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[DISCUSS] Low Ram Fears (400mb)

am getting a bit concerned, only got 250mb, of ram left, and have only installed a few apps. Am just worried what will happen, when i download more apps, since most apps, despite being able to save them on the memory card willl still have to use the ram.?

marvi0 said:
am getting a bit concerned, only got 250mb, of ram left, and have only installed a few apps. Am just worried what will happen, when i download more apps, since most apps, despite being able to save them on the memory card willl still have to use the ram.?
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I have 7 screens in the main menu full of games now on my Xperia Play. And have 149MB free space. Use the SD card for apps, thats why it came with a 16GB card. If you need to move your apps to make space go to "settings" then "applications" then "manage applications" then on the top "On SD card". Any that are not ticked can be moved to SD card to make room.
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Matthew

matknny said:
I have 7 screens in the main menu full of games now on my Xperia Play. And have 149MB free space. Use the SD card for apps, thats why it came with a 16GB card. If you need to move your apps to make space go to "settings" then "applications" then "manage applications" then on the top "On SD card". Any that are not ticked can be moved to SD card to make room.
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Matthew
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Thanks but this is what i mean you are already left with 150 mb so really this should be bad news. How many games have you got if you please don't do not mind me asking?.

matknny said:
I have 7 screens in the main menu full of games now on my Xperia Play. And have 149MB free space. Use the SD card for apps, thats why it came with a 16GB card. If you need to move your apps to make space go to "settings" then "applications" then "manage applications" then on the top "On SD card". Any that are not ticked can be moved to SD card to make room.
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Matthew
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how do you add/remove homescreens? i am only using one at the moment and really want to get rid of the blank ones!!

39 games on my xperia play. You think this is low then you should know it was allot lower on my other phones especially my nexus one. This things a god send. Also bare in mine I have tango installed which takes 50mb almost.
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You unfortunately can't. But it takes no processes extra so don't worry. You can remove on some custom roms but they haven't started on them yet, although CM will be on it me thinks maybe when this thing gets rooted.
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Ahh I see, thanks.

100 mb of ram is even enough, don't see why you need more?
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MJ_QaT said:
100 mb of ram is even enough, don't see why you need more?
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Must admit this is very true.

Thanks for the replies was just worried cause I kinda prefer loading a lot of Apps and games andand two months down the line i don't want to find out i have loads of memory on my memory card but unable to add any more apps or games.

marvi0 said:
Thanks for the replies was just worried cause I kinda prefer loading a lot of Apps and games andand two months down the line i don't want to find out i have loads of memory on my memory card but unable to add any more apps or games.
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Hmm, when you say "loading a lot of apps and games" do you mean running two games at once?
Downloading doesn't have to do with Ram availability. You can download everything as long as you have free space in your memory card .... But running them all is not a good idea even if you have 1gb free ram
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this isn't windows mobile you guys... windows mobile stored applications in ram, and most winmo devices need a hud battery (hold-up battery) to maintain that application store when the main battery died. ANYWAY...
ram does not equal app storeage on android. Your apps can be downloaded to nand or sd card...
the xperia play has like 1GB nand/flash for the OS and data partition, plus apps2sd gives you virtually limitless app storeage. That is in the addition to the 400mb of RAM. Remember RAM and NAND/FLASH are 2 completely separate things. Volitile and non-volitile. RAM needs constant flow of power to retain information, NAND does not.
the 400mb of ram is useable at all times regardless of the quanity of applications installed, it's only effected by current running apps, and even with only 100-200mb free ram... that's plenty of any program you want to run, the memory management in android will assure that the active running app will have adaquate resources to run the app you are wanting to run, it silently closes inactive apps in the background to make most efficent use of that 400mb
sorry for breaking it down like barney, but it appears it was needed from the question and the responces that some people maybe didn't understand the question or situation exactly.

