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Does the EVO have a death grip on the lower left too?

For Wi-Fi only. I go from 3 "bars" to one when holding the lower left corner. Has anyone noticed this? I will try and get screens showing the percentage.
Edit: I confirmed it in Wi-Fi manager. It drops instantly from 44% to 22%!
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WiFi antenna is at the bottom of the phone. Put your hand behind the bottom of your phone and aim it at your router. Note low signal strength. Remove hand. Note jump in strength. Ponder the penetration abilities of a 2.4 GHz signal. Repeat, rise.

If you cover the top half it'll lower the call signal/reception.

Award Tour said:
If you cover the top half it'll lower the call signal/reception.
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That's when you ponder the penetration abilities of a 1.9 GHz signal... unless you have 4G connected

Argh. When will they stop putting antennas where you hold the phone? Does a case fix this? Mine is naked now.
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TheBiles said:
Argh. When will they stop putting antennas where you hold the phone? Does a case fix this? Mine is naked now.
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I have a case on my phone. Its a Luxmo case and I don't seem to have a signal problem holding it.
Ill test better when I get home though and confirm.
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No problems here.
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they have to put the antenna somewhere... and the evo has a lot of antennas

We'll see this on Engadget tomorrow.
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You know if you encase the phone in 4 inches of concrete it gets no signal at all, or at least so I've been told.

Ya, I heard if its submerged in a couple inches of water it has reception problems too. Someone should test that out and let us know
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wright3d said:
Ya, I heard if its submerged in a couple inches of water it has reception problems too. Someone should test that out and let us know
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I live in a LOW signal area and I tried hold on the phone in every possible way..NO difference. Nice try tho lol

It's just the Wi-Fi, and I've had the phone since before launch and only noticed it now, so it obviously isn't that big of a deal.
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Every single phone is like this, which is why the Iphone thing was blown way out of proportion. Whenever you hold any cell phone in a certain position, it loses signal.

TheBiles said:
Argh. When will they stop putting antennas where you hold the phone? Does a case fix this? Mine is naked now.
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No. This is not a problem at all. The iPhone issue was that 2 antennas could be physically bridged. The CDMA antenna is appropriately at the top iirc. The other needs to go somewhere...
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backdown said:
Every single phone is like this, which is why the Iphone thing was blown way out of proportion. Whenever you hold any cell phone in a certain position, it loses signal.
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This is incorrect.
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So if I hold the phone upside down I will get a better signal? Sweet all we need now is an app to flip the screen 180 degree [goes to try it]..
Didn't work it was the same..

backdown said:
Every single phone is like this, which is why the Iphone thing was blown way out of proportion. Whenever you hold any cell phone in a certain position, it loses signal.
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I don't know if it was blown that out of proportion. I mean that was the typical way people hold their phones. It wasn't like they grasp the phone with two hands or something. Face it Apple made a mistake there I said it. GOD FORBID..

SharkUW said:
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No, he's right. If it weren't true, you could get a signal in a underground bomb shelter.
Edit: Meaning that if you block the antenna in the phone well enough (even with your hand), you'll experience some signal drop.

zone23 said:
I don't know if it was blown that out of proportion. I mean that was the typical way people hold their phones. It wasn't like they grasp the phone with two hands or something. Face it Apple made a mistake there I said it. GOD FORBID..
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FWIW, I could drop the signal by 1 bar on my iPhone 4 but it doesn't make a noticeable difference.

X10 Creaking

hello everyone
Today I noticed my x10 creaks when using the bottom three buttons and sometimes the touchscreen. I bought the phone brand new from carrier 2 days ago, does anyone else experience this? its nothing TOO serious, just quite annoying for someone with OCD like myself. What should I do?

JoLLAJoLLA said:
hello everyone
Today I noticed my x10 creaks when using the bottom three buttons and sometimes the touchscreen. I bought the phone brand new from carrier 2 days ago, does anyone else experience this? its nothing TOO serious, just quite annoying for someone with OCD like myself. What should I do?
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It is a plastic-ey phone, with many components, so there will be some creaking.. Don't think you can do anything about it, sorry

pngface said:
It is a plastic-ey phone, with many components, so there will be some creaking.. Don't think you can do anything about it, sorry
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does yours do the same?

My buttons don't make any noise. If you even hear the noise when pressing on the screen, maybe the back cover isn't fitted correctly?

