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me(US T-MO) and my friend(sprint) wondering if any of u know if the HTC EVO 4G gonna have the worldphone compatability(GSM slot for gsm networks).my friend currently using the TOUCH PRO 2 from sprint and he has the ability to switch the phone to GSM carriers.jus wondering if the EVO gonna have the compatibilty.if yes defenetly dropping my HD2.
The Evo 4G is a CDMA phone it will not work on GSM and never will since it doesnt even come with a slot to insert a sim card.
yea i know that but the ones that u've seen on every website and videos r not the OFFICIAL EVO i think cuz they didnt even announced the official date but if its CDMA im out of luck and wish for a GSM version of the EVO.
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if its CDMA im out of luck and wish for a GSM version of the EVO.
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It's 100% CDMA w/no SIM slot. So I guess your out of luck
The big thing about the EVO 4G is the fact that it's a CDMA/Wi-Max. If it had a SIM slot, and you put it on a GSM network like T-Mobile, you wouldn't be able to connect to Sprint's 4G network and lose the one big advantage of this phone. Sure it's got 720p HDMI output and 8MP camera, but other than that and Wi-Max, it's got very similar specs to the HD2.
The other reason could be the fact that they wanted it to run Android, and I have yet to see any CDMA/GSM World Phones running Android natively so they may not have worked out the whole dual mode switching in Android - but I could be wrong about that one.
well.......i guess i have to be patient for something better by HTC on GSM carrier network with ANDROID 2.1.honestly i bought the HD2 and i've flashed custom ROM but still not satisfied at all with WM.i would get me NEXUS ONE but then again better phone will come out by HTC every 3-4 months.as far as 4G its not necessary for me at all.i will patiently wait till end of summer for the better.thanks guys
Look it up. GOOGLE IT ESPECIALLY WITH ANDROID
Sigh why do people get fooled by Sprint's cheap marketing... T-mobile's releasing HSPA+ 3G which is going to be faster than Sprints so called "4G"
Blackman778g said:
Sigh why do people get fooled by Sprint's cheap marketing... T-mobile's releasing HSPA+ 3G which is going to be faster than Sprints so called "4G"
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dude. wimax. shut up.
mountaindont said:
dude. wimax. shut up.
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Sigh... When people don't know the facts.
http://www.cellphonesignal.com/t-mobile-hspa-vs-sprint-wimax-by-pcworld/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359139,00.asp
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Sigh... When people don't know the facts.
http://www.cellphonesignal.com/t-mobile-hspa-vs-sprint-wimax-by-pcworld/
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2359139,00.asp
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Dude....Let Sprint and everyone that is on Sprint enjoy the fact that SPRINT will have one (if not the best) of the best phones ever made for a little while until another one comes out. Tmo has the HD2...now is Sprints turn, chill out!
You got HSPA+? Good for you....we'll have 4G! Is that simple.
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Dude....Let Sprint and everyone that is on Sprint enjoy the fact that SPRINT will have one (if not the best) of the best phones ever made for a little while until another one comes out. Tmo has the HD2...now is Sprints turn, chill out!
You got HSPA+? Good for you....we'll have 4G! Is that simple.
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Alright I'll settle for that... just trying to make sure people don't fall for the marketing gimmick. I had every carrier and been a loyal customer to them all.... Some people will switch just for a single phone even if they don't have reception in their area. Make a smart move it'll last two full years.
Blackman778g;I had every carrier and been a loyal customer to them all.... [/QUOTE said:
really??
boys and girls.. can we all say "contradiction"?
had to do it to u...
all major carriers will come out with their own "4G" setup, that is to be expected. WHEN will it hit the market; is the real question. Sprint has WiMax and it is being rolled out aggressively.
As they saying goes.."one bird in hand.. is better than two in the bush"
that being said... I live in a WiMax area and have the Overdrive. It is faster than 3G but I can only get 20% signal in areas that I am most in.
I hope they get more towers up in my area!!!!!
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Alright I'll settle for that... just trying to make sure people don't fall for the marketing gimmick. I had every carrier and been a loyal customer to them all.... Some people will switch just for a single phone even if they don't have reception in their area. Make a smart move it'll last two full years.
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So when is this mythical HSPDA+ coming out? WiMax has already been out for over a year where I live, and I've not heard of a single person with WiMax-like speeds on any other carrier. T-Mobile is typically last to the game in that regard, but either way, you guys already have the HD2, which I'd rather have anyways.
WiMax is not certified 4G and will never be. I'm really shocked that Sprint hasn't been called out on this and hasn't had their false adverts of a "4G" network pulled.
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WiMax is not certified 4G and will never be. I'm really shocked that Sprint hasn't been called out on this and hasn't had their false adverts of a "4G" network pulled.
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why would it have to be "certified 4G?" also, from what I've read from the beginning, is that WiMax and LTE are SO SIMILAR, that it wouldn't cost much for Clear/Sprint to fully convert. The even planned on having a combination of the two services.
methinks you doth protest too much.
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why would it have to be "certified 4G?" also, from what I've read from the beginning, is that WiMax and LTE are SO SIMILAR, that it wouldn't cost much for Clear/Sprint to fully convert. The even planned on having a combination of the two services.
methinks you doth protest too much.
