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Does the EVO have a death grip on the lower left too?

For Wi-Fi only. I go from 3 "bars" to one when holding the lower left corner. Has anyone noticed this? I will try and get screens showing the percentage.
Edit: I confirmed it in Wi-Fi manager. It drops instantly from 44% to 22%!
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WiFi antenna is at the bottom of the phone. Put your hand behind the bottom of your phone and aim it at your router. Note low signal strength. Remove hand. Note jump in strength. Ponder the penetration abilities of a 2.4 GHz signal. Repeat, rise.

If you cover the top half it'll lower the call signal/reception.

Award Tour said:
If you cover the top half it'll lower the call signal/reception.
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That's when you ponder the penetration abilities of a 1.9 GHz signal... unless you have 4G connected

Argh. When will they stop putting antennas where you hold the phone? Does a case fix this? Mine is naked now.
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TheBiles said:
Argh. When will they stop putting antennas where you hold the phone? Does a case fix this? Mine is naked now.
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I have a case on my phone. Its a Luxmo case and I don't seem to have a signal problem holding it.
Ill test better when I get home though and confirm.
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No problems here.
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they have to put the antenna somewhere... and the evo has a lot of antennas

We'll see this on Engadget tomorrow.
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You know if you encase the phone in 4 inches of concrete it gets no signal at all, or at least so I've been told.

Ya, I heard if its submerged in a couple inches of water it has reception problems too. Someone should test that out and let us know
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wright3d said:
Ya, I heard if its submerged in a couple inches of water it has reception problems too. Someone should test that out and let us know
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I live in a LOW signal area and I tried hold on the phone in every possible way..NO difference. Nice try tho lol

It's just the Wi-Fi, and I've had the phone since before launch and only noticed it now, so it obviously isn't that big of a deal.
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Every single phone is like this, which is why the Iphone thing was blown way out of proportion. Whenever you hold any cell phone in a certain position, it loses signal.

TheBiles said:
Argh. When will they stop putting antennas where you hold the phone? Does a case fix this? Mine is naked now.
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No. This is not a problem at all. The iPhone issue was that 2 antennas could be physically bridged. The CDMA antenna is appropriately at the top iirc. The other needs to go somewhere...
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backdown said:
Every single phone is like this, which is why the Iphone thing was blown way out of proportion. Whenever you hold any cell phone in a certain position, it loses signal.
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This is incorrect.
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So if I hold the phone upside down I will get a better signal? Sweet all we need now is an app to flip the screen 180 degree [goes to try it]..
Didn't work it was the same..

backdown said:
Every single phone is like this, which is why the Iphone thing was blown way out of proportion. Whenever you hold any cell phone in a certain position, it loses signal.
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I don't know if it was blown that out of proportion. I mean that was the typical way people hold their phones. It wasn't like they grasp the phone with two hands or something. Face it Apple made a mistake there I said it. GOD FORBID..

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No, he's right. If it weren't true, you could get a signal in a underground bomb shelter.
Edit: Meaning that if you block the antenna in the phone well enough (even with your hand), you'll experience some signal drop.

zone23 said:
I don't know if it was blown that out of proportion. I mean that was the typical way people hold their phones. It wasn't like they grasp the phone with two hands or something. Face it Apple made a mistake there I said it. GOD FORBID..
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FWIW, I could drop the signal by 1 bar on my iPhone 4 but it doesn't make a noticeable difference.

[Q] htc logo on back of phone

Hi all, the "h" from the htc logo on the back of my legend has come off. A trivial thing but annoying, it's now just an "h" shaped dent with a couple of glue holes. The metal "h" is now somewhere in Greater London
The phone's still under warranty but wondering if this was a common issue?

I have seen it before but not sure how common, try sending it back!

Well somebody already mentioned this problem. But his was the 'C'. Its not that common but it does happen.

I make up the trio - I've lost the 't' from the back of mine. It hasn't been through any major falls or anything so it's probably something they'd fix under warranty.
I've noticed mine sounds like there's something moving if I give it a fairly hard tap where the rubber around the camera is; I don't know if that's how it's always been though.

Crazy, I looked at mine after reading your post and I'm missing the h now as well. Wonder how long ago it fell off...
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PandaBurgers said:
I've noticed mine sounds like there's something moving if I give it a fairly hard tap where the rubber around the camera is; I don't know if that's how it's always been though.
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Yes! I've noticed that too since day one. The hell is it?
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YEah I have that too; I think it's the AF lens?

It's the autofocus. Same "klick" as when it is focusing on cam app mode.
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"Grip of Death"?

I took this video of my shift from my original evo. If its not as bad as the iPhone its still troubling.
What do you all think?

I tried replicating your results and haven't been able to. My signal doesn't seem to change at all regardless of how I hold the phone.

Unable to replicate.
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think someone has too much time on their hands

Mine does the exact same thing. It is pretty annoying. Probably my biggest complaint about the Shift so far.

Mine did the same as well. PArt of why I returned it

does the same thing for me as well.