johnsongrantr said:
this isn't windows mobile you guys... windows mobile stored applications in ram, and most winmo devices need a hud battery (hold-up battery) to maintain that application store when the main battery died. ANYWAY...
ram does not equal app storeage on android. Your apps can be downloaded to nand or sd card...
the xperia play has like 1GB nand/flash for the OS and data partition, plus apps2sd gives you virtually limitless app storeage. That is in the addition to the 400mb of RAM. Remember RAM and NAND/FLASH are 2 completely separate things. Volitile and non-volitile. RAM needs constant flow of power to retain information, NAND does not.
the 400mb of ram is useable at all times regardless of the quanity of applications installed, it's only effected by current running apps, and even with only 100-200mb free ram... that's plenty of any program you want to run, the memory management in android will assure that the active running app will have adaquate resources to run the app you are wanting to run, it silently closes inactive apps in the background to make most efficent use of that 400mb
sorry for breaking it down like barney, but it appears it was needed from the question and the responces that some people maybe didn't understand the question or situation exactly.
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Lol, it's not a good idea to generalize your post like that, it's really insulting to talk to us like we don't know the difference between a Ram and Nand/Flash Rom
My understanding of the question as is 400mb Ram enough or not? Hence my answer is yes, having 100 mb free ram space is more than enough
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Lol, it's not a good idea to generalize your post like that, it's really insulting to talk to us like we don't know the difference between a Ram and Nand/Flash Rom
My understanding of the question as is 400mb Ram enough or not? Hence my answer is yes, having 100 mb free ram space is more than enough
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I wasn't meaning it to be insulting and it's hard to tell where people are at on the technical level, but as a first time android person, and in sometimes first time smartphone person things can be a little confusing.
I just wanted to make sure the foundation was good in case there was any confusion.
Like I said I didn't mean it to be insulting, I'm honestly trying to help.

is'nt it really 512mb ram? but i think the system holds off a certain amount to run the OS or something so we're kinda left with 400mb. that said i think the real thing here is WE are'nt left with anything as WE dont do anything with the 400mb, the OS uses as it pleases depending on how many apps are running, surely? but i think johnsongrantr put it well....

Zub7 said:
is'nt it really 512mb ram? but i think the system holds off a certain amount to run the OS or something so we're kinda left with 400mb. that said i think the real thing here is WE are'nt left with anything as WE dont do anything with the 400mb, the OS uses as it pleases depending on how many apps are running, surely? but i think johnsongrantr put it well....
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yea I have no idea how they got 400, base 2 doesn't land on 400. Maybe 256 + 128 chips and they rounded to 400? No clue, I'd be curious to find that out myself.
I bet that ~112mb is probably shared video memory or something stupid like that. Everywhere I read has said 400mb though.
EDIT: it's 512, with 112 reserved for something that is not identified. Check the first couple paragraphs.
http://blogs.sonyericsson.com/products/2011/04/01/xperia™-play-hits-the-stores/

A lot of people here seem a little confused on what the Xperia Play has in terms of memory. I'll do my best to explain this without insulting anyones intelligence.
So the Xperia Play has 1GB of app storage which is basically the equivalent of hard drive space that a PC would have. This is used in conjunction with the SD card to store apps. It's also the same memory used for the OS. So it has 1gb of this memory, but ONLY 400mb is usable because most of it is used by the OS and bloatware.
So where the Xperia Play had 1gb, the DroidX has 8gbs. So really the Play has crap for storage.
Then on top of that the Xperia Play has 512mb of Ram. Everyone knows what that is, so I wont explain that. But this really isn't different from most high end Android phones.
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@tornlogic- The Xperia play has dual channel RAM which is first in class and provides 2x performance boost to normal ram. Its the quality that matters, not the quantity.

se_dude said:
@tornlogic- The Xperia play has dual channel RAM which is first in class and provides 2x performance boost to normal ram. Its the quality that matters, not the quantity.
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This is where people are confused. I said that the Xperia Play has 512mb of Ram which is what most highend Android phones have. And that's great! I mean the Bionic will have a gig, but who cares? So why would you tell me quality matters not quantity when I said that 512mb is fine and dandy?
Its the 400mb of user storage, which is NOT dual channel I have a problem with.
Think of the 400mb storage as the phone's hard drive. You can throw the sd card in the trash, and the phone will work just fine. You can still dl apps, save photo, documents and whatever your little heart desires without an SD card. Its all stored on the 400mb of space Sony thinks is a lot, but actually isn't.
Again, my DX has 8gb of storage. The Sony has 400mb. Both phones have 512mb of RAM, with the Sony having dual channel RAM, NOT dual channel storage. Clear?
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Lol, see now I was the one confused, I have seen the 400mb number quoted as the ram on many websites, I think even engadget. But that makes much more sense now that it's 400mb free NAND after the system image. Something wasn't matching up right with the numbers.
Thanks for the info about the dual channel ram, I didnt know that either.

