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Still Deciding between X1 and Touch Pro (FUZE)

When the X1 was first announced, I was all over it. Then the Touch Pro with TF3D was announced, and I thought... the X1 is too 'raw' compared to the 'slick' Touch Pro, so Touch Pro for me!
Then I tried the FUZE (AT&T's Touch Pro) and I was disappointed in a few areas where I was not expecting to be disappointed (details below).
So, as it stands today, I am leaning back toward the X1 over the FUZE (TP). But it's a close call, and I'm still undecided. Here’s why:
1. Xperia hardware looks like a device that I would be proud to be paired with. In other words, just like Apple, Sony understands that a gadget can also be a fashion accessory. That’s a 2-fer in terms of value-add.
2. I have found the FUZE to be too heavy and bricky to be really pocket-friendly. This was a major disappointment when I checked it out at AT&T last week! I was all ready to buy the FUZE when I realized that it would take a serious adjustment to have that kind of weight and thickness in my pocket. It remains to be seen how I feel about the X1’s weight and thickness (since it's not released yet in the States). But, in terms of the specs published, the X1 looks to be about .5oz lighter than the FUZE. NOTE: The FUZE for some odd reason seems to be .5oz heavier than the Sprint Touch Pro and the HTC Touch Pro. No idea why.
3. The X1 has more hard buttons on the front panel, and more easily pressed hard buttons on the front panel. I have heard serious complaints about the “up” arrow on the X1 d-pad, but I will have to see for myself if that is insurmountable. I have played with FUZE, and the front panel buttons are not confidence-inspiring. I feel like it’s a negotiation with each press of the dpad.
4. The absence of the g-sensor on the X1 is stunning, and quite disappointing. What a huge bummer. What the heck was Sony thinking? G-sensors = cool + fun. Xperia = cool+fun. What am I missing?
5. The FUZE is about $175 w/plan on AT&T, and the X1 will be around $700 retail in a few weeks (with coupons, etc.). Yikes, that’s not a marginal difference in price, is it? I’m not sure I can justify a 4x price difference for a phone that is about 1.5x as good. Or, can I? Well, it’s like buying clothing: I can spend $200 on a shirt or $10 on a shirt. They both cover my torso about as effectively, but which one do I want people to see me paired with? This goes back to the gadget-as-accessory frame.
6. Panels. I figured they would be a dead platform as soon as 09, but the new facebook panel could be a game-changer. It shows how Panels could be the equiv to iPhone apps! Will panels have market mojo? What incentives are Sony peddling for developers to get on board? What kind of penetration can panels have if limited to only 1 device? Very chicken/egg situation here, and kind of a risk for X1 owners if they are relying on panels to breathe life into WM6.1.
7. TouchFlo 3D on X1. If this really ends up being portable to the X1 with 100% functionality and no bugs, then the X1 ends up being the more flexible device of the two. But 100% compatibility seems to be a ways off still, for many good reasons. Conversely, it is highly unlikely for several reasons that the TP would ever get panels. Sure, they might be portable over to the TouchPro HD, but that’s not the TP/FUZE, is it?
8. Keyboards. I’ve read some horrific reviews of the X1 keyboard, but they’ve been scattered and not consistent. So, I guess I’ll have to wait to actually try one myself to see how bad it really is. I tested out the FUZE keyboard, and I know it gets rave reviews, but coming from my HTC S710/Vox, I found the lack of space between the keys troubling. I’m sure I’d get used to it, but it seems like the X1’s layout (with spaces between keys) is more like my S710’s layout, which I find quite comfortable to type on. I am quite concerned about the lack of tactile feedback on the X1 keyboard, though. If there’s no feedback, then what’s the point of a hardware keyboard? Again, reviews have not been satisfactory around this aspect of the X1, so I’ll have to wait to see for myself.
9. Touchiness. I found the FUZE to be fiddly with touch sensitivity. Too often, a swipe was interpreted as a select, which was quite annoying. I've read that the X1 has a better touch experience, but that will be something I'll have to xperience myself, I guess.
10. Screen rotation. OK, big minus for X1 to have no G-sensor, but big plus for X1 for its apparent "instant switch" technology between landscape and portrait modes! I've seen some videos and it's quite impressive in Opera. One of the reasons why I 'dread' to go to my slide-out keyboard on my S710 is due to the lag. It's just painful to wait. If there were no "wait tax" on using the slide-out keyboard, I might go to it more readily.
11. Dpad+ features. The FUZE has the circular zoom thang, and the X1 has the glidey thing. No idea which is preferable. Both are interesting in their own way.
So, this is where I am right now re: X1 v. FUZE. To be honest, I am kind of looking for excuses to cheap out and get the FUZE just so I'm not spending $700 on a friggin phone. But the thickness and weight are things that I'd have to adjust to.
Does anyone have any thoughts/comments/additions to this analysis?
Jon
[cross-posted on X1 and Raphael forums so I can get both viewpoints]

Ops wanted to post this somewhere else sorry :-(

xperia has same hardware + bigger screen but no tv out and accelerometer. these are unuseful for me, and touchflo3D from touchHD runs great on x1
we have xda, we don't have to choose a device for his software, and xperia is indeed an HTC device so ALL tweaks and programs are compatible. x1 looks better and seems to be less fragile, i purchased xperia and now I tweak it with all i need from others devices

I have the same problem. Still unsure what device to buy, but tend towards the X1. I've used both devices.
Keyboard:
X1 wins for me. Its just more clear and more intuitive to use with the 4 row layout. Yes, the keys are small, but I had absolutly no problem with hitting the right one. The feedback was okay and definitely not a problem. The sliding mechanism is better as well, as is the depth of the slide-out part. It just seems more stable, better to hold and easier to use. Of course, A CRTL button and a CAPSlock LED would have been nice.
Size and weight:
X1 wins big time. The X1 is a little thinner and much more lighter. It just feels better in the hand and in the pocket.
Display:
Possibly the biggest advantage over the touch pro. The display is sharp as hell and web browsing is a pleasure. The fast and almost instantaneous swith between landscape and normal view is just awesome.
And some minor things like battery and the nice optical Joystick when internet surfing ...
Some cons:
X1 display not leveled. But when I used the X1 the first time I was surprised that its not a problem at all. the display itself is a little smaller than the cutting in the cover. So I had no problem pushing the X-Button or Start-Button.
No G-Sensor. Its just sad SE didn't implement that. Would have been nice, but its not a no-go ...
Will order it next week I think, but will take a last look at the touch pro to be sure ...

