ones we can accept.
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More details, please
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I'm also thinking about just giving up on the whole keyboard docking thing and saving some money and getting a 10 inch ASUS VivoTab Smart.
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I was considering it, but in my case size of screen matters . When I write texts I work with few windows an 10" is just to small .

What's the difference between the tf810 and the tf810c? Is there a tf810 with LTE or any cellular connectivity?
Also the Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device from Samsung. Avoid
If its possible, I'd say wait another season or two for more competition.
If not, go TF810.

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What's the difference between the tf810 and the tf810c? Is there a tf810 with LTE or any cellular connectivity?
Also the Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device from Samsung. Avoid
If its possible, I'd say wait another season or two for more competition.
If not, go TF810.
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Can't wait I am waiting last 2 year to replace iPad with something that will do what I need.
I need Windows to work, I need mobile device to work away from home during weekends ( yes I know)
And I dont want just laptop as I has to be entertainment device as well.
Why do you say: Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device...?

galtom said:
Can't wait I am waiting last 2 year to replace iPad with something that will do what I need.
I need Windows to work, I need mobile device to work away from home during weekends ( yes I know)
And I dont want just laptop as I has to be entertainment device as well.
Why do you say: Samsung device looks to be a afterthought device...?
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In terms of the Samsung device, its build quality looks to be just as bad as it's phones. Samsung laptops are probably the best in the world (Series 9) To see the ATIV coming from them is a clear sign that they didn't really put much thought into it, especially when you compare it to DELL and ASUS' hybrids.
Looks like we're in the same situation. I cannot wait either :-/
I just posted this so maybe you'll find some help alongside of me.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2093981

Thanks for link.
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I have a TF810C and it's beautiful, the battery life is quite incredible. I consider this device perfect, except for the downsides:
-Slightly visible pixels at normal viewing distance, due to lowish resolution screen
-The pen bugs out when drawing 1cm near the edges of the screen
-The pen lacks drivers, and so does not work for Photoshop or nearly anything else. It works with some Windows 8 apps and both desktop & metro OneNote. When it does work, it works really well.
-Tinny speakers that are situated at the back of the tablet. They get a little bit distorted.
-No complex gestures for the touchpad. I like to tap on the right click area instead of pressing down, but the drivers for the tablet don't allow this!
-Dodgy, dodgy chipset drivers. Expect a BSOD every 2 days, sound that completely breaks until you reboot once a day, stability problems, unresponsive touchpad when waking from sleep, etc. These can happily be fixed by installing Samsung/HP/Acer drivers.
-No ASUS support at all. Drivers are not being updated, and the website doesn't even list the device correctly.
-The CPU can't handle fast-moving 720p 10bit .mkv files in VLC Player. Media Player Classic works, but it breaks for complex subtitles. Thankfully, a kickstarter for Windows 8-style VLC Player has been funded, and may offer better performance.
...And that's pretty much it for the problems. Every last one of them.
The tablet is thin, light, shiny, has a colourful and bright display, well-balanced with the keyboard dock, brilliant in every other way.
I can definitely recommend it, and hope that ASUS will eventually get around to fixing these problems rather than making users depend on other devices' drivers.

