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Hello!
I am very intersted in getting an Andorid phone that is waterproof as i always manage to brick my Smartphones while mountaineering and the liek through water damage. Till now i used a HTC Tilt2 (wm6) but i decided to go Android when that one bricks a long time ago.
That point has now come as some of the front buttons dont work anymore and the display broke in half. I already ordered a repairkit but i still want to get a new phone.
Now, just recently motorola announced the DEFY which is the first IP67 Andorid phone to my knowledge. As the specs seem fine enough and its going to sell here in Germany for 350€ i`m all in for the phone.
What bugs me though is, that nobody on this Forum even mentions the Phone, let alone the existience of an own category - which it deserves in my point of view.
Why is this?
I would really like to know if it should be possible to install custom roms to the defy as i don`t want to wait ages to get Froyo just to get Motoblur (which i wouldn`t like anyway i think)...
Thx,
Christian
Same here. The defy will come to the US too by the end of the year.
I really laughed when realizing, the users speculate about phones which are not even announced, but ignore one of the most interesting devices this year (imo) which will be released in less than a month.
But if you check other blogs or forums or whatnot, the defy seems to be pretty rare indeed. I still miss some real reviews, not some stupid advertising i'm reading since announcement.
It's a pity, it's an OMAP3610 though. And with the closed bootloader + missing interest of devs in the defy, you won't see custom roms anytime soon...maybe never.
Im not that deep into that topic but i thought that it would be possible to hack the bootloader as there are many hacks for other motorola Phones.
It would be really sad if it could be done but wouldn`t be due to the lack of interest in this phone.
Th OMAP 3610 shoud be quite adequate for the phone - it only lacks GFX-acceleration to its better brothers but for such a phone i doubt that gfx play such an important role.
I would rather like a phone with absolute high-end hardware and a hardware keyboard which is waterproof but i don`t think that will happen soon.
Think of a waterproof HTC Desire Z .... that would be a dream.
Somewhat News here:
According to some tests with quadrant, The Defy uses a OMAP 3610 which is still somehow supported by a PowerVr SGX 530, which was added by Motorola !
With the Omap 3610 and the PowerVR + Android 2.1 it got around 1050 points. Amazing if you look at the phone as a whole now if you ask me.
+ some hints indicate 2 versions of the Phone...with and without Motoblur (For Europe so far)
This phone NEEDS a forum.
If it has a closed bootloader it dont eed a forum. Because u cant do any rooting stuff with your phone!
And that prevents admins to make a forum with "General", "Accessories" and "Themes and Apps" ?
+ without a forum to increase popularity, there will be little efforts to take the bootloader under further investigation.
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If it has a closed bootloader it dont eed a forum. Because u cant do any rooting stuff with your phone!
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Certainly didn't stop them from putting up forums for the Milestone, the Droid X, Droid 2 et cetera. It could well still be rootable, moddable, exploitable by 2nd-boot or other such methods, etc.
So, any news on a cetegory?
The phone is avaible and seems to be quite good even without gfx-processor.
Tmo just announced it
http://www.t-mobile.com/shop/phones...&WT.z_searchTerm=defy&WT.z_searchProduct=DEFY
Just announced for $99 on contract.
Hoping for root for this one.
Get 2.2 on this and it could be a great phone for those who spend time outside and don't want to worry about a dead phone if it rains.
The defy has been rooted used the droid 2 root method
I have a thread at M3 http://modmymobile.com/forums/580-motorola-defy/557910-motorola-defy-root-droid2method.html
Awesome...before release even! Hope to quickly see some ROMs for it to bring it up to 2.2.
I'll likely get it next month after my current contract runs out.
Rooting the Defy won't necessarily mean a custom 2.2 ROM. They've established the root method works, but nothing has been said of the recovery/ROM methods, which for the Droid X and Droid 2 are already pretty makeshift.
yeah, that is why I'm hoping.
hate to see a phone come out behind what is current so I come here to xda hoping to see it is upgradable even if not officially.
Sucks that moto would release a niche phone like this that is behind from the start though. They released droid x with 2.1 and updated a month or two later, but that was on verizon. Not thinking they'll be so quick to update on Tmo.