Infinity1988 said:
My buttons don't make any noise. If you even hear the noise when pressing on the screen, maybe the back cover isn't fitted correctly?
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Thats what I mean, its' not the buttons that make noise, but the back cover I believe.. when pressure is applied. I checked to make sure it is fitted correctly and it is. Also I believe there is a slight creaking on the front panel as well. Is this normal?

Yup, mine makes a noise too, but its not noticeable unless you're listening for it

JoLLAJoLLA said:
Thats what I mean, its' not the buttons that make noise, but the back cover I believe.. when pressure is applied. I checked to make sure it is fitted correctly and it is. Also I believe there is a slight creaking on the front panel as well. Is this normal?
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No that's not normal. If it's only the back cover, maybe it's bend because you applied too much pressure when pulling it off. But if the front also creaks then there's something wrong. mine doesn't make creaking noises at all.

hmm. thanks to both of you for your responses. I don't know, I am getting 2 different answers. I wish I had another X10 to compare

JoLLAJoLLA said:
hmm. thanks to both of you for your responses. I don't know, I am getting 2 different answers. I wish I had another X10 to compare
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I have 2 X10s, they both make the same noise
Its not such a big problem really... you get used to it after a while
Or maybe its just a problem with Canadian X10s

Mine creaks too now, but that's after about 5 months of heavy to semi heavy use.

pngface said:
I have 2 X10s, they both make the same noise
Its not such a big problem really... you get used to it after a while
Or maybe its just a problem with Canadian X10s
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I kno what you mean, but I had iphone before and the thing was as solid as a rock. With the X10, I apply pressure I can feel some 'give' as if i am pressing the panels together, which creates the slight creaking noise. I dont even know if I could describe it as creaking, its very minor but still noticeable

When I had the black x10a it creak for me when I pressed the back button. After a few days I bought the x10I to have 3g on tmobile and it doesn't creak. Maybe its the x10a only?
I love xda app on my Xperia X10i phone =D

javagreen said:
Mine creaks too now, but that's after about 5 months of heavy to semi heavy use.
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mine to

Hey, yeh mine creaks too, its more so the side pressure of the hand squeezing the sides when in yur palm, than the force down of the buttons. Im not very satisfied with the elcheapo effect of the back cover, lol. I too was an iphone user, solid rock, but i love my x10a!

Thanks to everyone, I guess it's semi-normal, I wish it wouldnt make any noises because it makes it feel cheap

Creeking here aswell and it is actually the battery making the noice since its probably has got a tiny bit deformed in 8 months of pocket riding it is able to move somewhat in it's compartment. Everything else is solid.
And i have to really stress it to make it creek, nothing really bothering.
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^Thats a good point. Last night I was sitting on the couch and couldn't remember where I put my x10 down. I stood up and realized I was sitting on it. Not a big deal considering its a pretty cushy couch but I probably squished the battery together a bit.

I think only white ones make noise my black x10i is very solid
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JoLLAJoLLA said:
hmm. thanks to both of you for your responses. I don't know, I am getting 2 different answers. I wish I had another X10 to compare
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I know 4 people who also have the xperia x10, never heard them complaining about creaking. Never heard it either. We all have the black x10i.
Somebody here said something about a deformed battery, that could be true indeed. Lithium polymer battery's have no plastic case, they can be bend or deformed. It could be the reason your x10 makes creaking noises.

You could buy another back cover from ebay, they're not expensive.

MT4G Deathgrip

I have noticed that when i hold my phone like any regular person would i can go from 3-4 bars too 0 bars ....is anyone else having this problem?

I have yet to notice this problem or lack there of. I have a tpu case though.
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h22aboi said:
I have yet to notice this problem or lack there of. I have a tpu case though.
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I have a tpu case also....unless i have a full full signal like i do when im at work i dont have the problem but when im home i have the problem when i have like 3 bars.

Never. My tmobile signal never changes due to how I'm holding, but my wifi signal does. If I cover too much of the top like third of my phone my wifi signal is significantly lower if not gets dropped completely. It's not a common way to hold it, but when you play games in landscape it messes up quite a bit.
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This happens to all modern smart phones
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itmustbejj said:
This happens to all modern smart phones
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I wonder why this happens? Ive seen it occasionally...

