Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
The situation with android tablets isn't anything to worry about.
It's really no different than the PC world where there are at any given time multiple generations of PCs out there, which developers use the tools of a standard API (in the PC's case, DirectX or OpenGL) to scale the performance across the target platforms.
Since everything PC is x86, unless you're -really- trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of your game, or unless a company has paid you to target their specific GPU/CPU's extensions, you don't have to worry about specific architecture.
On Android tablets, everything is ARM in one flavor or another, and you're writing to OpenGL ES 2.0. You'll be able to use specific extensions in OpenGL ES to target newer rendering features so you can scale up your graphics for newer GPUs, but since it's a standard API, you should be able to have one apk for all target platforms.
The premiere game engine for Android, Unity, makes this especially easy.
tl:dr don't worry, newer games will still work on your Xoom after the next generation tegra/OMAP/whatever come out. You just might not have all the rendering features in the game.
You are becoming familiar with whats known as Moores Law (linky). We are in a time where it is accelerating very rapidly. And what seems to us like great strides are actually very small in the grand scheme of transistors. Primarily because we have been so used to getting a new processor every 1-2 years on a desktop scale for the past 15 years, with small .1 ghz improvements farther in the past, too recent additions of whole processor cores.
Pretty much, unless you have tons of $ to drop on devices, you will no longer be able to stay cutting edge for long, (+/-6 months of growth for new platforms to hit the market). Especially in the hot world of mobile devices.
You can almost count on the day the release the QuadCore NVidia or OMAP chips, that 6 months down the road is a new chip that A) Has More Power B)Uses less Power C)Cost less - Pick two - that will be the new "in thing" for mobile.
Kcarpenter is dead on.
Tablets are even more hot right now because companies have seen how well Apple is doing with the iPad.
They want a piece of the market-share, so are throwing lots and lots of R&D dollars at newer, better, faster tablet tech.
Honestly, there is only a small handful of good looking games/apps made for 3.1. Devs should take advantage of the current gen single core phones/tegra 2 before moving on to quad core. It's probably going to be like the pc, it takes awhile for devs to actually take ADVANTAGE of the hardware. I still boot up some games and they only max out a few threads out of my core i7.
tl;dr: You have at least a 8 months - 1 year on the xoom.
I think it's more market forces than Moore's Law. The tablet platform is wide open, and no company wants to get left behind. Unlike the desktop where Intel had a lock on the x86, many competitors are gunning for SoC slot. Nothing revs up a product cycle faster than the threat of competition.
It's the same for device vendors and OS vendors. Take Microsoft. It took them 6 years to go from XP to Vista, and 3 years to Win7, for really fairly minor evolutionary changes. Why? Because they had no competition. We'll see how fast Ballmer can make his EGRs dance, now with his Windows cash cow on a hook. I'd be shocked if Win8 doesn't show up by next year.
Some MS dude is supposed to give a "state of Windows" address soonish at Computex. We'll see what tidbits he can serve up. From the rumor mill, it sounds like MS want to go the Apple route, buying Nokia's phone biz for 19 bils, and dictating what hardware vendors can build.
Likewise, I'd be shocked if Moto & co won't have a refresh to their line-ups this year. The Xoom never sold well, and sales won't get any better. (The eBay thing is probably to clear out inventories.) Back-to-school and Xmas are the two largest buying seasons of the year. There'll be many shiny new toys for kiddies to ask Santa for.
jerses said:
Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
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Nvidia is a hardware manufacturer and they are betting the farm on Tegra. If you look at their roadmap they are aiming to make each new version of Tegra obsolete within less than a year of it being released. They want to maintain a high demand for the latest and greatest chips and they can't do that with just incremental improvements (see the current state of PC gaming).
Tech demos are always going to push the limits but most games are going to aim lower. Most will target Tegra 2 and add features if Tegra 3 is available.
@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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I'm guessing that Ice Cream Sandwich is a step in that direction.
One OS for tablets and phones and GoogleTV sounds like an attempt to bring write-once, run anywhere to developers, which is what will allow the ecosystem to grow unrestrained.