Prove me wrong moto! Push the defy up to 2.2. Then I'll buy it without waiting for a custom ROM
It has been confirmed that the defy will get 2.2 by end of year or early next year. custom recovery will be coming soon.. hopefully we can get that done before release as well
where?
jboogie3 said:
It has been confirmed that the defy will get 2.2 by end of year or early next year. custom recovery will be coming soon.. hopefully we can get that done before release as well
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prooflink?
omyg said:
prooflink?
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Update confirmed by Motorola employees on this german forum
http://www.android-hilfe.de/sonstig...-outdoor-smartphone-das-motorola-defy-27.html
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Update confirmed by Motorola employees on this german forum
http://www.android-hilfe.de/sonstig...-outdoor-smartphone-das-motorola-defy-27.html
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Wouldn't quite take this as gospel, but it makes me hopeful!
hope for rooting a defy?
i hope there is a possibility in the near future for rooting a defy (in a simple way, because for me it's something new.
it seems there are (a lot) people interested in this.
i saw motoblur and didn't like, so it would be fine if one can delte it.
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i hope there is a possibility in the near future for rooting a defy (in a simple way, because for me it's something new.
it seems there are (a lot) people interested in this.
i saw motoblur and didn't like, so it would be fine if one can delte it.
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From what I have read about it you can't just get rid of motoblur...it is more than widgets on the homescreen(s). Some have said you can install other homescreens, but I don't think that will remove it either...just make it look different. All said most people say the latest version of motoblur is much better than the first one.
Time will tell, but I'm still hoping for ROMS on the DEFY.
The Defy actually has a GPU: The powerVR 530 as can be seen on the official site here.
Actually, the defy is recognised as a phone with an OMAP6130 by motorolas Flash-tool.
Hi all,
my first post here.
am really confused b/w Desire Z and Milestone 2. I neeeeeed a keyboard. tired of X10's onscreen keyboard rite now.
am not worried about the CPU clock speeds of OMAP and MSMs though.And not really worried about the Blur or sense stuff.
Any statistics on the GPU performance? saw the FPS on Desire Z's MSM7230 reached around 55. how much is Moto scoring in that area?
Has anyone here got a chance to play with both of these?
regards
Aj700
Another thing you should think about. Is that the milestone's bootloader is heavely locked. So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
You can see that in the Milestone forums. We are still waiting on the 2.2 upgrade. And they where actually considering not to release the 2.2 upgrade. Even though there are bugs in the pressent 2.1 firmware. (Very poor 2d framerate for instance)
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Another thing you should think about. Is that the milestone's bootloader is heavely locked. So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
You can see that in the Milestone forums. We are still waiting on the 2.2 upgrade. And they where actually considering not to release the 2.2 upgrade. Even though there are bugs in the pressent 2.1 firmware. (Very poor 2d framerate for instance)
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That's a completely fair point. I have the original Milestone, and actually wouldn't mind sticking with it if it weren't for their bootloader. Nothing wrong with the hardware itself, and the TI core is awesome. Still wont ever buy another device from Motorola unless they change their policies. Sure, HTC also has some restrictions, and you hear people complain about slow updates once in a blue mood, but they are easily the right choice, as the lesser of two evils.
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So all the costum roms, will only be with the kernels released officialy by motorola. So you will newer be able to upgrade proberly with custom roms, after they abandon the phone
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Hi, does that also mean HTC Sense cannot be loaded onto a Milestone 2, or just that Motorola 'Motoblur' improvements won't be possible unless direct from Motorola?
(Excuse my ignorance, I've read through pages on the Milestone 1 forum, but don't understand much of it since I've been Windows Mobile up to now.)
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That's a completely fair point. I have the original Milestone, and actually wouldn't mind sticking with it if it weren't for their bootloader. Nothing wrong with the hardware itself, and the TI core is awesome. Still wont ever buy another device from Motorola unless they change their policies. Sure, HTC also has some restrictions, and you hear people complain about slow updates once in a blue mood, but they are easily the right choice, as the lesser of two evils.
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I was under the impression that the rooting exploits which worked on Droid variants will work on Milestones too. So its not as u guys suggest. And above all, I am not sure I will get a OTA update from Moto here, as I have never seen a moto phone at stores here. Moto doesnt looks interested in markets here????