10. Screen rotation. OK, big minus for X1 to have no G-sensor, but big plus for X1 for its apparent "instant switch" technology between landscape and portrait modes! I've seen some videos and it's quite impressive in Opera. One of the reasons why I 'dread' to go to my slide-out keyboard on my S710 is due to the lag. It's just painful to wait. If there were no "wait tax" on using the slide-out keyboard, I might go to it more readily.
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well, after you loaded more softwares in your phone, it will get quite laggy especially in some softwares, dunno about others, but it does lag here

nap007 said:
well, after you loaded more softwares in your phone, it will get quite laggy especially in some softwares, dunno about others, but it does lag here
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Hmmm... so is the lag gap because one is running TF3D and one isn't? How bad does the lag get? And is it from installed apps, or running apps?

it will be running (or even run) apps which are causing it. However a soft reset once every few days should ensure it runs smoothly all the time.

yeah i have to find a decision, too
i think i will buy the x1, because the dimensions the depth is 1mm smaller then the touch pro. currently i use the wizard, its a really fat door stopper.

I am fortunate to actually own both these devices at the moment (thanks to an upgrade on my contract) so I can tell you what my findings are:
:: Hardware X1 problems ::
My battery cover refused to stay on. I was forced to get a small screwdriver and push the little metal tabs (near the SE logo) down a bit lower. This has been noted in other forums. The battery cover is a pain to get off if you don't have long fingernails.
The soft-reset button is under the said battery cover! I mean who decided that was a good idea??
The speaker is situated in a place that is often covered up by the palm of your hand (if you are right handed) and subsequently blocks the sound. The same can be said for the positioning of the camera lens, which frequently gets covered by fingers as you hold the phone in a natural camera position.
Notification LED's that are just too dim to see as they are located in between the keyboard and top panel. They have a rather confusing display of colours and none of them give you signal/bluetooth status for example.
There is a much documented report of a potential problem with case cracking.
No G-Sensor and the keyboard lacks the tactile feel and separate number keys of the Touch Pro.
But...
It has a fantastic screen response, very smooth. Fast landscape rotation on opening the keyboard, which glides out in a smooth curve. Dedicated hardware buttons and a cool optical sensor which works really well in web pages. GPS is really fast and accurate. A proper separate headphone socket.
:: Hardware TouchPro Problems ::
Unpredictable button presses
Lack of hardware buttons, especially a windows key and an OK key (also missing from the keyboard) No camera button, this is a serious omission.
Screen is not very scratch resistant (2 on mine caused by the useless case that is supplied) It's also very unresponsive, I find myself 'jabbing' the stylus at it sometimes to get it to acknowledge a response.
Poor battery life. Heavy/Bulky.
But...
has a beautiful VGA screen, the BEST keyboard I ever used on a mobile device, has a G-Sensor, a magnetic stylus which turns on the device on removal, touch sensitive D-Pad (Ok can be hit and miss sometimes but great for zooming) and has TV out.
:: Software X1 ::
The panels are disappointing. You can only set up 9 at a time, so if this really takes off you're going to have to sacrifice a few of your favourites. That's assuming that the panel idea is not going to turn out to be a flash in the pan. The ones supplied are a tad dull.
No YouTube application
Not all software works with the WVGA screen. Especially games. I found about 20 of my favourite apps weren't supported. Ok, this may change when developers bring out new releases but some may never work.
:: Software TouchPro ::
TouchFlo 3D looks sexy, but it is probably the biggest cause of crashes. I found myself constantly soft-resetting. Eventually after reading other users comments, I turned it off and a lot of problems disappeared.
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In conclusion....
Obviously pros and cons with both. I think none of us will ever be satisfied with everything. What aggravates me is that HTC (who make both devices) don't seem to take all the good stuff from past models and make the perfect device! You get used to one feature only to find it missing the next time you upgrade.
So we have to see which feature is important to us and decide.
Here is the clincher....
The TouchPro / FUZE is probably the MOST UNRELIABLE PDA I have ever owned. I constantly have to reset and cope with weird behaviour on a daily (no hourly) basis. Very unstable.
The X1 is probably the most RELIABLE PDA I have ever owned!!!! and has coped with a mountain of stuff I have loaded on to it, and it continues to cope admirably! I don't have to worry about using it.
This is the most important feature for me and is why ultimately I am selling the TouchPro very shortly.
Hope this helps you decide.

Apprentice,
That was a fantastic comparison/review. Thank you so much for your insights. So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?

not at all. its quite small in person. xperia all the way

Thank you apprentice for your review, and to JonDeutsch for starting this thread. I could have written your questions/opinions almost word for word. I am in the same place trying to decide which of these 2 phones to get.
I currently have a 8125 (Wizard) that I have flashed WM 6.1 w/M2D. When I had WM5 loaded it was slow and I was having all kinds of lockup & misc problems. Since flashing wm6.1 the phone seems to be on it's second life (faster and no lockups), so now I'm not is as much of a hurry to get into something else.
I went to the att store a few days ago to look at the Fuze. I walked out more confused about which to get. I was not impressed with the Fuze at all. To me, it seemed slow and sluggish for a new model with a cpu that is >2x faster than mine. Comparing it side by side with my 8125 the size was smaller and thinner, but the screen was physically smaller even though they are both supposed to be 2.8".
I was really looking forward to the Omnia also, but since I don't know if it will ever be coming to the US I've moved on to these two models. I also like the Touch HD, but not having 3G for the US won't pass the test either.

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So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?
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exactly

Hi
I think all is said. I owned both devices and I selled my TP. Why?:
1) G-sensor is nice but I dont use it.
2) TV-out is nice but I only used it once to see a film in a hotel but hasnt full support with CorePlayer so the quality isnt very good.
3) Screen is much better in X1. Now you can really surf a web in your sofa.
4) GPS performance is much better in X1
5) Stability is much better in X1
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So no doubt for me....
Dani

What led me to the X1 was a combination of the following:
- much longer standby time
- not much bigger than a default cell phone
- I like the X1's keyboard layout better (matter of taste...)
- standard headphone jack
- I prefer "rotate only when keyboard's slide out" to "Oops, I rotated the screen accidentally!". Though I admid the G-sensor would be fun for games. But then again, most games don't even support WVGA, not to mention a propietary G-sensor extension that makes the apps incompatible to everything but a couple of HTC devices...
- X1 is a bit faster in most tests. Though that's probably only a driver thing, the Touch HD is faster than X1 and Raphael with almost the same hardware and WVGA display (more pixels than Raphael).
- I thought the panels are an interesting idea. However, by now I don't give a dime to that. Too propietary, too slow, too limited (few available, max 9 at a time), clumpsy handling (press panel button, touch on screen, wait - every time you want to switch to another panel...), ...
- The WVGA screen - though that's been more of a developer decition, so I've got a test device for that. Otherwise, I would have preferred the more compatible and bigger (in size per pixel) VGA display.
- X1 looks better
- and it was a bit cheaper...
In hindsight, Panels, as mentioned, turned out as a flop for me, and having to use WVGA fix for some games is quite annoying. But otherwise, the additional screen estate is really great (browsing in landscape, lots of infos on the Today screen, more entries in lists, ...), the keyboard is way better than I expected after some reviews, and I like how it feels more like a "dump" cell phone in my pocket and regarding standby time.
The "optical joystick"s really nice in some apps (esp. for slow scrolling - for fast scrolling flicking is better imho), while sometimes a bit too sensible in others. I wish there was a better "(don't) use in that application" configuration then just the few fixed apps (iirc, PIE, contacts, and messaging). But if you don't like it at all, you can just deactivate it completely...

