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Any news about FroYo

FroYo is the "codename" of the next android update. Thats the only thing I know about this. Even the google search shows only two results about this Android FroYo. Anyone here knows more about this update, any speculations, confirmed features or release date? Please share...

faraz1992 said:
FroYo is the "codename" of the next android update. Thats the only thing I know about this. Even the google search shows only two results about this Android FroYo. Anyone here knows more about this update, any speculations, confirmed features or release date? Please share...
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/29/exclusive-android-froyo-to-take-a-serious-shot-at-stemming-plat/
Exclusive: Android Froyo to take a serious shot at stemming platform fragmentation
By Chris Ziegler posted Mar 29th 2010 11:16AM
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We had a couple people at CTIA last week -- people whose words carry weight -- tell us off the record that the next major version of Android would take big strides toward stopping the ugly trend toward severe fragmentation that has plagued the platform for much of this and last year. You know, the kind of fragmentation that has already left users running not one, not two, not three, but four distinct versions of the little green guy (1.5, 1.6, 2.0, and 2.1) depending on a seemingly arbitrary formula of hardware, carrier, region, software customization, and manufacturers' ability to push updates in a timely fashion. Put simply, Google's been iterating the core far faster than most of its partners have been able to keep up.
Thing is, in light of our CTIA conversations, we didn't have an idea of how Google planned on fixing this -- until now. We've been given reason to believe that the company will start by decoupling many of Android's standard applications and components from the platform's core and making them downloadable and updatable through the Market, much the same as they've already done with Maps. In all likelihood, this process will take place over two major Android versions, starting with Froyo and continuing through Gingerbread. Notice that we said apps and components, meaning that some core elements of Android -- input methods, for instance -- should get this treatment. This way, just because Google rolls out an awesome new browser doesn't mean you need to wait for HTC, Samsung, or whomever made your phone to roll it into a firmware update, and for your carrier to approve it -- almost all of the juicy user-facing stuff will happen through the Market.
The second part of this doubled-edged attack on platform fragmentation comes from a simple reality: we're hearing that Google may be nearing the end of its breakneck development pace on Android's core and shifting attention to apps and features. By the time we get to Froyo, the underlying platform -- and the API that devs need to target -- will be reaching legitimate maturity for the first time, which means we should have far fewer tasty treat-themed code names to worry about over the course of an average year. We like awesome new software as much as the next guy, but Google's been moving so fast lately that they've created a near constant culture of obsolescence anxiety among the hardcore user base -- and in turn, that leads to paralysis at the sales counter.
How much of this strategy actually materializes -- and how effective it is at changing the direction of the platform at large -- remains to be seen, but it sounds like a promising turn of events. Considering it's been a solid five months since the Eclair SDK premiered, that's an eternity in Google years; time to shake things up a bit, we reckon.
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I the defragmentation is a great idea though it doesnt really affect me too much. Any news about new features and software fixes that may be included in froyo?
Also is there any word on smaller, sooner updates for fixes or features or are we certain that froyo will be the next ota? I've had no success searching with Google. Thanks

Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.

xManMythLegend said:
Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.
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Multitasking is a big thing for apple users but i don't think its going to convert any androider to an iphoner.
Once FroYo comes out and removes the fragmentation of android versions, google will shift its focus to developing applications and I'm sure it will soon catch up with apple's app market but with more free apps...

It seems likely the JIT will finally ship
http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/sessions/jit-compiler-androids-dalvik-vm.html
Early/leaked/(faked?) benchmarks show significant performance boosts across the board.

xManMythLegend said:
Ive heard nothing nor seen anything that makes me think Froyo will add any feature or functionality worth noting.
IMO The fact they are addressing fragmentation is a big deal. The fact they have opened up some APIs is also a big deal. But only down the road and for developers.
As for the end user The only things to really look forward to is flash and core player ((if that ever even comes out)). None of those are coming from Google.
Iphone adding multitasking is going to shift things majorly into "even" status for Apple/Android IMO.
Only ace up Androids sleeve is Flash.
Copy/paste , Gmail app , image quality , etc arent likely to be fixed or refined.
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Actually, this is a solid plan to put them right up there with Apple in terms of believability. I mean this to the common user, that it will be a completely customizable os, this might actually unleash a beast upon Apple if they do it right. Think about it, total Android domination because there will finally be a uniform operating system to work with for all manufacturers. Lastly, if true, this could mean the long awaited "catch up" for the Android market towards Apples app market. (don't understand why, more apps doesn't=good apps)