galtom said:
What exactly are your issues?
This device that I will buy has to be able to play (smoothly) most video formats, most popular being .mkv 720p.
If this has similar problems to "old" Tegra 2 devices (remeber?) than it is a BIG PROBLEM.
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It's fortunately not as bad as the Tegra 2. I'm not sure if it's a hardware issue or maybe just a driver issue. I have trouble playing back some 1080p videos, there are noticeable frame drops. Stream HD video from Amazon Prime or YouTube gets choppy sometimes (not referring to buffering issues) as it's dropping frames. The ABC Player app in the Windows Store also drops frames. The Netflix app however seems to work flawlessly. And if I download 1080p YouTube videos and play them back with VLC that seem to work fine usually. 720p MVK files work most of the time, think I've had some higher bit rate ones that got choppy sometimes.
I have a smoother and more reliable video playback experience with my Kindle Fire HD. I'm hoping this is just a driver issue and things will get smoothed out soon.
Other driver issues...
Wireless sometimes has trouble reconnecting to an access point with bluetooth is being used. Some have also mentioned dramatic slows with wifi using bluetooth, though I haven't done any file transfers while using my bluetooth mouse yet, so haven't seen that first hand yet. If I disable the bluetooth the wireless never seems to have trouble reconnecting, only with bluetooth on.
The keyboard/trackpad don't seem to go to sleep when the tablet does. With the tablet in the keyboard dock, if I close lid this often causes the tablet to wake back up, even the screen will come back on. And it make stay on. I've also found that apps I didn't open will open up after I close the lid. I the tablet coming within close proximity of the trackpad while it's close is causing it to register clicks or interaction and wake up and run apps. I now have to manually press Fn-F5 to disable the track pad before closing the tablet lid on the keyboard. This seems to help a lot and now the tablet will go to sleep most of the time. Hopefully a driver update will make the keyboard/trackpad also sleep at some point.
However I don't think the keyboard/trackpad is the only issue preventing the tablet from going to sleep. Seems like if I have some applications running it has trouble sleeping as well. So if it doesn't sleep I may need to close some apps or go back to the Windows Start screen.
The audio is inconsistent. Sometimes the volume sounds good and sufficient and other times I have a real hard time hearing it. It's different on an app by app basis. Hopefully this can be improved through drivers.
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I seem to run into big cons with each tablet I look at...
Samsung 500T, slippery back, no secondary battery.
ASUS TF810, expensive, no pen silo.
HP Envy X2, No pen, poor keyboard.
Acer W510, Too small, poor keyboard.
Lenovo Lynx, No pen, 32GB SD limitation.
Lenovo Tabet 2, No keyboard dock.
Dell Latitude 10, No keyboard dock, too small.
Pick your poison. I'd prefer a keyboard dock that converts the tablet into a clamshell laptop design (so I'm not a fan of the Surface kickstand and type cover design). 10 inch tablets mean the keyboard is going to be too cramped, so the W510 is too small (and the Dell is too if it had a keyboard).
Originally I didn't care about a pen, however after using the Samsung 510T for a while, I'm starting to realize the pen is pretty nice to have. It helps with desktop apps, such as when I want to highlight some text in the browser, which seems to be impossible to do by finger. I don't ink on my tablets, so the pen is just to make working with the desktop apps easier. And I need to be able to store the pen in the tablet otherwise it'll be hugely inconvenient. This is probably the one con I can overlook, I think I could live without the pen, it's just something I'd really like to have.
Seems like on the Lenovo Lynx has the 32GB micro SD limitation. I already own a 64GB microSD card and I got to be able to use this with my tablet. 64GB is going to already be cramped on the tablet (only about 32 to 40GB is available depending on the size of the recovery partition). I'm hoping the 32GB limit is an error in the specs list, but it's mentioned more than once in different places.
Lack of secondary battery is more an annoyance. So far I've been able to get through an entire tablet with my Samsung 500T despite not having a second battery. I'm also not using the tablet constantly all day long, but I do use if frequently through out the day. And the battery life of the Atom is already impressive. So it's disappointing there is no second battery, but it's not a deal breaker.
A slippery back on a tablet almost is a deal breaker. While I don't feel like there is any danger of dropping it, it's so huge, so it won't slip out of your hands that fast. But it does make holding it even more awkward than the weight and size already make. Fortunately this potential deal breaker issue is somewhat solved with a skin I put on the back from Decalrus. The skin is smooth, but it is still a decent improvement than the glossy plastic of the tablet. It doesn't feel slippery anymore.
At this moment I'm probably going to end up keeping my Samsung 500T. If the Lenovo Lynx supported 64GB micro SD then I'd be highly tempted to switch to that. However if the sleep issues with the Samsung keyboard keeps bothering me, it's possible I just may give up on a tablet+keyboard=laptop dream and just go with a pure 10 inch tablet without keyboard and get an ASUS ME400 (VivoTab Smart) and save myself $250. And wait for the Bay Trail tablet at the end of the year.
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One positive thing about the 500T. Despite some driver issus with the wireless, it seems like Samsung has been doing a good job with driver updates. And the tablet has been quite stable. I've never had a bluescreen of death and don't need to reboot it.