JonDeutsch said:
Apprentice,
That was a fantastic comparison/review. Thank you so much for your insights. So, the X1 does not seem "bulky" even though it's only 1mm thinner?
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You're welcome!
I can't recommend the X1 enough to be honest.
As for the bulkiness issue... it may only be 1mm less in depth (which I didn't realise as it looks a lot more than that!) but it's the difference in width that makes it less bulky. Also long and slim is way easier in your pocket. Finally the corners are nicely rounded. It really handles and looks like a regular 'candy bar' type phone.

user experience X1
I'll provide you with my point of view. Since i'm someone who actualy uses this for it's business functionality, i'm not that interested in sound quality / video playback/ camera functionality/ games/ eyecandy. My previous phone was a TYTN/ HERMES (last 2 years), prior to that I owned a jam/ qtek100 (20 months).
NOT having owned a TP/FUZE I won't be able to comment on it's pros and cons but having an X1 i can add some points which I think have been exagerated or been overlooked imho. I did look at a TP in a shop but wasn't impressed by it's feel, too plasticky/synthetic. The X1 looks and feels like a premium lifestyle accesory whereas the TP would be a top of the line 'gadget'.
Keyboard
The keyboard is one of the main issues in the reviews. I'm not bothered by it it but it is not as good as my HTC TYTN keyboard. Having said that, it's not as awful to me as some reviews implied, it's pretty usable to me. If you have bigger hands/fingers the TP might be a better option.
G-sensor
Looked like a lot of fun, but it would probably annoy me more than it would improve my life:
I do a lot of excel / powepoint/ word stuff on my phone and sometimes i'd like to pass my phone over to someone else to give them a glance of the figures i'm working on. With a g-senor the screen would tilt with eacht flick of the wrist putting some columns or rows beyond the visible area. Not having had that on my previous phones I decided I wouldn't be missing it.
TF3D/panels
At first i discarded the panels, flashed a lite rom and loaded tf3d. I thought TF was a bit slow , buggy and did not add any value for me so i went back to the plain WM screen.
Last week i reinstalled the panels, including the spb one and i 'm beginning to appreciate it. especialy the spb that has shortcuts to programmes and settings so i don't need the startbutton that much anymore (one handed operation!!) Best thing: it has a 'soft reset' button so no more picking at the battery cover to reach the reset hole (bad decission that is to have a reset button out of reach on a windows device). The SE panel is my main panel because i can display the next 5 or 6 upcoming appointments on one screen. TF can only display 2 appointments on the start screen afaik.
Dpad (touchscreen)
As stated above I used tf3d for a while. The fingerprints on the screen drove me mad. the same kind of scrolling can be achieved with the d-pad after a few days of usage and growing accustomed to its usage and responsiveness. I realy like the dpad now (allthough it could have been a bit more higher or the borders surrounding it could be a tad lower). Having this experience i was confinced i don't want multitouch or a full surface screen.
Arrow keys
This was the reason I nearly didn't buy the X1; I Liked them and used them a lot on my TYTN but after practising on the old TYN with the joystick instead of the arrow buttons I decided I could live with it. So not really missing them since the dpad has replaced this functionality. I admit it requires some effort to get a bit used to putting your thumb on the dpad instead of the keyboard itself but it's easy to grow accustomed to (after 2 solid years with my previous phone and it's arrowkeys).
Screen
Biggest gain. I can finaly look at full webpages on my phone and don't need to revert to the mobile version of a webpage. Clear and sharp but i can appreciate the argument that you need a bigger screen (i.e. touc HD) for this kind of resolution. For me and my sharp eyes it works fine , someone with less sharp eyes can use the zoom function of Opera .
Dimensions
Roughly about the same size as a normal Nokia candybar business phone. Some people complain it's a bit too heavy but i like that. Makes it feel solid.
Conclusion
My main conclusion up till now: it has the wow factor (someone actually said 'Wow' in a bar when i pulled it out). Thank god i didn't go for a full touchscreen without hardware buttons: the fingerprints would drive me crazy.
I'm happy with my choice but would understand if there are just some little things that would convince someone to buy a TP; just a matter of priorities.
The X1 is also too expensive to reccommend to everyone. I decided that the premium look and feel was worth it combined with the top of the range specs and the software flexibility. if it was a SE manufactured phone with symbian I wouldn't have bought it, the micro sd card and mini usb charging and the ROM enhancements are the reason i prefer HTC devices.
I hope the above helps....

Best thing: it has a 'soft reset' button so no more picking at the battery cover to reach the reset hole
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There are other tools for that as well. Additionally, you can simply press the power switch for a few seconds. If you phone isn't crashed completely, a message box whether you really want to switch off is shown (and if it hangs, you're not able to launch something from a panel either...). Turning it on immediately afterwards does the same as a soft reset.
(bad decission that is to have a reset button out of reach on a windows device).
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Not only for those. Sometimes I wished for a reset button on other cell phones, too. But yes, the location sucks. Sometimes it faster to temporarily remove the battery...

So, is this the phone everyone wanted?

Now that we've all had the phone for some time now, is this the phone you wanted? Does it live up to the hype?
I personally love this phone. I don't have any serious gripes about it. Mainly small things but they aren't a deal breaker at all. This phone feels great in hand and the keyboard feels natural. However, I never use the application shortcut buttons or the www. Button. Those feel like gimmicks to me. I would have loved a full 5 row keyboard but manufacturers seem clueless to that nowadays. The phone is still very fast and my hinge is still strong. Battery lasts me 18+ hours with heavy usage. Its great when you don't have to constantly worry about the battery level.
Can't wait for this bad boy to get rooted and over clocked!
From here on out I'm only buying phones with stock android.
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Amen. Ditched the vibrant for this and couldn't be happier.
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I am also completely happy with the phone. But like u said. I never use the www key as well as the quick keys. I would like a full number dedicated row.. but its not a deal breaker for me.
I can't wait for P. Root and wifi tethering!! (=
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Arcadia310 said:
seem clueless to that nowadays. The phone is still very fast and my hinge is still strong.
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I want you to post another vid of you demonstrating your strong hinge but this time give the phone a little jiggle now and again. I can do everything you did in that video but my hinge is far from rigid. Im on to you!
Weak hinge isnt bothering me though, although im certain this phone wouldn't survive a fall if the keyboard flops out on impact. I love the phone... keyboard could be better as you stated but im getting more used to it. The phone feels incomplete without wifi tether, but otherwise I love it.
Good screen size, good battery, good OS, good specs , good data speeds, good aesthetics.
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sinistersai4d4d said:
I want you to post another vid of you demonstrating your strong hinge but this time give the phone a little jiggle now and again. I can do everything you did in that video but my hinge is far from rigid. Im on to you!
Weak hinge isnt bothering me though, although im certain this phone wouldn't survive a fall if the keyboard flops out on impact. I love the phone... keyboard could be better as you stated but im getting more used to it. The phone feels incomplete without wifi tether, but otherwise I love it.
Good screen size, good battery, good OS, good specs , good data speeds, good aesthetics.
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No I will not. Why would I shake it? Why would I shake any phone? That would only damage my hinges and make them more prone to looseness. That video was a realistic demonstration for practical usage. I will not demonstrate anything unrealistic.

