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Why do manufacturers pump out so many phones, with none making a real name for themselves? It seems like if HTC released maybe three phones, and every network could have them, they would get some momentum, and a franchise product; a "Name" for themselves. Because no manufacturer does this, I don't think there will ever be an Android to stand up sales wise with the iPhone.
Imo, back in June, HTC should have used the Evo name and ran with it:
Evo
Evo Compact (the Incredible)
Evo Shift
Then once a year or even bi-yearly, the whole line is updated for all carriers with sequential numbers added to the end, ala apple. Does this not seem like a better model? It must not be I assume, because it's not what is being done... but I feel like with the Evo and Incredible being such great phones they would really gain significant traction had they had similar names, and been available on all networks... Instead there is Evo, Incredible, Atria, Thunderbolt, Pyramid, etc. Really confusing.
well..
verizon is trying that with the "droid" name... notice how many have that? they have put a lot of branding to that brandname... "droid"
TMobile has the brand "mytouch"
rumor is ..
sprint will work with the "EVO" branding. EVO and EVO Shift.
Yeah, thats true, and I guess I might would add the shift to my above lineup, so they have a keyboard model... but what I meant, and i just realized I didn't make it obvious in my post was, why do they send basically the same phone with a slightly altered design and different name to different carriers, as opposed to releasing one line up to all?
Edit: So from rereading what you said, it seems like the carrier has a big say in what the name of the phone is? Or is it up to the manufacturer?
i would guess.. that the carriers have a large say in the names.
why would they make a few changes? again this is my guess.
it is a marketing thing... for PRICE specials....
if all 4 carriers had the exact same phone... then they loose some "identity". think of Yukon, Suburban, Escalade, Tahoe.
also..if one carrier has one on sale then the others will have to match the price. If not then the customers might feel a little cheated.
if different name or slight look change, the no longer have to match the price. Most dont know that they are the same; again look at the SUV example i gave.
Think about when Walmart has a Samsung LCD tv on sale.. it is model XY2100. Best Buy has the same samsung LCD XY2100B. they have the exact same specs, but the Best Buy has a chrome panel. Sorry no price match.
I 2nd this big time.
I'm in complete agreement with this OP, and in fact was thinking the exact same thing the other day.
Android has such a confusing and fragmented ecosystem that's it's not funny. I believe this is a result of the "young & wild" thinking behind the business model of the original Open Handset Alliance that Google helped form during Anrdroid's inception. Google came forth with a set of rules, but were perhaps a little too loose on their requirements. They made a set of hardware parameters that Android phones "should" utilize. And in a desperate attempt to become relevant during the iphone craze of the last few years, said "have at it, go build some Androids".
I understand the thinking behind such a model, as not everyone needs, or can afford a high end device i.e., Evo, Incredible, Droid X etc. Some people want to spend $100 or less and have a data enabled phone without giant touch screens, and 5+ MP camera functions. They just want to text, and download ringtones etc, as this is economically viable.
This model has some major pitfalls however, being that; 1) With marketing ploys like Verizon's "Droid", & 2) A new low end Android phone coming out every month -
Android as a whole becomes more and more anonymous and confusing to the average consumer. A lot of people are already walking around asking, "What the hell is Android anyway?" They know they want a smart phone, or maybe even the ubiquitous iPhone like all of their friends and family have... They hear about Android, and how cool and open it is, then go to purchase one from ATT, Sprint, Verizon, US Cellular, Tmobile, Etc... WTF, who to go with, and now, which phone! Wait, what do you mean I can only get the Galaxy Captivate on ATT? Why can I only get the Evo on Sprint, and the G2 on TMO?
Not a very fluid purchase, and then to find out that your precious phone won't be receiving the latest OS updates becomes the nail in the coffin.
This is the biggest thing I've noticed about Android since purchasing my Evo in June. If I didn't have some technical know how, and the support of XDA, my Evo would be near obsolete already. However, I am not the "average" consumer, I love to hack things. Most people want a good phone that will last a year or two, and not have to feel buyer's remorse every few months when a better and faster device hits the shelves.