faraz1992 said:
Multitasking is a big thing for apple users but i don't think its going to convert any androider to an iphoner.
Once FroYo comes out and removes the fragmentation of android versions, google will shift its focus to developing applications and I'm sure it will soon catch up with apple's app market but with more free apps...
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One of the first things someone says (almost 90% of the time) is "it multi tasks"... when someone asks what can android do Iphone cant.
You remove that edge, you cant rely on "it does widgets".
IMO it would make people less likely to leave iphone and some that left ok with going back.
Android would then need something else thats truly big like "oh it plays Flash" to hold an edge. Considering the hardware rumors of the iPhone 4g I think its going to be desperately needed.
This is sort of the same boat Apple is in now..Android can now say "we do pinch zoom" so a big Apple + is now gone.
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Actually, this is a solid plan to put them right up there with Apple in terms of believability. I mean this to the common user, that it will be a completely customizable os, this might actually unleash a beast upon Apple if they do it right. Think about it, total Android domination because there will finally be a uniform operating system to work with for all manufacturers. Lastly, if true, this could mean the long awaited "catch up" for the Android market towards Apples app market. (don't understand why, more apps doesn't=good apps)
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Definitely not knocking the plan. Fragmentation is a bigger issue than say refining copy/paste. I just mean that unlike previous updates theres nothing to be wetting our appetites over. Unless they actually do sneak in some great refinements.

Quite interesting xManMythLegend, multi tasking was one of our strong points. Without it, Android won't have much to back it up with - other than our customization, development, open source-ness, flash, color notifications, etc. etc..
What will the new iPhone have that will make it so new exactly? Well multi tasking is quite awesome, and they probably will enable changing the wallpaper.. widgets hopefully won't make it. Hmm, I cant really rebel until I get some more information about this 4th OS...

@xManMythLegend
I apologize I wasn't really knocking you either. I was just giving more thought maybe? (question mark because idk if it's been mentioned this way)

xManMythLegend said:
One of the first things someone says (almost 90% of the time) is "it multi tasks"... when someone asks what can android do Iphone cant.
You remove that edge, you cant rely on "it does widgets".
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How about free VoiP calls forever?
http://lifehacker.com/5512444/google-voice-desktop-client-could-be-on-the-way

xManMythLegend said:
Definitely not knocking the plan. Fragmentation is a bigger issue than say refining copy/paste. I just mean that unlike previous updates theres nothing to be wetting our appetites over. Unless they actually do sneak in some great refinements.
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Im not sure it needs "great" refinements. It just needs refinement period. All those little things like not being able to adjust the font size in messaging add up. My guess is they will fix some of these things and while individually they are just little niggles, cumulatively they add up to a weaker user experience. The iphone has had hardware weaknesses for years and did at introduction but the user experience has been quite good and handsets moved off the shelf.
I have to agree that if there was anything revolutionary would would have got a whiff of it by now. My guess is however they do plug/fix/remove a whole bunch of those little niggles and this is a good thing that in total should improve the experience for the end user. The hardware aspect on the iphone appears more catch up than leap frog to me.
Proper outlook integration is a fundamental flaw in android for business users. Proper and complete syncing of outlook, both exchange and direct to desktop outlook, should be built in. I understand that google wants to lock users into their services but outlook is pretty much a standard and near ubiquitous. The lack of this one thing will lock out a large number of users at least in the near term foreseeable future. It is my hope they add this in at some point and the sooner the better.

Eclair~ said:
Quite interesting xManMythLegend, multi tasking was one of our strong points. Without it, Android won't have much to back it up with - other than our customization, development, open source-ness, flash, color notifications, etc. etc..
What will the new iPhone have that will make it so new exactly? Well multi tasking is quite awesome, and they probably will enable changing the wallpaper.. widgets hopefully won't make it. Hmm, I cant really rebel until I get some more information about this 4th OS...
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check this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=660334

mafaesto said:
@xManMythLegend
I apologize I wasn't really knocking you either. I was just giving more thought maybe? (question mark because idk if it's been mentioned this way)
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No need for apology
Landscape just got interesting. Im really curious how this freindly face slapping will effect us in the next few months and beyond.

xManMythLegend said:
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IMO it would make people less likely to leave iphone and some that left ok with going back.
Android would then need something else thats truly big like "oh it plays Flash" to hold an edge. Considering the hardware rumors of the iPhone 4g I think its going to be desperately needed...
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Android boasting they can play flash is not a OS upgrade in the least and is not something android should boast about, this is simple software. I believe froyo is going to be actual changes to the os which will bring a slightly different experience.
As for the hardware, by the time the Nexus 2 is ready to be released qualcomm would have completed their 1.3 and the dual 1.5 processors. The Nexus 2 will probably incorporate one of these.

