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[Q] Rooting and HBOOT question

Rooting and HBOOT question
Hi,
I have a STock Legend with Vodafone Froyo. Is it possible to downgrade my HBOOT and flash the AlphaRev HBOOT to get r/w on /System?
If yes, could it be possible to root it after that? Or is the only possible root for the Legend a modified ROM?

HBOOT cannot be downgraded. Check out /system overlay

I have seen this guide: h**p://android.modaco.com/content/htc-legend-legend-modaco-com/323201/downgrading-from-froyo-ota/ it shows how to downgrade. Is it possible to flash the alpharev hboot after that downgrade, without (permanent )root? I can't use system overlay, because i have a non rooted stock rom, i have just soft root

ThauExodus said:
I have seen this guide: h**p://android.modaco.com/content/htc-legend-legend-modaco-com/323201/downgrading-from-froyo-ota/ it shows how to downgrade. Is it possible to flash the alpharev hboot after that downgrade, without (permanent )root? I can't use system overlay, because i have a non rooted stock rom, i have just soft root
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That guide won't downgrade the HBOOT
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Thanks for your help. Now i have to wait until there is a new downgrade method.

New radio after visionary rooting

Basically, I want to know if i can flash a new radio when i rooted using visionary method. I dont know if a radio s-off is required or whatever, or whether or not i have it.

I think permroot and S-OFF is enough, but if you wanna have radio S-OFF, then you need to use gfree. It's not yet clear that the other radios are any better than the one you have already, but if you're up for experimenting, do as you please.

any chance you could explain what radio S-OFF means?

According to this page:
. . . The security level is a flag stored on the radio; when the flag is S-OFF, the bootloader (HBOOT) will no longer check the signatures of firmware images before flashing them. This allows custom firmware images to be uploaded, including unsigned boot, recovery, splash1, and hboot images (as well as official images that have been modified). When the system is S-OFF, the NAND flash memory protection is also reduced; this allows all partitions (including /system) to be written to while the operating system is booted. . . .
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I think radio S-OFF also is what allows you to unlock the SIM and Carrier ID, which is what gfree does.

[Q] Unrooted still S-OFF

I have unrooted my phone but it still reads S-OFF. How can I change this to be S-ON?

How did you root? What hboot version do you have? Why are you unrooting? If you give more information, you're more likely to get answers.
If you rooted with unrevoked, you need to flash the s-on tool. You'll need to reflash your recovery. You may need to downgrade your radio for the s-on zip to take. You may need Amon Ra to do this. Once you've downgraded/s-on, flash the RUU again to get rid of your recovery.
If you rooted with revolutionary, there are several threads about unrooting it. Check those.
If you're taking its in for repair, you may not need to be s-on. I'd leave mine s-off, but that choice is yours.
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HELP S-OFF but no ROOT!

i have S-off but i have no root or recovery! please someone help! i need to get this phone back to stock!

Run PD15IMG.zip. It will flash the stock recovery and set everything back to stock. You should be good to send your phone back after that.

When I had that problem flashing the pd15.img did not turn S-on.
If your still on 2.2.1 you need to temp root with visionary and run gfree to turn S back on.
If your on gingerbread (2.3) you'll have to downgrade back to 2.2.1 before you can run gfree.
After turning S-on reflash a stock pd15.img and you'll be back to stock.
For more info read the rooting guide in the sticky section. I think its the one by grankin01. Its the one that says check this out even if your rooted.
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SenorBlanco said:
When I had that problem flashing the pd15.img did not turn S-on.
If your still on 2.2.1 you need to temp root with visionary and run gfree to turn S back on.
If your on gingerbread (2.3) you'll have to downgrade back to 2.2.1 before you can run gfree.
After turning S-on reflash a stock pd15.img and you'll be back to stock.
For more info read the rooting guide in the sticky section. I think its the one by grankin01. Its the one that says check this out even if your rooted.
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He needs to use grankin01's guide to get S-ON once he get back to froyo and then reflash froyo PD15IMG to restore everything back to stock.
Because he used gfree to acquire S-OFF, just flashing the PD15IMG.zip won't turn the security flag on. It does for root.sh, but not gfree.
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I thought I remembered that the guide said how you could use gfree to turn S-on as well.
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the guide says it works for pre OTA update. does that mean i dont have to go back to 2.2.1?

gcashiel said:
the guide says it works for pre OTA update. does that mean i dont have to go back to 2.2.1?
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Yes.