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wimax and lte use different freqs, converting would not only change the protocol(like software) but the antennas, transponders, receivers and transmitters (hardware)
then all the phones themselves would need new radios (hardware + software) It would be a huge mess, I highly doubt they will convert the technology, hope they just adopt LTE with Wimax and your phone supports both someday. As they already have chipsets that support both technologies at the same time with multiple radios and transceivers. But my money is the conversion of technology will not happen, it will just be integrated into the phones instead of the towers.
Now the wimax/4g thing, wimax has been branded 4g, 4g is a general term...(yes I know it's a stardard and has minimum req's) but the term works for it's purpose; recognition more than a actual "standard". evdo started getting called 3g when the 3g term got popular and was a "feature" and was easier to remember no actual feature was added for them to call it 3g.
The point is the idea gets across, as it is agreed they both generally mean the same thing, you know what it means, they know what it means, and making that kinda correction makes people sound like asses. Much like spelling correctors.
BAM! I knew I read that before.
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BAM! I knew I read that before.
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not everything on you read on the internet is true, but facts are facts.. look
Wimax operates on 2.5Ghz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX#Spectrum_allocation
LTE operates on 700Mhz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
the two operate on two extremely different frequencies, you can't magically change a phone that is built to operate on one freq to start using one that differently. It's just not physically capable of doing it. No amount of software is going to change that.
That article was written in september 09' sprint has moved forward with wimax, they have made their decision, once they put equipment out in customers hands, they will have to cut some customers off by making drastic changes at this point in the game. To jump back at this point would be insanity. The infrastructure is already being built, and in some cases already built.
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not everything on you read on the internet is true, but facts are facts.. look
Wimax operates on 2.5Ghz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiMAX#Spectrum_allocation
LTE operates on 700Mhz
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution#Frequency_bands_and_channel_bandwidths
the two operate on two extremely different frequencies, you can't magically change a phone that is built to operate on one freq to start using one that differently. It's just not physically capable of doing it. No amount of software is going to change that.
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Why is that? Radios can transmit on all sorts of frequencies... you have no idea how they designed their antennae or transmitters. If Clear says, themselves, that the technology is 80% identical, then it's fairly believable. I've been hearing that for years, anyhow.
Hell, just look at AT&T, they have 3G on all sorts of bands, and that didn't stop them people from using them. This argument is pointless. Clear could have hybrid modems in store, or possibly their devices can already use the spectrum to reference. All I'm saying is Sprint/Clear aren't really committing false-advertising. Comparing some mythical unicorn that T-Mobile *might* have in a few markets sometime soon, to WiMax, which has been out for quite some time, doesn't make much sense.
For now, it's 4G... the fastest, and I believe they have the right to call it that. It's Sprint's fourth-generation network. For years, the carriers bounced back and forth as to who had the fastest network, and you didn't see anyone renaming their from 3G.
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Why is that? Radios can transmit on all sorts of frequencies... you have no idea how they designed their antennae or transmitters. If Clear says, themselves, that the technology is 80% identical, then it's fairly believable. I've been hearing that for years, anyhow.
Hell, just look at AT&T, they have 3G on all sorts of bands, and that didn't stop them people from using them. This argument is pointless. Clear could have hybrid modems in store, or possibly their devices can already use the spectrum to reference. All I'm saying is Sprint/Clear aren't really committing false-advertising. Comparing some mythical unicorn that T-Mobile *might* have in a few markets sometime soon, to WiMax, which has been out for quite some time, doesn't make much sense.
For now, it's 4G... the fastest, and I believe they have the right to call it that. It's Sprint's fourth-generation network. For years, the carriers bounced back and forth as to who had the fastest network, and you didn't see anyone renaming their from 3G.
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I have no idea how they designed their transmitter? This is more or less true, I don't know the exact specifics of their radios, but I have a really really good idea. I used to fix radios for the army... I have an good general knowledge of radio technology.
I don't have the exact links but I've posted some to chipset makers in this forum. One is for the evo's chipset, and one for for a future phone's chipset. The future one has radios *note plural* built in that are capable of broadcasting on both the 700 and 2.5 frequencies. The EVO's is not capable of the 700mhz only the 2.5ghz (among others 800 & 1900 but not 700)
The reason you can tune civilian band and police radios to multiple frequencies is because of transistors. But you're talking a very small spectrum. A common span is like 1-50Mhz difference. The Bigger the gap the bigger and more elaborate the electronic circuitry is required. Having to tune amplifiers as well as antennas. I'm not going to give a lesson on radio broadcast technology cause, well I'm just not.
For antennas they have to be cut to exact length based off their wavelength to preform optimally. As the frequency increases the length gets shorter but the principal is still there. It has to be more or less exact, the more you deviate the less clear the signal will be with the higher freqs the more exact it needs to be. Fudging a difference that big will not work for a clear and precise digital signal.
SO... while a cell phone radio might change it's freqs slightly depending on open channels, the range is fairly close, a radio that operates on 700mhz might go as high or low as 725 for example but it will not, and I repeat will NOT do a 1800Mhz difference. Hopefully that sheds some light on this subject.