AFAIK diff b/w msm8255 (inside HD) and msm7230( in Z) is only the cpu frequency. If it crosses 1GHz then it goes into 8series.
but for the reduced CPU clock we get a phy keyboard with Z. And the reduced 256MB ram and display sizes should help with little less power consumption. may be thats why they included a lesser 1300mAh battery.
well then HTC desire Z is the chosen one form me, if am gonna buy a new one!
Despite this forum is young, this has been discussed previously
The Droid2/Milestone2 is a natural contender for the Desire Z
More news: The "DROID2 PRO" or "DROID2 WORLD EDITION" (Moto A956) will be 1.2GHz - more info and some benchmarks here:
http://www.droid-life.com/2010/09/2...marks-and-system-info-hello-1-2ghz-processor/
The Mileston2/Droid2 beats the Desire Z in every aspect (faster processor, 8 GB RAM, dual LED flash, slightly smaller and lighter... etc) BUT it is motorola, not HTC
HTC has more community support and developers/hackers devoted
Root, bootloader, whatever you name it, HTC will have it first
BUT as I stated in another thread, the Desire Z's 800MHz processor has me wondering if those supposedly "gingerbread (android 3.0) minnimum hardware specs" will be a major issue for a future upgrade to android 3.0
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gtrab said:
Despite this forum is young, this has been discussed previously
The Droid2/Milestone2 is a natural contender for the Desire Z
More news: The "DROID2 PRO" or "DROID2 WORLD EDITION" (Moto A956) will be 1.2GHz - more info and some benchmarks here:
droid-life.com/2010/09/22/droid-2-global-benchmarks-and-system-info-hello-1-2ghz-processor/
The Mileston2/Droid2 beats the Desire Z in every aspect (faster processor, 8 GB RAM, dual LED flash, slightly smaller and lighter... etc) BUT it is motorola, not HTC
HTC has more community support and developers/hackers devoted
Root, bootloader, whatever you name it, HTC will have it first
BUT as I stated in another thread, the Desire Z's 800MHz processor has me wondering if those supposedly "gingerbread (android 3.0) minnimum hardware specs" will be a major issue for a future upgrade to android 3.0
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on Gingerbread side I am confident that it will definitely come to Desire Z. even if not official OTA update comes out, its the same CPU core(ARMv7) on HD and on the same chipset family (MSMs) so that should be more than enough for this wonderful community to port it across.
Thanks for pointing to the benchmark results. I ran a quick search for the same benchmark on MSM series and saw this smartphonebenchmarks.com/forum/index.php?/topic/83-msm8255-adreno-205-in-htc-desire-hd-gets-quadrant-benchmark-tested/
this is huge improvement.
you can see more benchmarks here. smartphonebenchmarks.com/
So with the kind of community tweak and fixes Samsung Hummingbird is getting, if it comes to the new gen MSMs we are looking at here, we may see more performance. feel free to say if I am wrong.
regards
Aj700
I used HTC device for over 8years, voice quality never improved, that why I jump to motorola, I need a phone more then a PDA.
It's been said before and I'll say it again. Despite the Droid/Milestone 2 looking like the tastier hardware, their software development and support leaves a lot to be desired.
Most Milestone owners will tell you they won't buy Moto again, despite their awesome hardware, because Moto do not give a sh*t about supporting their phones or bug fixing. Add in the fact the bootloaders are locked down, meaning noone else can fix their mistakes, and it starts to look like their is only one choice - the Desire Z.
I really, really want the Droid 2 World Edition that's coming out - that chrome and white just looks the business in my opinion. But I know I'll be sorry if I buy it.
http://phandroid.com/2010/09/22/dro...d-with-its-own-silver-and-white-color-scheme/
colala said:
I used HTC device for over 8years, voice quality never improved, that why I jump to motorola, I need a phone more then a PDA.
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You must not have upgraded phones in 8 years then, I can tell a huge difference between my Kaiser to my Leo.
Even then, I've yet to use a Motorola phone that doesn't have horrid battery life
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I was under the impression that the rooting exploits which worked on Droid variants will work on Milestones too. So its not as u guys suggest. And above all, I am not sure I will get a OTA update from Moto here, as I have never seen a moto phone at stores here. Moto doesnt looks interested in markets here????
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Rooting has nothing to do with custom ROMs and upgradeability. Rooting gives you root, and that's all. Nothing else. You can run apps requiring a superuser (screenshot apps, MarketEnabler,...) and that's it.