invasion2 said:
Yes.
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okay so how do i put back the stock hboot and turn s-on and unroot my phone? the whole guide is very confusing to me

gcashiel said:
okay so how do i put back the stock hboot and turn s-on and unroot my phone? the whole guide is very confusing to me
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Let's get things straight. You are on 2.3.4, Engineering hboot, S-OFF, no root, and no recovery?

yes i am on 2.3.4 and i now have root and cwm recovery. and i have s-off

gcashiel said:
yes i am on 2.3.4 and i now have root and cwm recovery. and i have s-off
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LOLWUT. 2.3.4 stock? With S-OFF and root and CWM?

invasion2 said:
LOLWUT. 2.3.4 stock? With S-OFF and root and CWM?
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yes. or what do you mean?

gcashiel said:
yes. or what do you mean?
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I'm confused...gcashiel, you are rooted, CWM recovery, S-Off right? But all of this is on 2.3.4 STOCK T-mobile OTA ROM, correcT?

invasion2 said:
I'm confused...gcashiel, you are rooted, CWM recovery, S-Off right? But all of this is on 2.3.4 STOCK T-mobile OTA ROM, correcT?
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yes correct. i have the stock rom with root privileges.
i am trying to get EVERYTHING back to stock, hboot ( i have the hboot 0.85.2007), Security back to on, and the original 2.3.4 rom

I'll "translate":
There is no T-Mobile "stock" 2.3.4 with root. It's a pre-rooted 2.3.4, that you flashed from CWM recovery. The stock is not rootable, and should have been downgraded at some point to achieve S-OFF.
In any case, if S-OFF was achieved through gfree, you need to rerun gfree to return to S-ON. Judging by this thread, it's going to be way over your head.
So, my suggestion:
1) Go to the downgrading thread (search, don't ask), run "misc_partition" command on your current ROM.
2) Copy PD15IMG.ZIP of 2.3.4 to SD card and proceed with returning to stock. You'll most likely stay S-OFF, but otherwise have a completely stock ROM.
If it sounds too complicated - wait for someone to explain it better, or start reading to understand, what to do. Everything you need is in the guides, you just need to understand what things do and how to use it for your case.

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I'll "translate":
There is no T-Mobile "stock" 2.3.4 with root. It's a pre-rooted 2.3.4, that you flashed from CWM recovery. The stock is not rootable, and should have been downgraded at some point to achieve S-OFF.
In any case, if S-OFF was achieved through gfree, you need to rerun gfree to return to S-ON. Judging by this thread, it's going to be way over your head.
So, my suggestion:
1) Go to the downgrading thread (search, don't ask), run "misc_partition" command on your current ROM.
2) Copy PD15IMG.ZIP of 2.3.4 to SD card and proceed with returning to stock. You'll most likely stay S-OFF, but otherwise have a completely stock ROM.
If it sounds too complicated - wait for someone to explain it better, or start reading to understand, what to do. Everything you need is in the guides, you just need to understand what things do.
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okay i think i understand but what if i do the PD15IMG with the stock rom to get it unrooted will that be enough to send it back?

People on the forum reported that it was enough. I have no first-hand experience.

okay then but will it work with the PD15IMG that has the GB update on it?

can you help with this step please?
5. Now run the "dd if=/where/your/part7backup-numbers.bin of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p7" and it should show the output:
xxxx bytes in
xxxxbytes out
xxxxxxxxxx copied in blah blah blah

gcashiel said:
can you help with this step please?
5. Now run the "dd if=/where/your/part7backup-numbers.bin of=/dev/block/mmcblk0p7" and it should show the output:
xxxx bytes in
xxxxbytes out
xxxxxxxxxx copied in blah blah blah
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?????
What do you not get? Locate the part7backup files on your sd card and add the path to the command sample. If you don't have them, follow this guide.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=16189365

[Q] Help?

Ok so i recently just updated froyo to gingerbread beacause i was tired of it and i was perm rooted and now im not im version 2.3.4 and i have still have s-off anyone please help me get rooted without downgrading?!

how did you "upgrade"?

What's so damn urgent? The world will end (again...) if you won't be rooted?
And if it's so damn urgent - how about spending 5 min on Google-searching to discover the answer without even opening a thread? Hint - there's "root for s-off" thread, more than one.

To root you have to downgrade.... Did you use pd15.
This is NOT urgent. Damn people
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rockstarar said:
To root you have to downgrade..
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No he doesn't - if he used gfree when rooted originally (and stayed S-OFF as a result), he can root at any given moment without any complications.