No one mentioned the included Portable App Engine. Also should come with Duke Nukem Legend I hear

Couple things:
First of all, iPhone OS 4 isn't going to offer "true" multitasking. What it's doing is providing an API through which some of the phone's functions can be accessed by an app that is in a suspended state.
For a majority of average users, this will probably be enough. But it's not perfect multi-tasking. It's Apple's attempt to reduce the disadvantages of multi-tasking for non-techie people (apps consuming lots of CPU cycles, battery life destruction).
Second of all, there will still be no widgets which, in my opinion, is one of the primary draws for me towards Android and away from my iPhone.
Third, there will still be the major stumbling block of Apple not allowing true system integration of apps. For instance, they will never allow Google Voice apps (if they allow them in the store at all) to take over the native dialer. You still can't have a Gmail app that is charged with being the default system email app. Without things like this, there's still going to be a fundamental disconnect when customizing the system, and a substantial reason for developers to code for the Android platform.
Fourth, Apple's tight integration of hardware and software mean that, no matter what, people who want choices in their phone's hardware are going to go with Android. If I want a small, metal, unibody phone - Android has one. If I want a big ol' touchscreen and fast processor - Android has one. If I want a physical keyboard - yep, that's Android.
I don't see iPhone OS4 or the new hardware as going to keep me on the iPhone platform. Right now I'm being particularly budget-conscious, so I'm not switching immediately, but there are still a lot of advantages to the Android platform other than "multi-tasking."

binary visions said:
First of all, iPhone OS 4 isn't going to offer "true" multitasking. What it's doing is providing an API through which some of the phone's functions can be accessed by an app that is in a suspended state.
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Hmm, I wonder which other mobile OS does that...

But if i press home while the Browser is loading a page, and send a text, when i got back to the Browser it has done loading the page.
With iPhone 4 will the browser just suspend and not continue loading the webpage?

cymru said:
But if i press home while the Browser is loading a page, and send a text, when i got back to the Browser it has done loading the page.
With iPhone 4 will the browser just suspend and not continue loading the webpage?
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The iPhone OS already loads the browser in the background.

Apple OS 4 Change-Log

Apple rolls out v4.0 of their iPhone OS for dev preview and finally, multitasking will be officially available. Seems like a lot of changes in security, performance and feature updates.
1. Multitasking (apple claims that its going to be best at this, just like copy/paste). They also admit that it might make the phone's performance sluggish.
2. Phone's notification bar now shows if someone requested for its location.
3. Fast App Switching allows an app to save its session and resume from there later.
4. Drag and drop app icons in custom folders. That means you can now have any number of apps. When you run out of space, just create a folder any drag apps into them. (There is something more but i didn't make what Steve was trying to explain.
5. Unified inbox for several mail clients, including fast inbox switching to focus on a specific client. Attachments can now be opened with a third party app. Support for multiple Exchange accounts and some VPN options.
6. iBooks on iPhone.
7. More privileges to developers including interaction with calendar, photo library, quicklook etc. Over 1500 new APIs and a new framework for hardware accelerated math function (called accelerate).
8. Better gaming with social gaming network.
9. iAds, thats delivers mobile advertisements with emotions (I don't know what Steve meant by this).
10. Create playlists, 5x digital zoom, tap to focus on video, gift apps, geotagging, places in the photo app, change the homescreen wallpaper, bluetooth keyboards, spell checker etc.
There are over 100 new updates, these were the only ones revealed at the event.
Some of the features are really funny, like folders, wallpapers, playlists, geotagging, spell checker. What I don't get is that Android already supports all of these features (other than the iCraps) but new versions of Android aren't as anticipated as iPhone's OS. Seems like Google really needs some good marketing strategies.

Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...

Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?

INeedYourHelp said:
Is this coming to the current iphone or just for hte next-gen iphone?
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Its coming out for current phones this summer...

faraz1992 said:
Its coming out for current phones this summer...
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not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.