I can't go into how their backend protocol is worked, because I honestly haven't ever messed with it and would only be speculation on my part. So it might be correct, the software might be easily interchangeable, but the hardware is not, and clear/wimax even stated so in that article. They said they had equipment capable of both or options or something. But a change is needed for sure. The evo is sprint's flagship wimax phone, and it is not capable of the freqs lte currently uses.... end of story.
My father works for Verizon Wireless and he came back with a few swag bags of stuff and some news about some of Verizon's plans.
Verizon is about to change their radio to allow features like talk and web at the same time for all "newer" model phones with certain chipsets. The Incredible is one of them. Also, 2.3 update is coming "soon." The HTC Rep. that he spoke with would say nothing more on the matter.
Thanks for reading.
Hmm... I was under the impression that it was the CDMA network technology that limited simultaneous talk/data. I could be wrong but if that were the case I don't know how they would be able to enable that on existing DIncs without physically changing chipsets on each device. Can someone correct me on this?
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Hmm... I was under the impression that it was the CDMA network technology that limited simultaneous talk/data. I could be wrong but if that were the case I don't know how they would be able to enable that on existing DIncs without physically changing chipsets on each device. Can someone correct me on this?
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Well either we already had the capability but verizon just figured out how to unlock it or the simultaneous talk/data the rep is talking about is for the htc droid incredible 2 since their radio chipset is newer...but we will get GB before the end of the month
WOW I would love data and phone at the same time! Sounds like a project!
Sounds amazing. Can't wait
I'm pretty sure it's a no for the DINC, the DINC 2 will though, as it supports SVDO.
From my understanding the Thunderbolt was the first phone to support SVDO on Verizon and I imagine they used the same type of chip on the DINC2 since it was the next HTC phone out of the gate. I think it was just in trial still on the TBolt.
Just found on the net that it would need to have a MSM Qualcomm chip, the original DINC has a QSD Qualcomm chip.
I have an incredible and have had simultaneous talk and data for a few months now
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I have an incredible and have had simultaneous talk and data for a few months now
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Thats while using Wi-Fi lol. It doesn't work like this over just 3G.
Sent from my Droid Incredible running CM7.0.3.
I wasn't expecting a single response! Haha.
The HTC rep. specified that it was the Incredible. I honestly do not know how they are going to work this out.
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Well either we already had the capability but verizon just figured out how to unlock it or the simultaneous talk/data the rep is talking about is for the htc droid incredible 2 since their radio chipset is newer...but we will get GB before the end of the month
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I would think it was for the Inc2, I doubt Inc1 has the Hardware to do it. Feel lazy to research but I swear I remember reading TBolt was the first with the Hardware to support it.
Yup he meant the inc2 only cdma/gsm phones have data/talk capability and the inc2 is one of them the thunderbolt is also on of them since it runs on a cdma netowrk but 4g lte is gsm technology the OG Inc is pure cdma
It has nothing to do with CDMA or LTE per se.
Verizon has always used EV-DO. The evolution of that is SVDO which is a single pipe for Voice and Data. Qualcomm did not make chips that supported that until the MSM series of chips. They stated that all MSM chips in 2009 forward would support SVDO.
Go on Wikipedia and it lists all the Qualcomm chips and shows which phones use which chip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
According to the specifications of the Incredible the processor is "Qualcomm® QSD8650, 1GHz Snapdragon™" per http://www.htc.com/us/products/droid-incredible-verizon#tech-specs, so the hardware according to that assumption, MSM chips are SVDO capable is not valid. That same Wikipedia page states that the MSM7630 chip in the Shift 4G has SVDO capabilities, not the Incredible.
So, even though I would love for simultaneous voice/data on my Dinc, alas I dont think its true.
Cheers!
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Thats while using Wi-Fi lol. It doesn't work like this over just 3G.
Sent from my Droid Incredible running CM7.0.3.
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Hadn't thought of that. I guess the "couple of months" that I was taking about is when I started leaving wifi on 24/7 because it improves my gps accuracy. I guess I never noticed that the simultaneous talk and data only works in my apartment (if I had, I would've figured out the culprit)
Well don't I feel silly
Well I'm running the leaked radio and I can tell you that I absolutely do not have simultaneous voice and data.
If it weren't for the bloatware I wouldn't mind running on the new Sense stock. As it stands now, I'll just wait for the ROM devs to pick up the new stock stuff and incorporate it.
I've surfed the web and talked on the phone at the same time for awhile now...
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I've surfed the web and talked on the phone at the same time for awhile now...
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As I said earlier in this thread, while on Wi-Fi it is possible, but not over just 3G.
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If it weren't for the bloatware I wouldn't mind running on the new Sense stock. As it stands now, I'll just wait for the ROM devs to pick up the new stock stuff and incorporate it.
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So flash it and use Titanium Backup to freeze all of the bloat. That's what I did. Been happily running it since the day it leaked.
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my dads friend is head of data for all of western PA for verizon
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well, now verizon will know exactly which leaky employee to fire when they come across this post.
What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...
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What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...
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specs: http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=3742
4g: the 4g will be the same $10 charge we pay for the current wimax 4g
Speed: no one knows how good the lte will be yet but it will almost definitely be above 2mbps since you can get about 5mbps on the current 4g and lte is much better.
