Database Users

Nexus One display actually not 480x800 resolution?

read this and this.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
PenTile

The comments hit the nail on the head from the Arstechnica article. It's not that it isn't 480x800 exactly but it's the way the color pixels are arranged. Effectively you still have 480x800 addressible pixels, but it's the underlying hardware that gets you that. Without actually having one in my hand to compare to the wife's 3GS I can't honestly say if the display is better or worse for the purposes of a phone.
What the article does round-about say is that it's geared for images not exactly text--basically how an AMOLED TV would be arranged. Thankfully I don't think we'll have the same issues like in the old days of text looking like complete crap on a TV (for those that remember plugging in a C64/Apple II into a TV.)
Point is, it doesn't matter how they do it, as long as in the end--to the apps and images seen on it--that it's using 480x800. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Its just a new technology, As long as 800x480 images show up as vibrantly and sharp as they do on the N1 I'm ok with it.
The possibility of driver tweaks to perfect it is icing on the cake.

I have OMNIA II and this Nexus One, both is AMOLED with 480x800 resolution.
I can confirmed is OMNIA II screen is definately better than Nexus One in term of clarity in details.
Just simply compared and you will notice image display in OMNIA II is much more sharpen and clear than Nexus One.
But not deny I believe Nexus One still is 480x800 just slightly low quality compared with AMOLED by Samsung.
But in overall, you still will definately satisfied on it with your Nexus One.
About the color banding issue, I believe Nexus One also same as OMNIA II running maybe 65k color or whatsoever, it is not 16M as you seen same color banding issue in both devices but it is ok as you can simply just reduce the banding in some image by changing the color dept from 16bit to 8bit (you can simply do this with PC IrfanView software). This will give you must better result, althought it is not perfect, always remember they is no perfect thing in this world.

the screen is 480x800
you can see that in the boot loader the size of the font ...........
in the apps and pic
this is just another .......... info

As long as my 960x800 wallpapers still work and look great, it doesn't really matter to me. The text has always been readable for me.

Wasn't everyone super satisfied with N1's display before this article was posted? or suddenly the display quality depreciated now???

Now on gizmodo.

Just comparing my Nexus with the Hero (soon to be on ebay).
And looking at the letter L for example (white on black in htc clock), the hero is indead 'clearer' when looking at the straight edges. It applies on other text with black on white as well.
This is not to confused with screen res. though. Since websites that would be 'fuzzy' and hard to read without zooming in on the Hero are perfectly readable on the Nexus.
Not quite sure if I understand the logic of that...
But the Nexus does have more information on the screen and so we pages are more readable while zoomed out.
Something to do wuth the way contasting edges merge ?
Zuber

xPatriicK said:
read this and this.
PenTile
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The main picture in the article itself is hugely misguiding... he is comparing a icon created by nexus one screen with the one that was created by an emulator on large screen. if you zoom in you camera to pixel level, on your LCD, you will not see such pure white, grey or black squares.. they will be just like N1... bands of 3 colors, RGB. The only difference is the sequence of these 3 colors in LCD and N1.
Blue LEDs have less life than others and thus, pentile pattern in N1 is designed to reduce the dead pixel scenarios. All AMOLEDs use some pattern that is different from traditional LCD pattern. Therefore, fonts will always look bad on AMOLED until different font rendering techniques are developed. How bad? Well if you have been using Win XP on LCD and never had any problems with it... you will never know the difference. It wasn't until Vista that MS enabled by default the cleartype fonts which had special algorithms for LCDs.
We already have another thread on this matter. It might be better to merge them.

Another point of note.
It's not really noticable (perhaps just slightly) when looking from a normal operating distance, say 30cm from your eyes (no I didn't measure it).
Though you might bring the screen closer for some types of activity.
Zuber

Yes I can notice the lack of completely-straight lines (aka "fuzziness" or "bleeding") if I look closely at certain text like "l" or images with hard lines. It's not that big of a deal to me though because you really have to inspect the screen to see it, and issues that this is part of the risk when buying a phone with a newer screen technology.
I do think it's a little unfair though that the Nexus gets targeted so much when other phones that will sell more (like the Desire) are using the same screen.