Second step in case of Motorola phones with locked bootloader is using a custom userland. That is - you can change anything in phone but the kernel. So you can put a 2.2 UI on top of a 2.1 kernel - but you won't have the JIT and many other cool stuff. And when Google releases 3.0, you won't have that either if some functionality will depend on new kernel. This is the main problem - you can make a semi-cyanogenmod, where you place all UI improvements into a update package, but that's all, it's not 2.2. It's 2.2 UI running on Android 2.1 on Motorola 2.1 kernel.
The last step are full custom ROMs, uncluding custom/new kernels, not made and/or signed by Motorola. This is impossible to do on Motorola phones, which means when Motorola stops providing updates for your phone you won't get any updates from anyone. No community updates, no Motorola updates.
This plus the support speed of Motorola (2.1 released in April, reboot bug fixed in September) makes Motorola a very, very, very, very bad choice. Also ask all DEXT owners what do they think about Motorola support for their phones (aka no Android 2.1 for DEXT).
Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones. They made their point in non-US markets with DEXT and Milestone and get a lot of bad publicity thanks to this. US market is learning this now with Droid 2 and Droid X, they already got their first batch of bugs specific to Motorola phones which are going to be fixed slooowly (the SMS bug).
So, if you really want the better phone, get the Desire Z. It's not the hardware, but the support which really matters. What is all the better specs of Milestone 2 worth if it is plagued with bugs all over the place.
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Rooting has nothing to do with custom ROMs and upgradeability. Rooting gives you root, and that's all. Nothing else. You can run apps requiring a superuser (screenshot apps, MarketEnabler,...) and that's it.
Second step in case of Motorola phones with locked bootloader is using a custom userland. That is - you can change anything in phone but the kernel. So you can put a 2.2 UI on top of a 2.1 kernel - but you won't have the JIT and many other cool stuff. And when Google releases 3.0, you won't have that either if some functionality will depend on new kernel. This is the main problem - you can make a semi-cyanogenmod, where you place all UI improvements into a update package, but that's all, it's not 2.2. It's 2.2 UI running on Android 2.1 on Motorola 2.1 kernel.
The last step are full custom ROMs, uncluding custom/new kernels, not made and/or signed by Motorola. This is impossible to do on Motorola phones, which means when Motorola stops providing updates for your phone you won't get any updates from anyone. No community updates, no Motorola updates.
This plus the support speed of Motorola (2.1 released in April, reboot bug fixed in September) makes Motorola a very, very, very, very bad choice. Also ask all DEXT owners what do they think about Motorola support for their phones (aka no Android 2.1 for DEXT).
Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones. They made their point in non-US markets with DEXT and Milestone and get a lot of bad publicity thanks to this. US market is learning this now with Droid 2 and Droid X, they already got their first batch of bugs specific to Motorola phones which are going to be fixed slooowly (the SMS bug).
So, if you really want the better phone, get the Desire Z. It's not the hardware, but the support which really matters. What is all the better specs of Milestone 2 worth if it is plagued with bugs all over the place.
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so even with the new SuperOneClick root method, it's still not possible to get custom ROMs on the Droid 2/World Edition? Is this correct?
Given the talk about lockdowns for the T-Mobile G2, is there any reason to suspect the HTC DeeZire Z wont also have lockdowns preventing custom ROMs?
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Given the talk about lockdowns for the T-Mobile G2, is there any reason to suspect the HTC DeeZire Z wont also have lockdowns preventing custom ROMs?
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it's hard to tell at this stage..but the device is not T-Mo, so there's hope!
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so even with the new SuperOneClick root method, it's still not possible to get custom ROMs on the Droid 2/World Edition? Is this correct?
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Correct. Root gives you only what it says - a root user, a ability to run the su command, ability to use applications requiring superuser privileges.
With all Motorola phones after Motorola Droid 1, you need a ROM with a kernel signed by Motorola private key. That means, you can right now change everything, except the kernel. In case of Milestone 1, you can put 2.2 UI on top of 2.1 kernel. When they will release 2.2 for Milestone 1, you will be probably able to put 3.0 UI on top of 2.2 kernel - but all the improvements at kernel level won't be available to you. For example in case of MotoFrenzy it means "Video Recorder + camera focus/audio" not working. And you will have problems like this every time you use a older kernel with newer UI.