Coverage: they just started rolling out lte so it will be a while before it covers anything near what verizon has. but if the rumors are true then we should have lte just about anywhere we have 3g at some point in the future
hope this answers your questions
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What will the new evo 4g lte have spec wise? Also will 4g service be an extra charge? I just recently used a friends razor on verizon 4g network and its extremely fast, I was getting almost 2mb per second...I wonder how much coverage sprints 4glite will have and if it will be on par with verizon...since we really never had 4g on the first evo...
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For specs http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_evo_4g_lte-4665.php visit here. In short, the screen on this phone has been voted by some, as the best on a smart phone yet; as well as the camera.
Id recommend on also do a comparison on 4g vs lte to see the true differences, but lte should bring a much faster network to us. In reality 2mb down is very slow for lte speeds, and in many areas it's common to get 15mb down or more.
Also, chances are that if you are not receiving 4g services currently, you will more than likely be one of the last ones to receive the lte service. LTE or not, this phone is definitely worth the upgrade on 3g alone.
Hope this helps you a bit.
Why is it def worth the upgrade for 3g alone? BTW I just started modding my evo 4g LoL maybe I should visit sprint & see how well the 4glite network is in my area...maybe wait til it goes full swing to 5mb like you said...also I just ordered exdended batteries 3 weeks ago!! lol
If you are still enjoying the EVO Og, and it is doing everything you need it to, there's nothing wrong with stick with it until more details emerge on the LTE network. For a lot of us, we've been flashing and modding since the phone first came out and it's time to move on.
A few big reasons to consider still switching over though are:
- Mod support - a large chunk of the top devs from OG Evo are making the switch, meaning, most of them will likely stop development on this phone.
- The battery life upgrade is going to make a huge difference, or at least we hope. Considering the fact that no one has one in hand yet, we don't have an accurate depiction of the actually battery life - but consider it safe to say that it will easily outlast the OG.
- Screen wise side-by-side it is night and day. Although OG screen isn't bad, a decent comparison is when you first made the switch from watching standard cable to hd (assuming you have).
- Processor is much, much, faster. This will allow for better game play, smooth transitions, and a better overall user experience.
I could literally write at least another 10 - 20 reasons on why to make the switch, but really no need. As I said, if you're still happy with the OG and don't feel the need to switch just yet, you likely will not miss out on much anyways.
Right I understand..Did they finally move the SD card location to the outside and not behind the damn battery...I hated that about the evo...When is the phone due to be out?
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If you are still enjoying the EVO Og, and it is doing everything you need it to, there's nothing wrong with stick with it until more details emerge on the LTE network. For a lot of us, we've been flashing and modding since the phone first came out and it's time to move on.
A few big reasons to consider still switching over though are:
- Mod support - a large chunk of the top devs from OG Evo are making the switch, meaning, most of them will likely stop development on this phone.
- The battery life upgrade is going to make a huge difference, or at least we hope. Considering the fact that no one has one in hand yet, we don't have an accurate depiction of the actually battery life - but consider it safe to say that it will easily outlast the OG.
- Screen wise side-by-side it is night and day. Although OG screen isn't bad, a decent comparison is when you first made the switch from watching standard cable to hd (assuming you have).
- Processor is much, much, faster. This will allow for better game play, smooth transitions, and a better overall user experience.
I could literally write at least another 10 - 20 reasons on why to make the switch, but really no need. As I said, if you're still happy with the OG and don't feel the need to switch just yet, you likely will not miss out on much anyways.
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Wondering how long I can keep it going. If it could rum ics like sense 1.0 it would hold it own. The devs are working hard. Hats off for the efforts. So funny I will run a rom with broken features when it is perfectly capable but yet we press forward for something better. Nothing wrong with that.
Come on little evo...
Come on devs...
And thank you for your hard work.
Next flash? OK...
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The speculation is that the phone will release on May 18th with pre-orders receiving them (possibly) early. And yes, the phone's micro-sd slot is no longer behind the battery, in fact, you will likely never see the battery ever unless you decide to take your's apart.
Yes. No need to worry. Get it. Now. It's in all our best interest. Do it.
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So we will not be able to upgrade the battery!? That sounds like a ****ty iphoney move...THat is one reason I hated the iphone among many others...But Im a power user & I have 3 spare batteries...I work offshore & my phone can only pull 1X so its constantly drawing massive amounts of power...I usually go thru 1 sprint 2600mah battery & about 50% of an anker 1700mah battery...2000mah is not going to cut it....
Also, will sprints lte network actually work & be widespread...I have fears of the lte network never even being available somewhat like the evo 4g...I never once got to use 4g on it...BTW verizon 4g is amazingly fast & very widespread, tested it out on a friends razor max
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So we will not be able to upgrade the battery!? That sounds like a ****ty iphoney move...THat is one reason I hated the iphone among many others...But Im a power user & I have 3 spare batteries...I work offshore & my phone can only pull 1X so its constantly drawing massive amounts of power...I usually go thru 1 sprint 2600mah battery & about 50% of an anker 1700mah battery...2000mah is not going to cut it....