I do believe that Apples announcement is very much an update full of catchup!
Certainly pretty much all features announced android can do natively!
The problem I have and i'm by no means an apple fanboy as I have an N1 and love it sinece coming from my 3GS is that the android implementation needs to be way more polished.
Exchange support for me is a biggy and needs to be much better the HTC Desire ROM is much improved over stock google one for the N1 but still room for improvement.
I would like all my email in one exchange and gmail in one app rather than have to flick between two different apps.
but hey!

ap3604 said:
Yeah I agree.
It annoys me how much of a cult that apple has following its every move. Even if they don't come out with the best product they have so many sheep that will buy their products at the drop of a hat it doesn't matter how inferior their products are. Dunno if I would even want Google followers to become sheep like they are with Apple.
If Google did the same thing and put together keynotes / apple style events and focused on a few particular products then I could see it but there's a big difference between the two: Apple is a hardware company, Google is a advertising company. Hard for Google to have Keynotes about its Android operating system when most of the devices aren't even on the latest version.
Perhaps FroYo will change this...
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I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.

Eclair~ said:
I agree here, I don't know if I want Android to have slaves around it like Apple - those Apple fanboys tend to get irritating, and hearing Android ones wouldn't be too soothing either..
Google is hiring a marketing manager, OP, let's just hope they don't go overboard. Just enough to bring Android more into the eyes of the public.
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Yes, we need to always remind google that it does have flaws, and that it needs improve its core apps.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not going to buy a nexus 2 unless that phone wows me just like the n1 did.

jz9833 said:
not every feature. i believe they said multitasking will only be on the new version.
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multi on 3GS and the 4th gen

zachthemaster said:
multi on 3GS and the 4th gen
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No multi for 3g??? I thought it had a good processor....

@faraz1992 - Not good enough it would seem.
Looks like iPhone OS 4 is bringing the iPhone up to par with my Nokia 3330 though ;-p
Google really should advertise the Android OS. iPhones are a joke in comparison. Its taken until version 4 to be able to change the home screen?!?! UNBELIEVABLE!

Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons

bobtentpeg said:
Just sayin'
All of you complaining about fanboys, are acting like fanboys yourselves. So, umm, STFU you morons
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Ooo "stfu", you are definitely not an immature moron. This is an Android section, obviously the people here will have more interest in Android and more hate in Apple. Even if they are acting like fanboys, their statements are quite true.
This fourth OS is nothing too spectacular - many features it contains are already preset in Android, and many other phone that have been out for a while, now just because Apple is announcing it - it is seen as something of amazement..

Why is this posted in nexus forum?

Doc
Thanks for the post. A very interesting topic indeed.
Even with all the problems I've had with my Nexus One (Touch input indexed incorrectly, Phone locking up during phone calls via Google Voice) I doubt I would ever even think about switching back to the iphone much less actually do it.
That said, I believe Google could benefit greatly by adopting 2 apple iphone platform paradigms (say that 3 times fast)
1) A more rigorous app store review process. Too much crap makes it way to the Android app store in my opinion. Google should review each app to ensure it meets certain quality measurements both in interface design and "under the hood". Apple, and thus the iphone platform, benefits greatly from being able to ensure end users that any app they use from their store will work with the phone and will meet apple's very high (almost too high) quality standards. I doubt very many of us can honestly argue that apple doesn't make a product that is great to use. Apple's stuff glistens and people want stuff that glistens...or at least I do!
2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of mass consumerism but the iphone app store, because of what I said in my first item and because of what I stated in the second lends itself greatly to impulse buying or, at the very least, kills having to debate whether you feel like whipping out your credit card, keying all the information in, submitting, worrying about where your data is going, etc. etc. I can buy with confidence. And when I buy I want to be confident about what I'm getting and I want the process to be fast and simple. the iphone app store is fast and simple.
anyway, again a great topic.

DaveKid said:
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2) Funnel all payments through Google and then back out to the developers. the iphone app store again benefits greatly from the fact that any purchase you make goes through your iTunes account. You never have to try and fumble around trying to key in a credit card number directly into the phone and you can be sure you information is safe (or at least is only in one database). Simply said, it simplifies the process.
anyway, again a great topic.
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But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?

