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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
Hrshycro said:
I'm going to go out on a limb here and say: Unless it has a mini-nuclear battery plant it in, it's going to last about 2 hours 39 minuets and 3.5 seconds.
There comes a point when you don't need anymore power in a phone, because as it is, we're nearing the point of them being able to run Windows 7 Starter!
Actually, lets just carry iPads around and talk on them.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
dsh897 said:
haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
jerryparid said:
Snapdragon is faster than a lot of outdated desktop CPU's.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
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haha thats funny hrshycro... can you link me to the windows 7 starter.. Also id be curious to see anything if theyve been able to get win xp on here yet.. ive heard about ubuntu already. Ill search also thx
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Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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Apple may have had its big day or two to take in the spotlight and make the competition look bad with its fancy new iPhone 4 and iOS 4.0, but Motorola isn’t going to sit there and just take it. Sanjay Jha & Friends are bringing everything they have to the smartphone party and calling all bets by publicly stating the company’s intent to launch an Android device with a 2 GHz processor by the end of this year.
That’s right, Motorola is planning a new device that is twice as fast as the iPhone 4 and faster than most capable netbooks (running 1.6 GHz or slower processors, that is). It’s clear to see what HelloMoto’s vision is for the upcoming years in the mobile industry, and the company intends to be on the front lines of this onslaught of superphones.This statement came out of Jha’s mouth yesterday at the Executives Club in Chicago and discussed his vision of the future having a focus on highly-capable smartphones that take the place of, and be mostly responsible for the demise of, mobile computing devices such as notebooks and netbooks (would this include the iPad though?). Which naturally led him into sharing this golden nugget of information.
But here’s another kicker. Another anonymous Motorola executive told Conceivably Tech that this new powerful device will essentially include everything that is “technologically possible” in any smartphone today. It will include a gyroscope and a powerful new Nvidia Tegra-based graphics processor complete with full Flash 10.1 hardware acceleration. Oh yeah, this exec also talked about 720p HD video output, HD screen resolution, and camera with more than 5 MP. This has me drooling already.
So what does this mean for you, consumer who is on the fence about iPhone 4? Could this be enough to sway you in either direction?
If Motorola truly comes out with this superphone, it quite possibly could show up as a new Droid (or similar branding) for the holidays. It would make sense, though it’s too early to predict whether or not it will be exclusively on Verizon. No matter what, news like this is what makes me so excited for the future. We have a lot of great things coming, and we’re just barely scratching the surface of what’s actually possible in the future.
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Jesus christ!!! I wonder what's going to be available when its time to upgrade ?
So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
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So when exactly did they launch a 2GHZ cell chip? Are we sure they didn't mean 1.2 as in qsd dualcore?
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Ummm....what? Did you read it? Future releases don't have to have anything out in the wild yet, planning stages are planning stages.
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
Stoichiometric said:
After reading the leaked FroYo response and hearing about all the C&D letters Moto legal dept has been spewing out. I'm not sure I would buy any Motorola device unless they lightened up a bit.
I guess I am too much of a newbie to post links so see this engadget article for more on my point...
engadget.com/2010/08/30/motorola-says-leaked-droid-x-android-2-2-build-wont-be-updated/
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I'm with you dude. if Motorola is going to keep building kill-chips into their handsets, i don't want it.
Considering we're 4 months away from the end of the year and 3 months from the start of the Christmas shopping season, I would think that anything like this would have to be about to start production. I've only heard rumors of dual core and 2 GHz processors, nothing to my knowledge has become available yet. I've heard a lot of news about random tablets and stuff using the Tegra but this is the first I've heard about a Motorola phone. I don't doubt they'll make one but my suspicion is that it won't be available till around Q2 of 2011. Anything like this should be well beyond the planning stage by now if it were going to be released by the end of this year.
aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
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aush30 ,
I do have to agree with you that i dont think we will see the phone this year but i am planning on a 2ghz phone being released early in '11
As far as motorola lighting up im not soo concerned with this fact, For the sole reason that if they launch this phone ATT, SPRINT, TMobile will all have to release 2GHZ phones or push theyre research departments. Its an ARMS race with phones..
dave
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The reason I say Q2 at the earliest is because of the electronics conventions at the beginning of the year. They'll probably show something off in January-February but it won't become available until at least a couple months later. I could be completely wrong but that seems to be the trend.