arkavat said:
The main picture in the article itself is hugely misguiding... he is comparing a icon created by nexus one screen with the one that was created by an emulator on large screen. if you zoom in you camera to pixel level, on your LCD, you will not see such pure white, grey or black squares.. they will be just like N1... bands of 3 colors, RGB. The only difference is the sequence of these 3 colors in LCD and N1.
Blue LEDs have less life than others and thus, pentile pattern in N1 is designed to reduce the dead pixel scenarios. All AMOLEDs use some pattern that is different from traditional LCD pattern. Therefore, fonts will always look bad on AMOLED until different font rendering techniques are developed. How bad? Well if you have been using Win XP on LCD and never had any problems with it... you will never know the difference. It wasn't until Vista that MS enabled by default the cleartype fonts which had special algorithms for LCDs.
We already have another thread on this matter. It might be better to merge them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
absolutely agree with you... over time when the text rendering and graphic rendering improves, you'll see that this "so-called issue" will disappear... just like cleartype & LCDs... this will be a problem on "EVERY" AMOLED display at this time... it's just the way this hardware has been designed... and the software is not exactly up-to-date when it comes to rendering... and yeah ppl, don't compare this to standard displays like the Hero or iPhone... text & graphic rendering for these type of screens may look sharper because software has caught up with the hardware... I doubt anyone would ever notice this if this article wasn't posted...

faraz1992 said:
Wasn't everyone super satisfied with N1's display before this article was posted? or suddenly the display quality depreciated now???
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nope! I have known about the Pentile matrix OLED displays since late '06. I'm very happy that the N1 uses this superior technology.

Superior? I haven't heard much indicating it to be superior, except maybe in longevity. Or is there something else I'm missing?

Vash63 said:
Superior? I haven't heard much indicating it to be superior, except maybe in longevity. Or is there something else I'm missing?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A lot has been written about the Pentile matrix display technology for the past several years. Samsung loved it so much that they bought the company that pioneered it a few years back.

Reading Text on Super AMOLED

I remember a while back there was an article on Ars Technica (can't link yet, but google "ars Secrets of the Nexus One's screen" and you'll find it) about the Nexus One's AMOLED screen. They talked about how the AMOLED screen technology/layout resulted in text that wasn't as sharp as on the Motorola Droid. I'm curious if this is still a concern with Super AMOLED technology, as with the Epic 4G?
I'm looking to upgrade from my Palm Pre in the next few weeks (hoping the Epic 4G is out by then), but I'm hoping to do some background research before that. I use my phone quite a bit for web browsing now, and would probably increase that usage on a phone with a bigger screen and better browser. I'm also looking forward to being able to use Kindle's software for Android. Bottom line is that I know I'll be reading a LOT of text on my phone. Super AMOLED is supposed to be incredible for pictures and video, but if it's lackluster on text, it's not as useful to me.
If any of you have any thoughts or experiences regarding this issue (if it still is one on Super AMOLED), I'd love to hear it. Thanks!

Yes, it's still an issue.

SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
[/URL][/IMG]

violinbf said:
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
Thanks for the feedback!

violinbf said:
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If that's the reason that it comes out like that, will the text be fixed when Android Gingerbread comes out? I've heard that gingerbread changes the resolution, but I don't know if that's true.

EnderTheThird said:
I checked out your "Galaxy S (Epic, Captivate etc) VS EVO Comparison and thoughts" thread and it was an excellent overview. I'm leaning towards the Evo for the larger screen and better text readability. I'm out of town right now, but when I get back home next week I might try to track down an Evo somewhere. If the Epic comes out within the 30 day trial period, I'll check it out then.
The main things tempting me with the Epic are the nicer CPU & GPU, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy regardless after being on my sluggish Pre for a year. If only Palm had been bought by someone who could have brought some of WebOS's features to Android (I think I'll miss having cards and gestures). Either way, both look like excellent phones and I'm anxious to get started with Android.
Thanks for the feedback!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..

I have a evo and do pretty much nothing but text reading (ebooks and the web). Text is very easy to read and I have not noticed any eye strain yet.
That sucks about super amoled not doing text well.
Sent from my PC36100 using XDA App

gTen said:
Visit a T-Mobile or AT&T store and look at the Captivate and/or the Vibrant..the Epic will have the same screen..once you see it you can judge for yourself...the text may not be as sharp but it may be acceptable by your use...so its worth checking..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I tried doing that at a Best Buy yesterday but someone had stolen their demo unit(s). Apparently it's one of the more ghetto Best Buys in Boston. Who knew. I'll be checking it out when I get back home for sure though.