I've mentioned this on another thread. If ou hold it on landscape, wrapping your index finger on top on the ear speaker, you get better reception than when you hold it in portrait.

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I wonder why this happens? Ive seen it occasionally...
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Because your body serves both as obstruction to radio waves, and as a capacitor that changes the "fine tuning" of the phone radio. The interference depends on a lot of factors.

The way I understand it is, to pass government radiation tests, they put the antennas at the bottom to less radiation is transmitted to the test "head". Another unintended consequence from your friendly Federal Government.

PERMANENTLY fix your "blown" speaker

First off this could break your speaker, do this at your own risk.
I have tested this on 2 EVO's with completely "blown" speakers, they both now sound absolutely perfect. From what i can tell, it's a lot of built up metal shavings, they weigh the speaker cone down and prevent it from making the true desired frequency.
You will need a earth magnet, or a really strong regular one will do i guess,(I used a earth mag tho)
First issue: you have to take the phone apart, from there, remove speaker,
(has been covered on youtube so go a lookin)
Now.. take the speaker, sweet diagram huh?(its late) and drop it, foam side down, from about 3 or 4 inches onto the magnet. Repeat. You will see the shavings coming off the speaker and sticking to the earth magnet.
Do it for a few minutes or until the metal shavings are all gone.
Re-assemble, click your favorite player and enjoy!!
I will try to get a tutorial on youtube soon..

u might wanna add a disclaimer as some waterhead is gonna do this and toast their evo!
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HTCRALEIGHFAN said:
u might wanna add a disclaimer as some waterhead is gonna do this and toast their evo!
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HA ha
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HTCRALEIGHFAN said:
u might wanna add a disclaimer as some waterhead is gonna do this and toast their evo!
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Done..Thanks and sorry.

Why not since you have it apart and risk damaging the speaker by screwing up the polarity of the speakers magnet just drop in a brand new speaker. They can be picked up for a few bucks.

drtdiver83 said:
Why not since you have it apart and risk damaging the speaker by screwing up the polarity of the speakers magnet just drop in a brand new speaker. They can be picked up for a few bucks.
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Im on my third speaker in a year,and who want's to wait two weeks for the speaker to get from china? Did another friend's this am, zero problems. I can see where you would think this may cause a problem, but it doesn't, Sound is restored to perfect.
Just trying to pass on what has worked 3 times for me. I would prefer fixing rather than replacing, i assume others would too.

I see this all the time at my store, especially those who work outside and around machinery.
Had one guy blow 3 in two weeks before we finally sat him down and explained in detail exactly why it was doing it before he finally wised up.

just take it to sprint they will replace it for free and do it right there

Assuming you have not disassembled it and broke the seal, and you have a warranty, and you live near a store that does service work. But besides that, yeah spot on.
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Assuming you have not disassembled it and broke the seal, and you have a warranty, and you live near a store that does service work. But besides that, yeah spot on.
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I work on Evos with broken screw seals. For the average customer, it means they've had it worked on before and the sticker wasn't replaced.

Thanks so much. after having the evo over a year and putting it on my work bench. I never thought about the metal shavings from screws getting in. Works as new

i'll give this a try soon.

This is a cool post but I really do see in the near future some idiots ruining their phones trying to open it up and pulling the speaker out
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Sunsparc said:
I work on Evos with broken screw seals. For the average customer, it means they've had it worked on before and the sticker wasn't replaced.
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Yeah the clowns at the one service shop where I live tell you to beat it if the seal is broken.
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Hope not. But I don't doubt it.
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Does this work for the earpiece speaker? My earpiece speaker just started buzzing and I can't understand what anyone with a deeper voice is saying at all.

yougivemerash!!! said:
Does this work for the earpiece speaker? My earpiece speaker just started buzzing and I can't understand what anyone with a deeper voice is saying at all.
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I don't see why it wouldn't, obviously the idea is that the earth magnet is WAY stronger than the speakers magnet allowing it to pull away the shavings, give it a shot and report back!

drtdiver83 said:
Why not since you have it apart and risk damaging the speaker by screwing up the polarity of the speakers magnet just drop in a brand new speaker. They can be picked up for a few bucks.
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Just wanted to point out that unless the speaker is part of a matched pair, reversing the polarity of the magnet will not affect the sound...

zilesx said:
Just wanted to point out that unless the speaker is part of a matched pair, reversing the polarity of the magnet will not affect the sound...
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Well it will change the entire dynamics of the intended design... therefore changing frequency, depth, and volume. Speakers are designed to push... not pull. If they pull, it will more or less push the sound into whatever it's housing is.