We will see when in 2011
yeah, unless there is a major breakthrough in batteries I just don't see this being a good thing
Me thinks it's a tab, not a phone.
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And what android app would take full advantage of 2ghz of processing power???
I'll bet it will make a dandy hand warmer also.
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Yeah, my EVO is faster than my first dell desktop was (it's still running perfectly for my Grandma), my EVO also has double the ram.
Here's the linky
It's just a chopped down Win 7 for netbooks, I wouldn't be to surprised if they couldn't get it running on a smart phone, however, the architecture of the CPU is wrong.
Didn't att have a 6 inch phone running Win XP last year?
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I saw pocketnow showing Windows 95 running on a nexus one.
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I'm for more power if the batteries can handle it and provide good battery life.. 1ghz is definitely enough for what we have, but never know what the future is going to bring on.
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...-have-minimum-specs-require-hd-dual-core.html
Not confirmed but.. still bad news..(at least for the long term as I suspect if the requirements are this high it will be a long time before developers develop specifically to that platform)
I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
Well, I say: let's cross the Honeycomb bridge after paying a visit to the Gingerbread man
I think Gingerbread will make this a much better alrounder than it already is. I have a feeling honeycomb will have the "Windows Vista" effect and then they'll start streamlining the programming again, without the fluff... Giving us the Android equivalent of Win7, but that's my opinion only
I have to admit that when I read this yesterday I was a bit disappointed. If this is in fact the case I will be highly upset due to the fact the honeycomb is supposedly the more "tablet specific" OS so lets hope that this is not the case
I 100% agree... It would be foolish for Google to introduce what would be a new platform and not build on what market penetration they have already with the phones (in other words they need to pull a play from Apple's playbook)
Why I dont believe this is true:
If the tablet comes in with minimums that are higher then the fastest supported phone platform OR the API changes enough that current apps break or future application development changes significantly it will be a very long adoption process. If the prices is the same or higher than the iPAD it will be a huge failure in the short term.
Dont get me wrong I love to see higher specs and newer more robust APIs as the experience will be much better for the consumer but reality is people buy these type of devices based on the number of apps that run on them. As you can see Apple kept to this strategy and has had record sales of their iPAD and will continue to... This approach with the lead unfortunately will be very difficult to overcomb - especially for the masses (us geeks are a different story but success of products depend on the masses not us geeks)
PLUS if they do change the API why havnt they released it to developers.. There is always a ramp up. Take Microsoft for example there is no larger community then the .Net developer community --- and only 5000 apps in all these weeks?
So again, why I dont believe its true:
Very Risky Option --- . Companies like to show huge profits and like less risk.. Apple has achieved a great balance with their phone/tablet products.
But this is Google (Young, Hip, Has a huge stash of cash, arrogant, etc.) ... So see below:
Events that leads me to believe that this IS true:
1. Google doesn't officially allow any tablets to access market place. "Current platform not optimized for tablet use" --- this BS as we can all see. The APIs fully support tablets with 2.2.
2. GalaxyTab released with Market ONLY for Cell model - WIFI only model delayed --- Why delayed?? NO reason technically. No work on WIFI model.. Hmmmm
2.5 Samsung announces v2 of the Galaxy will be Tegra based. (just added)
3. Who from the competitive companies (Toshiba, Vizio, Motorola, MSI, Acer, Asus, etc.) who have announced a new tablet coming in 2011, announce that their platform of choice IS NOT Tegra based?? Who who??? I haven't seen anyone. Why? - No one else has a dual core ready.
4. All Tegra based tablets have 512 meg ram --- Hmmm why? Its unnecessary for the platform (all you linux heads know what I mean). I see this as a nice to have. And for those you screaming that this is why the Archos is limited/poor performing -- use the iPAD.. It's interface/applications scream speed and the iPAD only has 256 Meg of ram (and guess what its using a Linux Kernel)
5. Tegra 2 is dual core ---- See 4..
6. Hush hush... Doesn't make sense why Google who "is an open source company" would keep the minimum specs/sdetails on this build so secretive... No leaks from vendors either... Nothing... I have more information on the iPAD 2 than Honeycomb.