Hmmmm.... I went to the AT&T store last week, to check out the captivate and I didn't notice any problem in reading the text personally. I haven't made the switch to a smartphone yet so maybe my eyes are too inexperienced to notice something like that, but I'm pretty sure I'll be happy with my future Epic 4G

I have the captivate and yes, text on it is not as crisp as on the droid or droid x. But is it an issue, no. On really light colored backgrounds like white or light grey, if you look hard for it, you can see some fuzziness. But on colorful backgrounds you really cant see it. I can tell you, its a beautiful screen. Overall it looks better than the droid x, which has been described as dull or drab. The colors on the S-AMOLED really pop, and the fact that its an OLED means that black backgrounds are really true black (complete absence of light).
In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.

derek4484 said:
In my opinion its the second best display available, second only to the iphone4 display.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why would you say the retena display is better?

gTen said:
Why would you say the retena display is better?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The only way the retina display is better is if you're reading text from under 10" away from your face, but then again who the heck reads with a phone up in their face? I read alot of e-books and other sites and I can tell you reading a page from a normal distance there is little to no difference.
As far as video playback and pictures the Samsung blows the retina display out of the water and by leaps and bounds is the #1 screen in the phone market hands down.

i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.

systoxity said:
i have to agree that retina display looks better in my opinion. I have pretty good eyesight so that may be why. However, it doesn't make a difference in eyestrain or readability.
I own a captivate and read ebooks on a white background regularly. Its honestly not an issue.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.

NeonMonster said:
I'm more worried about screen-burn in, which is a very big problem for S-Amoled//Amoled screens.
With less than a year's use of my Nexus One, there is a slight amount of screen burn in, which isn't really avoidable.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.

Sebrina said:
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.

Sebrina said:
Screen burn ins were only a real problem with the early model amoled screens, much like plasma HDTV the screen tech has evolved and it doesn't hurt that the Super Amoled screens are developed by Samsung which are global HDTV innovators.
Besides for screen burn in to become permanent the screen would have to be on for hours on a static image, on a HDTV I can see that happening if you fall asleep maybe but who on earth turns off their phone's screen timeout and let's the screen stay on all day chugging battery life? That just won't happen.
I'm FAR more worried about the phone's future in regard of updates than I am of screen burn in on a mobile device. Not to mention you have a warranty which 100% covers such a thing as screen burn in and if you do happen to burn in a screen it usually happens sooner rather than later.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It is not possible to have permanent screen burn in..as for temporary one...even LCDs state not to keep the same image on for too long to avoid temp burn-ins...
As for updates...we are not sure how much of a bone Samsung will give, but at the moment, event the Sprint Moment has gotten a Foyo 2.2 by the community.

violinbf said:
SAMOLED Pentil subpixel layout makes text look jaggad compared to LCD. The reason for this is that the true addressable resolution of SAMOLED displays is not 480x480 but 393x653. This is the one drawback of this display. See my other posts where i compared the LCD of the EVO vs the Galaxy S. Additional problems are screen burn in and poor power consumption for mobile devices. Text on white backround (web browsing, document viewing) consumes 330% more power than LCD. The color saturation, contrast, black level, and viewing angles are stunning though.
[/URL][/IMG]
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?

blakehess11 said:
I wouldn't be worried about that if I were you. The Galaxy S series is on all four major US carriers and will undoubtedly get a pretty large hacker following, so even if Samsung does stop updating the Galaxy S phones, there will always be cyanogenmod or many other custom ROMS. And if you're posting here, rooting your phone and installing a custom ROM shouldn't be a huge deal.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?

kgold708 said:
Is that 330% more power figure accurate for the GS screens, I was under the impression that they are different than all previous devices? I read a lot of text in my personal usage. I wonder if an app could be developed to make all white pixels black and black white? Although white text isn't ideal if it amounted to 350% power savings my eyes/brain could adapt eventually?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well that is for the regular AMOLED screen...the Super AMOLED screen would most likely be around like 260% for that..but you gotta realize that your screen will never be FULLY pure white like that...the next revision of Super AMOLED(for 2011 plans to go RGBW to fix that).
Either way you'd never have so much white on the screen for it to waist that much energy...
christophocles said:
I heard that samsung encrypts the hardware drivers so it's not very easy to port new android versions.. Is this not an issue?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It does not make it easy but not impossible...if they release a Galaxy S 2 in the future with Gingerbread or any other phone with it and don't do Gingerbread for Galaxy S..with some effort it would be possible to port it...