Amdathlonuk said:
But you don't have to type your CC number in to buy an app all the time?
I have my card stored on my google account I just clicked 'buy' or am I misreading your post?
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yes...my bad. It was assumed by me that we all know you don't ALWAYS have to type it in. Also, I believe there is a review process in place but again I assumed that we all know it isn't nearly as rigorous as with the iphone app store.
But I do want to add one more thing. Google should be funneling money into XDA!!!! this site and some others like it are the life blood of the android OS and it's popularization and customization. If Google were smart they would fund the development of the XDA site and get the main players involved on the payroll....(this assumes that anyone involved would actually like to be on their payroll. autonomy does have it's own set of niceties)

DocRambone said:
Why is this posted in nexus forum?
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Its posted in the nexus one forum so that we can make fun of what apple's newest update has to offer. People going crazy about this update because of features like wallpapers, folders and MULTITASKING, something that first generation android phones were capable of...

[VIDEO] We've been baking something... Something sweet.

Has anyone seen this video yet? It's posted by androiddevelopers,it looks like google headquarters,and they're putting up a gingerbread man. I think 2.3 is coming... SOON.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vskBjYc745g&feature=player_profilepage

w00t, getting closer

Yeeeeeuh. Hope it isn't just another hype.

If true, then we are more than ready for it!

wdfowty said:
Yeeeeeuh. Hope it isn't just another hype.
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Same here,I just hope it doesn't look like MiUi. I know a lot of people like it,but if I wanted an iPhone,I would have an iPhone,not a Nexus.

yay!
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msnuser111 said:
Same here,I just hope it doesn't look like MiUi. I know a lot of people like it,but if I wanted an iPhone,I would have an iPhone,not a Nexus.
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Man you don't understand miui then. The general standpoint on a design for an icon is universal. Just because the iPhone used the format first doesn't make it there's. Android is all about open and customization without too much work. IPhone doesn't offer widgets or ease of notifications. Android does. Just because miui looks like the iPhone doesn't mean it is. Miui is heavily based on backend mods. Stiff if implemented right can be a lot better than anything. I'm on miui right now and I love it. Sure its a little different but its functional for a heavy user if configured right with good placement of widgets and folders and icons.
Next time you hate on something... just don't. Everyone is working hard to bring the end user something useable and not trash. Either contribute or leech. If you leech don't comment bs like that.
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Thats great!
Also have you seen this? (attachment)
via mobiflip

bigballa said:
Man you don't understand miui then. The general standpoint on a design for an icon is universal. Just because the iPhone used the format first doesn't make it there's. Android is all about open and customization without too much work. IPhone doesn't offer widgets or ease of notifications. Android does. Just because miui looks like the iPhone doesn't mean it is. Miui is heavily based on backend mods. Stiff if implemented right can be a lot better than anything. I'm on miui right now and I love it. Sure its a little different but its functional for a heavy user if configured right with good placement of widgets and folders and icons.
Next time you hate on something... just don't. Everyone is working hard to bring the end user something useable and not trash. Either contribute or leech. If you leech don't comment bs like that.
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I understand the whole don't hate on anything idea,and I agree with it. You like MIUI,it is your opinion and thats fine. I tried it for about a week,and it has a few elements that I do like,but as a whole,it felt too much like the iPhone for my taste. And this is after having both the original iPhone and the iPhone 3g,as well as the g1,cliq,cliq xt,hd2,and now the nexus. I have used all the operating systems,and if 2.3=MIUI,My nexus is going to continue to run enomther's theofficial like it has been.

Honestly, if MIUI really did contain elements of Gingerbread (like all the rumors everyone refers to), do you really think Google would just let it slide? Why can't we all realize that these devs put in some effin MAJOR framework overhauls into froyo, and didn't steal it from Google? If I was a dev behind MIUI, I'd be PISSED if people said that.

bigballa said:
Man you don't understand miui then. The general standpoint on a design for an icon is universal. Just because the iPhone used the format first doesn't make it there's. Android is all about open and customization without too much work. IPhone doesn't offer widgets or ease of notifications. Android does. Just because miui looks like the iPhone doesn't mean it is. Miui is heavily based on backend mods. Stiff if implemented right can be a lot better than anything. I'm on miui right now and I love it. Sure its a little different but its functional for a heavy user if configured right with good placement of widgets and folders and icons.
Next time you hate on something... just don't. Everyone is working hard to bring the end user something useable and not trash. Either contribute or leech. If you leech don't comment bs like that.
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Calm down... Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. I too dislike the MIUI interface. The poster was just expressing, albiet inelligently, the reasons they do not like MIUI. That is no reason for your hostility...

Gingerbread 2.3 monday 12/6!!

It was leaked in a blog over at Notion Ink.