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A slippery back on a tablet almost is a deal breaker. While I don't feel like there is any danger of dropping it, it's so huge, so it won't slip out of your hands that fast. But it does make holding it even more awkward than the weight and size already make. Fortunately this potential deal breaker issue is somewhat solved with a skin I put on the back from Decalrus. The skin is smooth, but it is still a decent improvement than the glossy plastic of the tablet. It doesn't feel slippery anymore.
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It seems a couple people posted about the slippery back of the Samsung ATIV 500T. I have owned this tablet for about 3 weeks now and I have had no issues at all with the material on the back of the tablet. Honestly I dont even feel like it is slippery. Its not like my fingers glide across the back when I am gripping it. Or I have never set it on a surface and feared that it would glide to the other end and fall to the ground. Just my opinion.
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knlmwq said:
It seems a couple people posted about the slippery back of the Samsung ATIV 500T. I have owned this tablet for about 3 weeks now and I have had no issues at all with the material on the back of the tablet. Honestly I dont even feel like it is slippery. Its not like my fingers glide across the back when I am gripping it. Or I have never set it on a surface and feared that it would glide to the other end and fall to the ground. Just my opinion.
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The back is smooth glossy plastic. When your hands are perfectly dry there is no issue. Unfortunately for us humans, up to 60% of our body is water and most of us have a little bit of moisture that forms in our palms. So unless you are constantly rubbing your hands dry and wiping the back of the tablet with a cloth, it's going to get slippery for most people.
I have no fear it's going to just pop out of my hands like a wet bar of soap. But it's difficult to hold in the palm of one hand while interacting with the screen, because it keeps slipping.
This back is one of the big reasons I'm returning mine. It's just too much of a hassle.

In all those devices with 64GB SSD - how much space is left for user?

A base Win8 64-bit install will use ~15GB, counting pagefile, hiberfile, etc. (size highly variable on the amount of RAM installed, among other things). Adding things like Office and the legacy .NET frameworks will drive that up somewhat. Realistically, If there's a recovery partition (likely), it'll probably be at least 5GB and possibly as much as 15GB (if there's a ton of pre-loaded crap) but that just depends on where you get it from, and you can create external recovery media (flashdrive or similar), nuke the recovery partition, and extend the main partition into the space. Realistically, I'd say you should expect to have 30-40GB of fully usable free space - you can go higher than that, especially if you disable hibernate, but it will slow things down if the storage gets too full.

Thanks for the info - that is all I needed to know.
As far as I understand there will be no problem in moving recovery partition to USB drive/NAS disk/ or even to cloud (Skydrive) just for storage?

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Thanks for the info - that is all I needed to know.
As far as I understand there will be no problem in moving recovery partition to USB drive/NAS disk/ or even to cloud (Skydrive) just for storage?
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You can move it to a USB flash drive, it needs about 8GB of space. I probably wouldn't put it in a cloud drive since if you actually need it it'll need to be on a USB flash drive anyway.
BTW, with my Samsung 500T, I sometimes had to reboot twice before it would recognize the USB recovery drive (USB boot is weird on this thing).

Hi Guys, I had both the Ativ 500t and now the TF810. For me the 500t seemed slower and seemed to freeze. so I returned it and last week I got the TF810 for my Bday. It is so much better quality and performance. I also had a huge problem with the keyboard disconnecting on the 500t. The keyboard is soo much better with the TF810 and the battery adds atleast an additional 8hours. All this aside I ended up winning a contest at work and will receive the surface pro when released so I will probably sell the TF810 and throw in the Keyboard for free. It turns out we just missed out on the extended return with Amazon holiday because Adorama is only 15days into the new year.
Out of the 2 the TF810 for me was the far better machine. Granted I have only used it for a week but everything from the Pen on is so much better.

Great to hear that my decision to spend more and get Tf810 was/is a good one

Before you sell the TF810, it would be interesting to observe your comparison with the Surface Pro. I have the Surface RT and love it, but I'd like to see some comparisons of the x86 options. The Surface is very tablet-y; it can be used as a laptop (I have the Touch Cover, which works but is not perfect) but even with the kickstand and all, it feels a bit more natural as a tablet. I'm worried that Surface Pro may try a little too hard to be a tablet (despite its disadvantages in weight, thickness, etc.), and end up being good at neither.

If I still have it when the Pro comes I will do the comp video. But right now it is on EBay with keyboard included for only $799 so I doubt it will last long. As it is priced to sell.