Anyone want to trade? My AMOLED for you SLCD?

i prefer the look of the slcd and was wondering if someone wants to trade? I live in houston, tx and im really looking local. i have a fresh refurb from HTC repair center.

You got a fresh amoled from HTC just recently? Good luck with trade.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

why? what do you mean?

navillos said:
why? what do you mean?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't know if they still gave out amoled replacements. I thought they might mostly be slcd

eallan said:
I didn't know if they still gave out amoled replacements. I thought they might mostly be slcd
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you send in a AMOLED you should receive an AMOLED back and vise-versa.

mempf said:
If you send in a AMOLED you should receive an AMOLED back and vise-versa.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
exactly. i tried to get them to send me a slcd for a replacement but, ultimately the repair center i guess calls the shots.

navillos said:
i prefer the look of the slcd and was wondering if someone wants to trade? I live in houston, tx and im really looking local. i have a fresh refurb from HTC repair center.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok, i need to ask, how the heck do we tell if we have the amoled or slcd version? Because I really want to know.

spbeeking said:
Ok, i need to ask, how the heck do we tell if we have the amoled or slcd version? Because I really want to know.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
that's easy, look at the screen hehe
I don't know about the technical way... but there is a simple way... load a black backround.. and if it's not totaly black and you see a washed out black then you have a SLCD, if it's totaly black then it's a AMOLED.
You could probably see in settings or something.

{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
How anyone can "prefer" the look of SLCD is interesting, I gotta admit. Are there some alternative motives here?

Eclair~ said:
How anyone can "prefer" the look of SLCD is interesting, I gotta admit. Are there some alternative motives here?[/QUOTE]
Because this is not the only difference.
Amoleds use that pentile pixel pattern, have noticeable gaps between pixels, drain huge amount of power on black text on white background, grossly over-saturate and poorly manage colors, burn in.
So it comes down to your personal preferences. There are a lot of people who are seriously irritated by pentile "drizzle" around small text or that grainy pixellated look due to the big gaps between pixels but don't give a damn about those huge viewing angles or deep blacks which you will distinctly notice only in the night anyway.
So I am also seriously thinking about trading my amoled nexus against another one with slcd.
The amoled advantages are simply irrelevant to me, but the disadvantages really "hurt".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

I'll give you a point on the text..
BUT
Amoled
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
- has better colors
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
- big gaps between pixels? you usually have microscope goggles on when you operate with your phone?
- it does a little better in sunlight
if you get a Swap for your phone then it's ok do whatever. If you're thinking of new phone wait for the uber named.. lol : Super AMOLED Plus screens

mkrmec said:
I'll give you a point on the text..
BUT
Amoled
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
- has better colors
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
- big gaps between pixels? you usually have microscope goggles on when you operate with your phone?
- it does a little better in sunlight
if you get a Swap for your phone then it's ok do whatever. If you're thinking of new phone wait for the uber named.. lol : Super AMOLED Plus screens
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't consider myself having good vision and the gaps between pixels and orange-red dots on the edges of white text were visible to me the first time I turned on the phone. It's grainy but still better than the iPhone 3G.

mkrmec said:
I'll give you a point on the text..
BUT
Amoled
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wrote about black text on white background. I.e. typical web page or email, where black pixels typically are in single digit percent area. In this case amoled easily consumes more than double of the LCD power.
Watching movie is very different, where average pixel luminance is just a fraction of that.
If you want technical details look here, around the page 17:
http://data.4dsystems.com.au/downloads/micro-OLED/Docs/4D_AMOLED_Presentation.pdf
Don't know about you, but I almost never watch anything more than random youtube clip once in one or two months. So this advantage is totally irrelevant to me.
But I often use my email or read something up in the web, so that power consumption really hurts. It is actually the difference between "oh, ****, battery is already empty and I have two more hours to go" and "enough for a work day".
- has better colors
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If over-saturated is better to you then yes. And no if someone prefers natural colors.
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Really? I never had a burn in on any of my LCD's. And I got first traces of burn in on my Amoled after a month of careful use. Never set to 100% brightness, never left "on" for extended amounts of time.
- big gaps between pixels? you usually have microscope goggles on when you operate with your phone?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I do not need any googles, I see those distinct pixels at a normal viewing distance (like 30-40cm). They are apparent enough to be noticeable every time I look at the screen. Every homogeneous area has that weird grainy texture. And I have just a normal vision.
- it does a little better in sunlight
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Actually both are rubbish. But not due to the screen technology, but due to that silver glossy layer under the glass (digitizer I suppose).
if you get a Swap for your phone then it's ok do whatever. If you're thinking of new phone wait for the uber named.. lol : Super AMOLED Plus screens
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
They need to show first that they are any better in my usage scenario.