Yes, thank you

I love this phone coming from the HTC HD2 running android and a G1. The g2 is super fast, looks beautiful, perfect feel in my hand, my hinge is solid not loose at all. Can't complain so far best phone I've ever got my hands on.
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This phone is great. It's actually my first "smartphone."
I don't have any problems. My first time using an onscreen keyboard, and it's a huge learning curve for me though. I rarely use the physical key board.
I don't have that hinge problem. From day 1 I've had a case and I still haven't taken my screen protector off yet lol. I received my phone Oct. 3.
Stock Android FTFW. Holla.
I want to make a video for everyone about my phone, not sure what though.
And this phone is living up to the hype. The GMAIL integration makes my life a lot easier. Saving things to my SD card is simple.

I love the phone! It's a fantastic upgrade to my old G1. The only hardware option that I'd like is the notification LED off of the G1.
As far as software changes, I would only ask for 1 of two options.
option 1, phone comes with root accessibility.
option 2, phone comes with the ability to connect to IPSEC VPN, perform WIFI tether, and directly access my wpa_supplicant.conf file.
If I had either one of those things, it would be perfect
To me, these things are minor enough (and the root thing is (sort of) and will be solved). I love the phone.

Arcadia310 said:
No I will not. Why would I shake it? Why would I shake any phone? That would only damage my hinges and make them more prone to looseness. That video was a realistic demonstration for practical usage. I will not demonstrate anything unrealistic.
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Yo man just checked out your video about the hinges. My phone has a strong hing IMO. If I'm laying down my screen will slide down. But like you said in the video, I will have to NOT be touching the screen, because naturally, I would have my fingers holding it in place. When the screen is closed, I hold it upside down - No problem.
I'm coming from Verizon and I must say, the T-Mobile call quality is nothing compared to Verizon. One of your vids you mention how you can just take a few steps and your bars will change, go in and out of Edge or HSPA. That's not necessarily a G2 issue.
I dig this phone, and I've already rocked a couple of my friends smart phones. Holla

I have my third G2 coming the first of the week. So far both of the first two had loose hinge issues and terrible reception. In the same exact place I tested the signal strength with my Nexus One and Vibrant and the G2. The G2 was not even in the ball park. I do like the phone and believe it has tremendous potential. Other issues I have had include wall papers changing by them selves. Calls not ringing in and voice mail not registering. And the most irritating dropped calls. Just by picking up the device it would launch an application and deploying the keyboard will start up apps randomly. I did not touch the screen in any way when these things occur. Tried to launch Goggle Googles and a black screen came up and when I tried to back out it went to Google Earth. So far I am not overly impressed although as I stated previously that I do like the phone. If the thrid one has the same problems i will return it and wait to see what happens. I am hoping it will not as there is just something about this phone which appeals to me.

G2 + Vibrants screen(Amoled) = Game Over.
- Fly like a G2

That would be Perfect!!!!

Check out my video I just made.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RZKHq6e1Ds

I am very happy with my phone. No problems with it whatsoever. It's everything I expected and more!
My hinge is somewhere in the middle between tight and loose. The screen will sometimes drop down if I hold the phone upside down without touching they keyboard. I have been using it heavily and have not had any problems with the hinge in normal use - keyboard open or closed - so it is a complete non-issue for me. I feel this is how it was designed to work.
The phone is blazing fast an the camera and video look great. No rebooting issues and reception is pretty good. I came from a Moto Cliq and the battery life and reception are both better on the G2.
tenbeau said:
I have my third G2 coming the first of the week. So far both of the first two had loose hinge issues and terrible reception.
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I have some of those sticky antennas that go behind your battery on order. You can get a 5 pack of them on Amazon for $5 shipped. I noticed an improvement on my Cliq after installing one, so I'm willing to bet it will help. I don't have any reception problems, but it's always good to have more bars. You just have to make sure to stick it directly where the internal antenna is.
Anybody know exactly where the antenna is in this phone?
Anyways... I want to say thanks for all the knowledgeable people on this board who helped me learn a lot about this device.

only issue is samoled is a samsung exclusive. regular amoled has too much glare. plus slcd is cheaper.

I had a couple reservations getting it, but I have to say I love this phone! I went from a G1 to Nexus One and now G2. This phone feels like a Nexus One but with a physical keyboard. I'm hanging onto my N1 as a companion/backup.
The G2 made me realize how much I missed having a physical keyboard....plus the radio and GPS on it seems to be superior to the N1....also being in a HSPA+ area is always a plus too.
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TheManCityLife said:
Yo man just checked out your video about the hinges. My phone has a strong hing IMO. If I'm laying down my screen will slide down. But like you said in the video, I will have to NOT be touching the screen, because naturally, I would have my fingers holding it in place. When the screen is closed, I hold it upside down - No problem.
I'm coming from Verizon and I must say, the T-Mobile call quality is nothing compared to Verizon. One of your vids you mention how you can just take a few steps and your bars will change, go in and out of Edge or HSPA. That's not necessarily a G2 issue.
I dig this phone, and I've already rocked a couple of my friends smart phones. Holla
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Yeah that's definitely a problem with T-Mobile; I believe I mention that in the video. I can remember 2 years ago when I had a Sidekick I would get horrible signal while inside of buildings. I would be in class and have no signal. Now with the G2 I can walk literally 10 feet and my signal will fluctuate like crazy.