Lots of talk about cheaper alternative (Nvidia Shield Tablet)

Please guys do some home work here!
I owned one and sent it back with in a week to many issues!
Lots of members also experienced these issues.
Here is the link for the cracking edges !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/nvidia-shield-tablet-cracked-edges-t2842175
Here is the link for poor WiFi
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/wi-fi-issue-yep-exist-t2879409
How to hold your shield with out blocking the antenna
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/how-to-hold-tablet-dont-block-wifi-t2869878
Massive battery drain issues
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/battery-life-thread-raped-android-os-t2876980
Battery drain whilst on charger
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/battery-drain-charger-t2864126
It also suffers from a horrible yellowish look in the whites!
Apart from the above is not bad lol. Do your self a favour and save a little more money.
It's a real shame this had so much potential but got rushed here I think. NOT FULLY TESTED THATS FOR sure
I don't want to knock this tablet because in a strange sort of way I really liked it, that was when it was running OK, minus a few issues!

The Nexus 9 hasn't been released. Who said it will have zero issues?

That's true, but these are more than a few issues my friend more of a disaster.
Don't want to start a war but these are the facts I thought people should know which are current!

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Don't want to start a war but these are the facts I thought people should know which are current!
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Well sorry to say my shield is fine, no cracked edges, wifi is fine, no overheating and no battery drain. Peoples "facts" aren't necessarily the truth for everyone and the screen is fine without any yellow hue.

I can find threads on any device with people complaining of issues. I got the cracked corners, no problems with anything else. The Shield is a great tablet, many reviews will agree.
The only reason I'm selling mine is the Nexus 9 is 4:3, that simple. I'd keep the Shield if the N9 turned out to be 16:10 or 16:9.

So your telling me if you left your device on charge over night it still says 100% in morning ? Not 95%? Now you can not play games whilst on charge with out it discharging (fact)! what about your colour white? No yellow ting? Even in low light ?Okay about your WiFi what is your link speed under settings/WiFi/select your current router. And what if you cover the bottom right hand corner?
You are a lucky one! They might of checked you're one and not the other million , Cracked edges will take longer if you don't play a lot of games, BTW did not mention about over hearing forgot about that one!
There are lots and lots of nvidia shield tablet users that have some of these issues and others have all of them, and a few that say they have no issues at all. Then a week later you'll get a member saying I have just had to RMA my tablet because of that famous cracking corners.

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I can find threads on any device with people complaining of issues. I got the cracked corners, no problems with anything else. The Shield is a great tablet, many reviews will agree.
The only reason I'm selling mine is the Nexus 9 is 4:3, that simple. I'd keep the Shield if the N9 turned out to be 16:10 or 16:9.
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This was why I brought it under good reviews.
I had yellow hue in the whites
Diss charging (on charge/playing games
And cracked corners
My WiFi was okay but lots of other members complained or just sent it back for a refund.

I returned mine due to the following:
- Wi-Fi issue.
- stylus palm rejection doesn't work properly
- stylus tip is slanted, like a creation that was cut at an angle. This makes using it to write notes awkward.

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There seems to be more to the issue. Now that I'm back home and have the equipment to test this tablet, I'm seeing a ton of inconstancy.
As I said above, the tablet will only take a 1.6 amp max draw under any condition but tends to jump all over the place. Even at 80% with heavy use the tablet tends to only draw around 1.1 to 1.2 amps at times. Other times it will draw a full 1.6. There appears to be no rhyme or reason to when it chooses to draw what it does. I have tested it from 20%, 80%, 100%. Reboots will at times get the tablet to pull what it should be, though I think a 2 amp draw would be better as we could net a positive charge under use then.
So Nvidia, you need to look in to this issue. It is definitely a problem. It should never pull that little under heavy use while the battery is not charged. The fact it is easily replicated should help as I would wager it effects all units.
I'm happy to discuss this with anyone on the thread, but I am only interested in actual testing with the proper equipment. If you have it, test it as I have and lets compare our findings. Not that it would make any difference unless you are running a custom kernel , but I'm looking for stock 1.1 tablet findings.
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I never once posted or said it was drawing more then 2 amps. The Nvidia converter box isn't that great either. I was simply stating that better quality parts netted a better result for me. Shortly after, I started to notice the amperage draw inconstancy. At first I thought it might be heat related until I did some more testing using a infrared thermometer on the back of the unit during charge and charge with use. The temps played no part in the amp draw from my findings on my tablet.
I think this is both a software and hardware issue. If you have testing results that differ from mine, please feel free to share. The purpose of this threads was to get info from everyone.
Here it is over there https://forums.geforce.com/default/...charged-when-playing-normal-android-games/15/