Well SLCD tends to look better in the sunlight, but AMOLED's colors are much more accurate (especially blacks, which look a lot like blues on SLCD).
Super AMOLED is the best of both worlds - decent performance in direct light, great, vivid colors. Too bad only Samsung's Galaxy S phones have SAMOLED displays.

Hopefully super amoled plus will be the best of all worlds. No more pentile
Good to know ill get an amoled version in exchange.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

had mine returned last week after broken amoled screen, with an LCD screen.
this was in the UK though. i'm just as happy with the LCD

draugaz said:
I wrote about black text on white background. I.e. typical web page or email, where black pixels typically are in single digit percent area. In this case amoled easily consumes more than double of the LCD power.
Watching movie is very different, where average pixel luminance is just a fraction of that.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We know the differences between the technologies. What he's saying is that real world testing has shown otherwise. Engadget tested two Desires and the Amoled had better life. They even swapped batteries between the two phones and got the same results. There was another tech blog who tested Desires and found the same but its name escapes me right now.
Sent from my Nexus One using XDA App

eallan said:
Hopefully super amoled plus will be the best of all worlds. No more pentile
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Remains to be seen.
For example, the Nokia N8 has such a amoled display without pentile matrix. As far as I know produced by Samsung.
If this is an indication of what is coming, then I am not impressed. The color drizzle is gone, but weirdly enough there is a distinct red glow on the right side on the letters (white text on black bacground).

Well SLCD tends to look better in the sunlight, but AMOLED's colors are much more accurate (especially blacks, which look a lot like blues on SLCD).
Super AMOLED is the best of both worlds - decent performance in direct light, great, vivid colors. Too bad only Samsung's Galaxy S phones have SAMOLED displays.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Blue instead the black on SLCD screens?
Is it some kind of joke?
SAmoled looks better in the sunlight, have no "view angle" and got true black.
But about colors - I dont think SAmoled got the accurate colors. Images/photos on SAmoled looks like they got 200% contrast.
I prefer SLCD.
- uses less power than SLCD (there was a test with 2 Desires 1 amoled 1 SLCD... it played a movie over and over amoled won the race by a few hours of playtime)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because they tested it with the movie, which probably got a lot of dark scenes. Super Amoled very good with black color that doest eat the battery, but on full-white scene it consumes about 800mw. LCD - doesnt matter if it black, red or white - power consuming always about 240mw.
Notice that i talking about Super Amoled, because i didnt find any power test of standard amoled and as i know Superamoled is more power efficient than just amoled
Since almost all websites, sms screen and a lot of other things (MIUI rom for example, its almost complete in white) uses white background with black text, not a black background with white text, SLCD will be more better.
- has better colors
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think LCD got better colors
- SLCDs have burn in too if you leave it on too long just like AMOLED
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sony Super-LCD is kind of LCD screen, not an OLED. How it can burn?

draugaz said:
Because this is not the only difference.
Amoleds use that pentile pixel pattern, have noticeable gaps between pixels, drain huge amount of power on black text on white background, grossly over-saturate and poorly manage colors, burn in.
So it comes down to your personal preferences. There are a lot of people who are seriously irritated by pentile "drizzle" around small text or that grainy pixellated look due to the big gaps between pixels but don't give a damn about those huge viewing angles or deep blacks which you will distinctly notice only in the night anyway.
So I am also seriously thinking about trading my amoled nexus against another one with slcd.
The amoled advantages are simply irrelevant to me, but the disadvantages really "hurt".
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You have LED Displays confused with Plasma displays lol.
Plasma runs on gas fumes that burn images to its screen if its used in the same area for too long.
LED OLED and AMOLED are perfect battery savers especially on black bacgrouns and with black text it saved loads of battery.