7. New companies eLocity, etc. are coming out of the gate using an expensive chip as their first run??? Profit Profit Prof it is key to any new company.. If it would work on a lesser chip they would gone there first..
Simple fun to speculate either way though..
d31b0y said:
I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
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As long as we're able to eventually root the device and get a custom ROM installed I wouldn't worry about it. I had a G1 prior to my Nexus One phone. Installing Cyanogenmod on the G1 made the phone much more usable then the vanilla ROM that it came with. The custom ROM guys love to backport the newer stuff for older devices.
http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
No minimums?
That's GingerBread, not Honeycomb.
Asus just demoed their EEPad guess what? Honeycomb tablet NOT running Tegra 2... Dont fret though.... Its using the Qualcom dual core processor... (Note the dual core processor)... Its out in June at 499..
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
hough77 said:
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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stanglx said:
See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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Indeed, thanx for the positive outlook, it will be a fun toy, and its not hard on check book either! Like it will be the last tab I ever buy or something.
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Well... after seeing some of the demos and the units which have Honeycomb I can honestly say with some level of confidence that
1. HoneyComb will most certainly be a tablet only OS - I think this is a horrible approach. This will just splinter the development with Phones always having the priority as there are more of them. Apple did it right having the base OS the same and leaving the difference up to the developers on which form factor to target for their app (Microsoft is doing the same if you have ever developed on the new mobile,desktop or gaming platform you know what I mean)
2. It will most certainly require dual core. Everything is a dual core even the EEPAD (not tegra based) that has been talked about that will run Honeycomb...
Positive is Archos will drop in price in a few weeks once pre-orders start for these devices...
Now I want to see what move apple makes... (they will most certainly wait to hear HoneyComb release date and some prices)..
ASUS Eee Pad MeMO:
•BXL Qualcomm Snapdragon 8260 1.2Ghz
Motorola XOOM with no Button (back, home, menu, ect..)
All kind nearly with our cheap Archos... nothing to worry about Honeycomb... just how long they do ^_^
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
Kashban said:
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
#dejavu Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb. Trust me, if there were I'd know.
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See this -->http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=10375484&postcount=16
czesiu said:
as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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burn. just saying.
Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
The situation with android tablets isn't anything to worry about.
It's really no different than the PC world where there are at any given time multiple generations of PCs out there, which developers use the tools of a standard API (in the PC's case, DirectX or OpenGL) to scale the performance across the target platforms.
Since everything PC is x86, unless you're -really- trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of your game, or unless a company has paid you to target their specific GPU/CPU's extensions, you don't have to worry about specific architecture.
On Android tablets, everything is ARM in one flavor or another, and you're writing to OpenGL ES 2.0. You'll be able to use specific extensions in OpenGL ES to target newer rendering features so you can scale up your graphics for newer GPUs, but since it's a standard API, you should be able to have one apk for all target platforms.
The premiere game engine for Android, Unity, makes this especially easy.
tl:dr don't worry, newer games will still work on your Xoom after the next generation tegra/OMAP/whatever come out. You just might not have all the rendering features in the game.
You are becoming familiar with whats known as Moores Law (linky). We are in a time where it is accelerating very rapidly. And what seems to us like great strides are actually very small in the grand scheme of transistors. Primarily because we have been so used to getting a new processor every 1-2 years on a desktop scale for the past 15 years, with small .1 ghz improvements farther in the past, too recent additions of whole processor cores.
Pretty much, unless you have tons of $ to drop on devices, you will no longer be able to stay cutting edge for long, (+/-6 months of growth for new platforms to hit the market). Especially in the hot world of mobile devices.
You can almost count on the day the release the QuadCore NVidia or OMAP chips, that 6 months down the road is a new chip that A) Has More Power B)Uses less Power C)Cost less - Pick two - that will be the new "in thing" for mobile.
Kcarpenter is dead on.
Tablets are even more hot right now because companies have seen how well Apple is doing with the iPad.
They want a piece of the market-share, so are throwing lots and lots of R&D dollars at newer, better, faster tablet tech.