There is another thread further down in general that talks about low signal issues and the antenna being in the bottom of the phone.
I figured this issue might be related to just my home but it happens every where. I am hopeful its a defective antenna otherwise I'm considering returning and going back to my Evo.
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I have updated my PRL and profile several times hoping this will resolve my issue with no effect.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CDaxhjUs9M&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Same thing happens with wifi. Maybe get a holster and Bluetooth headset? I know. I have an idea for an invention. A hat that has a holster on top for your phone. No more body blocking signals!
Another thing kinda related, the old phones with the telescopic antennas usually always outperformed phones with stub or internal antennas. I say bring back the telescopic antennas and get more bars!

I was able to replicate this quite easily on the wifes shift...however I am left handed so it doesn't effect me as much when held in my left hand...this may be a huge factor in deciding which phone I get w/ my upgrade on the 1st though
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Like the video said, pretty much all phones do it so that's nothing new. Some might be worse than others.

I still can't make mine do it, but I do know the signal on this thing is worse than my hero pretty much all the time.
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Mine seemed to be doing that at first but not consistently. This phone is definetly getting better service where I live than my old hero though
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Zardos66 said:
I still can't make mine do it, but I do know the signal on this thing is worse than my hero pretty much all the time.
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I always get horrible signal in the bathroom...lol
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I feel lucky, I seem to be the only without this problem who is also getting BETTER reception than I did with my Hero. I know someone else in my area with this phone, I'll ask and see if he's having any issues like this.

Mine will do this, but I have a very poor connection in my house. It's always on the verge of going into roaming/not having service. So it doesn't take much to lose signal strength.

ajs2677 said:
I feel lucky, I seem to be the only without this problem who is also getting BETTER reception than I did with my Hero. I know someone else in my area with this phone, I'll ask and see if he's having any issues like this.
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Hey same for me, the signal is far superior on the shift than the hero
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Damn....my phone does the same thing. I was just hoping I would be able to point and laugh at those who's phones were losing bars too....
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the5ifty said:
I always get horrible signal in the bathroom...lol
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The reception in my bathroom is so $hitty I have to use wifi.

Death Grip on SGS2 - Wireless

Just discovered that there is a death grip for wireless on the device. if you hold at the bottom close to the usb port ur wireless signal becomes weak..
been testing this with 2 apps. if i put the phone on the table the signal is 60% as soon as i hold it in my hands it drops to around 30-40% .. thats a lot
test it out ur self ..i used wifi analyzer and network signal apps both free..

I get this only when I hold the phone from the front ie palm/fingers covering home button/usbport. But who holds the phone this way? lol

i just hold it .. the normal way everyone would..

every single phone ever made will have the signal drop when you cover the antenna, especially if you are in an area with low rf. bottom line is this, does it drop a call or completely lose connection to the network? if not, then who cares?
i live in a very low signal area and my phone might show 1 or zero bars at times but it has never dropped a call or disconnected from my provider

Before this thread spirals out of control, here's a link to a Danish website that used the SGS2 as a benchmark to prove the HTC Sensation suffers from a death grip issue. I'd think if the SGS2 had a similar problem it would have caught their attention and become obvious during their comparison.
http://www.nordichardware.se/testla...are-med-hoeg-upploesning.html?start=8#content

m not complaining..was just indicating what i have found out..i knw every device has the problem.. i just hoped this beast wud not
it only seems to affect wireless. cell signal seems to be fine (not like iphone)..
the last video on that link..dats how i hold my mobile..hehe i think thats normal.. lol

xinfinityoO said:
m not complaining..was just indicating what i have found out..i knw every device has the problem.. i just hoped this beast wud not
it only seems to affect wireless. cell signal seems to be fine (not like iphone)..
the last video on that link..dats how i hold my mobile..hehe i think thats normal.. lol
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With a thread title containing "Death Grip on SGS2," especially after what happened with the Sensation, didn't you expect some sort of rise out people?

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With a thread title containing "Death Grip on SGS2," especially after what happened with the Sensation, didn't you expect some sort of rise out people?
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well couldnt find better words to describe it.. it is sort of a deathgrip.. not so bad compared to other mobiles ..but its there

I have this too, but I have had it on every single phone I've used. There is no deathgrip free phone. Like Steve Jobs said, just don't hold the phone that way.

Your holding it wrong.
Steve Jobbs
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blickmanic said:
Your holding it wrong.
Steve Jobbs
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lol.. u dont want him to sue u now.

There's a death grip on almost every wifi capable phone out
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blickmanic said:
Your holding it wrong.
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10 char

I believe apple patented the death grip for mobile phones so another lawsuit is coming to HTC and samsung and reads something like " Holding the phone in a specific manner causes signal loss " patent infraction.

After working in Tech Support for a major UK network and conducting in house tests on phones to determine "death grip", I can safely say that the SGSII (at least my unit) DOES NOT suffer from this. As stated earlier in the thread, all cellular/mobile phones show signal degradation when the antenna is covered, but only in extreme cases does this result in a signal drop so large that it can be considered detrimental to the phones operation.
Anyway, after the iPhone 4's well known issues with this so called 'Death Grip", manufacturers are extra vigilant when testing antenna placement. This makes HTC's Sensation (WiFi in Landscape) problem even more worrisome!
Anyway, just to reiterate, there is no death grip on the SGS2!!
If there was could you imagine the number and size of the threads reporting it?!
Regards.