Also, will sprints lte network actually work & be widespread...I have fears of the lte network never even being available somewhat like the evo 4g...I never once got to use 4g on it...BTW verizon 4g is amazingly fast & very widespread, tested it out on a friends razor max
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With Sense 4.0 and ICS in general, battery life should be amazing compared to our OG Evo. If I were you, wait a couple of months to see results of how battery life is from real world experience. People with the One X with the Quad core are reporting great battery life and their phones have a smaller battery (1800 mAh). The new Evo has a SoC, 28nm chip which will help wasting precious battery life and generate less heat, as well as its larger battery. Overall it seems to be a great phone with enough new quirks to help many upgrade from the OG for a better experience.
One thing that no one talks about is that at some point were expected to be able to ROAM on someones LTE network. (Most likely Verizon) We don't have that now because nobody is running WiMAX except Sprint. Good article about it on goodandevo.net
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Roam to verizons network?? How is that possible if EVO does not use SIM card...I thought to get on another carriers network you need their sim card...I almost jumped the gun due to the low price offered at wirefly..But after the promises of 4g on the first EVO never coming to light for me I Have decided to wait & see...My current evo does everything I need. Only gripe is the 4g that sprint promised which makes me think the same will happen with 4glite....Ive tried a razor max on verizons 4glte & it leaves sprint in the dust....Also, if the lte network is not up & working when the EVO lte is released & the evo lte has no working wimax then what network are you supposed to connect too? Sounds eerily similar to the EVO 4g launch
Verizon and Sprint phones, to the best of my knowledge stopped using SIM cards awhile ago. Sprint allows us to roam on Verizon when there's no Sprint coverage because Sprint signed a roaming agreement to use Verizon.
How were going to roam, I'm not 100% sure but I'm sure we will find out soon.
goodandevo.net/2012/03/here-is-sprints-future-lte-coverage-cap.html
Edit: this would be for the new EVO LTE, not the previous WiMAX versions. Just wanted to clarify.
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You won't be able to roam as sprints lte is at 1900mhz and Verizon is something totally different.
Should be a beast of a phone though. Lte is already live in a few cities and the LG viper lte is already out along with a Samsung lte phone.
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That's true but one can hope lol. But don't forget that Sprint is shutting down Nextels iDen network which will give us the 800 MHz frequency for better building penetration. At least we have that to look forward to in the future. I think Verizon is somewhere in the 700 MHz.
Maybe Sprint classifies some builder of LTE towers (sort of like ClearWire) are the future "roaming" areas that are the grey on the map from goodandevo.net?
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/10/29/nexus-4-official-available-november-13th-starting-at-299/
Key specifications
Chipset: Qualcomm Snapdragon™ S4 Pro processor with 1.5GHz Quad-Core Krait CPUs
Operating System: Android 4.2, Jelly Bean
Network: 3G (WCDMA), HSPA+
Display: 4.7-inch WXGA True HD IPS Plus (1280 x 768 pixels)
Memory: 8GB / 16GB
RAM: 2GB
Camera: 8.0MP rear / 1.3MP HD front
Battery: 2,100mAh Li-Polymer (embedded) / Talk time: 15.3 hours / Standby: 390 hours
Other: Wireless charging, NFC
Price: UNLOCKED - $299:8gb / $349:16gb ($199:16gb w/ 2yr T-Mobile contract)
Or, we can wait another 6 months or so for the SGS4
Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-
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Only on GSM networks. As much as I admire Google's desire for open access (thus no carriers involved), I still think they should have released a CDMA version with LTE...I'm stuck on Sprint on a family plan for at least another year, and i have no idea what phone I can get now -__-
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I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...
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I read that the samsung galaxy nexus 2 is on its way, and as I mentioned in the OP, the sgs4...
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I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic
mooshubob said:
I'd heard that Galaxy Nexus 2 rumor/leak was fake (it included a microSD card, and very little modification from the current GNex)...and I'm not really willing to wait 6+ months with my OGEpic
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Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...
It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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AproSamurai said:
It's the unicorns man, sabotaging our technologies.
And as much as I would have liked them to make a CDMA/LTE model, Sprint and Verizon kind of were deserving of getting shafted due to how they handle things with manufacturers on their carrier. Removing their power in a not so literal way.
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I love that it's unlocked, though. So we could put it on our carrier of choice, just no lte
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flastnoles11 said:
Why not? Is their something your epic can't do that these new phones can? Or are you one of the ones who needs the latest and greatest? Not that that is a bad thing, just curious as to why you're so anxious to get rid of a device that still functions perfectly even with the latest android version...
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Nah, my epic is slowly falling apart (screen cracks, needs a new battery, among other things), and I don't have any need for a physical keyboard, meaning I don't need a phone this big.
And it's not really latest and greatest 2+ years after I got the device. Technology has moved further, and it'd be nice to have all the "comforts" of the phones of late 2012 - great, fast cameras, fast processor speeds, NFC, etc.
Again, I'm not anxious, I've had my upgrade available since July of this year, just wanting a good device worthy of an upgrade from the Epic, available on Sprint, which doesn't seem to be coming out any time soon.