As much interest as there is in Android, there really aren't that many developers taking it seriously. I expect that'll change if ICS is what I think it will be.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/microsoft-reveals-arm-powered-windows-8-prototypes/
already prototypes of the newer tegra procs oh no
Also, keep in mind that Tegra 2 is last year technology. It's not just "a few months old".
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/nvidia-kal-el-development-platform-hands-on-video/
Tech buyer is a catch 22, and it is people like us who power it.
We buy hot new tech Product 1 with a hot new Mach 2 processor. We have now identified ourselves as the sort of person who will buy hot new gadgets. However we already bought this one, so they can't make more money from us...or can they?
They use the money we paid them to create hotter, newer Product 2 with a hotter, newer Mach 4 processor...and some new screen voodoo...and less weight. They ramp up the hype knowing the same things that made us buy Product 1 will make us buy Product 2 and feed into that same hype, making Product 2 a must have product, even for people who resisted Product 1. "LOOK...Even people who bought Product 1 are eager to buy Product 2!! They must know something..we must ALL need one!!!!" Our embracing of something ensures that it will be replaced by a better version in a year.
Who has made this process into an art form?
Well...replace the work Product with iPad....
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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
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Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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Jesus christ!!! I wonder what's going to be available when its time to upgrade ?
So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
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So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
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Ummm....what? Did you read it? Future releases don't have to have anything out in the wild yet, planning stages are planning stages.
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
Stoichiometric said:
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
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I'm with you dude. if Motorola is going to keep building kill-chips into their handsets, i don't want it.
Considering we're 4 months away from the end of the year and 3 months from the start of the Christmas shopping season, I would think that anything like this would have to be about to start production. I've only heard rumors of dual core and 2 GHz processors, nothing to my knowledge has become available yet. I've heard a lot of news about random tablets and stuff using the Tegra but this is the first I've heard about a Motorola phone. I don't doubt they'll make one but my suspicion is that it won't be available till around Q2 of 2011. Anything like this should be well beyond the planning stage by now if it were going to be released by the end of this year.
aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
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aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
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The reason I say Q2 at the earliest is because of the electronics conventions at the beginning of the year. They'll probably show something off in January-February but it won't become available until at least a couple months later. I could be completely wrong but that seems to be the trend.
We will see when in 2011
yeah, unless there is a major breakthrough in batteries I just don't see this being a good thing
Me thinks it's a tab, not a phone.
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And what android app would take full advantage of 2ghz of processing power???
I'll bet it will make a dandy hand warmer also.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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I saw pocketnow showing Windows 95 running on a nexus one.
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I'm for more power if the batteries can handle it and provide good battery life.. 1ghz is definitely enough for what we have, but never know what the future is going to bring on.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...-have-minimum-specs-require-hd-dual-core.html
Not confirmed but.. still bad news..(at least for the long term as I suspect if the requirements are this high it will be a long time before developers develop specifically to that platform)
I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
Well, I say: let's cross the Honeycomb bridge after paying a visit to the Gingerbread man
I think Gingerbread will make this a much better alrounder than it already is. I have a feeling honeycomb will have the "Windows Vista" effect and then they'll start streamlining the programming again, without the fluff... Giving us the Android equivalent of Win7, but that's my opinion only
I have to admit that when I read this yesterday I was a bit disappointed. If this is in fact the case I will be highly upset due to the fact the honeycomb is supposedly the more "tablet specific" OS so lets hope that this is not the case
I 100% agree... It would be foolish for Google to introduce what would be a new platform and not build on what market penetration they have already with the phones (in other words they need to pull a play from Apple's playbook)
Why I dont believe this is true:
If the tablet comes in with minimums that are higher then the fastest supported phone platform OR the API changes enough that current apps break or future application development changes significantly it will be a very long adoption process. If the prices is the same or higher than the iPAD it will be a huge failure in the short term.
Dont get me wrong I love to see higher specs and newer more robust APIs as the experience will be much better for the consumer but reality is people buy these type of devices based on the number of apps that run on them. As you can see Apple kept to this strategy and has had record sales of their iPAD and will continue to... This approach with the lead unfortunately will be very difficult to overcomb - especially for the masses (us geeks are a different story but success of products depend on the masses not us geeks)
PLUS if they do change the API why havnt they released it to developers.. There is always a ramp up. Take Microsoft for example there is no larger community then the .Net developer community --- and only 5000 apps in all these weeks?