A2SD on G2/DZ - your opinion

this is one of those topics that I am genuinely curious about, because on the surface, I can't wrap my head around how A2SD could be useful on a phone with 2gb of [usable] rom. what's more of a hoot to me is that people usually set up a 1gb ext partition for storage... which is less than the phone has internally... so what did that accomplish?
additionally, with the decent amount of ram we have, swap doesn't seem like it would do much good... maybe on sense? I don't know.
it's just interesting to me that, on paper, the vision has no use for a2sd, and yet it is even built in to several custom roms that were developed specifically for the vision. HMmmmmMMmMmM.
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i never got that either... the idea of swap always worried me ... so whats the deal with A2SD really?

I take out you guys haven't seen the size of some of the newer apps on the market?
I see it as, why not? It's a feature we should be able to use.
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Ummm...Maybe it's because I'm not a frantic app downloader, but I have not had a problem that I would need A2SD. I have the apps I need Stock, weather, social networking, Google Earth, some games on the side and etc. and I still have 0.96 GB free, so really A2SD is not greatly needed unless your Android device is your gaming device, and even then it would be hard to fill up.
I did a little looking on the market, and I found about the top game in space would be 29m which I assume is mb. This is one of the best developed games graphics wise that I see on Android, and I would need this app downloaded a lot of times to fill up my space which is not going to happen because I don't need a lot of of those types of those games on my phone at the same time, and on top of my other games.
If the developer feels like maintaining it for the G2/DZ then go ahead not my place to stop it, but really not needed anymore

I actually use my EXT partition. I have quite a number of games on my phone and the 2GB A2SD partition helps (out of 2.01 Titanium reads, I've got 1.12 free and my internal storage has 1.16 free).

Plants vs zombies is over 70mb.
You have a massive sd card, why not have the freedom to put what you want on there. It was added to froyo for a reason, why remove functionality?
When that 1gb app that makes pancakes for you comes out, you'll be wishing you could move it to your sd.
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Froyo is general could be for lower end phones which do not have as much internal space and we are talking about the Vision, and if a phone starts making decent pancakes the tech that we would have would not need A2SD, and it would not be a phone...it would be my cook.
And even still you would need multiple games like that to fill up my internal space.
Like I said, not needed, but if the developer feels like maintaining it, it's not my job to get in the way.

Nospin said:
Plants vs zombies is over 70mb.
You have a massive sd card, why not have the freedom to put what you want on there. It was added to froyo for a reason, why remove functionality?
When that 1gb app that makes pancakes for you comes out, you'll be wishing you could move it to your sd.
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Actually, I CAN (and do) use the Froyo/GB A2FAT option. PyroMod doesn't restrict its users to just using the EXT partition.
And speaking of massive SD cards, Kingmax boasted last month that they created a 64GB card. How much do you think THAT would cost?

Some games take hundred of megabytes

briantech said:
Some games take hundred of megabytes
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Dont most of them games go automatically to the sd card anyways?
In general, would the system load an app faster off the internal storage or off an sd card? I'm assuming the internal memory. Like others have attested, i have 58 apps and still got about 1 gig of memory free. A2SD can be useful for some, but for the masses, it's not necessary on our phone. And any apps that are HUGE go to the sd card automatically anyways(as in they create their own folder and put the bulk of the files on there).
Lets not forget there is two different A2SD methods. The old school method of going to an EXT partition, and the built in one with froyo and on that goes on the regular fat partition. And then in a way there is a third, which is what i just explained, where no matter where you set your install location, it puts the bulk of it's file in a folder on the sd card(it's own folder, not .androidsecure).

Are 16GB enough for you?

I've a Nexus 7 3G/32GB that I'm selling and I've just ordered a Gt-n5100 but I'm very scared about hdd capacity. Note 8 is only available in my country in 16GB format so I had no choice but since all apps are installed in primary memory and not on SD card now I'm asking to myself if I did a good buy. What can you tell me about this? Are 16gb enough for you? I changed my previous nexus 7 16gb (poor memory) for the 32gb version and it's true that they haven't SD expansion slot.. Do you think SD could solve the problem in any way?
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I came from a Nexus 7 32gb, via a Note 10.1.
Unless you are a hard-core gamer then the 16gb is plenty sui long as you supplement with a micro sd card on which to store your media files etc.
The Note 8.0 is definitely the better device by a good measure, congratulations I'm sure you'll enjoy it.
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Having the microsd slot helps a lot. I have a DROID dna with only 16gb and I wish it had more. Games and media take the most space on a device. Media can easily be store on the microsd.
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16 GB is more than enough for me. I really only use the tablet for the note taking function. But even my 16 GB Galaxy S4 with a large medical library downloaded to the device, still leaves me with like 4 GB free. And I have all of my music stored on the main memory. If you move all of your personal data to SD, I don't see how you can run out of space on the main memory, using it just for apps and app data.