I'm considering the N4. Sprint's service has been so "meh!" in my area for the last 6 years, that switching to Tmobile or a MVNO seems to be a nice idea. Here is an article that gives some insight as to why no LTE radio.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/1...s-explanation-and-why-it-sort-of-makes-sense/
While I know that everyone has a different experience with their network, a side by side of LTE and HSPA+ shows that for the majority of users, HSPA+ will be perfectly fine (although most people considering a Nexus phone are probably power users), but the T-Mobile HSPA+ here in Denver beats the crap out of my WiMax network. My nephew has the Galaxy S 4G (not the S II) and it consistently gets speeds 25-30% faster than my average WiMax speeds. With the Nexus 4 it bears mentioning the added processing speed of the faster processor and additional RAM. I think overall Google may have made the right choice excluding LTE as it keeps the cost of an unlocked phone down. Has anyone seen what the iPhone 5 goes for? Or the SGS III? That they are producing this for 50% or less of other premium phones cost is amazing. Also, the Nexus 4 is SEXY
Just a point of reference, it's not perfect, but it shows some of the HSPA+ potential.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5iBxqsjW8
So a follow up on this, my friend on T-Mo with his SGS III just ran 6 speed tests for me of the HSPA+ network and his average DL in Denver was 21.73 Mbps and average UL was 2.36
Not as strong an upload as LTE, but the DL is about 5 times my average with WiMax and UL is pretty comparable.
LTE is a must feature, IMO. I like the fact that Google is sticking it to CDMA carriers, but it is a Pyrric victory. Nexus 4 sales will likely be sluggish, its specs notwithstanding. As for me, I no longer have any patience with Sprint (and its NetworkVision promises), and Epic, for all the wonderful dev effort, just isn't meant to run JB very well and now feels very dated when it comes to processing power and RAM. Going to get a VZW S3 in a few weeks.
There is now Sprint LTE in my area so I am rather anxious to upgrade. It is really too bad that the Nexus 4 is not going to be on Sprint and the Optimus G has less than stellar battery life and no removable battery/sd card, I guess even if the Nexus 4 was on Sprint it'd have the same downfalls.
If the SIII had the internals of the Note 2 (including the non-pentile screen), it'd be perfect.
N4 16GB ($350) + T-Mobile plan ($30 no contract) = FTW
Cannot resist that deal even with my Epic + SERO plan ($60)
Done with all this 4G/WiMax/LTE hype when in reality I hardly even use those speeds given the current coverage limitations.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2789485
Maybe this can/will happen to us? Or is it Sprint phone's hardware makes it not available? Kinda confused as to how they got that thru an OTA, I thought it had to do with hardware and not software.... gave me some hope maybe we will get it someday! lol
FYI: VoLTE= being on a call and being able to use LTE data
Joe0113 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2789485
Maybe this can/will happen to us? Or is it Sprint phone's hardware makes it not available? Kinda confused as to how they got that thru an OTA, I thought it had to do with hardware and not software.... gave me some hope maybe we will get it someday! lol
FYI: VoLTE= being on a call and being able to use LTE data
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It has nothing to do with hardware.
Did WiFi calling require new hardware? :silly:
It's all software based.
So short answer, yes we COULD do it/have it, but SPRINT has to do it and support it.
FWIW the WiFi calling at the moment is using a third party provider/service sprint pays, which I find funny. The future is VoIP, you'd think the providers have they own crap together by now.
It has to do with Chip Processor in our phone :/. Sprint can't do anything about it
The towers need the hardware/software to handle VoLTE. Our phones are all set for it, there's no special hardware. It just sends voice over LTE. The towers are on CSFB (why we lose data for calls and etc), and eventually will be made VoLTE-ready. When enough towers have it, within a year and a half or so I think, they'll push an OTA to enable it.
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The towers need the hardware/software to handle VoLTE. Our phones are all set for it, there's no special hardware. It just sends voice over LTE. The towers are on CSFB (why we lose data for calls and etc), and eventually will be made VoLTE-ready. When enough towers have it, within a year and a half or so I think, they'll push an OTA to enable it.
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Correct, buuuuuut, that won't be for a very long time. Some throw around 2017, that I've heard, but those are just guesses, I've not seen anything on a roadmap for dates. Perhaps, I'm wrong, but I wouldn't get real excited. They have to complete the 800, 1900, 2600 LTE rollout, then end of next year they'll bump to more carriers on the 2600 band (LTE-A style for mega speeds), which the S5 won't be able to accommodate BTW, then who knows.......if you want VoLTE, you probably should seek other carriers.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/sp...321076-does-sprints-note-3-support-svlte.html
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What's that hafta do with the S5? lol
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If the Note 3 can do it then it has nothing to do with the network as its clearly supported already, contrary to what the person above me posted. That means that it's now up to sprint to decide whether to make it available to the device via a software update or not
The thing with SVLTE is that it doesn't require any additional hardware unlike SVDO (S3 for example) which requires an additional radio.
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If the Note 3 can do it then it has nothing to do with the network as its clearly supported already, contrary to what the person above me posted. That means that it's now up to sprint to decide whether to make it available to the device via a software update or not
The thing with SVLTE is that it doesn't require any additional hardware unlike SVDO (S3 for example) which requires an additional radio.
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Incorrect. SVLTE (Think the S4) Does require an additional radio.