So again, why I dont believe its true:
Very Risky Option --- . Companies like to show huge profits and like less risk.. Apple has achieved a great balance with their phone/tablet products.
But this is Google (Young, Hip, Has a huge stash of cash, arrogant, etc.) ... So see below:
Events that leads me to believe that this IS true:
1. Google doesn't officially allow any tablets to access market place. "Current platform not optimized for tablet use" --- this BS as we can all see. The APIs fully support tablets with 2.2.
2. GalaxyTab released with Market ONLY for Cell model - WIFI only model delayed --- Why delayed?? NO reason technically. No work on WIFI model.. Hmmmm
2.5 Samsung announces v2 of the Galaxy will be Tegra based. (just added)
3. Who from the competitive companies (Toshiba, Vizio, Motorola, MSI, Acer, Asus, etc.) who have announced a new tablet coming in 2011, announce that their platform of choice IS NOT Tegra based?? Who who??? I haven't seen anyone. Why? - No one else has a dual core ready.
4. All Tegra based tablets have 512 meg ram --- Hmmm why? Its unnecessary for the platform (all you linux heads know what I mean). I see this as a nice to have. And for those you screaming that this is why the Archos is limited/poor performing -- use the iPAD.. It's interface/applications scream speed and the iPAD only has 256 Meg of ram (and guess what its using a Linux Kernel)
5. Tegra 2 is dual core ---- See 4..
6. Hush hush... Doesn't make sense why Google who "is an open source company" would keep the minimum specs/sdetails on this build so secretive... No leaks from vendors either... Nothing... I have more information on the iPAD 2 than Honeycomb.
7. New companies eLocity, etc. are coming out of the gate using an expensive chip as their first run??? Profit Profit Prof it is key to any new company.. If it would work on a lesser chip they would gone there first..
Simple fun to speculate either way though..
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I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
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As long as we're able to eventually root the device and get a custom ROM installed I wouldn't worry about it. I had a G1 prior to my Nexus One phone. Installing Cyanogenmod on the G1 made the phone much more usable then the vanilla ROM that it came with. The custom ROM guys love to backport the newer stuff for older devices.
http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
No minimums?
That's GingerBread, not Honeycomb.
Asus just demoed their EEPad guess what? Honeycomb tablet NOT running Tegra 2... Dont fret though.... Its using the Qualcom dual core processor... (Note the dual core processor)... Its out in June at 499..
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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Indeed, thanx for the positive outlook, it will be a fun toy, and its not hard on check book either! Like it will be the last tab I ever buy or something.
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Well... after seeing some of the demos and the units which have Honeycomb I can honestly say with some level of confidence that
1. HoneyComb will most certainly be a tablet only OS - I think this is a horrible approach. This will just splinter the development with Phones always having the priority as there are more of them. Apple did it right having the base OS the same and leaving the difference up to the developers on which form factor to target for their app (Microsoft is doing the same if you have ever developed on the new mobile,desktop or gaming platform you know what I mean)
2. It will most certainly require dual core. Everything is a dual core even the EEPAD (not tegra based) that has been talked about that will run Honeycomb...
Positive is Archos will drop in price in a few weeks once pre-orders start for these devices...
Now I want to see what move apple makes... (they will most certainly wait to hear HoneyComb release date and some prices)..
ASUS Eee Pad MeMO:
•BXL Qualcomm Snapdragon 8260 1.2Ghz
Motorola XOOM with no Button (back, home, menu, ect..)
All kind nearly with our cheap Archos... nothing to worry about Honeycomb... just how long they do ^_^
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
Kashban said:
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
#dejavu Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb. Trust me, if there were I'd know.
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See this -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10375484&postcount=16
czesiu said:
as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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burn. just saying.