Honestly, there is only a small handful of good looking games/apps made for 3.1. Devs should take advantage of the current gen single core phones/tegra 2 before moving on to quad core. It's probably going to be like the pc, it takes awhile for devs to actually take ADVANTAGE of the hardware. I still boot up some games and they only max out a few threads out of my core i7.
tl;dr: You have at least a 8 months - 1 year on the xoom.
I think it's more market forces than Moore's Law. The tablet platform is wide open, and no company wants to get left behind. Unlike the desktop where Intel had a lock on the x86, many competitors are gunning for SoC slot. Nothing revs up a product cycle faster than the threat of competition.
It's the same for device vendors and OS vendors. Take Microsoft. It took them 6 years to go from XP to Vista, and 3 years to Win7, for really fairly minor evolutionary changes. Why? Because they had no competition. We'll see how fast Ballmer can make his EGRs dance, now with his Windows cash cow on a hook. I'd be shocked if Win8 doesn't show up by next year.
Some MS dude is supposed to give a "state of Windows" address soonish at Computex. We'll see what tidbits he can serve up. From the rumor mill, it sounds like MS want to go the Apple route, buying Nokia's phone biz for 19 bils, and dictating what hardware vendors can build.
Likewise, I'd be shocked if Moto & co won't have a refresh to their line-ups this year. The Xoom never sold well, and sales won't get any better. (The eBay thing is probably to clear out inventories.) Back-to-school and Xmas are the two largest buying seasons of the year. There'll be many shiny new toys for kiddies to ask Santa for.
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Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
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Nvidia is a hardware manufacturer and they are betting the farm on Tegra. If you look at their roadmap they are aiming to make each new version of Tegra obsolete within less than a year of it being released. They want to maintain a high demand for the latest and greatest chips and they can't do that with just incremental improvements (see the current state of PC gaming).
Tech demos are always going to push the limits but most games are going to aim lower. Most will target Tegra 2 and add features if Tegra 3 is available.
@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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abowlby said:
@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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I'm guessing that Ice Cream Sandwich is a step in that direction.
One OS for tablets and phones and GoogleTV sounds like an attempt to bring write-once, run anywhere to developers, which is what will allow the ecosystem to grow unrestrained.
As much interest as there is in Android, there really aren't that many developers taking it seriously. I expect that'll change if ICS is what I think it will be.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/microsoft-reveals-arm-powered-windows-8-prototypes/
already prototypes of the newer tegra procs oh no
Also, keep in mind that Tegra 2 is last year technology. It's not just "a few months old".
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/nvidia-kal-el-development-platform-hands-on-video/
Tech buyer is a catch 22, and it is people like us who power it.
We buy hot new tech Product 1 with a hot new Mach 2 processor. We have now identified ourselves as the sort of person who will buy hot new gadgets. However we already bought this one, so they can't make more money from us...or can they?
They use the money we paid them to create hotter, newer Product 2 with a hotter, newer Mach 4 processor...and some new screen voodoo...and less weight. They ramp up the hype knowing the same things that made us buy Product 1 will make us buy Product 2 and feed into that same hype, making Product 2 a must have product, even for people who resisted Product 1. "LOOK...Even people who bought Product 1 are eager to buy Product 2!! They must know something..we must ALL need one!!!!" Our embracing of something ensures that it will be replaced by a better version in a year.
Who has made this process into an art form?
Well...replace the work Product with iPad....
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http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/07/29/asus-preparing-second-transformer-tablet/
At first, I was a little mad at this, my Transformer just arrived in the mail today and the first website I went to on my new TF was engadget.com and I saw this headline.
Then, I realized that I probably won't even need a quad core tablet for another couple of years considering that there are only a handful of apps that take advantage of Tegra 2.
Yeah I went into the tablet game knowing full well it would be outdated very quickly. I judged my opinion on my purchase solely based on the streamline performance I saw from the models already available at the time, the xoom, and decided it was going to be enough power for me for a while. But deep down inside it does get to you when you see something newer come out a quarter later!
I also heard today that the price of the Asus Transformer is going to drop on the middle of this month, but they didn't give a price. A reaction to Acer Iconia dropping to $398.