Until someone comes up with a solution (get the key from Motorola, any of the solutions guys at http://and-developers.com/ are trying), any Motorola phone released after Droid 1 is a bad choice, as you are getting only updates from Motorola, and they don't have a good record in this area. Once you are left behind, you are left behind forever, no community support.
Of course HTC G2/Desire Z has it's own set of problems with this unwritable memory causing only a temporary root working, but this case is more likely to be breaked, as it's not key signing, just a hardware lockout, which will be IMHO solved with the first official update if not sooner (because at first update they will have to unlock the memory which is now locked).
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Simply, Motorola is the evil company in the Android world, and no one should buy their phones...
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you haven't tryed Sony Ericsson
at least there are "ROMs" for the motos,
but SE = no SPL, no bootloader, no ROMs for any of their android phones,
not even the xperia x2 got hard SPL
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is it really a big deal worrying about when a company will stop supporting the phone?? ive been considering a milestone 2 or desire z myself so im interested in a comparision between the two. what difference does it make if motorola stop updates after a year...how often does the average user on here change phones? once a year...maybe 18months..2 years maximum. by then theres another super duper king dong phone out twice as fast lol. so its kind of pointless not buying a phone because motorola/htc/sony etc will stop providing upgrades in a year or two time. we wont have the phone by then! itll be someone elses problem lol. and if u do still have the phone, if they havent solved the major bugs within a year then theres no real hope and u might aswell ditch it and move on anyway.
its more relevant to make the comparison using information available today. most people just want a phone that works out the box, will run a few apps, make calls and wont crash every 10mins which is the better based on the performance, usuability and stablility right now? is the milestone 2 a buggy unusable mess that desperately needs custom roms and fixes? or can the average user quite happily make good use of it in everyday situations without worrying about roms, fixes and patches?
I made a comparison (desire z vs milestone 2)
The milestone 2 beats the D-Z on every aspect, except not being HTC...
Which one will I get ?? Easy:
The first one available with NAM bands
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looked at afew milestone 2 videos and it actually looks laggy on the touchscreen changing from screens.
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is it really a big deal worrying about when a company will stop supporting the phone?? ive been considering a milestone 2 or desire z myself so im interested in a comparision between the two. what difference does it make if motorola stop updates after a year...how often does the average user on here change phones? once a year...maybe 18months..2 years maximum. by then theres another super duper king dong phone out twice as fast lol. so its kind of pointless not buying a phone because motorola/htc/sony etc will stop providing upgrades in a year or two time. we wont have the phone by then! itll be someone elses problem lol. and if u do still have the phone, if they havent solved the major bugs within a year then theres no real hope and u might aswell ditch it and move on anyway.
its more relevant to make the comparison using information available today. most people just want a phone that works out the box, will run a few apps, make calls and wont crash every 10mins which is the better based on the performance, usuability and stablility right now? is the milestone 2 a buggy unusable mess that desperately needs custom roms and fixes? or can the average user quite happily make good use of it in everyday situations without worrying about roms, fixes and patches?
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that's pretty much the philosophy that most phone companies are selling their phones on today - and it's not incorrect! In fact, for most users, having the phone "just work" (even with some minor performance issues) is okay..in fact, the phone can still be great! (just look at the iPhone)
but xda-devs is a forum where a lot of the "hard-core" phone or "enthusiasts" go to try and squeeze everything out of their devices -which is why rooting and custom ROMs are in demand. My Touch HD would have been binned about 6 months ago were it not for the custom ROMs and mods that came out and made it a completely new and interesting device every 2 weeks. So that's why being able to flash a custom ROM on my future device is important - and that's why Desire Z is winning me over the Milestone 2..plus, 800MHz will /probably/ be overclocked to 1GHz+ and the performance benchmarks so far have been amazing
http://www.facebook.com/motorola?sk=wall&filter=1 click the link people like it and comment on it.