I'm sending mine back and sticking with my G1 for the following reasons:
1) In the upper right corner of market, it has a link to TMobile apps instead of my Downloads (I so hate them for that!)
2) I hate the hardware keyboard / hinge slider.
a) slider slides closed while holding and typing fast
b) impossible to type < or > with hardware keyboard (even with SYM key software popup).
c) Keys too wide and letters off-center.
d) No number row sucks, too much use of function key.
e) Although the touch pad is about the same as the rolly-ball, they both suck compared to 4 arrow keys on the keyboard.
f) I also prefer the 4 function keys as hard keys instead of softkeys.
3) Battery is worse then G1 in edge-case areas (2G/3G), but I do admit battery is better then G1 in solid 3G area.
4) Notification lights. I have not known about many missed calls/texts that I would have seen much earlier using my G1.
5) Although I love the proximity sensor in theory, I guess I don't hold my phone correctly for it because I have already hit keys while talking more than I have in 2 years with the G1.
6) microUSB port on left side instead of bottom makes it impossible to hold the phone while it is charging (I am left handed).
7) Buggy, I've had a few crashes, and the camera got stuck running or something once because barcode scanner claimed it was in use and even after I tried to kill everything the battery drained from 60% to 0% within like 15 min in my pocket. Also had apps like Google Earth and some root apps lockup.
8) External speaker sounds tinny as hell.
9) You can't swap the microSD card without removing the battery.
10) Too expensive... I'll wait until my contract is fully up in march so I get a better discount, but I'm hoping there is a better GSM phone my then. If the Epic 4G worked on TMobile (or if Sprint worked at my house), I would take that over the G2 in a second purely for the better hardware keyboard design.
After all is said and done and you get CM6 or some other custom rom on your phone, all Android phones are basically the same, other than design and speed. G1 is dog slow, but it can still do EVERYTHING the G2 can, as can any other rooted Android phone. (except play flash as well, G1 hacks for flash are still lacking)

I am completely happy with my G2. I haven't had any major issues whatsoever, and I wouldn't trade it for anything else currently on the market. There is also nothing in the near future that I've seen (MyTouch HD, WP7, etc.) that will make me regret buying the G2. My next phone will likely be the G3!
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Swapped my Focus for a Quantum

Call me crazy, but I went in to AT&T today and swapped them out. I was really interested in having a physical keyboard, and was much more impressed with the build quality of the LG.
If you have any questions about the device, feel free to ask and I'll answer what I can.

I know what you mean, I came from a Galaxy S Vibrant to the Quantum and the LG blows the Vibrant out of the water in terms of build quality, the Vibrant felt like a cheap toy in comparison.

Yea I'm really loving the keyboard. Probably the best one I've used on a mobile phone yet. Overall solid build with just the right amount of heft.

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Call me crazy, but I went in to AT&T today and swapped them out. I was really interested in having a physical keyboard, and was much more impressed with the build quality of the LG.
If you have any questions about the device, feel free to ask and I'll answer what I can.
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I didn't play with it as long as i wanted. But how is the keyboard, as far as a fast typer?. Example if you slide your finger across the keyboard. The asdfghjkl; how well does it pick up. Do it leave some letters out? Hope you can make out what im Trying to ask lol. I hope it has a better keyboard than lets say some issues with the epic 4g keyboard.

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I didn't play with it as long as i wanted. But how is the keyboard, as far as a fast typer?. Example if you slide your finger across the keyboard. The asdfghjkl; how well does it pick up. Do it leave some letters out? Hope you can make out what im Trying to ask lol. I hope it has a better keyboard than lets say some issues with the epic 4g keyboard.
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The only thing I can compare it to are portrait keyboards like a Treo - but it's good for a wider keyboard.
Here's a test by line for you:
Qwertyuiop
Asdfghjkl
Zxcvbnm
1234567890
@#$%&()-\
!;:'"?/
No issues it seems! =D

it picks up letters without a problem, but i find the keys a little too spaced and the FN/caps buttons don't illuminate, shows up on screen...Still very satisfied with the Quantum, it's very fast in comparisson to my 8925, but i like the tilt keyboard better.

Thanks well the keyboard seems nice. I still got 5 more months before i decide on getting one.

Doug,
Given that you first used the Focus, how exactly does the Quantum's 3.5" TFT display stand up to the Focus's 4" Super AMOLED?
The Quantum stands out to me for some reason and one of the only real concerns I have is how much I'm giving up on the screen front if I go with the Quantum. Did you feel like you downgraded on the display when you booted up the Quantum?
Appreciate it!

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Doug,
Given that you first used the Focus, how exactly does the Quantum's 3.5" TFT display stand up to the Focus's 4" Super AMOLED?
The Quantum stands out to me for some reason and one of the only real concerns I have is how much I'm giving up on the screen front if I go with the Quantum. Did you feel like you downgraded on the display when you booted up the Quantum?
Appreciate it!
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Short answer, I do not feel like I downgraded.
Long answer - while the SAMOLED's look great, they have their shortcomings. They're 16-bit only, so there is banding (noticeable, given the size.) Their battery life isn't spectacular, but that could potentially be due to the size of the battery. Since the resolution isn't different, things tend to look sharper on the 3.5" - also, brightness is all personal preference. I thought the SAMOLED was way too bright for me.

Thanks for your time, Doug!

Does the battery life on the LG compare to the Focus? The Focus seems to have great battery life so I don't to give that up if I switch. I am mainly concerned with the sound quality of the Focus. Also, I am worried they won't be able to find a good SD Card for the phone. I think the Focus is the only phone that can combine two different types of memory (NAND and SD-card). I am not sure the OS can handle the speed differential without a software patch to slow down the reads/writes of the NAND so there is no difference between it and the SD-Card.
I saw in the MobileTechReview.com review that the screen sharpness is not that good. What are your thoughts?
Also, how is the sound quality of the phone? Is the speaker loud? Does the earpiece have enough volume?
Thanks in advance for your time and answers. There are not too many good reviews of the phone.
JS

Tested all 3 AT&T devices
After reading many of the reviews on the at&t WP7 offerings I thought what I wanted was the Samsung Focus.
Last week end I spent a couple of hours playing with the phones in the AT&T store. I currently have an htc Fuze and I wanted to stay with htc, but after playing with the Surround I was disappointed with the speakers. The heft was not worth it for the sound.
There are many in my family who are of the iPhone faithful and I have played with their devices many times and am able to type with their on screen keyboards without much trauma. The reviews said the Focus keyboard was as good as the iPhone. The Focus was fun to play with; I liked the 4 inch screen, but my fat fingers could not work the on screen keyboard. I spent quite a while trying to type in both portrait and landscape and I had difficulty getting even one word right. Unfortunately, Focus is out.
At first the LG was of no interest because of the small 3.5 inch screen; I didn't even realize it had a slide out keyboard. I wanted an AT&T WP7 device and the first two, after playing with them for a while, simply were not going to work. When I picked up the LG Quantum the build quality was obvious from the first touch. It felt perfect! To my surprise, I pushed on the case and out popped this very smooth hard keyboard. I was hoping that I could graduate from a hard keyboard after using my kid's iPhones, but after sliding out the LG keyboard I easily typed out a paragraph with no errors! It even has arrow keys which I was unable to find on the soft keyboard which made the much needed editing even more frustrating. I loved the feel of the LG!
After reading many online reviews and a couple of hours of utube videos, I ordered the LG Quantum for $80 from CellularDeals.com. I am now eagerly awaiting its delivery...

is there an app on the quantum that'll let you use the camera flash as a flashlight?
I saw a comment somewhere that indicated there was, but didn't specify if it was homebrew or not.