LancerEVA06 said:
Well it will change the entire dynamics of the intended design... therefore changing frequency, depth, and volume. Speakers are designed to push... not pull. If they pull, it will more or less push the sound into whatever it's housing is.
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NOPE!!!!!!!!!!!

Death Grip on SGS2 - Wireless

Just discovered that there is a death grip for wireless on the device. if you hold at the bottom close to the usb port ur wireless signal becomes weak..
been testing this with 2 apps. if i put the phone on the table the signal is 60% as soon as i hold it in my hands it drops to around 30-40% .. thats a lot
test it out ur self ..i used wifi analyzer and network signal apps both free..

I get this only when I hold the phone from the front ie palm/fingers covering home button/usbport. But who holds the phone this way? lol

i just hold it .. the normal way everyone would..

every single phone ever made will have the signal drop when you cover the antenna, especially if you are in an area with low rf. bottom line is this, does it drop a call or completely lose connection to the network? if not, then who cares?
i live in a very low signal area and my phone might show 1 or zero bars at times but it has never dropped a call or disconnected from my provider

Before this thread spirals out of control, here's a link to a Danish website that used the SGS2 as a benchmark to prove the HTC Sensation suffers from a death grip issue. I'd think if the SGS2 had a similar problem it would have caught their attention and become obvious during their comparison.
http://www.nordichardware.se/testla...are-med-hoeg-upploesning.html?start=8#content

m not complaining..was just indicating what i have found out..i knw every device has the problem.. i just hoped this beast wud not
it only seems to affect wireless. cell signal seems to be fine (not like iphone)..
the last video on that link..dats how i hold my mobile..hehe i think thats normal.. lol

xinfinityoO said:
m not complaining..was just indicating what i have found out..i knw every device has the problem.. i just hoped this beast wud not
it only seems to affect wireless. cell signal seems to be fine (not like iphone)..
the last video on that link..dats how i hold my mobile..hehe i think thats normal.. lol
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With a thread title containing "Death Grip on SGS2," especially after what happened with the Sensation, didn't you expect some sort of rise out people?

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With a thread title containing "Death Grip on SGS2," especially after what happened with the Sensation, didn't you expect some sort of rise out people?
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well couldnt find better words to describe it.. it is sort of a deathgrip.. not so bad compared to other mobiles ..but its there

I have this too, but I have had it on every single phone I've used. There is no deathgrip free phone. Like Steve Jobs said, just don't hold the phone that way.

Your holding it wrong.
Steve Jobbs
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blickmanic said:
Your holding it wrong.
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lol.. u dont want him to sue u now.

There's a death grip on almost every wifi capable phone out
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Your holding it wrong.
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10 char

I believe apple patented the death grip for mobile phones so another lawsuit is coming to HTC and samsung and reads something like " Holding the phone in a specific manner causes signal loss " patent infraction.

After working in Tech Support for a major UK network and conducting in house tests on phones to determine "death grip", I can safely say that the SGSII (at least my unit) DOES NOT suffer from this. As stated earlier in the thread, all cellular/mobile phones show signal degradation when the antenna is covered, but only in extreme cases does this result in a signal drop so large that it can be considered detrimental to the phones operation.
Anyway, after the iPhone 4's well known issues with this so called 'Death Grip", manufacturers are extra vigilant when testing antenna placement. This makes HTC's Sensation (WiFi in Landscape) problem even more worrisome!
Anyway, just to reiterate, there is no death grip on the SGS2!!
If there was could you imagine the number and size of the threads reporting it?!
Regards.

Yeah, i also found this bug. i see the bars fade away if i turn the phone horizontal.

EarlZ said:
I believe apple patented the death grip for mobile phones so another lawsuit is coming to HTC and samsung and reads something like " Holding the phone in a specific manner causes signal loss " patent infraction.
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Holding it this way takes just one bar away, from 4 to 3. Wouldn't say its bad, since nobody actually even uses the phone like that - on normal use you won't see any difference. If it was like iPhone 4, then it could be an issue