I have seen first hand proof of this working. I had an evo 3d. Htc decided all futre devices would have locked bootliaders well that made alot of people angry. Someone posted a thread on xda suggesting we let htc know that is not gna fly. So it turnd out thousands of people got on there facebook wall and twitter. Guess what the next day htc released a statement saying that they wanted too keep there coustamers happy and that the bootloader would be unlocked. They were. Id like to be able too have a device and not have too get a new one juzt because moto or htc or sammy wants too put them out constantly get people too buy them and then ditch them and out out another. The atrix is 100 percent capable of runing ics and theres no excuae for it l not too recieve it just because moto wants people too buy new devices every couple months. I know many many people feel the same way well as i said we have the power too change that if people would stop bickering and take it seriously. And also if moto started supporting devices longer not just bug fixes but the new android flavors. Id definately make my next device a moto it would do nothing but benefit them
try and get as many people as you can too do the same. It will make a difference.
I'd wait until ICS is released. As things stand today, Atrix has the latest Android version available.
Yes that is correct how ever the atrix 2 is not a good sign for us. And it is a good idea too voice our oppinion before they stop supporting our phone if we do after really wouldnt have the same effect in my oppinion
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Yes that is correct how ever the atrix 2 is not a good sign for us. And it is a good idea too voice our oppinion before they stop supporting our phone if we do after really wouldnt have the same effect in my oppinion
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Yeah but the atrix 2 is a stepdown compared to atrix 1!
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I'd wait until ICS is released. As things stand today, Atrix has the latest Android version available.
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It's running 2.3.7? Thats news to me, also have people not seen the leaked videos? It appears to have all on screen buttons. Like honeycomb. Not sure it would work on the atrix. The screen is already small enough
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The Atrix is really close to being officially supported by CM. Once ICS is released and the CM team makes their latest version (will be CM9) it will have ICS and will work with with the Atrix.
re: official CYyanogen support, do you know this officially or are you speculating?
not being rude, genuinely want to know
I have no doubt that the Atrix "could" handle ICS.
The Nexus S is rumored to get ICS, and that phone has half the muscle of the Atrix...
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.... i don't see what the idea of potentially spamming their facebook page will do (Didn't actually go to their facebook page... just read that's where your link was going to redirect). The phone is only 7 months old.... i'm fairly certain they're WELL AWARE that we want ICS. I mean wtf... look how much flak they got from every moron in the world when the Atrix was still running Froyo.
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.... i don't see what the idea of potentially spamming their facebook page will do (Didn't actually go to their facebook page... just read that's where your link was going to redirect). The phone is only 7 months old.... i'm fairly certain they're WELL AWARE that we want ICS. I mean wtf... look how much flak they got from every moron in the world when the Atrix was still running Froyo.
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They got tons of flak for promising gingerbread for the Motorola Milestone (gsm version of OG Droid) and then saying nevermind. Mind you, this was merely 1 year after the milestone came out as well. Gingerbread for the Atrix was inevitable. Not giving the Atrix gingerbread would be a PR disaster. What people fail to realise about a CM port of ICS to the Atrix is that if Moto decides to EOL the Atrix after only a year with no ICS upgrade, you lose out on updated drivers, kernel, and baseband. Sure we'd have ICS, but it won't run as well as a phone that natively has ICS.
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They got tons of flak for promising gingerbread for the Motorola Milestone (gsm version of OG Droid) and then saying nevermind. Mind you, this was merely 1 year after the milestone came out as well. Gingerbread for the Atrix was inevitable. Not giving the Atrix gingerbread would be a PR disaster. What people fail to realise about a CM port of ICS to the Atrix is that if Moto decides to EOL the Atrix after only a year with no ICS upgrade, you lose out on updated drivers, kernel, and baseband. Sure we'd have ICS, but it won't run as well as a phone that natively has ICS.
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You mean Froyo for the Milestone. They had to release it since they advertised flash on the box.
However the Froyo update basically killed the Milestone. Even Motorola put out a disclaimer that basically said the upgrade may cause performance issues.
The memory on the Milestone was perfect for eclair, but Froyo gave it a brain freeze...
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I have no doubt that the Atrix "could" handle ICS.
The Nexus S is rumored to get ICS, and that phone has half the muscle of the Atrix...
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Half the muscle? The humming bird chipset is far superior than the tegra. Just not clocked as fast. And the exynos chipset blows the tegra 2 out of the water.
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Half the muscle? The humming bird chipset is far superior than the tegra. Just not clocked as fast. And the exynos chipset blows the tegra 2 out of the water.
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Still the Atrix has the extra core which is supposed to be optimized in ICS, plus double the ram over the Nexus S...