Wow I kinda feel sad for all the people getting the phones shown at CES.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/24/nvidia-tegra-3-equipped-with-1-5ghz-quad-core-madness-teased-b/
This is what I said yesterday in some debate thread about "Nexus S vs. Vibrant 4G." You can't win the hardware war, you may have the best phone for a week... then something better will be announced. Better off just sticking with a Nexus S or whatever device and wait for a Tegra 3 (Quad Core) on a Nexus device
i'd bet that it will come later than Fall 2011. wouldnt they want to reap the benefits of all their work for the tegra 2 before immediately obsoleting it less than 6 months apart? cant wait though!
RogerPodacter said:
i'd bet that it will come later than Fall 2011. wouldnt they want to reap the benefits of all their work for the tegra 2 before immediately obsoleting it less than 6 months apart? cant wait though!
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I think Nvidia will try and get this out asap. The chip companies are at war with one another and the competition is just heating up. The tegra2 is nice but it will quickly be outmatched by the next wave of dual core chips like Orion, Qualcomm and OMAP. Personally I think it's great because in the end the consumer will win with so many quality choices on the market.
This right here is quad-core.
jlevy73 said:
I think Nvidia will try and get this out asap. The chip companies are at war with one another and the competition is just heating up. The tegra2 is nice but it will quickly be outmatched by the next wave of dual core chips like Orion, Qualcomm and OMAP. Personally I think it's great because in the end the consumer will win with so many quality choices on the market.
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This right here is quad-core.
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Oops, missed that part my bad
Ugh come on people, are we going to go through this drill every time a new chipset comes out? Fine.
Chipsets are HARDWARE, not software. nVidia may announce Tegra3 in the fall, but it will be 2012 until PHONES with that chipset are released. And before that happens, nVidia will be well on their way to releasing Tegra4. That's how companies work, they have to stay 1-2 steps ahead of the game to survive.
So no need to feel bad for people buying Tegra2 phones today; that chipset won't be obsolete for a year.
And just to clear things up, the word "obsolete" seems to be thrown around quite easily nowadays. A chipset currently in mass production doesn't become "obsolete" until a phone with a newer chipset is in mass production. It doesn't become obsolete when a newer chipset is just starting to be talked about. Otherwise heck, Tegra3 is probably already obsolete because I'm sure nVidia's cutting-edge R&D unit is already working on the Tegra4 specs.
Anyway, I quit.
ravidavi said:
Ugh come on people, are we going to go through this drill every time a new chipset comes out? Fine.
Chipsets are HARDWARE, not software. nVidia may announce Tegra3 in the fall, but it will be 2012 until PHONES with that chipset are released. And before that happens, nVidia will be well on their way to releasing Tegra4. That's how companies work, they have to stay 1-2 steps ahead of the game to survive.
So no need to feel bad for people buying Tegra2 phones today; that chipset won't be obsolete for a year.
And just to clear things up, the word "obsolete" seems to be thrown around quite easily nowadays. A chipset currently in mass production doesn't become "obsolete" until a phone with a newer chipset is in mass production. It doesn't become obsolete when a newer chipset is just starting to be talked about. Otherwise heck, Tegra3 is probably already obsolete because I'm sure nVidia's cutting-edge R&D unit is already working on the Tegra4 specs.
Anyway, I quit.
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Agreed but I'd take it a step further and say that tech isn't obsolete until new tech is widely accepted as the standard and that won't happen in my opinion until trgra2 doesn't devour battery life lol
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kenvan19 said:
Agreed but I'd take it a step further and say that tech isn't obsolete until new tech is widely accepted as the standard and that won't happen in my opinion until trgra2 doesn't devour battery life lol
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I will be curious to see the reports on this in real world usage which should be soon since the LG was just released in S. Korea.
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I will be curious to see the reports on this in real world usage which should be soon since the LG was just released in S. Korea.
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Definitely will be interesting to see, I'm hoping for an in depth engadget review.