You could make the same argument about Apple devices with their yearly refresh, and most technology for that matter but I feel the impact of this phenomenon may be greatest with Android... It's almost as if the marketing gurus at all the big telco's want to cram as much of this stuff out into the public, before we realize what's going on, and don't want it anymore.
I love Android, and my Evo is a good phone (not great), but I clearly see behind their marketing fluff, and their poorly disguised ecosystem if you can call it that.
Don't even get me started on the failure that is the Android Market.... Ugh...
What a messy, clusterf¨©k. An unorganized, unregulated, bloated piece of $Free.99 garbage. Google seems to actually encourage "free w/ads" apps over developers making GOOD apps, and getting paid for them!
Not to mention the lack of security, repetition, and licensing infringement that runs rampant throughout. This may seem off topic, but it all ties in to the lack of standardization that plagues Google, and Android as a whole.
If I were Google's CEO, I would clamp down fast in a clear and concise manner with Motorola, HTC and LG etc, and call for better hardware standardization, less marketing fluff, and actually give Devs a reason to want to get involved with the Android market. One way of doing this would be to stop selling old hardware (read, crappy) repackaged in a new phone.
Granted, Android sales are huge right now, but if they stay on this rocky path, the Big G may soon find themselves in a sales plateau, if not on their way to a canyon. They set out to be different, which is good, but sometimes different ends up being strange.
to cater to everyones needs
Most people I know usually refer HTC brand as the Cadillac of phones.
And @Mitch...like apple dont have 1000's of pointless and useless apps and without a option to refund.
Touche' Phatman,
I wasn't trying to rant or complain, so sorry if I did. I've had a mixed experience with my phone, (and it shows.)
Touch>Touch Pro>Touch Pro 2
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Since Motorola and ATT sharted the Atrix a few days ago, there have been quite a number of threads aimed at issues with, instead of praise for, the device. On that same note, there seem to be a few forum members who immediately label those folk with anything other than wonderful sugar coated sparkling comments as trolls.
I am, seemingly, one of the aforementioned trolls. I think its important for us trolls to have a place where we can commiserate without being mocked for a simple opinion. Opinions as valid as those on the opposite side of the user experience, but somehow deemed not-respectable by those troll labeling nincompoops.
Alas, this is that place! Come here and lament. I am done trolling in regard to the feculent offspring of ATT and Motorola's latest orgy... well, maybe one final jab.
Could there really be a good outcome for a device with a feature set named blur? Did they really mean to suggest that the cornerstone of their fingerprint on the user experience for those who dont overlay a different launcher to be one of a reduction in vision? Yes, I suppose its possible. And, in this case, it fits. Not only were the product planners amiss with this phone, it seems the engineers and the marketing staff were as well. Great job Moto!
Sorry you got your feelings hurt, but nobody really cares... if you dont like the phone, RETURN it and quit *****ing. was there really a need to start a thread like this? you can have your opinion, thats fine, but dont start useless threads just to voice how it "makes you feel." WHO CARES? i know i dont, and im pretty sure i am speaking for a large percentage of the community when i say that. threads like this just clutter-up the forums.
I love how their feature description page for blur says 'It's all about control'
http://www.motorola.com/Consumers/US-EN/Consumer-Product-and-Services/MOTOBLUR/MOTOBLUR-Features
You got that right. I don't want all my logins stored on any server. Period. I've not put any accounts into blur for this reason alone, and if I can't find a workaround in the next 28 days, the phone's going back. I got your 'control' right here, it's in my wallet.
The tethering needed for webtop mode is a deal breaker for me. Even on the multimedia dock, on wireless, and not using (3g/4g) cell data at all it doesn't seem to work. Why would I need to wirelessly tether a dock that I'm physically connected to? Not to mention that ATT is making me switch from unlimited data to 4Gb, and raping me for extra $$ in the process. No thanks.
The encrypted bootloader is not as big a deal, but custom roms would be nice. Still waiting on word from Moto about that, but as my magic 8-ball says 'outlook not so good'.
Come on ATT/Moto, you can still come to your senses. I may switch carriers in the near future if we can't come to an agreement. You have 30^H^H28 days.
This will lead to nothing positive, on that note thread closed.