Quantum Screen Response
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I now have my Quantum; the screen is the same size as an iPhone and not many iOS users complain about its size.
It seems that sometimes the screen is unresponsive, tap, tap, and nothing happens. I didn't notice it in the att store, but I do now. It may be my inexperience with a full capacitive touch screen, but, for example, if I touch the little arrow on the Home screen to access the app list, nothing happens. I have to swipe the screen to the left instead. The other arrow works intermittently also.
If anyone else has experience a similar unresponsive touch screen, please comment. I could be my unit needs to be replaced.

hey all! i thought id throw in my .02, as i won a quantum, and it arrived the other day! FWIW; i have worked for at&t for well over a decade, and couldn't begin to list the devices that i've had in my posession. however i can say that in 3 years i've rotated through an iphone3g, htc tilt 2, htc aria (which i still am using), samsung captivate, and now the lg. let me state for the record that i'm not a fan of lg phones. in fact i was rather disapointed to find that the quantum was the device i "won", as it was not my first (or second) choice if i were to purchase a wm7 device new. that opinion changed the moment i held, and fired, this beauty up. its nothing short of solid, well built, and highly functional.
this device is as responsive as any other capatacitive screen device ive owned yet...and maybe more so. typing on this device screen is accurate, and percise, even without the haptic feedback some devices offer. i do miss this option, but its not a deal breaker. the color is richer than i expected, considering its not the samoled screens some other devices offer. its size seemed to be a draw back at first glance, compaired to the smasung and htc, but has quickly become a non issue. the coating on the screen is oil phobic, like the iphone3gs, and cleans up quickly. summary: very impressed!
the keyboard...oh the keyboard...
ive never really liked having a physical keyboard. maybe ive become spoiled over the years; maybe since my first "smart phone" (htc sx66), nobody seemed to make one that felt solid. well, ive changed my tune. from the first solid "snap" of the board for service to my fingers, ive been a convert. this is not the crap lg keyboard they have loaded in their other devices. this one is clearly their way of stepping up to the plate, and showing that lg can, in fact, compete in the highly competitive smartphone device market. IMO, the addition of the function and caps buttons away from the main board body seem to make sense, and were a welcome addition. it seems mine dosent have the issue ive read here of a uneven back light. i was able to text in the darkness of my favoriate tavern last night without fuss. all the buttons lit evenly and just bright enough for my aging eyes to see without being over saturated, or needing to squint. granted, it darkenes a bit quick for my liking, im sure future wm7 updates will open more posibilities to adjust this. summary: quite impressed.
call clairity, speaker volume, bluetooth connectivity and battery life are all (mostly)exceeding my expacations. i say "mostly" because the battery seems to not quite make it a full day yet on a full charge. but to be fair, none of the devices i listed above ever really made it on a full charge from bell to bell. ive noticed its network strength is as strong as my aria is, and better than my iphone was (shocker). mulitiple bleutooth devices were added, and used without so much as a wimper. i would like a bit more sound volume (because im a touch deaf in one ear), or at least some sort of equalizer function...but thats more wm7 than lg. summary: really damn impressed!
the size, weight and build quality have (obviously) made me change my mind about lgs ability to produce a viable device that will likely see much use from me before it gets replaced...or should i say "upgraded"? good, solid and dense; it dosent feel like a toy that will crumple under my usage, or break if i get a bit carried away. it feels like a productivity tool...which is exactly how i intend to use it!
I hope this helps provide some perspective...and slightly more than .02!
ciao!

I went from a Tilt2 to a HTC Surround... HATED not having the slide-out keyboard, got an LG Quantum... LOVE IT!!!

Good Battery Life
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...summary: quite impressed.
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DamnageD said:
...call clarity, speaker volume, Bluetooth connectivity and battery life are all (mostly) exceeding my expectations. I say "mostly" because the battery seems to not quite make it a full day yet on a full charge...
ciao!
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My Quantum was delivered on 7 December and last night, 20 December, was only the fourth charge including the first one out of the box. Last night I talked with my brother in Oregon for about three hours and the little battery icon was pretty small.
My wife is using the Quantum most of the time and her usage is lower than mine, but she makes and receives calls all day, does a few text messages and when we are driving around, every time she sees blue lights or hears a siren she goes onto her favorite websites, the sheriff’s scanner and fire rescue site. She has her favorite websites pinned to the home screen at the bottom and can logon in seconds anytime with a slid and a tap.
Because of a posting mishap, it is now after 11pm 22 December and the battery icon still says the Quantum has about 1/3 charge after two days of use.

rossi32s said:
I went from a Tilt2 to a HTC Surround... HATED not having the slide-out keyboard, got an LG Quantum... LOVE IT!!!
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so, did you notice phone get too hot when charged ?

I did not have the HTC surround long enough to charge it more than 2x. My LG Quantum does not get hot during charging.
I had to charge my Tilt 2 every day since I use outlook with exchange and the connection is always open. I have the same setup with the Quantum and only charge it every 2-3 days.

Are you cool with on screen buttons?

Hey,
I am cool with the storage, no removable battery and HSPA+. But on screen button little bugging me lol. Don't you guys think it will used some screen space or you guys don't even bother with that space

Having a gnex, i'm pretty cool with them! Capacitave buttons is so 2010
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I begrudgingly accept the fate that is software buttons. I don't like them, but I'm not going to refuse to buy a great phone because of them.

I'm actually loving em in my nexus 7 so why not in a mobile phone? To be honest I wasn't too convinced by them at the beginning, but after some time I really like them
Sent from my amazing Nexus 7 using xda developer's app

As I said in another thread, if your device is rooted it's just a matter of adding a line to the build.prop file to get rid of them.
I use my GNex fullscreen, navigating with Virtual Button Bar, it's not free but works great. When I need the buttons I just pass my finger on top of proximity sensor and they appear! Totally customizable.
Someone says it's dangerous because you're screwed if the service stops... I never had a problem in six months using it this way.

Hardware buttons are below the screen, and to hold the phone with comfort, my thumb has to stretch downwards (a bit too far) causes fatigue mostly on large phones like the SG3. My hands aren't small but to support a phone and use it, it's a pain.
On screen buttons means the buttons are higher up so less strain.
imo.

jacklebott said:
I begrudgingly accept the fate that is software buttons. I don't like them, but I'm not going to refuse to buy a great phone because of them.
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same here, the only problem is those on screen button. if they had to added those button, why not make the screen itself little bigger cause there was extra space on the bottom which empty and looks kinda ugly

I love the on screen buttons, check out the mods for them in the galaxy nexus forum. Customization is fun!

On screen or capacitive. Just not the physical home button like the s3. I think it messes with the fluidity of a device. Lightly touching the screen and capacitive buttons then having to firm up your grip to push the stupid home button. Such an inconvenience.... lol
Oh the crap we complain about....
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

I love the software buttons, i even use them on my Sensation, i like that i can modifiy them, i like that they disappear while watching a vid and i love how the device looks while the screen is off, so damn clean.
-xLychee
Edit: They made the screen bigger, 0,1" and 1280*768 instead of 1280*720.