It's not an additional radio that's required anymore.
LTE radio exist, EVDO radio exist, thus you have one for voice and data now, though now they are on the same chip technically now.
SVDO did because it needed a radio for voice and one for the data.
With LTE we now have 2 basically.
The issue is antenna and antenna switching design.
The ability to do both was removed because it has a negative impact on reception, performance etc. when using frequencies like Sprint is. Basically you have all your antennas that are routing to a single path on the chip that goes to the radios. The SVDO had multiple paths and thus could do both.
I imagine this time next year it won't be an issue but it could still be because they will begin using spectrum aggregation which again combines everything to a single point.
It will be interesting to see how things change.
SVDO was only around for a few phone model years, but I agree it was a big overlook again. They knew it wasn't going to work but they assumed because it only existed for a few model years most people had been use to not having it, but they forget about people carrier hopping and assuming it would.
CDMA was better vs. GSM in terms of voice and security but it always had this big draw back of no voice/data together without special work arounds. Once 3G is decom like 2G was in a number of years none of this will matter.
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I think your getting SVLTE and VoLTE mixed up.
SVLTE uses 2 radios which the Sprint Note 3 has, but VoLTE uses 1 radio which the S5 has.
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Incorrect. SVLTE (Think the S4) Does require an additional radio.
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No, it no longer requires an additional radio like the S3 did for SVDO.
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It's not an additional radio that's required anymore.
LTE radio exist, EVDO radio exist, thus you have one for voice and data now, though now they are on the same chip technically now.
SVDO did because it needed a radio for voice and one for the data.
With LTE we now have 2 basically.
The issue is antenna and antenna switching design.
The ability to do both was removed because it has a negative impact on reception, performance etc. when using frequencies like Sprint is. Basically you have all your antennas that are routing to a single path on the chip that goes to the radios. The SVDO had multiple paths and thus could do both.
I imagine this time next year it won't be an issue but it could still be because they will begin using spectrum aggregation which again combines everything to a single point.
It will be interesting to see how things change.
SVDO was only around for a few phone model years, but I agree it was a big overlook again. They knew it wasn't going to work but they assumed because it only existed for a few model years most people had been use to not having it, but they forget about people carrier hopping and assuming it would.
CDMA was better vs. GSM in terms of voice and security but it always had this big draw back of no voice/data together without special work arounds. Once 3G is decom like 2G was in a number of years none of this will matter.
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This is technically correct, the best kind of correct. There are multiple radios on the S5 SoC, but only one transmission path so only one radio can be used at a time. (Hence why we have eCSFB) In order for SVLTE to work at the same time using LTE/1x like in the past, you need to have TWO radios that are working simultaneously and not one at a time like on the S5.
In the long run this is a better solution, but I still think they should have held off on single transmission path until VoLTE was ready to roll out.
Here you go kiddos. Exclusive information and details on Sprint's VoLTE.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...th-domestic-and-international-volte-carriers/
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Scolias said:
This is technically correct, the best kind of correct. There are multiple radios on the S5 SoC, but only one transmission path so only one radio can be used at a time. (Hence why we have eCSFB) In order for SVLTE to work at the same time using LTE/1x like in the past, you need to have TWO radios that are working simultaneously and not one at a time like on the S5.
In the long run this is a better solution, but I still think they should have held off on single transmission path until VoLTE was ready to roll out.
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The one radio in the S5 saves a lot of power compared to the 2 radios that the HTC One has. Honestly I don't see a reason to even implement VoLTE in the US since they are implementing 1x advanced.
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Here you go kiddos. Exclusive information and details on Sprint's VoLTE.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/blog/1/...th-domestic-and-international-volte-carriers/
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Yup... Honestly I don't know why VoLTE is preferred. The 1x Advanced that Sprint is putting on the 800 mhz bands (and eventually the 1900 once the older phones start phasing out) frees up a lot of spectrum so they can have a lot more calls going through any single tower. With VoLTE they would suffer the same exact data bandwidth limitations.
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The one radio in the S5 saves a lot of power compared to the 2 radios that the HTC One has. Honestly I don't see a reason to even implement VoLTE in the US since they are implementing 1x advanced.
Yup... Honestly I don't know why VoLTE is preferred. The 1x Advanced that Sprint is putting on the 800 mhz bands (and eventually the 1900 once the older phones start phasing out) frees up a lot of spectrum so they can have a lot more calls going through any single tower. With VoLTE they would suffer the same exact data bandwidth limitations.
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Correct, 800SMR is going to do wonders to Sprint coverage and clarity. The VoLTE will allow simultaneous voice and data again AND it's a global standard protocol....... so that's why it's preferred eventually. Also, once Sprint's network is fully implemented (end of 2015), there will be no bandwidth limitations, that's the upper hand that Sprint has for the patient, tons of spectrum and they're going to utilize it well.
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Correct, 800SMR is going to do wonders to Sprint coverage and clarity. The VoLTE will allow simultaneous voice and data again AND it's a global standard protocol....... so that's why it's preferred eventually. Also, once Sprint's network is fully implemented (end of 2015), there will be no bandwidth limitations, that's the upper hand that Sprint has for the patient, tons of spectrum and they're going to utilize it well.