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this reminds me about how the whole "64 bit" architecture for desktop processors were hyped..
back then, i felt that the leap would be SOO HUGE that the world wud come to a halt at the speed we could compute things...
i remember telling my friends .. "wait a few months more. .. 64 bit computers are coming ..and with them, special types of hardware that will allow u to run ENTIRE games from your RAM"
64 bit computers came and probably something else is in the make now ..
they probably HAVE impacted massively in someway technical in some research lab ..
but for the end user.. the 'umph-factor' wasn't GREAT ..i'm not saying it was absent ... just ... well felt more marketing hype than anything else
abhilashraj said:
this reminds me about how the whole "64 bit" architecture for desktop processors were hyped..
back then, i felt that the leap would be SOO HUGE that the world wud come to a halt at the speed we could compute things...
i remember telling my friends .. "wait a few months more. .. 64 bit computers are coming ..and with them, special types of hardware that will allow u to run ENTIRE games from your RAM"
64 bit computers came and probably something else is in the make now ..
they probably HAVE impacted massively in someway technical in some research lab ..
but for the end user.. the 'umph-factor' wasn't GREAT ..i'm not saying it was absent ... just ... well felt more marketing hype than anything else
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Sort of, but not exactly. Multi-core architectures do significantly increase performance. A 2.4GHz Dual core VS a 3.0GHz single core will win ever time because it can handle more processes per second. I'm no engineer but my understanding would be that the only time a 3.0GHz single core would beat a dual would be at below 1.5GHz because it would then be running the same number of processes per second. I could be wildly wrong about that last part so don't quote me on it but the first part is true.
I could not get it ...
http://pocketnow.com/android/android-ice-cream-sandwich-to-be-optimized-for-texas-instruments
And even rumor to use Qualcomm for the "J" iteration.
Well, for me it is fine to have it on any kind of SoC platform.
But the thing that I REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE is the situation like now with Tegra 2, fragmentation on SoC based apps! The famous Tegra Zone Games.
Google, are you killing the Android platform?
I hope that news is incorrect, or at least Google will not make TI or certain platform something special!
Just because they are focusing on optimizing for TI doesn't mean they will remove old code drivers that were optimized for Tegra2 et al.
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Just because they are focusing on optimizing for TI doesn't mean they will remove old code drivers that were optimized for Tegra2 et al.
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Exactly and Ice Cream Sandwich will most probably support existing phones/tablets because it is a unifying platform. So if there is some extra optimisation code then no big deal.
Still the folks here are more concerned about the release of the 10.1 then of a rumoured development in a future Android operating system.
Eclair/Froyo - Snapdragon
Gingerbread - Hummingbird
Honeycomb - Tegra 2
They use different reference designs for different android versions, this is nothing new and doesn't really change anything.
Well... first of all it sucks that I was wrong :-( and GT 10.1 retail will have Tegra 2 inside (I wonder who will put out there first honeycomb tablet with something different than T2).
I still have a bit hope left for 3G enabled version... but not much.
Now... I would not put to much into this optimisation.
As far as I remember from the firs leaks of honeycomb (even before we knew Moto was the chosen company) and from Google Honeycomb presentation, whole system was redesigned, kernel... al of it... and Tegra was reference platform, and blah blah blah...
Who remembers firs opinions about how Xoom was laggish, sluggish, not smooth, etc?
Now... we would know if there is any difference with A 3.1 on different SOC if there would be different SOC out there to compare
But judging from ports to devices like Nook I'd say this whole - "You are the chosen one TI, for this" is just marketing bull****.
It will run fine on all ARM SOC - better on more powerful constructions and worse on cheaper (less powerful) ones.
Since GT 10.1 seems like a complete disappointment (no sd slot and tegra inside) I am switching my focus on next gen of tablets that will be able to replace my netbook for entertainment.
Kal-El/Xoom2 - how soon can u be here? ;-)
Want a bet?
Rumors will start around August September ...
Prototype will emerge or better leaked or teased around October and November ...
Device will be announced on December together with Google Release of Android ICS ...
Show of and hands on will be on January 2012 ... During CES show ...
Another show on Mobile World Congress on February ...
That would be the most plausible release scenario ...
Don't expect sooner, because most major manufacturers have just released new products. Some are not even available yet!
Except HTC, but usually they will use Snapdragon.
Xoom 2? They even cannot come up with current Xoom LTE update, SD card activation, what not ...