Wish motorola was this cool...
http://www.talkandroid.com/42568-cy...ews,+Rumours,+and+Updates)&utm_content=My+MSN
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samsung : we know we mess up the softwares, and we are out of budget to fix it. here cyanogenmod, u deal with it
moto: we want to lock it up so people buy our newest handset and abandon the older ones
lsxrx7 said:
samsung : we know we mess up the softwares, and we are out of budget to fix it. here cyanogenmod, u deal with it
moto: we want to lock it up so people buy our newest handset and abandon the older ones
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What a whiny little *****. Wah, wah, wah!!! Go cry somewhere else. I won't even address that with a legitimate response, I'll just mock you instead.
I think it's awesome that Samsung is trying to engage with the community. I heard that they might have actually given away more devices than just the one. That's amazing. Motorola side skirts the issue and lays blame elsewhere, Samsung steps up to the plate and mails out free hardware.
Sounds like it's some to seriously consider an SGII. Can't wait forever on Motorola anymore... did this with the X10 and not going to do it again with another device.
Time to trade for SGSII!
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they are just being grateful of how devs resurrected the original sgs :bleh:
Great move by Samsung! I miss all of the Dev on the SGS and love that Samsung not only allows it, but actually encourages it. I really like my Atrix but it will be my last Motorola phone unless Moto opens things up like Samsung, HTC, etc.
plemen said:
Great move by Samsung! I miss all of the Dev on the SGS and love that Samsung not only allows it, but actually encourages it. I really like my Atrix but it will be my last Motorola phone unless Moto opens things up like Samsung, HTC, etc.
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Add me to that list. I was very hesitant to buy a Moto, and if it were not the best ATT has to offer I would return it.
plemen said:
Great move by Samsung! I miss all of the Dev on the SGS and love that Samsung not only allows it, but actually encourages it. I really like my Atrix but it will be my last Motorola phone unless Moto opens things up like Samsung, HTC, etc.
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I agree...my Atrix will be my last Moto phone. Next will be along the lines of the Nexus 3 or Samsung
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While I do think it's good to see Samsung doing this, it doesn't mean they will do anything else with it. Remember, this is the same company that left millions of customers with a malfunctioning GPS for more than a year.
I dare say, this may be a publicity stunt of some kind.
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While I do think it's good to see Samsung doing this, it doesn't mean they will do anything else with it. Remember, this is the same company that left millions of customers with a malfunctioning GPS for more than a year.
I dare say, this may be a publicity stunt of some kind.
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Thankfully I missed the SGS GPS fiasco... but if a company wants to give free phones to the sickest developers, I can't see how anyone is able to come here and lament over the past.
Would you guys rather see the same mistakes over and over? No one's asking for forgiveness. This is a win-win situation. No one loses. How can ANYONE seriously *****? Maybe there's something I'm missing...
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Thankfully I missed the SGS GPS fiasco... but if a company wants to give free phones to the sickest developers, I can't see how anyone is able to come here and lament over the past.
Would you guys rather see the same mistakes over and over? No one's asking for forgiveness. This is a win-win situation. No one loses. How can ANYONE seriously *****? Maybe there's something I'm missing...
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Nobody is complaining as you say. I am just saying, it will take more than this gesture to restore my confidence in Samsung Mobile. I am not saying it won't happen, just not over this single gesture.
I honestly am amazed they have done this. The motivation behind it, remains to be seen. I hope they have realized the error of their ways.
I also agree with the sentiment that Motorola should be learning from this.
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Nobody is complaining as you say. I am just saying, it will take more than this gesture to restore my confidence in Samsung Mobile. I am not saying it won't happen, just not over this single gesture.
I honestly am amazed they have done this. The motivation behind it, remains to be seen. I hope they have realized the error of their ways.
I also agree with the sentiment that Motorola should be learning from this.
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I'm not saying anyone has to forgive Samsung for their huge flops in the past. But no one has the right to complain or make cynical comments either. Not all that I said was particularly directed at you.
Samsung could have thrown kittens off a building and then donated billions of dollars in relief aid to third world countries - this won't right their wrongs but at least it's something. Never mentioned anything about the past or forgiveness either, and I don't see why everyone's so hung up on it.
