Hello everybody, this is my first post on this forum although I am following it for a long time (WinMO and also happy owner of an HTC Desire).
I recently bought a second phone, a Wildfire (new with the stock 2.1 ROM on it) and have few questions about it that I could not figure out in the last few days by reading the forum.
Ok so everybody knows that the stock 2.1 ROM is kind of bad, but
1)how is the 2.2.1 official release?
If I upgrade it then hboot will upgrade as well to ver.1.01 and bye bye S-Off.
2)Is it possible to first root it plus S-Off and then put the 2.2.1 official release on it?
3) will this change the hboot and block it again?
I ask all of this because I like the sense interface in htc phones. I know Jokerdroid ROM exists and uses sense and is really good.
4) In this case is it worth even trying official 2.2.1?
5) What other ROMs using Sense are there available?
Thank you everybody for help!
And sorry but I could not find the answers anywhere, but hope this thread will help others as well.
1) No difference, except updated HBoot with increased security, WiFi hotspot and Froyo Apps2SD
2) Probably, but I dunno why would you want to do that. Safe Flash ZIPs are much better, since they are the same as the official 2.2.1 release, with just the updated bootloader removed.
3) If you root and put official 2.2.1, it will be blocked. But, if you get S-OFF (Using an XTC Clip, presumably), it wont be blocked, since that S-OFF is permenant.
4) Absolutely not. There are more complaints than benefits, on this forum itself.
5) Too many to list. See here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1029318
Allex_master said:
1)how is the 2.2.1 official release?
If I upgrade it then hboot will upgrade as well to ver.1.01 and bye bye S-Off.
2)Is it possible to first root it plus S-Off and then put the 2.2.1 official release on it?
3) will this change the hboot and block it again?
I ask all of this because I like the sense interface in htc phones. I know Jokerdroid ROM exists and uses sense and is really good.
4) In this case is it worth even trying official 2.2.1?
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1). Even if u won't upgrade to 2.2.1 , there is no free S-OFF solution for wildfire yet (even for the 2.1 wildfire). Alpharev for wildfire is yet to be released. Almost all the wildfires u see S-OFF are done with paid xtc clip. And there is no software root solution yet for hboot 1.01 with S-ON.
2). Again how is S-OFF possible. If u mean it by xtc clip, u don't need to worry at all. Once done with xtc clip, u can do anything u want.
3). Again when done S-OFF with xtc clip, no blocking at all.
4). My suggestion was don't ever try upgrading to official froyo. And if u want to S-OFF by xtc clip, u can try. But personally i won't recommend u to upgrade to official froyo, and certainly i wont recommend u to go with xtc clip in a situation like this. Having a new 2.1 wildfire at the moment is really lucky. Just root with unrevoked and enjoy custom roms. Everyone of us will soon have S-OFF by alpharev.
And u know what, regarding free S-OFF solutions , the ones with hboot 1.01 have only alpharev x option (its also the root solution for these) but the ones with hboot 0.80 have both alpharev 2 and alpharev x option. Suppose, if alpharev x is released earlier (may not be), those with hboot 0.80 can upgrade to 1.01 and use it.
So practically in my case there is no need to change it to S-Off. I thought Unrevoked does this anyway.
So then why is it necessary to have S-off?
if you can root on hboot 0.80 without having S-off?
Sorry I am really confused now.
Allex_master said:
So practically in my case there is no need to change it to S-Off. I thought Unrevoked does this anyway.
So then why is it necessary to have S-off?
if you can root on hboot 0.80 without having S-off?
Sorry I am really confused now.
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Actually the point that S-OFF is highlighted for wildfire these days is just to have custom roms on hboot 1.01 (because it is hightly protected and not yet rootable)
The unrevoked for previous hboot 0.80 uses an exploit to push the custom recovery and also push the required root files (like su binary) into the system folders so that they will be re-locked in the system folders giving su permissions to the user. But this kind of exploit is not yet made for hboot 1.01 . So it is unrootable with software methods. The only present way to root it is to disable the nand protection by xtc clip (thus making the system folders writable).
And of course s-off has lot advantages over just rooting. S-OFF skips the signature check of files to be updated. Can change the splash screen. Enables the fastboot extended commands. etc..,
edit: And no. Unrevoked forever is not present for wildfire to make it S-OFF (even for hboot 0.80)
OK Thanks! That is clear for me now. I will give a try to few custom ROMs in the next few days.
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Android Phone Info
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.76.0007 (SAPP10000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-6.35.07.29
Background
I bought my HTC Magic in Singapore (through SingTel) about 6 months ago. About a month ago I used the HTC software ROM update to update my HTC Android 1.5 to HTC Sense UI 1.5 (NB: the android firmware version remained the same but I am now using HTCs Sense UI).
I finally decided to root yesterday and since then the problems have begun!
Just so things were "clean" I restored my phone to factory settings. However, I cannot figure out how to go back to the stock 1.5 (ie. the one that DOES NOT use Sense UI). So, now I am on a basic (without any modifications) version of Sense UI.