I think that the new screens on the next generation of tablets will be really expensive since they will be 2048x1500 or there abouts.
Don
I guess I'll wait untill after the quad-core gen, I guess that's gonna be next year...
I wonder what will be next after the quads?
SparkyRih said:
I guess I'll wait untill after the quad-core gen, I guess that's gonna be next year...
I wonder what will be next after the quads?
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There is this assumption that there really isnt any point of quad cores as Apps arent optimised for them yet.
However, honeycomb itself was designed with multicore processors in mind. Single threaded apps can take advantage of multicore processors by running the app on one core, and other OS services on the other cores.
Even the most basic of tasks can benefit like browsing and gaming.The OS itself can benefit from quad core.
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http://blogs.forbes.com/elizabethwoyke/2011/07/29/asus-preparing-second-transformer-tablet/
At first, I was a little mad at this, my Transformer just arrived in the mail today and the first website I went to on my new TF was engadget.com and I saw this headline.
Then, I realized that I probably won't even need a quad core tablet for another couple of years considering that there are only a handful of apps that take advantage of Tegra 2.
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They are just playing the same game as Apple, updating their product on a yearly refresh cycle.
I won't be updating from Transformer to Transformer 2. I'm very happy with my purchase, and nothing will change that. A few years down the road I may repurchase.
I only hope that Asus don't withhold Android ICS from Transformer to give the Transformer 2 a market advantage (it already has one in it's hardware spec).
I have spent the last 2 weeks trying to decide what android tablet to purchase. I have narrowed my decision between the TF and the GT10.1. I was gonna make my purchase in a week or so, but now, I dont know?! Maybe I should buy one at BB and get the buy back program for it. Damn....
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I have spent the last 2 weeks trying to decide what android tablet to purchase. I have narrowed my decision between the TF and the GT10.1. I was gonna make my purchase in a week or so, but now, I dont know?! Maybe I should buy one at BB and get the buy back program for it. Damn....
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I'd rather have a 3.2 update with no bugs, TBH.
I don't buy this october release date. it makes no sense to put out a new device so early when TF1 sales are rising not falling away. surely asus would want to max out sales of their existing product before launching a successor.
alan77ss said:
I don't buy this october release date. it makes no sense to put out a new device so early when TF1 sales are rising not falling away. surely asus would want to max out sales of their existing product before launching a successor.
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After October is December and Christmas;P, so this is a very good time for a new flagship product.
oh and one more thing, If Asus doesn't do this, then another company will. Kal-el is ready, so it is, a matter of time.
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Kal-el is ready, so it is, a matter of time.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I just read a story yesterday (I'll see if I can find the link) saying that the chip will not ship in quantity until 2012.
Underwater Mike said:
I'll believe it when I see it. I just read a story yesterday (I'll see if I can find the link) saying that the chip will not ship in quantity until 2012.
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Please do find it, I'm sat here wanting to order a GTab but am put off by the "Quad Core is almost here" rumours.
UKseagull said:
Please do find it, I'm sat here wanting to order a GTab but am put off by the "Quad Core is almost here" rumours.
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I can tell You that Kal-el is ready but creating a tablet with this processor is another and long story.
Oh and i cant tell Y why i know about Kal-el
Greets
I could easily see them selling both the TF and the TF 2 at the same time, just at a lower pricepoint for the TF and a higher price point for the TF 2. It might be that by the time the TF 2 comes out, component costs will have dropped on the TF and they could price it at, say, $349/$449 retail, and then the TF 2 at $449/$549.
That's just idle speculation, of course, but it makes sense to me, particularly if the specs on the TF 2 are crazy good, which I expect them to be.
IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
Digiguest said:
IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
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not true ..... if You look into the future, this is the best chocie but it's true that will always be something new and better ... This is the IT world
Digiguest said:
IMHO Quad core on a tablet is completely and utterly USELESS. More is not always better.
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Why? Wouldn't you prefer it if your browser typing had less lag, and the app your were running was not effected by other tasks such as feed updates, etc. More cores impacts both the base OS and apps.
Your Android device WILL BE outdated in 3 months, maximum 6 months no matter what you buy.
I am happy as long as I get the Ice Cream Sandwich running smoothly later this year.