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I was not implying spamm there pages i meant voice our oppinion let moto know theres alot of people who like this device and we want them to continue its support. And if they do that would really be. In there favor id most likely choise moto for my next device
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You mean Froyo for the Milestone. They had to release it since they advertised flash on the box.
However the Froyo update basically killed the Milestone. Even Motorola put out a disclaimer that basically said the upgrade may cause performance issues.
The memory on the Milestone was perfect for eclair, but Froyo gave it a brain freeze...
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Not so much
Froyo runs great on my Milestone, I heard GB makes it very sluggish
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Not so much
Froyo runs great on my Milestone, I heard GB makes it very sluggish
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Froyo was the reason why I sold my Milestone. Eclair was smoothly, and for whatever reason I could never flash back to Eclair. Every time I tried going back, I got forced closed errors everywhere.
If the Milestone had 512mb of ram, I probably would still be using it since I really liked the build quality of that phone...
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I guess Milestones handled the OS differently than other
Guys. The atrix is getting ICS.
Chill
god if ics is any better than the ics launcher in the market ill bee in heaven
cause this launcher is sweet
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Do you think Defy (MB525) has any chance to get Ice Cream Sandwich update?
Do hardware limitations (477/512 RAM) make it just a dream?
22 Oct - from the official Motorola Mobility Twitter account:
@laarsnl We'll be releasing devices for ICS 6 weeks after Google releases the final version of it
Sources: See GSMarena .com and Twitter
I think we will get it at least with cyanogenmod. At today google and Motorola are the same things.... I don't think that they doesn't want to update their phone....
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mb motorola will make ICS official rom for defy+ and then devs port it to common defy
alexemel said:
mb motorola will make ICS official rom for defy+ and then devs port it to common defy
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+1
or just wait for the next CM
10x for the answers.
Other opinions?
What will be your conservative prognosis of Defy+ getting ICS? 12 weeks from now?
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strikoo said:
Who cares, Nokia is BACK!
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Who cares ,its windows phone.
Android ftw
This should be deleted.
@strikoo
No thanks for trolling & my point of view:
Nokia, as we knew it, RIP. Elop drove it back 15 years in terms of market share. Microkia has an year to prove it will be a world player or it shall follow the fate of SE and Siemens Mobile.
As we're in a Defy forum, please, do not continue with off-topics.
on topic: we didn't even get an update to 2.3.x android, and you are expecting an update to 4.x, don't be ridiculous.
maybe and just maybe the devs of cm like their defys so much and we all are giving them so much money through donations that they will make an cm rom based on android 4.x...
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on topic: we didn't even get an update to 2.3.x android, and you are expecting an update to 4.x, don't be ridiculous.
maybe and just maybe the devs of cm like their defys so much and we all are giving them so much money through donations that they will make an cm rom based on android 4.x...
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well if it makes cm rom better and defy users happy. Why not. Same as ICS or windows, they make them because they get money out of it and it makes people happy. If somebody us not happy, read below
Got a Headache? It's all in your Head.
I still thinking ... but Defy is likely no chance using. 800mhz quite slow for something like ICS.
Ah, and today's new's that Nexus One don't get the ICS Update, but Nexus S do. What's the difference between them ? Snapdragon and Cortex A8.
Defy+ seems have Cortex A8 too... like the Nexus S. So that's good news for Defy+ users.
^ What a bull**** talking about ?! Defy, "+" and many other phones have TIOMAP 3630 clocked on different frequency. In Nexus S and Defy+ is 1GHz in Defy is 800MHz it's exactly the same CPU and ICS will work pretty well. When code of ICS will be released CM9 will give to us ICS with great performance, no chance to official update since "+" is on the stage.
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on topic: we didn't even get an update to 2.3.x android, and you are expecting an update to 4.x, don't be ridiculous.
maybe and just maybe the devs of cm like their defys so much and we all are giving them so much money through donations that they will make an cm rom based on android 4.x...
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stari ne seri, nokia je mrtva. Si malo ljubomoran na nas prekrasni defy?
bvbfan said:
^ What a bull**** talking about ?! Defy, "+" and many other phones have TIOMAP 3630 clocked on different frequency. In Nexus S and Defy+ is 1GHz in Defy is 800MHz it's exactly the same CPU and ICS will work pretty well. When code of ICS will be released CM9 will give to us ICS with great performance, no chance to official update since "+" is on the stage.