I'm not living in the past. I want new phones, new software, new everything. I'm concerned about the present and the future, not the past.
bongd said:
I'm not saying anyone has to forgive Samsung for their huge flops in the past. But no one has the right to complain or make cynical comments either. Not all that I said was particularly directed at you.
Samsung could have thrown kittens off a building and then donated billions of dollars in relief aid to third world countries - this won't right their wrongs but at least it's something. Never mentioned anything about the past or forgiveness either, and I don't see why everyone's so hung up on it.
I'm not living in the past. I want new phones, new software, new everything. I'm concerned about the present and the future, not the past.
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You make good points. However, let me just add this one little phrase and it should help you understand how some people might feel.
Burn me once, shame on you! Burn me twice, shame on me!
This is the heart of why people become biased against a manufacturer. There are many people who feel the same about Motorola at this point.
naplesbill said:
You make good points. However, let me just add this one little phrase and it should help you understand how some people might feel.
Burn me once, shame on you! Burn me twice, shame on me!
This is the heart of why people become biased against a manufacturer. There are many people who feel the same about Motorola at this point.
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Yep, definitely a valid point. But all things considered, Sammy just gave a bunch of kickass devs free phones and now they're all jacked up to start working on Cyanogen mod. How cool is that? I honestly can't get past the coolness factor.
I know I may have some of my facts wrong here, just correct me if I'm wrong.
Since Google bought out Motorola Mobility a while back, wouldn't it make more sense for them to be using Motorola for the "Nexus" phones? Why would they want to team up with Samsung to make something they could do themselves?
Companies "bid" for the opportunity to make the nexus device. Google is afterall a corporate entity. Why would they want to screw themselves out of more money if it was there for the taking?
I do however think it will be better for Moto devices in the long run for updates..
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I know I may have some of my facts wrong here, just correct me if I'm wrong.
Since Google bought out Motorola Mobility a while back, wouldn't it make more sense for them to be using Motorola for the "Nexus" phones? Why would they want to team up with Samsung to make something they could do themselves?
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I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe Samsung's patented the curved display and Google's got a fetish for that?
Regardless, I'm itching to see a Moto nexus phone. Samsung left a bad taste in my mouth with the Captivate, HTC always seems to have some sort of screen/multitouch issue, SE seems like a specialty phone kind of manufacturer, LG? Eh, I probably wouldn't mind the Thrill/3D, but they have yet to prove themselves.
Motorola? I realize there was this tiff about the bootloader, but I'd rather have good, consistent build quality than a lot of other things.
The deal has not yet gone through. Why don't people do any sort of research at all before asking questions? Shareholders are voting on November 17 if the acquisition will go through or not. Secondly, Google has stated many, many times that they will not touch MotoMobility at all. They only want the patents and will not make any changes to MotoMobility's business at all. Period. Also, Samsung makes high quality devices. There's a reason they've been chosen for 2 of the 3 Nexus devices and Moto has been chosen for none. Moto has sold 4.4 million total smartphones in each the last 2 quarters. Samsung sold 30 million devices in the last quarter alone including 10 million SGS2s without even debuting in the US, one of the largest smartphone markets in the world.
From my understanding, Google has not yet purchased Motorola Mobility. The Boards of Directors of both Motorola and Google have approved of the deal but there is a long procedure to be completed in order for this deal to actually go through.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14531859
xyrovice said:
I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe Samsung's patented the curved display and Google's got a fetish for that?
Regardless, I'm itching to see a Moto nexus phone. Samsung left a bad taste in my mouth with the Captivate, HTC always seems to have some sort of screen/multitouch issue, SE seems like a specialty phone kind of manufacturer, LG? Eh, I probably wouldn't mind the Thrill/3D, but they have yet to prove themselves.
Motorola? I realize there was this tiff about the bootloader, but I'd rather have good, consistent build quality than a lot of other things.