In the mean time, I will enjoy my GTab 10.1 for few months. Then sell it when the Google Nexus Tablet released
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Well... first of all it sucks that I was wrong :-( and GT 10.1 retail will have Tegra 2 inside (I wonder who will put out there first honeycomb tablet with something different than T2).
I still have a bit hope left for 3G enabled version... but not much.
Now... I would not put to much into this optimisation.
As far as I remember from the firs leaks of honeycomb (even before we knew Moto was the chosen company) and from Google Honeycomb presentation, whole system was redesigned, kernel... al of it... and Tegra was reference platform, and blah blah blah...
Who remembers firs opinions about how Xoom was laggish, sluggish, not smooth, etc?
Now... we would know if there is any difference with A 3.1 on different SOC if there would be different SOC out there to compare
But judging from ports to devices like Nook I'd say this whole - "You are the chosen one TI, for this" is just marketing bull****.
It will run fine on all ARM SOC - better on more powerful constructions and worse on cheaper (less powerful) ones.
Since GT 10.1 seems like a complete disappointment (no sd slot and tegra inside) I am switching my focus on next gen of tablets that will be able to replace my netbook for entertainment.
Kal-El/Xoom2 - how soon can u be here? ;-)
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Want a bet?
Rumors will start around August September ...
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In the mean time, I will enjoy my GTab 10.1 for few months. Then sell it when the Google Nexus Tablet released
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I suspect that your timetable is about right. I remember when tablets were teased back in 2010 (and iPad killers were promised) and look at the date and what is in the shops.
Of course this can change because of CPU manufacturers... no one wants to be last but first so if one company will present new gen. of soc as production/orders ready things might be coming to market a bit faster.
I would think that the best period to start sales would be around x-mass. But that would meant that product would be teased now... unless a company will FINALLY do things Apple way and will present ready product mid November and sales will start in December - but I would be really surprised.
Regarding your last sentence... I wish it would be so easy
Since it took me a while to gather funds for tablet I am afraid I will not be able to cover up difference to get the next gen of tablet.
Not to mention that as things are this would be a wasted cash with me :-( - No netflix (i am using it daily), no mkv high profile 720p (tha same).
I would still have to keep netbook :-(
Why Google is dumping Nvidia?
Because quite soon we will see Microsoft buy Nvidia!
And since MS has/will have an OS that will compete with Android the less nvidia knows about the coming ICS the better
Ipad3 is about to hit, and it'll have at least a 2000x1500 display. The little 4.5" android phones now have 1280x800 displays and look fabulous - plus the new ones announced at the show in January. The little 11" Macbook Air (I know, a different monster) boasts a 1400x900 display - and that was 2 years ago. And they'll get a tech refresh in April that will likely come close to doubling that. As my boss told me -- "It's all about the screen, stupid".
Half of the current run Tablets have soldered in batteries, half don't even have an SD slot. Those that do use Micro SDs and not the full SDs - which are 3x in capacity and much cheaper. The file systems are archaic, and most don't even use journaling.
Most tablets are stuck on 1GB of usable OS ram, some only 512M - circa 2007. Most come out of the factory "locked" so we can't even improve them ourselves. Any improvements are laughingly done by some pretty smart anonymous developers that are doing your job - something you should have done on the drawing board in the first place. (Give HTC an A+ for unlocking the majority of their equipment - despite the threats from ATT and Verizon lawyers). Some of the tablets are locked into cell companies contracts, and most make pitiful phones anyway.
Most are stuck on cell phone processors, with cell phone graphics chips, cell phone IO controllers, and cell phone memory controllers. None have SDDrives (Ipad3 will blow us away with those too in April - watch).
Some are narrowed down to one vendors files types for reading, and reluctantly include other reading s/w (pdfs etc) as if someone twisted their arms. And non-native formats are ALWAYS just awful on these machines (Nooks, Fires etc).
None have Linux as a base, although with enough trouble we can do it ourselves sans the majority of broken functionality (drivers don't work, bugs, lags, bluetooth, batteries etc). And most can't run in the little 1GB of RAM put in these devices anyway.