One-Click Method
I then tried this to root my phone with the 1-click method
When I click on “Backup recovery image” I got the “Failed” message. So, I clicked on the hidden asterix and tried to flash the image but I got the same message again. Essentially, this did not work for me. I posted on the comment thread (just yesterday) but have not gotten a response on it yet.
Method on XDA Forum
Then I looked around and found this more "complicated" method and found an HTC Sapphire Hacking wiki post which seemed easy enough to follow.
I generally use linux but just to be sure I followed the guide to the letter I booted up XP.
Everything worked fine until I got to this command: C:\AndroidSDK> fastboot boot recovery-rom.img
I got the following error message: fastboot failed, remote: not allow
Solutions?
I have looked all over this forum and a few others and have found this can be because of the "perfected SPL", however, as far as I know my SPL is 1.76.0007 and NOT the 1.33 "problem" SPLs.
I have NO idea what I should do now. I really want to root my phone but I am completely stuck as the simple method does not work, nor does the "complex" method
Any help on this matter would be very much appreciated
HTC Magic 32A
The same issues with me, i am currently stuck with the Sense UI with no way to root my magic and i have tried everything possible.
If you find a solution please do let me know
Is yours singtel? I think the updated Sense UI rom may have blocked it. I can't find a way of getting back to the stock rom.
I am not sure if it is singtel, but when I first got it before installing the sense rom, the boot screen says AirTel. I am not sure if this is the same but that's what I see.
There is nothing wrong with the Sense UI rom but I just need to have root.
Anyway I will keep looking for solution because I am sure that one of these developers will eventually find a way to root but till then I might just get the nexus one. From what am hearing and reading the phone is pretty simple to unlock and root.
Don't really want to buy a new phone just to root!
Airtel may be from India
Yeh, I think it is from there because I few forums I have visited mentioned India.
Well am not only getting the nexus one for the root capabilities, is just that the performance of the phone is amazing and I am a loyal fan/customer to HTC and Android and I cant wait to have one of that bad boy for myself.
perfected spl me thinks
Do you think? But, I thought it was only certain 1.33 builds?
Can no-one help with rooting my phone?
I have the weekend and I'd be willing to try something complicated.
Actually Singtel has given 12gb free data per month which means that wifi tethering is a really reasonable option and I want to set this up. Hence, I would really like the ability to root my phone.
There's (as for now) no way to root that SPL.
yeah same here,im also from singapore and having problems rooting.
could one of you technology gurus help us out?
seems like a waste if we cant root this phone =(
Wouldn't say it's a waste haha. But, I would like to use 1.6 (and then later 2.1) and also perhaps use tethering and other cool features!
PurpleFries said:
This is how i got mine working from perfected spl->custom rom
If you want a different rom, dont follow the last 2 links, and find whatever you want to flash, after the first 2 links you will have a non-perfected spl and be able to flash whatever your heart desires.
There are easier ways to do this if you are not running windows 7. Apparently theres a way using htc sync, but i cant get it working, even with all of the fixes that people have claimed work for them
PurpleFries said:
u can have a sense ui running on 1.5, if you are only concerned with how it looks. Just flash the cursorsence rom, if u have 32a phone. ensure u dont have a perfect spl. If you did the rogers dream->magic switch, likely you have a 32a phone with 1.33.0010 perfect spl. you must get rid of this first.
here's some links to help you out as i did this process yesterday. took me a helluva long time.
Goldcard Method
Fix perfected spl using this goldcard
MAKE SURE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT RADIO AND SPL!!!!!.
Radio and spl upgrade
Cursorsence
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For the video in that link, watch up until the point where he tests the goldcard by putting it back into his computer to see if it opens. You don't need to follow his instructions past there
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This is a direct copypasta of one of my other posts, so sorry if some of it doesnt have anythign to do with you.
Just follow the guide in the second link after making a goldcard using the video in the first link.
MAKE SURE TO FOLLOW EVERYTHING EXACTLY!!!!!
Will that goldcard method work? I mean I know there are never any guarantees but I'd like a general idea if you can manage it of whether it'll work or not. Don't really want to waste hours on it as it seems REALLY complicated!
abhiroopb said:
Will that goldcard method work? I mean I know there are never any guarantees but I'd like a general idea if you can manage it of whether it'll work or not. Don't really want to waste hours on it as it seems REALLY complicated!
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It doesn't work so don't waste your time. I've tried
Is there NO method to root this at all?
my touch 3g fender need root
hello over the past couple of days I seen many ways to root the 32a but I tried and still no luck.Does anyone have a guaranteed way of getting this working.I thought the process was going to be simple.To jailbreak a Iphone all you all to do is donwload the software and click on the file that simple why can't teh android platform be the same
ermm same as me ... using same version but mine is Malaysia unit
Ok, I will admit I am a total noobie with Android based phones. I have been on the Blackberry platform for years.
I just got my magic yesterday.