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What day is it for you to stick with phones that have the processor under 1ghz. Even a 1ghz like Snapdragon not capable.
Second, I'm talking about the OFFICIAL UPDATE. not CM9. Sure CM9 will do for Defy, but have bugs.
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stari ne seri, nokia je mrtva. Si malo ljubomoran na nas prekrasni defy?
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why would I be jealous at a phone that I own?
MaxLe said:
I still thinking ... but Defy is likely no chance using. 800mhz quite slow for something like ICS.
Ah, and today's new's that Nexus One don't get the ICS Update, but Nexus S do. What's the difference between them ? Snapdragon and Cortex A8.
Defy+ seems have Cortex A8 too... like the Nexus S. So that's good news for Defy+ users.
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Whywon't it work? It even gets smoother with every new update. Especially low end devices run better on GB then on froyo. Only most new functions are not available for defy (no front camera etc).
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Defy+ could get ics
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labsin said:
Defy+ could get ics
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Likely fully functional.
The hardware between Defy+ and Nexus S is actually ... same
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Likely fully functional.
The hardware between Defy+ and Nexus S is actually ... same
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theres a huge difference between the two hardware (other than the screen): the nexus s has powevr sgx540, the defy only has sgx530... lets not call those the same. and the nexus s is an official google phone, so its totally different. but yeah, since any phone that is capable of running gb, will handle ics, so the defy+ most probably will get the new android.
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theres a huge difference between the two hardware (other than the screen): the nexus s has powevr sgx540, the defy only has sgx530... lets not call those the same. and the nexus s is an official google phone, so its totally different. but yeah, since any phone that is capable of running gb, will handle ics, so the defy+ most probably will get the new android.
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yeah, totally forgot that.
But they don't cause so much problems right ?
Motorola say they will always do at least one OS update on each new phone.
Defy has has its already. So nothing further there.
Defy+ however, shipped with Gingerbread, so it's extremely likely it will get ICS as its designated update.
Hey Folks,
Anyone tested out the Droid 4? I used to have a G1 and loved it. Now I am contemplating switching back to android but want a qwerty. G2 would be great but it seems a bit old/outdated..
Has any G2 user switched to a droid 4 (seems like the best qwerty, with little plans to make a super smartphone with a qwerty) and how is it??
Thanks.
I love my Droid 4, the keyboard is a lot better than the G2.
Pros:
Bigger Screen
Higher Pixel Density
Dual Core 1.2 Ghz CPU
1GB of RAM
Amazing Keyboard
SD Card Support
Eventual ICS
Cons:
Locked Bootloader (Still have the ability to install Custom ROMS, but no Custom Kernels)
Pentile Display (Makes some colors look more dotted)
Still on Gingerbread
Non-Removable Battery
Thanks!! Super helpful.
Hmm unfortunately the locked bootloader is quite unfortunate. Might be a dealbreaker. (Also no sim card) I swung by a VZ store today to check out the galaxy nexus and also played with the droid 4. Honestly wasnt that impressed with the keyboard, although its probably because I have been spoiled by my blackberry 9900 which has the best keyboard ever. Suppose its going to be hard to find a better keyboard.
I am now swinging towards the gnex with a prepaid plan through tmobile for $30/month (!!). Gosh I am so indecisive.
PS- check your phone OTA for updates, the guy in store was updating the Droid4 there to ICS.
Was thinking about getting a droid 4 myself but the support for it is minimal on xda, maybe its a little better on roots wiki?
The bootstrap n the names they have for recovery is a bit confusing why not just say recovery, bootloader etc.
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PS- check your phone OTA for updates, the guy in store was updating the Droid4 there to ICS.
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The only official ICS for the D4 are the leaked builds, but not official OTA yet. The only Moto phone that is getting updates right now is the Droid Razr/Razr MAXX to ICS. The guy at the VZW Store must be updating to the leak builds lol.
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The only official ICS for the D4 are the leaked builds, but not official OTA yet. The only Moto phone that is getting updates right now is the Droid Razr/Razr MAXX to ICS. The guy at the VZW Store must be updating to the leak builds lol.
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Oh sorry perhaps he was updating the droid razr, etc rather than the droid4. It was the OTA update as I watched him do it (obviously not that carefully lol). Sorry for the false hope