Didnt mind them on the galaxy nexus im sure they will be fine on this

I thought I was going to hate them before I had the G nexus, but now I would hate not having them. With AOKP (and others) you can change the order of the buttons and even add more. I have a menu and search button in addition to the regular ones on mine. You can even program more to quickly open apps or kill an app ect. It really is a huge improvement if you ask me.

For those that wish to have a full screen option, check out LMT Launcher. It totally made the gnex experience for me much better. It's an app that can be found on this forum. A video demonstration can be found on youtube as well.

6 months in....... Still addicted!

I've got to hand it to HTC. I used to change my phone every 2-3 months tops, getting bored with every offering out there. I've had all the flagships one can imagine, yet I haven't changed my phone for the past 6 months now, and what's worse, I don't think I will change it before the 'M9' comes out. The M8 is simply the best device I've ever owned bar none. Build, usability, reliability, the list goes on and on..... Even the slight curve on the back of the device allows for incredible handling. It's like they've mastered every detail. Negatives? like everything in life, yeah. The power button is on top and not on the side and is hard to reach. The battery life could be better. The bezels could be thinner. The finishing (loose volume rockers, sim trays, etc) could be better on some devices. But these are issues available (along with a catalog of others) on MANY if not all other devices. I bought a Z3 a few weeks back and it didn't last a few days before I sent it packing. The only thing about that device was the battery life, it was unbelievable. But the ageing M8 still trumps it overall.
Am I the only one addicted to the M8?

One man's negative is another man's positive. Hated the power button on the side of my Note II. Always inadvertently hitting it putting screen to sleep. Much prefer on top.
Otherwise agreed. Hands down best android handset I've owned to date.
Sent from my HTC One_M8 using Tapatalk

Powerbutton? Who needs power button? Just Double tap the screen ??

tmlrem said:
Powerbutton? Who needs power button? Just Double tap the screen ??
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Actually a feature that I(Personally) am not to thrilled about. It's a great idea but it's overly sensitive, if you clean the screen the screen comes on and you delete an app on homescreen or place hangouts into a grouped folder with whatever else. Removes the clock widget...just does random nonsense because for reason cleaning the screen(Without lifting your hand) equates "double tapping". It started to annoy the hell out of me until I eventually disabled it.
Using the power button is only a fraction of a second longer and makes no real difference, especially if you constantly need to double tap when you actually need it in order to unlock the phone or... turn it a bit sideways first in order to get out of hibernation so taht the sensors work correctly in order to wake on tap. Annoying as hell, for me personally, it's a great idea gone awfully wrong pretty quickly.
Other than that, I have no issues with the phone really(Camera is a given but I don't use camera often so...) and I'm very happy months after receiving it.

i dunno, i had a at&t m8 over the summer and i loved it. now that i have the tmobile variant it just seems buggy as hell to me. gonna hold onto it until the m9 comes.

no need to use the top power button.
KarimSalloum said:
I've got to hand it to HTC. I used to change my phone every 2-3 months tops, getting bored with every offering out there. I've had all the flagships one can imagine, yet I haven't changed my phone for the past 6 months now, and what's worse, I don't think I will change it before the 'M9' comes out. The M8 is simply the best device I've ever owned bar none. Build, usability, reliability, the list goes on and on..... Even the slight curve on the back of the device allows for incredible handling. It's like they've mastered every detail. Negatives? like everything in life, yeah. The power button is on top and not on the side and is hard to reach. The battery life could be better. The bezels could be thinner. The finishing (loose volume rockers, sim trays, etc) could be better on some devices. But these are issues available (along with a catalog of others) on MANY if not all other devices. I bought a Z3 a few weeks back and it didn't last a few days before I sent it packing. The only thing about that device was the battery life, it was unbelievable. But the ageing M8 still trumps it overall.
Am I the only one addicted to the M8?
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install any screen lock application, I personally use screen lock by Katecca, it works great, simple efficient coding. You can power of the screen using the gesture that opens google search. slide from the home button navbar towards the top. Good luck.

kbs3020 said:
install any screen lock application, I personally use screen lock by Katecca, it works great, simple efficient coding. You can power of the screen using the gesture that opens google search. slide from the home button navbar towards the top. Good luck.
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Agree, I use the app Screen Off. Does the same thing and adds some cool looking animations when you turn your screen off. I get a lot of "WOW that was cool, how'd you do that" comments when my friends see it in action. I rarely use my power button now but I like the location because my Vivid's was in the same place. I agree that the double tap to unlock is a bit sensitive but I still use and like it a lot.
I've still not found that very annoying thing about this phone and I don't think I will since I've had it for 3 months now. This phone rocks

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Actually a feature that I(Personally) am not to thrilled about. It's a great idea but it's overly sensitive, if you clean the screen the screen comes on and you delete an app on homescreen or place hangouts into a grouped folder with whatever else. Removes the clock widget...just does random nonsense because for reason cleaning the screen(Without lifting your hand) equates "double tapping". It started to annoy the hell out of me until I eventually disabled it.
Using the power button is only a fraction of a second longer and makes no real difference, especially if you constantly need to double tap when you actually need it in order to unlock the phone or... turn it a bit sideways first in order to get out of hibernation so taht the sensors work correctly in order to wake on tap. Annoying as hell, for me personally, it's a great idea gone awfully wrong pretty quickly.
Other than that, I have no issues with the phone really(Camera is a given but I don't use camera often so...) and I'm very happy months after receiving it.
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Lol just hold the phone anyway except upright in portrait when you clean it. Screen will not come on. ?
Dt2w only is active in portrait upright position. Took me a bit too to think of that when cleaning the screen.

theandies said:
Agree, I use the app Screen Off. Does the same thing and adds some cool looking animations when you turn your screen off. I get a lot of "WOW that was cool, how'd you do that" comments when my friends see it in action.
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This is even cooler if you use Nova launcher as you can set it to turn off the screen by double tapping anywhere on your homescreen. Saves having to scroll to find the icon. And yes the CRT-off animation is cool.

popoyaya said:
This is even cooler if you use Nova launcher as you can set it to turn off the screen by double tapping anywhere on your homescreen. Saves having to scroll to find the icon. And yes the CRT-off animation is cool.
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I tried NOVA on my old phone and didn't really get into it.
Don't need to scroll to find the icon just swipe up from the home button up. :good:
I like the zoom out animation. I used CRT off too and is another favorite but I switch it about once a week.

KJ said:
Lol just hold the phone anyway except upright in portrait when you clean it. Screen will not come on. ?
Dt2w only is active in portrait upright position. Took me a bit too to think of that when cleaning the screen.
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It actually opened screen when it was lying flat on back, but anyways. Appreciate the tip but I'll hold off on that DT2UL for now. Like I said, pressing the power button isn't an effort at all it's rather fast and easy so...
I'm sure they'll improve more and more on those double tap to unlock but it's not something that I'm too concerned with myself. :good: :highfive:

It's a very handy feature IMO and saves wearing out the power button. Also ScreenOff app to lock the phone.