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16 GB is more than enough for me. I really only use the tablet for the note taking function. But even my 16 GB Galaxy S4 with a large medical library downloaded to the device, still leaves me with like 4 GB free. And I have all of my music stored on the main memory. If you move all of your personal data to SD, I don't see how you can run out of space on the main memory, using it just for apps and app data.
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16 gb is to little for me to store my music and movies. But hey this is Samsung you have sd card slot

I hope that you are aware The advertised 16 GB is not the actual available capacity.
The fact is that on Galaxy Note 8 you will get around 9 GB for personal storage only on internal SD card as factory default (rest consumed by the default apps etc).
I had to add a 64GB MicroSd card (almost full already) and that gives me some room for stuff.
All depends on your usage but if you need space frequently , you cannot go wrong with an additional 32 GB micro SD card.
btw this tablet should also support the MicroUSB flash drives. so I would not worry much as this has room for expansion if need ever comes to that.

intelliriffer said:
I hope that you are aware The advertised 16 GB is not the actual available capacity.
The fact is that on Galaxy Note 8 you will get around 9 GB for personal storage only on internal SD card as factory default (rest consumed by the default apps etc).
I had to add a 64GB MicroSd card (almost full already) and that gives me some room for stuff.
All depends on your usage but if you need space frequently , you cannot go wrong with an additional 32 GB micro SD card.
btw this tablet should also support the MicroUSB flash drives. so I would not worry much as this has room for expansion if need ever comes to that.
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On my AT&T LTE Note 8 with 16GB internal memory I find that after loading all of my apps (76) and with the Samsung and AT&T apps and the operating system and TouchWiz I have 9.2GB free internal memory. This agrees with your findings.

No. 16g is not enough. Real dopey amount of storage for a tablet like this.
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You cannot just say 16 gbs isn't enough. it's very subjective. On both my phone and tablet, even 8 gbs would've been enough for me. I don't play games or store moves/music. I use Slacker, Netflix and read news/magazines.

aerok said:
You cannot just say 16 gbs isn't enough. it's very subjective. On both my phone and tablet, even 8 gbs would've been enough for me. I don't play games or store moves/music. I use Slacker, Netflix and read news/magazines.
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agree completely; I put a 32 gig external sd card to store music, movies, and pix...I have over 100 apps on here, and still have 4.5 gigs of main memory space available..
plenty of room IMO...

The issue here is games. Clearly Samsung aren't factoring in gamers to their target market for this tablet. The gpu - the Mali 400 is evidence of that. The minimal amount of internal storage also shows Samsung don't expect N8.0 users to install more than 2 or 3 triple A titles at most.
'The Bard's Tale' alone is 3.5GB. 'Horn' is 2.7GB. 'Max Payne Mobile' is 1.4GB.
Bam, there's all your space gone, with hardly anything left for productivity apps.

no offense, but I doubt that any tablet is marketed specifically for gamers; they are more for business professionals/email/magazine/web surfers...
Hard core gamers use consoles or gaming pc's generally, and those folks dont think of tablets as effective hardware for them..

If we actually had 16GB it might be enough. On first power up you only have like 9GB to use...kind of false advertising.
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the OS and cache have to go somewhere, dont they?

wase4711 said:
the OS and cache have to go somewhere, dont they?
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So factor that into the design so that when you advertise a 16GB storage device people actually GET 16GB off storage. I think there is already a class action lawsuit against Samsung for the S4 due to this issue.
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as you well know, EVERY device/tablet/laptop/pc maker pretty much says the same kind of thing when it comes to advertising the "size" of their machine; you know that a 2 TB computer never really has 2TB of "available space" on it, since the os/swapfile etc has to go somewhere, and this is how electronics have been sold for a long long time.
I'm not saying I dont agree with you, but I dont see this kind of "unrealistic" advertising od device space/capacity changing any time soon..

wase4711 said:
as you well know, EVERY device/tablet/laptop/pc maker pretty much says the same kind of thing when it comes to advertising the "size" of their machine; you know that a 2 TB computer never really has 2TB of "available space" on it, since the os/swapfile etc has to go somewhere, and this is how electronics have been sold for a long long time.
I'm not saying I dont agree with you, but I dont see this kind of "unrealistic" advertising od device space/capacity changing any time soon..
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Well, if the class action lawsuit does enough damage and more start being held to task, it might change. I also get what you are saying, but the criticism of Samsung right now is that it's not just 1-2GB out of 16GB...it's almost half. In other words, it is unreasonable and excessive in it's advertising. So as much as I've been a Samsung supporter over the years, I hope they get beat pretty bad and start to change this negative pattern.