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I don't really understand people, honestly. Motorola has always put out good quality, 100% working phones. The bootloader is unlockable if you want to mess with your phone, but something like a screen issue isn't fixable unless you get a new phone.
edgeicator said:
The deal has not yet gone through. Why don't people do any sort of research at all before asking questions? Shareholders are voting on November 17 if the acquisition will go through or not. Secondly, Google has stated many, many times that they will not touch MotoMobility at all. They only want the patents and will not make any changes to MotoMobility's business at all. Period. Also, Samsung makes high quality devices. There's a reason they've been chosen for 2 of the 3 Nexus devices and Moto has been chosen for none. Moto has sold 4.4 million total smartphones in each the last 2 quarters. Samsung sold 30 million devices in the last quarter alone including 10 million SGS2s without even debuting in the US, one of the largest smartphone markets in the world.
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If Google isn't going to touch MotoMobility, then who is running the company? -.-
TreyChristopher said:
I don't really understand people, honestly. Motorola has always put out good quality, 100% working phones. The bootloader is unlockable if you want to mess with your phone, but something like a screen issue isn't fixable unless you get a new phone.
If Google isn't going to touch MotoMobility, then who is running the company? -.-
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The same people who are running it today. No one is being fired. It was a purely patent acquisition. MotoMobility will remain as it is today. As for the bootloader, it is not unlockable unless something huge leaks. How many phones have had their bootloader unlocked since the OG Droid? 2. The Atrix and the Photon 4g, which is basically an atrix for Sprint. That's it.
1. Google doesn't officially own Motorola Mobility Yet.
2. For those of you who think that google strictly bought Motorola for patents and are not going to take advantage of Owning the Cellular division and developing with motorola before other companies is on a cloud. Of course google isn't going to "admit" that they would do that cause that would cause a semi sorta monopoly so they "Say" they aren't going to do anything for plausible deniability. I mean really come on think about it...They Own a major manufacturer of cellphones and Just want Pantents....give me a break.
malickie said:
1. Google doesn't officially own Motorola Mobility Yet.
2. For those of you who think that google strictly bought Motorola for patents and are not going to take advantage of Owning the Cellular division and developing with motorola before other companies is on a cloud. Of course google isn't going to "admit" that they would do that cause that would cause a semi sorta monopoly so they "Say" they aren't going to do anything for plausible deniability. I mean really come on think about it...They Own a major manufacturer of cellphones and Just want Pantents....give me a break.
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You're absolutely delusional. Motorola is doing so much worse than the other Android manufacturers. They stand to lose a lot if they show any favoritism to Motorola. Samsung sold 30 million smartphones last quarter. HTC Sold 13 million. Motorola sold 4.4 million. Motorola is not a major seller of smartphones. Q2 rankings were apple, samsung, nokia, rim, htc, lg, motorola, huawei, zte, other. You have no idea how business works. Plausible deniability doesn't work here. It'll be as plain as day light if Google ever favors Moto.
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You're absolutely delusional. Motorola is doing so much worse than the other Android manufacturers. They stand to lose a lot if they show any favoritism to Motorola. Samsung sold 30 million smartphones last quarter. HTC Sold 13 million. Motorola sold 4.4 million. Motorola is not a major seller of smartphones. Q2 rankings were apple, samsung, nokia, rim, htc, lg, motorola, huawei, zte, other. You have no idea how business works. Plausible deniability doesn't work here. It'll be as plain as day light if Google ever favors Moto.
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Dude seriously have you ever worked in a business and have any idea what goes on behind 99% of business's doors and the shady business that goes on? I mean seriously who is delusional thinking that motorola won't take advantage of being owned by google and vice versa. There would be a Major reason for Motorola to take advantage of that considering how bad they are doing in the market and of course it will be as quite as a mouse. Both sides would deny it until blue in the face but still won't stop either from taking advantage of each other. I mean hell just look at RIM or Apple or Android for that matter all of which are in some sort of lawsuit or another for infringement on this or that patent. Would be very easy to mask any favoritism at the moment with all the BS Lawsuits going on right now.
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Dude seriously have you ever worked in a business and have any idea what goes on behind 99% of business's doors and the shady business that goes on? I mean seriously who is delusional thinking that motorola won't take advantage of being owned by google and vice versa. There would be a Major reason for Motorola to take advantage of that considering how bad they are doing in the market and of course it will be as quite as a mouse. Both sides would deny it until blue in the face but still won't stop either from taking advantage of each other. I mean hell just look at RIM or Apple or Android for that matter all of which are in some sort of lawsuit or another for infringement on this or that patent. Would be very easy to mask any favoritism at the moment with all the BS Lawsuits going on right now.