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When in the history of Sprint have they ever actually done something well, no matter how many resources they have had?!? They are still trying to play catch up to every other network (and are falling behind every day). Personally I think simultaneous voice and data is kinda worthless (had it on my M7 and never used it) and there will always be bandwidth limitations.
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This is technically correct, the best kind of correct. There are multiple radios on the S5 SoC, but only one transmission path so only one radio can be used at a time. (Hence why we have eCSFB) In order for SVLTE to work at the same time using LTE/1x like in the past, you need to have TWO radios that are working simultaneously and not one at a time like on the S5.
In the long run this is a better solution, but I still think they should have held off on single transmission path until VoLTE was ready to roll out.
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numus said:
When in the history of Sprint have they ever actually done something well, no matter how many resources they have had?!? They are still trying to play catch up to every other network (and are falling behind every day). Personally I think simultaneous voice and data is kinda worthless (had it on my M7 and never used it) and there will always be bandwidth limitations.
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Thanks for the info, guys. This is interesting -- in contrast to the Moto X, which already supports simultaneous voice and data (ONLY on LTE). I can confirm it works perfectly on the Moto X. Also, there are no bandwidth limitations, due to Sprints use of TD-LTE (Time Division Long Term Evolution).
(I'm NOT referring to VoLTE)
Nice to have learned something new about the SGS5 though... :good:
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Thanks for the info, guys. This is interesting -- in contrast to the Moto X, which already supports simultaneous voice and data (ONLY on LTE). I can confirm it works perfectly on the Moto X. Also, there are no bandwidth limitations, due to Sprints use of TD-LTE (Time Division Long Term Evolution).
(I'm NOT referring to VoLTE)
Nice to have learned something new about the SGS5 though... :good:
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The HTC One (M7 not sure about M8) supports the same thing. The reason it is only on LTE is because on all phones, 1x and EVDO are the same radio (working off CDMA2000 with the chip supporting both 1xRTT and 1xEV-DO).
In the case of the Moto X, there is a separate chip specifically for LTE while the Samsung Galaxy S 5 sticks all of them on the same chip. So while the Moto X is supporting both voice and data at the same time, it has to power the radios for 1xRTT or 1xEVDO and the one for LTE, which means you are powering 2 while the Galaxy S 5 is only powered 1... Also there will always be bandwidth limitations... They still rely on a Fiber and/or Microwave back end which doesn't have infinite bandwidth capabilities.
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The HTC One (M7 not sure about M8) supports the same thing. The reason it is only on LTE is because on all phones, 1x and EVDO are the same radio (working off CDMA2000 with the chip supporting both 1xRTT and 1xEV-DO).
In the case of the Moto X, there is a separate chip specifically for LTE while the Samsung Galaxy S 5 sticks all of them on the same chip. So while the Moto X is supporting both voice and data at the same time, it has to power the radios for 1xRTT or 1xEVDO and the one for LTE, which means you are powering 2 while the Galaxy S 5 is only powered 1... Also there will always be bandwidth limitations... They still rely on a Fiber and/or Microwave back end which doesn't have infinite bandwidth capabilities.
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Thanks for pointing out the error in my logic: that the MAXIMUM 8.5kbps used by the EVRC/EVRC-B voice codec might actually contribute to "bandwidth limitations" due to using both radios at the same time
Since this would seem beyond insignificant, all things considering, I HAD failed to take this into consideration LMAO.
Nonetheless, thanks for the clarification.
I am well aware of the dual-radio nature of the X....just wasn't aware that the same didn't apply to the SGS5...
Haha I'll keep in mind that I might *possibly* be shorted 8.5kbps the next time I make a call while using my LTE data
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Thanks for pointing out the error in my logic: that the MAXIMUM 8.5kbps used by the EVRC/EVRC-B voice codec might actually contribute to "bandwidth limitations" due to using both radios at the same time
Since this would seem beyond insignificant, all things considering, I HAD failed to take this into consideration LMAO.
Nonetheless, thanks for the clarification.
I am well aware of the dual-radio nature of the X....just wasn't aware that the same didn't apply to the SGS5...
Haha I'll keep in mind that I might *possibly* be shorted 8.5kbps the next time I make a call while using my LTE data
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Do you read what you quote? There is a bandwidth limitation in LTE in general. Unlike 1x Advanced which is dedicated spectrum for calls only, VoLTE is going to run into bandwidth limitations because it is LTE. Guess what happens if everyone is using data at the same time on a tower?!? Guess what happens to Voice that requires data bandwidth to function... Granted you can always support carriers implementing QOS... I am sure everyone would be very happy with that.
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Do you read what you quote? There is a bandwidth limitation in LTE in general. Unlike 1x Advanced which is dedicated spectrum for calls only, VoLTE is going to run into bandwidth limitations because it is LTE. Guess what happens if everyone is using data at the same time on a tower?!? Guess what happens to Voice that requires data bandwidth to function...
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Did you read my quote? When I said there were no "bandwidth limitations" on the X --- I was referring to "bandwidth limitations" in respect to using both VOICE and DATA at the same TIME. Why else would have I mentioned "TD-LTE"??? Please explain...