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It's a very handy feature IMO and saves wearing out the power button. Also ScreenOff app to lock the phone.
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That's true of course. I just don't know about constantly tapping the screen, won't that also inevitably cause some issues with the touch screen? All that constant "shock" to the screen?
I actually think the Dot View case is better in that regard. It uses a magnet to unlock the screen. The magnet is in all the HTC one M8 phones so why can't all the flip covers at least have a magnet in place to automatically unlock the device once the cover is opened? Much more simpler, no more hitting power button to unlock, no more tapping screen to unlock.
Of course it'll be a different story for people that don't have flip covers for their phones but still.
I only use the power button to "wake" the device when needed, I usually just put it one side and let it lock/sleep on its own. So at least I'm "halfing" my use of the power button :silly:

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The power button is on top and not on the side and is hard to reach. The battery life could be better. The bezels could be thinner.
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I might be one of the few who doesn't mind the power button being on the top. but i have long fingers. At least they put it on the right side this time. Also Please dear lord, don't make those bezels smaller. It's hard enough as it is with these thin as hell bezels. I'll say this is a trend I'm gonna hate in 2015.

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I might be one of the few who doesn't mind the power button being on the top. but i have long fingers. At least they put it on the right side this time. Also Please dear lord, don't make those bezels smaller. It's hard enough as it is with these thin as hell bezels. I'll say this is a trend I'm gonna hate in 2015.
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What's 'hard' with the thin bezels? It makes the footprint of the phone smaller. The only downside I could see is that it might be easier to shatter the screen if it's too close to the edges. But I'd take that for a smaller device.
As for DT2W being a replacement to the power button........ No Thanks. I don't like that feature one bit. First of all, it's a battery drain. The panel is always 'on' and waiting for input from the user. Secondly, it's way too sensitive. I constantly used to find the screen on when I carry my phone.
It takes literally a tenth of a second to push the power button. No need for tapping the screen. Just put it on the side next time please! Even Apple got it right with the iPhone 6 because they know it's too big to have a button on top, it's out of reach. Come on HTC, I'm sitting here saying you SHOULD COPY APPLE. That's how BAD I want this

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What's 'hard' with the thin bezels? It makes the footprint of the phone smaller. The only downside I could see is that it might be easier to shatter the screen if it's too close to the edges. But I'd take that for a smaller device.
As for DT2W being a replacement to the power button........ No Thanks. I don't like that feature one bit. First of all, it's a battery drain. The panel is always 'on' and waiting for input from the user. Secondly, it's way too sensitive. I constantly used to find the screen on when I carry my phone.
It takes literally a tenth of a second to push the power button. No need for tapping the screen. Just put it on the side next time please! Even Apple got it right with the iPhone 6 because they know it's too big to have a button on top, it's out of reach. Come on HTC, I'm sitting here saying you SHOULD COPY APPLE. That's how BAD I want this
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Dt2w is not a battery drain on phones that designed the system to run it, like the M8 and G2. Yes, it's a huge drain on devices that the features been cooked into the kernel, like the N5, by our awesome devs here.
Anyway, I usually get 8 hours+ screen time with my setup and usage... And I've tried disabling Dt2w and the rest, not noticeable difference in battery life.
Not for me anyway. ?

KarimSalloum said:
What's 'hard' with the thin bezels? It makes the footprint of the phone smaller. The only downside I could see is that it might be easier to shatter the screen if it's too close to the edges. But I'd take that for a smaller device.
As for DT2W being a replacement to the power button........ No Thanks. I don't like that feature one bit. First of all, it's a battery drain. The panel is always 'on' and waiting for input from the user. Secondly, it's way too sensitive. I constantly used to find the screen on when I carry my phone.
It takes literally a tenth of a second to push the power button. No need for tapping the screen. Just put it on the side next time please! Even Apple got it right with the iPhone 6 because they know it's too big to have a button on top, it's out of reach. Come on HTC, I'm sitting here saying you SHOULD COPY APPLE. That's how BAD I want this
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Dt2w is not a battery drain on phones that designed the system to run it, like the M8 and G2. Yes, it's a huge drain on devices that the features been cooked into the kernel, like the N5, by our awesome devs here.
Anyway, I usually get 8 hours+ screen time with my setup and usage... And I've tried disabling Dt2w and the rest, not noticeable difference in battery life.
Not for me anyway. ?
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Yep M8 like G2, OPO, iPhone have an extra processor to handle motion gestures etc, so there won't be any real extra drain on battery.

KJ said:
Dt2w is not a battery drain on phones that designed the system to run it, like the M8 and G2. Yes, it's a huge drain on devices that the features been cooked into the kernel, like the N5, by our awesome devs here.
Anyway, I usually get 8 hours+ screen time with my setup and usage... And I've tried disabling Dt2w and the rest, not noticeable difference in battery life.
Not for me anyway. ?
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8 hours on the M8??? I usually have 4, or maximum 5 hours if I set the brightness at around 25-30%. I know it's offtopic but a few tips would be appreciated to boost battery life!

KarimSalloum said:
8 hours on the M8??? I usually have 4, or maximum 5 hours if I set the brightness at around 25-30%. I know it's offtopic but a few tips would be appreciated to boost battery life!
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Look at this page on a browser and go the the battery help thread in my signature. Post 2.
If you want help there, see post 1 and 4 and post the recommended screen shots. Lots of help there.
It's an N5 thread, but that's fine, just mention you have an M8.
I do everything from post 2. But my usage versus yours could be very different. So screen time will always vary. ?
My average screen time in Gsam at the bottom is well over 8 hours... 22total.
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5 hours could be completely normal for you depending on your usage.

KarimSalloum said:
What's 'hard' with the thin bezels? It makes the footprint of the phone smaller. The only downside I could see is that it might be easier to shatter the screen if it's too close to the edges. But I'd take that for a smaller device.
As for DT2W being a replacement to the power button........ No Thanks. I don't like that feature one bit. First of all, it's a battery drain. The panel is always 'on' and waiting for input from the user. Secondly, it's way too sensitive. I constantly used to find the screen on when I carry my phone.
It takes literally a tenth of a second to push the power button. No need for tapping the screen. Just put it on the side next time please! Even Apple got it right with the iPhone 6 because they know it's too big to have a button on top, it's out of reach. Come on HTC, I'm sitting here saying you SHOULD COPY APPLE. That's how BAD I want this
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The smaller bezels make it harder for me to type, and even harder to hit the edges of the screen. I use a case to protect my device. I don't drop my phone or anything, but there's always a chance of it sliding out my jacket pocket. The edges of the display are no man's land.