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Why? Wouldn't you prefer it if your browser typing had less lag, and the app your were running was not effected by other tasks such as feed updates, etc. More cores impacts both the base OS and apps.
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This is the same thing ppl said when the tegra2 was announced. The fact is that honeycomb itself is not mature yet.
I agree with the post above saying quad core is useless. It is useless for the time being cause, while the hw techs is advancing at great speed, the software is still lagging behind. why have a quad core when clearly we do not have many tablet applications? i am not talking about the recent api changes in 3.2 so that apps can be stretched... i am talking about special apps made for tablet only. why improve the hw when there is still way to improve in the sw?
browser typing is clearly a bug in the codes. we do not need to get 4 cores to get rid of it. browser typing lag is something we shouldnt be experiencing even in a single core. quad cores coming out in october is quite outrageous especially for us ( living in europe) . i for one, paid approx 450 euros 2 weeks ago for the TF only (without the dock).
REALLY??!!! SERIOUSLY????!!! How many tablets does Sammy think they need to through out at the public to get that they aren't going to sell until they lower prices, not specs! End rant.
Lower prices? The 10.1 is $50 cheaper than the iPad and the 8.9 is $100 cheaper...
I think they are currently priced just about right...
Wish they lowered the prices on the older tabs significantly.
Means we can root em and flash our own builds for a reasonable price
they are just making fools of the peoples who took tabs recently ....i got my first tab SGT p1000 first then few months later this 10.1 came up i took that traded for my p1000 now this 7.7 got infrared and can do calls too..god they gonna make me trade my 10.1 too
i agree, i think this is the only problem with android, we are being flooded with devices at them moment, hopefully it will slow down and we can see some more quality devices come out... pricing for samsungs tabs though are great i think, leave the lower market to other companies, I want a powerful device in my hands.
Yeah but they just need to take a break for a moment
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they are just making fools of the peoples who took tabs recently ....i got my first tab SGT p1000 first then few months later this 10.1 came up i took that traded for my p1000 now this 7.7 got infrared and can do calls too..god they gonna make me trade my 10.1 too
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Hold up though... The Galaxy Tab 2 is 7.7", dual core, 1ghz ram etc etc... right?
I bought mine a few weeks ago and did so because I read the new Galaxy Tab would be 7.7". I definitely wanted the 10" form factor. I love my Tab but don't want to be a fool (not that kind anyway)! Now I'm second guessing purchase
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they are just making fools of the peoples who took tabs recently ....i got my first tab SGT p1000 first then few months later this 10.1 came up i took that traded for my p1000 now this 7.7 got infrared and can do calls too..god they gonna make me trade my 10.1 too
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This is exactly what I mean! Sammy has now released like 5 new tablets with same basic hardware of their old tablets.. Tegra 3 is ready and being used by Asus already! I like Samsung's hardware the best, but I'm just sick of seeing *New tablets with underwhelming, old hardware in them.. I know that price is def a factor, but manufacturing 20 different tablets is expensive.. if they had 3 form factors/models it would save money for them, and then us!
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Tegra 3 is ready and being used by Asus already!
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Nvidia's on record saying they've lost Samsung as a customer and now consider them a competitor. So, don't hold your breath for Teg3. Teg3 is actually two old-gen A9 chips glommed together. Samsung's Exynos 5250 is in sampling making it the first A15 chip on the market when it’s supposed to release in Q2. Raw HP isn't the real issue with mobile devices. It's GPU bandwidth. A15 chips will be more powerful than Teg3 and have 5x the graphics b/w. I think a lot of manufacturers are intentionally skipping Teg3 and moving directly to A15 chips (from Samsung, TI, and Qualcomm) which are easier to fabricate and potentially less expensive. The Prime’s having a ton of issues where different devices behave differently when updates are rolled out. It’s too early to say its Teg3 but it’s a potential candidate for the problems.
Meh, I like choice. I don't see the point of complaining about it; unless you're an early adopter, you'll always be a step behind. Here' my suggestion for you: stop worrying about having the newest snazziest gear and enjoy what you do have. It's not a race.