Can u post a link
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notionink.wordpress.com/2010/12/04/week-end-special-xi/
- 6th December is another big day for Android and you will find out how fast Notion Ink can work. (Eden is extremely compatible with 2.3)
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Is it??
Let's see ... just for 2 days waiting only

Omg who the hell is still excited about this ****. Gingerbread is going to he such w huge disappointment. All it is going to be is a bunch of bug fixes and very minor features.

true. i havent seen any evidence that this will be worth moving from a 2.2 rom at all. the stock launcher is still 100% balls, so no ones gonna use that over zeam, lp or adw. miui has (IMO) the best pull down menu, you can already get 'fancy' animations (bounce, flips etc etc) in roms.
what exactly will this add that's worth giving a crap about?
if it only came with an accelerated UI and nothing else, that would be huge, as huge as proper (i.e not the official) apps2sd.
so far it looks like it'll have new icons and that's about it. big whoop

At this point, I think Google should just bite the bullet and have a Gingerbread conference, telling us the features and say that it's going to be released some point in the future.
It's lost it's shine now, people are starting to move on from the hype because they are sick of waiting and now it can be nothing other than a disappointment.

As always, don't believe it until you got the OTA yourself. Just because some weirdo on Twitter or anybody else says so doesn't mean anything. And I totally agree with tommo123 and gibosn6594.

I really don't understand what some of you are complaining about. There's never been a Google update that wasn't an improvement over the previous one in terms of performance, features, etc.
If you would like a pretty interface, do it yourself; new icons...again, do it yourself. That's the beauty and point of a dev phone like the N1.
If you want to be told what your phone should look like and act like, join the Cupertino crowd. Nothing wrong with that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8r1CZTLk-Gk

ksc6000 said:
Omg who the hell is still excited about this ****. Gingerbread is going to he such w huge disappointment. All it is going to be is a bunch of bug fixes and very minor features.
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Obviously your still interested...Cmon you know you are..
tommo123 said:
true. i havent seen any evidence that this will be worth moving from a 2.2 rom at all. the stock launcher is still 100% balls, so no ones gonna use that over zeam, lp or adw. miui has (IMO) the best pull down menu, you can already get 'fancy' animations (bounce, flips etc etc) in roms.
what exactly will this add that's worth giving a crap about?
if it only came with an accelerated UI and nothing else, that would be huge, as huge as proper (i.e not the official) apps2sd.
so far it looks like it'll have new icons and that's about it. big whoop
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No one has seen anything yet except for a couple of minutes on a recent vid and that didnt show anything as it wasnt supposed too.
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At this point, I think Google should just bite the bullet and have a Gingerbread conference, telling us the features and say that it's going to be released some point in the future.
It's lost it's shine now, people are starting to move on from the hype because they are sick of waiting and now it can be nothing other than a disappointment.
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Lost its shine? Really?.......Really?..... So when it comes out your not going to load it right?
If anything to learn here is those that are first to complain will be first to download and say " I told you this was going to be awesome."

I still think we won't see GB until a sale date for the Nexus S is announced. I have nothing to prove that but it appears to me, from the long wait, that Google is delaying for the S to be ready and then do a simultaneous launch.

I have to agree. I was a lot more excited about this update before I started seeing the leaked videos and screenshots. Granted the 'under-the-hood' changes could be great, but I was really hoping for drastic UI improvements and so far I'm not seeing any. Installing the new Google Reader app reminded me of just how bland the user interface of android apps can be.
Could still be surprised I guess, but overall this doesn't feel like as big an update as previous ones.
I'm also starting to get bored of my Nexus One and looking at what's next and I'm getting really tired of all the manufactures throwing their own skins over out-of-date android builds. Android needs an interface that is slick enough that OEMs are happy with it as is.

SBERG117 said:
Obviously your still interested...Cmon you know you are..
No one has seen anything yet except for a couple of minutes on a recent vid and that didnt show anything as it wasnt supposed too.
Lost its shine? Really?.......Really?..... So when it comes out your not going to load it right?
If anything to learn here is those that are first to complain will be first to download and say " I told you this was going to be awesome."
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You're missing the point.

I'm definitely not moving over to Gingerbread until MIUI is updated to it. There honestly seems to be no reason to. It doesn't exactly seem all that interesting..
The fact that there will be no more banding in images is a delightful upgrade, but other than that, Gingerbread is a small graphical enhancement update not worth wasting time on. Maybe once more information is revealed I will reconsider~

gibosn6594 said:
You're missing the point.
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What point? That something that hasnt been released or fully leaked to even have a real once over has lost its shine? The fact that this thread exists is solely because it hasnt lost its shine. The fact you posted in here to say its lost its shine shows it hasnt lost its shine. So what point were you making?