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Yea, you definitely have no idea what you're talking about. Favoritism has nothing to do with lawsuits. They wouldn't be in trouble if they collaborated together. Fact of the matter is, HTC and Samsung already are on edge. They are being pressured from outside and within to switch away from Android as it is. Manufacturers that are cooperating with a software vendor do NOT want to compete with that same vendor on a hardware level. As you can see Android hardware manufacturers are not happy and I’m sure will be on the lookout for another mobile OS at the drop of a pin. Google would shoot themselves in the foot if they showed any signs of favoritism to Motorola. Face the facts. Google has little to gain from Motorola doing better at the expense of pissing off the far bigger Manufacturers of Android handsets. The only way Motorola can benefit from this merger is if Google favors Motorola other other manufacturers in regards to early source code access and preferential Nexus selection. Both of these would be painfully obvious to any other manufacturer.
Any hardware company (Motorola, Samsung, etc.) makes money by selling hardware, so they do not want to update software, they want to update hardware and use the new software as a selling point. Their ideologies already clash. Google wants to advance the Android ecosystem. Motorola simply wants a bigger share of that market.
The thing is, Google kind of had its hand forced in this. It's a fact that gets overlooked. Motorola basically started saying they were going to start suing the other manufacturers of Android. I don't know about you, but in my opinion that's a pretty ****ing bad thing for the ecosystem. This wasn't something Google thought of out of the blue. It's something that was honestly hoisted upon them. If they didn't stop Motorola, they would have started suing, other manufacturers would have started adopting WP7. Google doesn't want to lose its controlling grip over Android, and for good reason -- it's a money maker for them right now. By buying Motorola not only does it stop the potential for lawsuits against the other manufacturers, but it also stops the potential for Motorola to start producing WP7 phones as well. The patents were also a very sweet reason, but it wasn't the only reason.
Motorola was also threatening to create it's own private fork of android and it's own market a few months ago. Basically Motorola was looking to be bought. Apparently Microsoft was also interested.
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Yea, you definitely have no idea what you're talking about. Favoritism has nothing to do with lawsuits. They wouldn't be in trouble if they collaborated together. Fact of the matter is, HTC and Samsung already are on edge. They are being pressured from outside and within to switch away from Android as it is. Manufacturers that are cooperating with a software vendor do NOT want to compete with that same vendor on a hardware level. As you can see Android hardware manufacturers are not happy and I’m sure will be on the lookout for another mobile OS at the drop of a pin. Google would shoot themselves in the foot if they showed any signs of favoritism to Motorola. Face the facts. Google has little to gain from Motorola doing better at the expense of pissing off the far bigger Manufacturers of Android handsets. The only way Motorola can benefit from this merger is if Google favors Motorola other other manufacturers in regards to early source code access and preferential Nexus selection. Both of these would be painfully obvious to any other manufacturer.
Any hardware company (Motorola, Samsung, etc.) makes money by selling hardware, so they do not want to update software, they want to update hardware and use the new software as a selling point. Their ideologies already clash. Google wants to advance the Android ecosystem. Motorola simply wants a bigger share of that market.
The thing is, Google kind of had its hand forced in this. It's a fact that gets overlooked. Motorola basically started saying they were going to start suing the other manufacturers of Android. I don't know about you, but in my opinion that's a pretty ****ing bad thing for the ecosystem. This wasn't something Google thought of out of the blue. It's something that was honestly hoisted upon them. If they didn't stop Motorola, they would have started suing, other manufacturers would have started adopting WP7. Google doesn't want to lose its controlling grip over Android, and for good reason -- it's a money maker for them right now. By buying Motorola not only does it stop the potential for lawsuits against the other manufacturers, but it also stops the potential for Motorola to start producing WP7 phones as well. The patents were also a very sweet reason, but it wasn't the only reason.
Motorola was also threatening to create it's own private fork of android and it's own market a few months ago. Basically Motorola was looking to be bought. Apparently Microsoft was also interested.