These manufacturers just don't get it. They're all about to get their collective butts kicked with the new Ipad, and they'll sit back and scratch their heads saying "Why, we didn't know you customers wanted hi-res displays - nobody told us that - it's not our fault".
Ok guys, and that includes you, Samsung. And you, Asus. And Sony and LG and HTC and all the others. You're in for the azz-kicking of your life and you were warned. You're stuck in your closed-door 3x5 room in Communist China, and your products are all ball-and-chained. Jobs was slick enough to make the China-US thing work, and it took $billions to pay off the gov'ts and build production facilities. He made it look easy - but that certainly doesn't mean just anybody can copy that same manufacturing model and make it work as well as Apple did.
It'll take you about 6 months to even come to terms with your incompetence, re-design this mess, and production is another few months after after testing. In the meantime, iPad3 will dominate for the majority of 2012. So maybe next Christmas we'll see some decent Android tablets, or at least the announcements.
Problem is, is you're terrified. You're afraid to do anything similar to what Steve did. You're scared you'll be fired next day. You have neither the capital nor the balls, nor the competence to produce decent equipment. So if I were you I'd just give it up until October - that'll give you ~1/2 year of humility to get your act together. In the meantime, please don't put out yet ANOTHER 1024x768 tablet with promises of OS upgrades someday on the shelves with fanfare. Besides, the Samsung Note cellphone makes a much better Tablet than anything you've produced to date
I can't agree more with what you posted. But posting this here, will do nothing to make things change. Also I know it isn't your intent, but your post does sound like "apple fan boy". I know that's not what your saying, its just the way it comes across.
What made HTC re-think their bootloader policy? Public/User/Developer pressure.
Create a Facebook group and get the word out. I'm all for better quality, more developer friendly devices.
I suggest Facebook as XDA has only 4 million registered users, Facebook has 845 active Million (Source)
Boy, you're right. That did sound like a SJ fanboy now that I re-read it. Thanks so much for the reflection which was right on.
So good insight - the point being that once again Apple has whipped the majority of open source into submission. Once again. And it's just as pointless this time as it has been in the past. This didn't HAVE to happen. The show in Jan should have be way ahead of Apple's power curve and beat them at their own game. That was the Android opportunity. Instead, we got things like a Razr with a bigger battery, and a boatload of maybe type announcements.
Announcements like OS upgrades - the Achilles heel of Android offerings. "Buy this now and we promise to upgrade it next week - we promise - ok"? Sign here.
Somebody mentioned on another forum that some decent quads were supposed to hit the streets around iPad3 time, I sure hope so. But my point is that now Android may be WAY behind, quad, duos, 8x or even matrixed memory. It's hard enough competing with Apple daily, much less when the judges let the Apple horses out of the gate 4 months ahead of all the rest.
A Quad? Well, cool. But what kind of quad? How about Intel? How about RISC? How about 6 or 7A batteries? How about USB3? How about flexible screens? How about firewire or even a fiber standard? But our bragging points over the holidays were these dockable semi-keyboard dual unit thingies multi-part gadgets, sigh.
Actually my point was despite Apple's reign on this whole market we Androiders' have got the best people. We've got the best engineers. The best scientists. We've got the best coders. But it's aggravating that whenever we get a head of steam, we kick our feet on the table, light up a cigar and sure enough - 6 months later Apple sneaks in the back door and forecloses on us. With all the legal fanfare and international press due such an event. These little Androids are just too good to be tossed under the bus because of no-vision like this.
You know, now that we're playing around way up in the jetstream with the big boys, we're now flying into a 200kt headwind here. Not that Apple is already enough of a headache. But NOW we've got the dam cellphone companies so tangled in greed that some feel we may as well just land till the wind dies down. Oh boy, we've got LTE with 2GB caps, with entire rooms full of cellphone company staffers (mostly in India) writing code to catch us busting limits. It's nuts.
In any event, let's don't strut around thinking that since we Android-ers are much more realistic and even sharper than the iPod crowd, that we've naturally got the lead. We don't. Blame it on Google for not policing Android maybe. Or maybe the platforms. Or the manufactures' them selves. Blame isn't the point - the point is they're about to kick our azzes again regardless of fault
Hmm, /some/ points, but I /have/ to correct a few misunderstandings...