I bet CM6.1 > Gingerbread.... imo

xzr3b0rnzx said:
I bet CM6.1 > Gingerbread.... imo
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Yeah but I bet CM 6.2 Gingerbread > 6.1 stable... or Stock Gingerbread
Cyanogen will make it run sweet on the Nexus, IMO.

2gooder said:
I have to agree. I was a lot more excited about this update before I started seeing the leaked videos and screenshots. Granted the 'under-the-hood' changes could be great, but I was really hoping for drastic UI improvements and so far I'm not seeing any. Installing the new Google Reader app reminded me of just how bland the user interface of android apps can be.
Could still be surprised I guess, but overall this doesn't feel like as big an update as previous ones.
I'm also starting to get bored of my Nexus One and looking at what's next and I'm getting really tired of all the manufactures throwing their own skins over out-of-date android builds. Android needs an interface that is slick enough that OEMs are happy with it as is.
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Google did not post a complete changelog yet so noone really knows which new features will come with Gingerbread.
The only thing Google really announced is that there will be some minor cosmetic changes made to the UI, so I really don't understand why so many people are now, as there are only few pictures of Gingerbread leaked, crying about the 'only' minor changes that were made to the UI, although this is just what Google announced...
I myself think that there will be some surprises, I just can't believe that Google would made such a secret about Gingerbread if there were so small changes.
However Google's Android updates actually always were quite useful.

What I don't understand is why it is taking so long to release the update if the changes are alledgedy minor.

Is Apple Better?

You tell me...
http://callip.wordpress.com/
I gave credit to the Samsung Galaxy line.

Advertising your website while trying to make people interested with the title... hmmmmmmm
smart.

The brand itself made the iphone successful..
I recommend iphone too to those whoever looking to get a smartphone, especially the ones I think are not really OS/smartphone enthusiasts..
Both android and iphone are great OS'.. It's just much simpler and refined iOS is compared to android.. I think the Galaxy s2 made it right out of all the android smartphones out there..
Thanks to its great specs and incorporation into the OS..
And also... We keep on waiting for the next iteration of android to work right.. We said that about gingerbread then honeycomb.. Lol.. Is honeycomb not that good either?

ios and android are just 2 sides of the same coin.
Android gives the user a more advanced and easily customizable interface as well as open source, minus side is stability and hardware/software compatibilty.
IOS gives you the security of a rock solid stable OS with the comfort of knowing your OS is built around your hardware, thus no incompatibility or unsupported features. downside is closed OS no source info apple controlled market and complete lack of customization.
Android = Mobile Technology Enthusiast
IOS = Business savy person, or parent, people who need to be 100% certain everything works 24/7 (or trend hopping teen)
i have an ipod touch, a galaxy S, I love both
I have an Imac and a self built windows 7 gaming rig, I love both
Mind you these are my opinions and as such yours may differ.
as a person who loves the best of both worlds i use Miui with the Vexillium Project icon set, this gives an iphonish polish and feel with the customization of android that i have grown to love.

Android is more for the tech savvy people, while apple is for people that don't really know much, with the iphone though, you don't get leaks, either your phone is supported, or its old and will forsure never get updates (apple).
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I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.

...j/k I don't live with my Momma but my wife tries to be.

One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.

GreggoryD502 said:
One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.
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MIUI an cyanogen mod
Sent from my T959 using XDA Premium App

It is also super easy to remotely brick an Iphone permanently...
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xriderx66 said:
Advertising your website while trying to make people interested with the title... hmmmmmmm
smart.
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Should I post ALL of the (what i consider pointless) threads that you have created?
How many times have I helped you?
My site has no ads and I receive no income.. I am, like always, just trying to help.
I swear XDA runs people away. I've already moved all of my guides to RootzWiki... and I am extremely close from removing myself because of comments like this.
Forgive me for linking to my blog, rather than copying/pasting the entire article.
And yes, I did try and interest people with the Title.. the title is the article's title. Shock Face.

mrrobc97 said:
I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.
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I agree.. Marcelo had an amazing comment. So well in fact he has already written an article for the blog... can't wait to post it... I suppose I will not post it here since some people get offended by it.