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are you sitting on the board of directors of Google? no? do you have access to private information that pertains to Google's plans for Motorola? no? then i guess you have no clue what you're talking about and need to chill out. every single one of your posts is nothing but calling other people idiots and spouting information (without any hard evidence) about future events that people are just SPECULATING about. is it really that annoying to you for other people to have a conversation about possibilities?
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are you sitting on the board of directors of Google? no? do you have access to private information that pertains to Google's plans for Motorola? no? then i guess you have no clue what you're talking about and need to chill out. every single one of your posts is nothing but calling other people idiots and spouting information (without any hard evidence) about future events that people are just SPECULATING about. is it really that annoying to you for other people to have a conversation about possibilities?
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It's called common sense and knowledge. Something 99% of this board apparently lacks. Google has stated MULTIPLE TIMES they won't favor Motorola over their other partners. Every single one of my posts has been backed up by hard numbers and articles. Name anything I have stated to be fact that hasn't been backed up with hard evidence. The person I am responding to insists that Motorola will somehow have backhanded deals with Google when it has been explicitly stated that there will be no benefit for Motorola over other manufacturers from this acquisition. Maybe if posters were somewhat intelligent, I wouldn't have to point out the multitudes of falsities, misinformation, and just straight up FUD they keep claiming.
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It's called common sense and knowledge. Something 99% of this board apparently lacks. Google has stated MULTIPLE TIMES they won't favor Motorola over their other partners. Every single one of my posts has been backed up by hard numbers and articles. Name anything I have stated to be fact that hasn't been backed up with hard evidence. The person I am responding to insists that Motorola will somehow have backhanded deals with Google when it has been explicitly stated that there will be no benefit for Motorola over other manufacturers from this acquisition. Maybe if posters were somewhat intelligent, I wouldn't have to point out the multitudes of falsities, misinformation, and just straight up FUD they keep claiming.
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Sounds to me like you believe everything you read or what someone tells you. So if the President told you the only way to live was to jump off the Sears tower you would just blindly believe him and go jump off the Sears Tower even though common sense and logic would say wait if I do that I am dead. All I have been saying is Don't believe Everything someone tells you they will Do. Most corporations say One thing and do something completely different behind closed doors.
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Sounds to me like you believe everything you read or what someone tells you. So if the President told you the only way to live was to jump off the Sears tower you would just blindly believe him and go jump off the Sears Tower even though common sense and logic would say wait if I do that I am dead. All I have been saying is Don't believe Everything someone tells you they will Do. Most corporations say One thing and do something completely different behind closed doors.
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Way to use a straw man argument. And as I explained earlier. There is a tiny upside to Motorola doing well to a huge downside if they were to get caught red-handed. The risk vs reward is tremendously imbalanced. You'd have to have 0 sense of business if you'd take that risk. The only reason Google did this was to take patents for defense and to defend their partners from Motorola potentially suing them with those same patents they just bought. If you can't see that, there's no helping you.
I could care less "who" makes it, but how about a Nexus phone WITH EXT_SD support already?...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7HrYgO6uP4&feature=g-all-u
antmiu2 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7HrYgO6uP4&feature=g-all-u
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Haha, this guy is all about right.
what is motorola? do they exists ?
^ Their Exist in this past years but after what they did i think they will leave the mobile industry and they will be a badmark on the history
antmiu2 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B7HrYgO6uP4&feature=g-all-u
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Love the video, and am in total agreement.
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Love the video, and am in total agreement.
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I agree with you.
It's a good video. Comes out hard against Motorola. Are we really supposed to believe that because Motorola is doing this now, saying they're getting it out of the way, that they won't do it again in the future?
But I don't know why more people aren't pointing out that this is a statement on the Android eco-system itself. If this were Samsung or HTC, you could leave the blame on their feet. But Motorola is owned by Google now. This is a move by Google. It's not just Motorola not being able to afford enough developers to create a department to support old phones. It's Google saying they don't want to spend the money keeping a customer base, no matter how loyal they've been.
It really makes me want to leave Android. Unfortunately there are few options out there. I hate Microsoft still left over from hate from the 90's. HP has abandoned webOS. Apple has iOS too restricted so you can't do everything you want. I'll probably stay with Android, just won't have as much a warm fuzzy feeling about it.