The Best Tablet Display

I just found this article written by someone who knows his stuff.
http://gizmodo.com/5824807/the-best-tablet-displays-ipad-2-just-got-dethroned
I disagree with him though as I believe the transformer has a better and brighter screen than the Ipad 2.

I have both side by side and the iPad2 is clearly brighter at max, dimmer at min, and less reflective...

Any one else notice that this page has a caption next to the results: "Click to embiggen chart" ?
How can I take an article seriously if they use words that were made up on an episode of The Simpsons. I guess they would argue that their usage was perfectly cromulent.

The best one is the one that fits your eyes.

+1
aibo said:
The best one is the one that fits your eyes.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Right, I almost never use max brightness.
Also Transformer has 1.3 times more the number of iPad 2 pixels.

This guy knows his stuff, so I'd not be inclined to argue with him. However, I'll say this: the screen on my TF is outstanding, regardless of whether or not some other screen is better. It's like cars: I love my Infiniti G37, even though there are demonstrably better-performing cars available. And indeed, one of the things that I love about the G37 is that I paid $15K less for it than the equivalent BMW, and have 95% of the performance. That's an equation that I can live with quite happily...
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

ive seen other review of the screen(cant remember where) by a guy who knows alot about photography, he did all this measurement on the color and white balance on the k scale, and has said if your into professional photo applications the transformers screen is the best as it produces very accurate colors, also samsung had put a screen driver ontop of the tegra 2 one to over saturate colors to make the screen appear more vibrant but if your looking for image accuracy its a bad screen for that

krispy1 said:
ive seen other review of the screen(cant remember where) by a guy who knows alot about photography, he did all this measurement on the color and white balance on the k scale, and has said if your into professional photo applications the transformers screen is the best as it produces very accurate colors, also samsung had put a screen driver ontop of the tegra 2 one to over saturate colors to make the screen appear more vibrant but if your looking for image accuracy its a bad screen for that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I have done measurement of the transformer and iPad and find that both units have some inaccuracy, but are pretty close to the actual values when displaying a sample color panel. I would give a nod to Transformer for warmer (red and orange) colors and the iPad to colder (blues) colors. Both are miles more accurate than the Samsung which is dramatically over saturated.

My iPad's screen is too warm, and my TF's screen is too cool.
It's a bit frustrating.

krispy1 said:
ive seen other review of the screen(cant remember where) by a guy who knows alot about photography, he did all this measurement on the color and white balance on the k scale, and has said if your into professional photo applications the transformers screen is the best as it produces very accurate colors, also samsung had put a screen driver ontop of the tegra 2 one to over saturate colors to make the screen appear more vibrant but if your looking for image accuracy its a bad screen for that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, the color accuracy is great on this screen. It almost makes it painful to go back to my laptop.

Never have thought the TF had the best screen, way too many issues with light leak to even be considered. It looks aight though.

darkonex said:
Never have thought the TF had the best screen, way too many issues with light leak to even be considered. It looks aight though.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The Ipad is known for having light lead issues as well; it seems to be a "feature" of IPS panels. That does nothing, however, to detract from the fundamental quality of the screen when any light leakage isn't apparent (as in 100% of my own use, since I might have leakage but haven't even noticed it).
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using Tapatalk

Dorkington said:
My iPad's screen is too warm, and my TF's screen is too cool.
It's a bit frustrating.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Tablets really need to have color profiles and brightness and contrast like you do on a Mac or PC. Then you could use a hardware calibrator to create a customize profile for the specific of your own display. I do this on all my laptops and desktop monitors and the results are very nice. The only downside is the calibrator hardware and software cost $250+.

i just had my screen replaced under warranty by asus for a white spot (backlight leak).
unless i'm imagining it, the new screen seems to be warmer and not quite so bright as the one it replaced
but it also has zero light bleed at the edges where the old one had quite a bit.
perhaps they're now using a different panel than when i first bought my b60 tf101 a year ago.
has anybody else noticed any variation in screen brightness/ colour between units?