ARM is RISC. Saying same as 'cell phone processors' isn't really fair as those cell phone processors are going to be used for the WIN8 tablets (and I suspect Apple's main OS possibly too). Something that used to trundle along at a pedestrian's pace is now capable of great visual/sound processing, decent speed in the UI, background FTP'ing, all whilst using GPS to determing where you are as you yell over the phone (using bluetooth).
Specs for iPad3 are still unknown, probably overflated, and when the devices DO land, probably missing some obvious stuff Android devices already have but WILL be there for the next version! go go goodteam upgrades!
Screens I think have hit the 'good enough for anything' rez, we're going to see varieties of designs, but that's where Android is doing great on different styles. It may have been a bit faffy for devs to make sure their apps work at various sizes/densities, but it'll pay off eventually. It's a problem Windows machines solve easily enough, and eventually, if Apple DO want to offer more choice, something they'll need to master too. There'll be bigger/faster gfx chips able to pump out more triangles, and as you correctly say, the memory busses could do with a bit more oomph to help that, but this are all problems solved on the desktop, and the chip manufacturers are doing a great job bringing faster speeds with lower power to better looking displays. Rez? Probably not going to change that much, but the contrast/ability to clearly see outdoors using these things? that'll get a bit of a bump I think yet.
I'm with you on the SD slot. Wish there were more devices using the larger slot, would give more upgrade room later. What we've got works fine for pure memory though, it's just additional storage. As to filesystems? Meh, what we've got there is fine, looks like a few people are switching to ext4, but it's a decent filesystem, battle tested and improved.
PDF's/SWF's/doc's, there's apps to handle any of that, if you even need to edit them. Tablets are great for readonly viewing of these things. I'd hate to spend too long creating too many big documents, but whatever I create on the PC should be available, and so far, it is. We'll see what Microsoft does to file formats in the future, I think with Win8 and having MSOffice come with ARM tablets, we'll see MS doing what MS do best, screwing everyone else and forcing upgrades.
None have Linux as a base? Uhm... there's a Linux kernal running away there on all the Android Tablets. Though I'd like to see the Android fork merge back one day, I don't fully understand the need for the locks to make Android fork instead of using/adapting how Linux already did that, but hope something can be done to bring it back home to the main tree.
Hirez screens, price, availability, demand. If there was an Android Tablet today offering 3kx3k, but cost 1200bucks? It'd be niche. Alas, in this world, it takes Apple to release and demo before people 'get it', and manufactures accept they need to ramp up production, for the demand. Androids been pushing up the rez, the OS supports it, the hardware can run it now, and prices aren't too off the chart, I see them coming down in price. Again, no-one knows for sure upcoming rez specs for the iPad3, the top end Android tablets (of which the latest Prime has top rez I think?) could be above/match what's coming from Cupertino.
I'm with you on the Note too. I got the Samsung Galaxy Tab that I wanted to use as a phone/tablet combo, it's taken until ICS to /really/ make it smooth to use, and the phone functionality being killed in the US was just stupid. It was a mistake that they're not making with the Note it appears, that really should have been released 6-9months ago in the US, even with a lower spec chip. The move to tabphones/phonelets? has been obvious. (and also makes me wonder if, despite Jobs saying no to it, if Apple WILL release a bigger phone/smaller tablet.). There's an obvious demand for that sort of size, it really does give you the best of both worlds.
Some challenging points you bring up, look forward to further thoughts sir!
andyharney said:
I can't agree more with what you posted. But posting this here, will do nothing to make things change. Also I know it isn't your intent, but your post does sound like "apple fan boy". I know that's not what your saying, its just the way it comes across.
What made HTC re-think their bootloader policy? Public/User/Developer pressure.
Create a Facebook group and get the word out. I'm all for better quality, more developer friendly devices.
I suggest Facebook as XDA has only 4 million registered users, Facebook has 845 active Million (Source)
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Need i say any more
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buckwheat.phd said:
Waaaah
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Waaaaaaah.