I am dropping Motorola even though I was a loyal customer for years over multiple phones. Samsung is out because I had hell of problems with them for a monitor I bought. The stand broke and I had to keep cussing them out for an entire year over the phone, literally, twice a month for a year. Having spent way too much time Googling it, I'm definitely under the impression they' treat problems more lazily than Sony does.
I'll probably go with HTC. I really liked how he mentioned in that video HTC gave a $300 rebate in the past. That was sticking it to Motorola good. I'll have to look into it more myself to make sure, but I'm probably going with HTC.
Samsung, Microsoft, and Yahoo were the only major companies I had issues with before. Now I'm adding Motorola to the list. Samsung and Microsoft are still the worst in my book. But Yahoo and Motorola are bad enough, really don't want to do business with them ever again. And, it really hurts that Google owns Motorola. I use Google for so many things on the web... It's not even like it's an option for me to get rid of Google.
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It's a good video. Comes out hard against Motorola. Are we really supposed to believe that because Motorola is doing this now, saying they're getting it out of the way, that they won't do it again in the future?
But I don't know why more people aren't pointing out that this is a statement on the Android eco-system itself. If this were Samsung or HTC, you could leave the blame on their feet. But Motorola is owned by Google now. This is a move by Google. It's not just Motorola not being able to afford enough developers to create a department to support old phones. It's Google saying they don't want to spend the money keeping a customer base, no matter how loyal they've been.
It really makes me want to leave Android. Unfortunately there are few options out there. I hate Microsoft still left over from hate from the 90's. HP has abandoned webOS. Apple has iOS too restricted so you can't do everything you want. I'll probably stay with Android, just won't have as much a warm fuzzy feeling about it.
I am dropping Motorola even though I was a loyal customer for years over multiple phones. Samsung is out because I had hell of problems with them for a monitor I bought. The stand broke and I had to keep cussing them out for an entire year over the phone, literally, twice a month for a year. Having spent way too much time Googling it, I'm definitely under the impression they' treat problems more lazily than Sony does.
I'll probably go with HTC. I really liked how he mentioned in that video HTC gave a $300 rebate in the past. That was sticking it to Motorola good. I'll have to look into it more myself to make sure, but I'm probably going with HTC.
Samsung, Microsoft, and Yahoo were the only major companies I had issues with before. Now I'm adding Motorola to the list. Samsung and Microsoft are still the worst in my book. But Yahoo and Motorola are bad enough, really don't want to do business with them ever again. And, it really hurts that Google owns Motorola. I use Google for so many things on the web... It's not even like it's an option for me to get rid of Google.
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I share your sentiments regarding most of the things that you have said. Yesterday, I have noticed something about myself that I didn't think about it as much before. I no longer have a desire for new music, not even bothered to see if there is anything out there that I might like and matches my listening taste. I keep listing to my old collections only. I think I've been put off by the Music industry that expose itself as the most vicious entity that is willing to destroy lives in the name of Business.
Equally, the impact of the greed and control the tech industry have shown lately could have eventually put me off to the point even owning the most basic mobile phone is way too much of a hassle.
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I no longer have a desire for new music, not even bothered to see if there is anything out there that I might like and matches my listening taste. I keep listing to my old collections only. I think I've been put off by the Music industry that expose itself as the most vicious entity that is willing to destroy lives in the name of Business.
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Serves them right-- the record companies are pushing what they think sells, and I wouldn't call it music. Let's put it this way, 99% of the musicians I like are not, how should I say... "aesthetically pleasing". 99% of the schlock pushed by the corporate music industry is based upon image.
But unlike with Motorola, who still makes a good phone, I'm not even remotely interested in what the corporate music industry is pushing these days. I really want to throw my Atrix in the trash because of all this noise. However, I still need it, and I don't exactly have a few hundred to throw away on a new phone
I've have already written in other threads exactly what the guy said in the video, don't buy motorola products ever, they will get the message. It is the only way. These companies only look at the bottom line.
Take a look at HTC's sales since they refused to put out a viable Gingerbread OTA update for their most popular phone ever, the Desire. Still in the toilet.
Edit: Besides I tried the Razr i. No webtop, dodgy screen and the worst version of ICS ever. Pass.