theabsurdman said:
i just had my screen replaced under warranty by asus for a white spot (backlight leak).
unless i'm imagining it, the new screen seems to be warmer and not quite so bright as the one it replaced
but it also has zero light bleed at the edges where the old one had quite a bit.
perhaps they're now using a different panel than when i first bought my b60 tf101 a year ago.
has anybody else noticed any variation in screen brightness/ colour between units?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah Asus replaced mine too because it didn't wanna turn on. The new screen is magnificent no light bleed and yeah Asus Sammy and apple have the best screen
Sent from my HTC Sensation 4G using xda premium

I can't complaint as asus renewed my screen cause of back light leaking. Im told that apple always use too many pixels looking at there screen resolutions.
/offtopic
The battery capacities these days! Amazing !!
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
[/URL] Uploaded with ImageShack.us[/IMG]

I have TF101 (mid level bleed issues, I can live with them given I rarely run full brightness, never need to), iPad 1,2,3, A500, Nook Color, and a few others. IMO, ALL of the IPS displays are great, and more than safisfying. I don't compare them because I don't see the point, they are all way more than "good enough" for my and my family's casual use. If you are using these for photography or similar "on the road" and color accuracy is a concern, then you should probably get a Macbook or even better the new asus zen gen2 (which beats even the MAC displays for accuracy, check out Anand's review on the new Zen Ultrabook, drool ). My main point is, as long as your display makes you happy, who cares if there is another one out there that is better . If you are researching for a purchase on the other hand, be realistic in what your uses are going to be and read reviews that cover those uses along with reliability and customer support quality, see if you can borrow one or check one out somewhere, and let your budget and your eyes be your guide, and you will be happy with what you get.

How is THAT screen?

I created this thread specifically for all the members to talk about the new 2k screen of the LG G3. The screen is the most important feature of the LG G3 and it is what LG brags about the most. For many of us including me, the screen will be the deciding factor of whether we buy the phone or not.How does the new 2k display panel perform in real life situations compared to other high end phone display panels like the Galaxy S5 or HTC One M8? Let's have a nice dedicated thread to the most important feature on this phone.
Ideas to talk about:
•Contrast levels
•How your content looks on it
•Your thoughts of it compared to the previous display you had.
•Any weird issues? (Screen interlacing, ghost issues)
•Color production
•Do you find it nice and worthwhile?
•How are those BLACK LEVELS (Important!)
•Any heat issues with the screen?
•Good high and low brightness levels?

All of the above... Thinking of upgrading from a nexus 5...
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!

Spewy1 said:
I have seen a couple of reviews that say the max brightness is quite dim. Can someone who owns one confirm if this is true?
The G2 has the best display I have ever had and I don't want to downgrade to a duller screen (I am not bothered about the high res as the G2 has enough res. I want bright and vibrant!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)

And ffs please, reviewers, don't simply declare that you can't distinguish individual pixels on 1080p as well as 2k and then conclude from that that the extra resolution doesn't make a difference. The question is: how do you subjectively experience visual items in 2k vs. 1080p--images, text, UI items, etc.. Past 325 dpi, a pixel is not an item, so it's irrelevant that you can't see one. Tons of those online reviews provide what the reviewer thinks their impression of the screen must be instead of the reviewer providing their true impression.

Canard caché said:
Go to s5 ^^ it's too bright and too vibrant :laugh: (^^)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't like the s5. Various reasons but mainly the cover over the charging port and overall design.
I love my g2 but need more memory (64gb minimum). I am worried about the screen on the g3 but the reviewers all focus on the resolution but I want to hear from real users about the real world experience of the screen.
Many thanks in advance for any input from owners of the phone.

Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/

That cover on the S5 (my wife has one), is for water proofing and easily ripped off.
Personally, I could use a screen with less pixels and longer screen-on time. I consider the screen resolution to be a minus. My preference is less pixels and make it a 6", like the HTC One Max I just returned after a week.

liqn7 said:
Great Arstechica review as usual
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/06/lg-g3-review-a-great-phone-with-way-too-many-pixels/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
Even at point-blank range, it's hard to resolve a single pixel. 1080p screens are also beautiful, though, and when looking at the two, side-by-side, we aren't convinced the jump to 1440p is necessary. More pixels only matter if you can see them, and on a ~5-inch device, it's almost impossible to tell the difference between a 1080p screen and the 1440p screen of the G3.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.