To my knowledge it has not been updated yet.
How would I go about seeing if it can be rooted? And what is the best way to get it rooted, if it can be?
I am an IT guy, I am not afraid to try things out, so give me some steps and I will do them ASAP.
Thanks!
1st, boot the phone by holding the back & power buttons. Tell us EXACTLY what is on the first 5 lines at the top of the screen.
From there you will know if your phone is rootable...
It says:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.33.0009 (SAPP50000)
CPLD-12
RADIO-3.22.20.17
May 8 2009, 21:02:32 .
does this help?
Those specs were the same as mine. I used the Relentless Rooter software to root my phone. It was free then but you now have to pay (you can find it in the app forum).
You can also use the unlockr one click method. Check his site and video. Remember to use the instructions for 32A. Some posters wrote that they could not use this method (flashrec) to flash the latest Amon_Ra recovery and the solution was to shorten Amon_Ra's recovery's name. I know this sounds foreign language right now, but I do suggest you read and research a bit, specially the comments posted under the unlockr's method.
Once rooted, you can find various custom Roms for 32A in the developers section. Make sure the Rom fits your radio and SPL.
Oh, once rooted, I would suggest changing your SPL 1.33.009 to an engineered SPL, like mine (I use 1.33.2010). You can do a search at google or within the developers forum to find out why.
CONSIDER YOURSELF EXTREMELY FORTUNATE, you have a HTC Magic with an OLD non perfected SPL. Hell it isn't even a protected SPL you can load custom roms right away without having to flash a a new SPL.
HTC Magic with that SPL are becoming rarer by the day.
I would look into what ROMs you're interested in, if you want a 1.6 ROM, I would recommend Cyanogen 32A Port or Amon_RA's 1.6 ROM.
If you don't need 1.6 and like Sense UI (I suggest youtubing Sense UI and Stock Android to see which you prefer), CursorDroid's Sense UI ROM is in my opinion the BEST ROM available for the HTC Magic.
Cyanogen and Amon_Ra's ROM will work with your current SPL (I believe). While CursorDroid's requires you to flash the SPL and Radio of your phone. Which is a bit intimidating for novices but if your well prepared and pay close attention to instructions it's easy.
Thanks to all, I used some simple instrutions.
I now have:
6.35.10.18 Radio
1.76.2007 SPL
And I installed the CursorSense32A-1.2.6.1 rom.
This is way better.
networkdawg said:
Thanks to all, I used some simple instrutions.
I now have:
6.35.10.18 Radio
1.76.2007 SPL
And I installed the CursorSense32A-1.2.6.1 rom.
This is way better.
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Sweet, good job man.
I wish the person I bought my Rogers Magic from didnt do the update. Now I dont think I can root it
Wond3r said:
I wish the person I bought my Rogers Magic from didnt do the update. Now I dont think I can root it
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Maybe it was a new Magic which the person obtained from the HTC Dream upgrade.
Taknarosh said:
Maybe it was a new Magic which the person obtained from the HTC Dream upgrade.
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Yeah it was
Wond3r said:
Yeah it was
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Then for sure it was updated. Rogers wouldn't send out units with the bugged ROM.
I succed to downgrade my wildfire form 2.2.1 to 2.1 but the hboot remains the latest.also with this hboot i cannot make an s-off and root my wildfire.is there any method to downgrade my hboot;;
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Oh, I forgot to say, NO!!!!!!!!!!!
stop flooding the dev section
PS. yes you CAN get s-off, with an xtc clip.
Put questions in general. Closed.
Hi all
i'm new here
I need help becouse i want install CyanogenMod-7 for HTC Wildfire with android 2.3.
I have Wildfire with android 2.2.1 and i have hboot 1.0x etc.
Is it possible and what i need ?
I'm green in this case
Thx in advance. sorry for my eng
If you read around a little bit, you would come to know you cant.
Anyway, I'll still tell you - No, you cannot install CM7 on official 2.2.1 with Hboot 1.01. You will have to find someone with an XTC Clip hardware box, get your phone S-OFF using that, and only then root and install Custom ROMs like CM7.
I'm not totally new to rooting as I have already rooted my HTC Desire.
Yesterday my daughter came to me and asked me if I could root her HTC Legend.
I'm finding this quite confusing this time around and I am unsure what guides I should be following.
The wanted end result would be a rooted HTC Legend with S-Off after that installing a custom ROM should be the same as it is on the desire so I'm fine.
her phone has HBOOT 1.0 and android 2.2 currently
Can someone please point me in the right direction for my wanted end result.
Thanks in advance
Root is possible but s off isn't with hboot 1.01 or 1 being unable to revert it to s off XD
However you can use fake flash and still be able to do the same things
Look in the legend android development thread in the sticky with references there is a guide for rooting with hboot 1.01
Mines rooted with hboot message me if you need help XD
Sent from my HTC Legend
so I use the 1.01 guide to root 1.0 ok got that.
s-off was not a really big deal I just thought it would be handy