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if it's like the s4 then it's got a reserved 6GB partition (at least i read that somewhere). so they should advertise the useable space and the amount of memory shared for the video.
why they don't let you do a fresh install like any pc is beyond me. tablets have come too far to be still treated as less than a computer.
i'm still on the fence about getting the 8. i keep adding it to cart at amazon and then closing the tab. i almost got it at walmart after seeing the box and falling in love!

there's alot to love with this tablet..nobody who has seen one or bought one has anything bad to say about it...

I would like to see the Apps2SD stuff come from the Galaxy S4 or a setting to use the card in place of the internal data mounted as the sd card but yes, it is enough for me.
I would have bought a 64GB or 32GB model if possible but as games are the only big local data I have - I could use the card or a usb drive if I needed to have offline access to movies and music and such. Everything but games lives on my local server or in a cloud service; often both. So I can live with the storage.
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[No Root] Sdcard as internal storage.

You can use your Sdcard as internal storage on all 6.0+ devices.
Refer to this video:
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one thing to keep in mind: you'll want a fast card if you're planning on doing this. my sandisk UHS-1 cards has a speed of 30MB/s and I find it almost unusably slow for internal memory. simple reading apps took 10-15 seconds to load, and operating within the app was equally frustrating. formatted it and i just use it as storage, so everyone is happy

No cards are fast enough yet to make it worth the hassles, for me anyway

aviwdoowks said:
No cards are fast enough yet to make it worth the hassles, for me anyway
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I'm using a combination card, 30gb adopted, 90gb external. It's a Samsung uhs1 card. Definitely slower response from heavier apps stored there, but it's nice to offload stuff that I use less frequently or that doesn't need a lot of speed (utilities, eBook readers, etc) to maximize onboard storage for the apps that need it. I dump media to the external portion so it is usable on other devices should I need to do so.

if you're interested in seamless performance, check out the new A1 series that SanDisk is producing. It conforms to the new standard that states it should be as fast as internal memory when used as adoptable storage. http://www.droid-life.com/2017/01/05/sandisks-new-256gb-a1-microsd-card-wants-apps/

Samsung j3 advertises 8GB but only has 4.7G

How do i liberate that space? i tried wipe everything with twrp and still couldnt liberate space, how can i do it?

devianzel said:
How do i liberate that space? i tried wipe everything with twrp and still couldnt liberate space, how can i do it?
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(To oversimplify it) Of that 8gb, X amount is reserved for the android OS and cache, Y amount is reserved for apps and such with 4.7gb being the usable remainder. There isn't a massive amount you can do to change that really, custom ROMs can free up some but not huge amounts.

On top of that j3 emulates it's internal sd from the leftover space in data. So if your not wiping that you could be missing out

Wulfie217 said:
(To oversimplify it) Of that 8gb, X amount is reserved for the android OS and cache, Y amount is reserved for apps and such with 4.7gb being the usable remainder. There isn't a massive amount you can do to change that really, custom ROMs can free up some but not huge amounts.
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I've found LOS seriously affected space for me

Darth_revan_returns said:
I've found LOS seriously affected space for me
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Really? Since using my M-SD card as internal I've had zero issues with storage. I have 4/5 space hogging games installed alongside a gig or two of smaller ones, 4/5 GB of music and books and whatever hadn't copied to One Drive lately sat on the phone with a 16gb card and I still don't see any sluggishness yet.

Wulfie217 said:
Really? Since using my M-SD card as internal I've had zero issues with storage. I have 4/5 space hogging games installed alongside a gig or two of smaller ones, 4/5 GB of music and books and whatever hadn't copied to One Drive lately sat on the phone with a 16gb card and I still don't see any sluggishness yet.
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Mine is really slow so I can't use it as internal for now.. but I have 3 huge games on the rom whereas with tw I couldn't put more than 1 big app even Snapchat have me issues. I've found I haven't needed to change it to internal haha

Darth_revan_returns said:
Mine is really slow so I can't use it as internal for now.. but I have 3 huge games on the rom whereas with tw I couldn't put more than 1 big app even Snapchat have me issues. I've found I haven't needed to change it to internal haha
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If you're UK based go to Wilkos, you can pick up a 16gb class 10 for about £8.

Wulfie217 said:
If you're UK based go to Wilkos, you can pick up a 16gb class 10 for about £8.
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Africa?????