Jimmy34742 said:
Can't agree with you there. They did the same move as all the other reviewers where they presume that the inability to distinguish individual pixels automatically means people can't see any overall difference in image quality:
That's why I asked above that any reviewers here avoid that particular groupthink and tell us how they actually experience 2k vs. 1080p.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?

Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that

hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How can you?

theraker007 said:
I think the most important caveat is that hardly any apps will be optimized for 2k display when the phone finally arrives.
HAving said that, kind of hard to judge don't you think?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's logical. But so is the idea that the human eye can't distinguish pixels at a density greater than 326dpi. So, yeah, it comes down to subjective judgment calls. In that case, I'm interested in the subjective point of view of people who actually have one of these devices and their actual experience. We already know how do deduce logically what everyone's experience must be, and all the reviews I've read only do that. Images and text may appear sharper at a given distance from the eye in a way unrelated to whether or not you can distinguish an individual pixel.

The LG G3 has the best smartphone display I've seen: It's sharp, but it's also bright and has great color. The colors don't pop quite as much as on some of the better SuperAMOLED screens I've seen (such as on the just-announced Samsung Galaxy Tab S), but the sharpness is off the charts.
Comparing the G3's display to the one on the HTC One M8 (my current favorite Android phone), I felt the LG's was just as sharp, and a few details — such as drop shadows in Evernote — stood out slightly more. And even though colors weren't as vivid as on the HTC, the G3 had more natural skin tones
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
From Mashable's review. Everyone's eyes are different I guess.
Contrast was superb. Black text on white background — one of the most essential things a smartphone, or any display, needs to get right — really stood out. The ultra-sharp characters nearly jumped off the screen, and I couldn't discern individual pixels, no matter how close I put my eye to the screen.
So the LG G3's Quad HD display is more than just hype. But only a bit. There's nothing wrong with the HTC One M8's screen — or the Samsung Galaxy S5's or the iPhone 5S's for that matter. They're still mighty sharp, and can display great images, just not quite as sharply or as impressively as the LG G3.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
---------- Post added at 06:59 AM ---------- Previous post was at 06:24 AM ----------
hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}

I truly hope that the screen is great on this phone but I can't wait any longer and have just ordered an S5. I have waited for all the flagships to come out this year and was truly hoping that the G3 would be the one. Two of the most important things to me are brightness and battery life and I'm worried that with the G3 I would end up having the brightness cranked all the time and would have poor battery life as a result. Really wanted to try LG this time but lost my nerve
Tapped it!

hamad138 said:
Contrast and black levels are bad , i can garantee u that
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.

helikido said:
Seriously? Those are much more important then resolution to improve upon.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
yes but not for marketing.

I'm most concerned with the viewing angles, black levels, contrast, and color accuracy. I'm definitely getting the G3 but I really don't want to have to play the panel lottery. I'd prefer a warmer display over a cooler display - as long as it's not noticeably pink/green/blue, I'm fine. A slight yellow/orange tint is okay, but obviously a calibrated display would be the best. My black Nexus 5's viewing angles aren't great, with the screen washing out at 30+ degree angle. My buddy's white Nexus 5 seems to have better viewing angles, so I'm not sure what the deal is. I'm pretty confident in LG's ability to produce good displays -- they pretty much made this phone just to show off their new display.

Actually, I'm now concerned about the narrowness of the bezel. Yes, it's a cool feature, and everyone dreams of a bezel-less phone, but I already have problems due to the narrowness of my S4's bezel. When I'm holding my phone for an extended time, referring to notes while speaking to people, my grip often gets interpreted by the system as a touch and hold. That pops up a dialog that I have to dismiss, and it's really obtrusive in real time situations. Sure, I could be more careful, but it's just too easy to make that problem happen during normal usage. It's not like I have big fat hands or a weird grip or anything. I've already been thinking that when we finally get bezel-free phones, there will have to be utilities to create a non-reactive border of pixels in a user-specified width, or else the user will accidentally be popping things up all over the place. At present, though, I think the G3's large size and tiny bezel are actually going to make it difficult to use the way I want to use it even though it's hardly bigger than my S4. You never know until you actually use it for a few days and try to adapt, but there's no way to do that without buying it, which I'm now hesitant to do.

You're holding it wrong ☺
Sent from a mobile Gadget...