GreggoryD502 said:
One area where apple has a big advantage is how easy it is to change themes or customize iphones. My buddy at work has an iphone 4 and it jail broke. Thru cydia he installed something call a dream board (or something like that). Thru that he can go from theme to them within a few seconds and there are zero issues. Also its super easy to change signal, wifi icons etc... Now us android usuers know what a pain it is to change almost anything on your phone. Finding something compatible with your rom, make a back up, flash, reboot, cross fingers , say a prayer and hope everything works like it should.
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u can use the theme chooser from t-mobile on Gingerbread u cant root iphones and put custom roms on them

s15274n said:
Should I post ALL of the (what i consider pointless) threads that you have created?
How many times have I helped you?
My site has no ads and I receive no income.. I am, like always, just trying to help.
I swear XDA runs people away. I've already moved all of my guides to RootzWiki... and I am extremely close from removing myself because of comments like this.
Forgive me for linking to my blog, rather than copying/pasting the entire article.
And yes, I did try and interest people with the Title.. the title is the article's title. Shock Face.
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hey bro i was joking. i liked your article... i read them when theres a new one.

s15274n said:
I agree.. Marcelo had an amazing comment. So well in fact he has already written an article for the blog... can't wait to post it... I suppose I will not post it here since some people get offended by it.
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You can post it here. I enjoyed the article. It's different if your purpose was to sell something, but even if you had ads, it's not against the rules.
As for the topic:
My wife's sister is an apple iPhone convert to Android with the Galaxy S Vibrant. Observing her everyday dealing with the phone would come to the conclusion that the iPhone is just simpler. She had her iPhone before I met her, so I didn't get to see her initial learning curve into the smartphone arena. She often complained about the Galaxy's constant crashing, slowness, and terrible battery life. (She's the type of person who only charges once every three days). A custom ROM did not make things better, and shouldn't have to as she put it. She loves the Market and all of the nifty apps that she can download. She uses that often. She didn't have many apps on her iPhone.
It makes you think. I've found that a lot of features that I used apps for previously are built right in to the MIUI ROM and negates the use of an external app. I believe that a lot of features should be implemented into the OS, and should not require an external app, or custom ROM to access it. This is something that needs improvement. To me, an intuitive UI isn't only about being pretty, but being complete in the sense that I don't have to customize it in order for it to be fully functional.

iOS has superior apps, a superior user interface, a more battery-friendly design and superior media ecosystem (iTunes Store, etc.).
Even where the same apps exist, the iOS version is most often better.
Also, the build quality of the iPhone is superior to practically every Android device on the market. The only other smartphone I've owned that came close was the HD2 (boy has HTC gone down the ****ter since then?).
I simply can't deal with it because a 3.5" screen isn't enough for me. I need 4" at least on the screen. Anything less is not usable to me as a daily driver.

mrrobc97 said:
I think it was best said by the first comment left (by Marcelo) on your article. Marketing! They make it look so pretty, so gleaming ,so slick, so simple to use. Kids want it, teens want it, Moms and Dads want it. Marketing! Its the one luxury that its in reach of the average American. Can't have a Mercedes like that guy, can't have a mansion like that guy , but hey he has an iPhone WTF I could get that! Marketing! We are a nation of consumers who are told what we want via a TV/Internet commercial. Marketing!
Sent from a 34 y.o.guy who still lives with his Momma but owns a PS3,a Xbox,a Wii, a 55" 3D flat screen.....and two Vibrants.
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That's because it is pretty, gleaming, slick, and simple to use.
It's not marketing. Go to an AT&T or Verizon store and look at it.
It's so good, that even Samsung tried their damnest to copy the Look and Feel of it, and Android even borrowed many UI elements from iOS.
Lots of people got Vibrants preciecely because it was a 3GS look-alike with Android on it (skinned to look like iOS) and they didn't want to get AT&T's service to get an iPhone.

gamikzone said:
u can use the theme chooser from t-mobile on Gingerbread u cant root iphones and put custom roms on them
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That's true to an extent. But not every android phone can run GB. So that's not an option for everyone. Plus apple os is pretty slick right out of the box. No need for custom roms.
Bi-winning V3

In terms of build quality yes and in terms of efficiency their iOS is efficient but there phone is a nightmare for people with big hands which is why I generally see more women own iPhones and more guys own android phones

While this is all true i think google knows this an thats where ice cream sandwich comes in cant wait an gonna be open source so that mean CM8 unlike honeycomb