Jack_R1 said:
No he doesn't - if he used gfree when rooted originally (and stayed S-OFF as a result), he can root at any given moment without any complications.
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Yep. He all he has to do is use fastboot to flash a recovery and flash a rooted ROM.

fastboot to flash a recovery and flash a rooted ROM.
Can someone help me fastboot recovery (what does that mean) and can someone give me a working android 2.3.4 mytouch 4g rooted rom many thanks!
-xXCyberSpiderXX

xXCyberSpiderXx said:
Can someone help me fastboot recovery (what does that mean) and can someone give me a working android 2.3.4 mytouch 4g rooted rom many thanks!
-xXCyberSpiderXX
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You need to learn to use Google. You got yourself into a situation you don't know how to get yourself out of because you decided not to do your research. Now you are refusing to research again. I will give you a link to a 5 minute adb/fastboot install, but you get to use Google to figure out how to use it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=928370

Just one additional clarification:
fastboot won't help him, since he's on stock HBOOT that will refuse fastboot.
What he can do, is to look for "root for s-off" thread, that has the required PD15IMG and instructions to get ONLY the engineering HBOOT and custom recovery in place.
If he won't find it - means he doesn't need to be rooted in first place.
From the custom recovery he'll need to find and install Superuser/SuperSU ZIP. And it's described in the thread.

Jack_R1 said:
Just one additional clarification:
fastboot won't help him, since he's on stock HBOOT that will refuse fastboot.
What he can do, is to look for "root for s-off" thread, that has the required PD15IMG and instructions to get ONLY the engineering HBOOT and custom recovery in place.
If he won't find it - means he doesn't need to be rooted in first place.
From the custom recovery he'll need to find and install Superuser/SuperSU ZIP. And it's described in the thread.
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I hadn't been on the stock HBOOT in so long I had forgotten. Thanks, Jack. You're as helpful as ever.

Thank you estallings15 for all your hard work i was looking it up and then i decided to fastboot back to 2.2.1 and i did perma root on it and then when i downgraded i didnt lose s-off which is weird so im going to install this custom 2.3.4 rooted rom many thanks!
link to rooted rom if anybody wants http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1264704
-xXCyberSpiderXx

Plus i forgot im going to flash the rom through clockworkmod recovery

You must have gotten S-Off with gfree. A PD15IMG.zip flash won't turn the security flag on when you use gfree.
Also, Jack_R1 was very helpful as well. He simply wants people to do their research and know how to solve a problem before they run into it, as do I.
Hopefully, now you know what happened, why, and how to fix it in the future if you or another person get into the same situation or a similar one. Good luck, and enjoy your phone!

i did use gfree but i just updated through hboot im going to see if i have root now,

xXCyberSpiderXx said:
i did use gfree but i just updated through hboot im going to see if i have root now,
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Through HBOOT or recovery?

I was gonna get in earlier because i had this same issue but since jack and estallings were helping you, i didn't. Here is what you do.
-Go to the downgrade guide, download fr3vo
-Use the guide to achieve temp root, no need to downgrade android version or anything, just get temproot
-The above step should give you permaroot
-Get Rom Manager and flash clockwork
-There ya go

ok so i was going to flash the rooted rom through recovery but it didnt work so i had no choice but to do hboot im so lost and it didnt even root me please help. ive been researching for 12 hours straight

THEindian said:
I was gonna get in earlier because i had this same issue but since jack and estallings were helping you, i didn't. Here is what you do.
-Go to the downgrade guide, download fr3vo
-Use the guide to achieve temp root, no need to downgrade android version or anything, just get temproot
-The above step should give you permaroot
-Get Rom Manager and flash clockwork
-There ya go
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ok thanks and all but after i flash clockwork recovery then what.... and if ur saying then flash the rooted rom i cant because it says you NEED perma root but all i have is s-off (through gfree method) ok ok so once i temproot it should give me perm root?
but if i have perm root what would i need to flash clockwork (what im saying is why would i need to flash a rooted 2.3.4 rom)

xXCyberSpiderXx said:
ok thanks and all but after i flash clockwork recovery then what.... and if ur saying then flash the rooted rom i cant because it says you NEED perma root but all i have is s-off (through gfree method) ok ok so once i temproot it should give me perm root?
but if i have perm root what would i need to flash clockwork (what im saying is why would i need to flash a rooted 2.3.4 rom)
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What i told you should give you permaroot.

OK so I just temp rooted on the downgrading page I followed all the steps to temp root I got temp root but no perm root help??
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