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Meh, I like choice. I don't see the point of complaining about it; unless you're an early adopter, you'll always be a step behind. Here' my suggestion for you: stop worrying about having the newest snazziest gear and enjoy what you do have. It's not a race.
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It's not abt race its just we buy a thing today and tomorrow they come up with the improvised one unfair u know
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It's not abt race its just we buy a thing today and tomorrow they come up with the improvised one unfair u know
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"Unfair" would suggest they owe you some duty of not producing new models. Have you really thought this through? "We buy a thing today, and tomorrow they come up with the improv[ed] one." If this is unfair, how long do they have to wait? Do you realize that they released this tablet in May of 2011, 9 months ago, right? You also realize that the successor does not yet exist, right? This is the same complaint I've heard about technology for the last 20 years. I still don't get it.
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Nvidia's on record saying they've lost Samsung as a customer and now consider them a competitor. So, don't hold your breath for Teg3. Teg3 is actually two old-gen A9 chips glommed together. Samsung's Exynos 5250 is in sampling making it the first A15 chip on the market when it’s supposed to release in Q2. Raw HP isn't the real issue with mobile devices. It's GPU bandwidth. A15 chips will be more powerful than Teg3 and have 5x the graphics b/w. I think a lot of manufacturers are intentionally skipping Teg3 and moving directly to A15 chips (from Samsung, TI, and Qualcomm) which are easier to fabricate and potentially less expensive. The Prime’s having a ton of issues where different devices behave differently when updates are rolled out. It’s too early to say its Teg3 but it’s a potential candidate for the problems.
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BUT there is ALWAYS something better around the corner. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Nuff said. I agree Samsungs SOC will be better, but will it be too late? Look at Windows Phone 7, its great, but 3-4 years too late..
My main point..
Is Samsung going to seriously produce 20 different models of tablets? I understand it being nice to have 'choices', but Samsung has enough work keeping past models firmware relevant, let alone producing 20 new version/sizes every few months, there is no way they can properly support that many.. I wouldn't think twice is they made actually changes to new models like vastly improved batteries, or more memory etc.
I've been saying for many years that if you buy an electronic device, it will be obsolete BEFORE you make it out of the front door of the store. You might make it back home if you buy the most expensive model of whatever. It's just the way of high tech devices these days. We consumers have only helped them by replacing perfectly functional devices just for the lasted and greatest one. Even if the new one has twice the speed or memory, do you need it?
Probably not. Yet we continue to demand, and purchase, which is just encouragement for them to continue. I honestly think its only gonna get worse. It's really our fault as consumers always wanting more and better; NOW.
When I was growing up electronics were durable goods. You bought a TV and you kept it until it quit working. Now we buy a new one because of widget xyz is better on the new model. I'm guilty of this myself also, just not as much as I used to be. Even though I have more money to spend these days.
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"Unfair" would suggest they owe you some duty of not producing new models. Have you really thought this through? "We buy a thing today, and tomorrow they come up with the improv[ed] one." If this is unfair, how long do they have to wait? Do you realize that they released this tablet in May of 2011, 9 months ago, right? You also realize that the successor does not yet exist, right? This is the same complaint I've heard about technology for the last 20 years. I still don't get it.
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It seems u got loads of money in ur bank! If it's overloading send me i will bug new tab every day
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It seems u got loads of money in ur bank! If it's overloading send me i will bug new tab every day
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So you can encourage the manufacturers to do more of what you're b!tching about more? :what:
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It seems u got loads of money in ur bank! If it's overloading send me i will bug new tab every day
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That's ridiculous. If you knew me you'd know what a silly thing to say that is. But beyond that, my statement is exactly the opposite: I'm saying "be happy with what you have, not unhappy about what you don't have." See if you can figure out the difference between gadget lust and gadget envy.
Didn't mean any offense if it was taken that way. Just good natured hard time I was intending.
Sometimes hard to relay sarcasm in a post.
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OP puts Galaxy Tab 2 in the title, then complains about how many tablets are coming out from Samsung? I mean, if you put Galaxy Note 10.1 in the title, that would make some sense, but the Galaxy Tab 2 is apparently the direct successor of the original Galaxy Tab that came out in 2010 and it's not even out yet. Who knows when it comes out.