Yeah, i also found this bug. i see the bars fade away if i turn the phone horizontal.

EarlZ said:
I believe apple patented the death grip for mobile phones so another lawsuit is coming to HTC and samsung and reads something like " Holding the phone in a specific manner causes signal loss " patent infraction.
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Holding it this way takes just one bar away, from 4 to 3. Wouldn't say its bad, since nobody actually even uses the phone like that - on normal use you won't see any difference. If it was like iPhone 4, then it could be an issue

HTC One death grip.

I was going through reviews of HTC One and came across these videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAt7CKHsNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssaf0AQdPwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ubr-Hzu894

sandeep.mjs said:
I was going through reviews of HTC One and came across these videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlAt7CKHsNY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssaf0AQdPwc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ubr-Hzu894
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No issues with that here on AT&T.

I'd say no one can accidentally death grip their Ones. I can drop one bar of each if I press the stripes hard against my palm.

californiarailroader said:
No issues with that here on AT&T.
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mikbe said:
I'd say no one can accidentally death grip their Ones. I can drop one bar of each if I press the stripes hard against my palm.
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Nice to know that.

I didn't find any death grip yet. But one thing is annoying that if you grab light proximity sensor autobrightness gets crazy (as it should be ofc)

If I have my hand at the top of the device (e.g. when holding it horizontally when watching a video) the WiFi drops from full signal to just the dot in the icon
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thom109 said:
If I have my hand at the top of the device (e.g. when holding it horizontally when watching a video) the WiFi drops from full signal to just the dot in the icon
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Mine doesn't do that, I just tried it and the WiFi signal stays as strong as ever.

My T-Mobile one is not affected with service or WiFi signal with even a TWO hand death grip.

I have never had a cell phone with such a great carrier and wifi signal.
Same router, same house, same room, my HTC One vs Xperia Arc 2k11 device get twice the bandwidth.
best phone I have ever had. No death grip, no airline crack in top, no flaws whatsoever.

grat_master said:
I have never had a cell phone with such a great carrier and wifi signal.
Same router, same house, same room, my HTC One vs Xperia Arc 2k11 device get twice the bandwidth.
best phone I have ever had. No death grip, no airline crack in top, no flaws whatsoever.
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Ditto

So if you touch a transmitter there is some attenuation?
Call the cops!

Its also only sprint HTC Ones that seem affected.

I have AT&T and when I support the phone with my shoulder... People can't hear me... And this hasn't happened only once... Multiple times. Left shoulder to ear so go figure... But sad
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cloudedhopes said:
I have AT&T and when I support the phone with my shoulder... People can't hear me... And this hasn't happened only once... Multiple times. Left shoulder to ear so go figure... But sad
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I get the exact same thing! I thought it was just me... Every time I have to tuck it between my ear and shoulder, no one can hear a word I'm saying. It's not the ideal position to hold it, granted, but it's the only phone I've ever owned that's had this problem. I'm just glad to hear it's not just something I'm doing wrong!

RevBlackie said:
I get the exact same thing! I thought it was just me... Every time I have to tuck it between my ear and shoulder, no one can hear a word I'm saying. It's not the ideal position to hold it, granted, but it's the only phone I've ever owned that's had this problem. I'm just glad to hear it's not just something I'm doing wrong!
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Can someone else check this plz so I know of I need to exchange my phone out not

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Can someone else check this plz so I know of I need to exchange my phone out not
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Are you sure your not just covering the Mic with your shoulder?
Probably the reason.
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Are you sure your not just covering the Mic with your shoulder?
Probably the reason.
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Well the mic is at the bottom... So definitely not covering it. Maybe covering the small hole on the back (assuming it's the noise cancellation mic) but that shouldn't matter... Did you try?

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Well the mic is at the bottom... So definitely not covering it. Maybe covering the small hole on the back (assuming it's the noise cancellation mic) but that shouldn't matter... Did you try?
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I'm having the same issue. Left shoulder, no one can hear me. Right shoulder, people hear me fine. I'm positive I'm not covering the normal mic.
I think it has to do with the noise cancellation mic, as that is the only difference. My guess is either it covers the mic so it can't pick up anything (and somehow that messes things up) or it covers the opening so the mic only picks up sound transmitting physically through my face (and then the noise cancellation mic is hearing mostly the same as the front mic so it cancels it out).
I'm hoping it can be fixed with a software upgrade, it's definitely annoying.

ste1164 said:
Its also only sprint HTC Ones that seem affected.
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I have a o2-One (Germany) and simply by holding it in my left Hand normally signal goes down form -85 dBm 14 ASU to -97 dBm 7 ASU.
Not that I care too much though, because that is pretty normal and not really a death grip. It' more like a little weakening grip

On EE here in the UK, phone doesn't have any noticeable loss of signal from normal use but it is possible to tightly grip it and cause signal loss.
Other than that... In normal use wifi and 4g/3G signal are much better than iPhones in the same household!