Hello,
$aur0n wants to add a new standart browser to Urukdroid 1.1 (first in RC1)
(You can read about this at UrukdroidDecelopement Thread )
This thread should helps him, to decide
Please do this poll and, if you have enough time, post your expanation to our opinion here
If you want another Broser to choice, post it here
Greetz & Thankz,
Lenn
miren browser, we don't need Dolphin HD (although it is one of the most powerful browsers for android) if we aren't going to use all the features/addons.
actually i never heard about miren before this, i think i might switch to it
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were you joking when you put firefox as an option?
Were you joking when you put firefox as an option?
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Euhm.. nope Firefox 4 is an Android App Even the final version
try it for 15 minutes and compare it to one of the others
firefox for android is a joke
I know
But i want to give every browser a chance
How about an app or utility so the user can choose what browser he wants to install? similiar to the windows browser choose dialog.
I would advise to not replace the std browser.
You dont know what the exchange will do to other programms.
It s ok to put an additional one in there, but please dont replace th std.
Can you please add a link to this in the development thread? (I can't, not enough posts)
My personal experience is that Dolphin Mini is the best combination of speed and features. I found the full Dolphin a little slow, and Miren and Opera did not render some pages that Dolphin had no problem with.
Archos default browser
Install a new one if you want, but I need my stock browser. It's alot easier to install a new one from the Market than it is to reload the original browser if you take it out.
personally I use dophin mainly because of the lastpass plugin. I couldnt live without it now! so i dont give a monkeys what browser is bundled in with the rom since I wouldnt use it (unless it supported lastpass at some point in the future)
I want the Android browser to be the default one ^^
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I want the Android browser to be the default one ^^
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Just leave the stock one. If you want a different browser just install it yourself from the market.
Please leave the stock browser.. but for a second browser I use Dolphin Browser Mini. I tried the HD version and went back to Mini because has better UI and faster IMO. I tried Firefox and uninstalled after a few minutes.. way too slow!
Either Opera mobile or Dolphin HD 5
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Just leave the stock one. If you want a different browser just install it yourself from the market.
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i'm pretty happy with NetFront Life as second one :
https://market.android.com/details?...roid.nflifebrowser.lite&feature=search_result
None of the above, default. It is always an option for ANY of us to install an alternate browser and even have it be the default, but removing the stock one can get you into trouble.
I already have most of them installed on my device.
I have had some serious problems with Opera and Dolphin, but Dolphin was the absolute worst. It kept freezing every time I tried to use it.
I have been using the stock Android browser since the latest FW, and I was very pleased with it. Overall, I found it to be just as capable as the browsers you find in the market, with less of the drawbacks.
So if the dev wants to give users an option, then great. But please don't remove the standard browser, just give other options.
As always, I appreciate the time you devs take to help us all out.
yk11 said:
Can you please add a link to this in the development thread? (I can't, not enough posts)
My personal experience is that Dolphin Mini is the best combination of speed and features. I found the full Dolphin a little slow, and Miren and Opera did not render some pages that Dolphin had no problem with.
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Okey, all thanks for your answers
I'll report this to $aur0n soon
Related
Does a modern html5 site like this http://sammystodos.brandonaaron.net
works on Nexus One or Desire?
It seems that the browser doesn't support standards as much as safari on iPhone..
Chrome is by far the best browser on the market, followed by Opera.
Eventually they will merge everything that desktop's Chrome can do into Android..
But so far - yes, that website works fine, except for editing the fields that you added. I assume that can easily be fixed by tweaking the site itself.
I can confirm that its working on the nexus one with to stock browser.
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Works for me with the stock browser.
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DarkDvr said:
Chrome is by far the best browser on the market, followed by Opera.
Eventually they will merge everything that desktop's Chrome can do into Android..
But so far - yes, that website works fine, except for editing the fields that you added. I assume that can easily be fixed by tweaking the site itself.
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Which "Chrome" browser are you speaking of? I see a couple that say they only replace the logo, but none claiming to be anything different than the stock browser.
Sorry can u post a screenshot because I tried it in an emulator and I just see the background
No problem
Thanks a lot!
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No problem
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Can you actually type?
I tried it on the Desire browser and it looks exactly like yours, but I cannot type. Holding the Menu button to bring up the keyboard doesn't work either.
Checking the checkboxes and using the trash can icon to delete items do work.
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Which "Chrome" browser are you speaking of? I see a couple that say they only replace the logo, but none claiming to be anything different than the stock browser.
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Google Chrome browser. I understand that Android is running a simplified version of Chrome on the PDAs.
http://www.favbrowser.com/chrome-vs-opera-vs-firefox-vs-internet-explorer-vs-safari/
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Can you actually type?
I tried it on the Desire browser and it looks exactly like yours, but I cannot type. Holding the Menu button to bring up the keyboard doesn't work either.
Checking the checkboxes and using the trash can icon to delete items do work.
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Ah, no... same on the stock browser
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Google Chrome browser. I understand that Android is running a simplified version of Chrome on the PDAs.
http://www.favbrowser.com/chrome-vs-opera-vs-firefox-vs-internet-explorer-vs-safari/
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So the stock Android browser?
The Android browser isn't Chrome. They're both WebKit based though.
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The Android browser isn't Chrome. They're both WebKit based though.
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Yeah I know.. but I betcha they use a lot of the same code.
Why rewrite the whole thing of they're both based on WebKit and Chrome obviously has awesome code.
I think the N900 might have the best mobile browser, my brother has one and it's pretty slick.
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I think the N900 might have the best mobile browser, my brother has one and it's pretty slick.
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How is it better?
It's Fennec, which can do everything Firefox can do, including making use of the desktop addons, and it supports Flash 9.4
This will be an ongoing problem with HTML5.
"how does it look on this browser ??"
This is what people dont get about Flash. You have complete control over how everything looks. You dont have that control in HTML , everything is still browser dependent.
Not saying this cant be ironed out..but the impression that a <video> tag is going to solve HTMLs shortcomings is silly. As it stands the browsers are already divided over codec support.
Hi guys, i wanna take advantage of this thread to now more real-life web browsing issues.
How well works this sites on the N1 or HTC Desire browser? (without adding any ad-hoc apps)
- www.facebook.com (does the chat work?)
- www.google.com/reader
- www.google.com/analytics
- www.youtube.com/html5 (how well run the html5 video)
Can u compare them to a normal web browser or iphone?
Hi just like title says.
Debug mode doesnt work
I installed Dolphin HD. You can find a "desktop"-mode in it's settings.
Dont want to mess my device, dont want a workaround ;-) so I'll stay at stock browser ... this one must do it somehow
what exactly is this desktop mode? Do you mean fullscreen? If so, webkit wont hide the taskbar, youll need a third party browser like dolphin or firefox.
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what exactly is this desktop mode? Do you mean fullscreen? If so, webkit wont hide the taskbar, youll need a third party browser like dolphin or firefox.
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the mode I nean is that the browser is not recognised as a mobile device but as a desktop pc, some sites redirekt you to mobile version and features are not available e.g. google calander
On my HTC, just click the menu button in the browser, then "More", then "Settings" and there you should see "Mobile view", just untick it.
Webkit will not allow you to choose user agent. Get dolphin he from the market, it does.
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Webkit will not allow you to choose user agent. Get dolphin he from the market, it does.
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Mmm I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Dolphin is using Webkit, it's just the appearance that has been changed.
And you can do it with the stock browser just the way I explained it a few post above.
Oh please.
Why don't you try doing exactly as you've recommended above little buddy, starting with more, then settings, then whatever.
what he is saying is true, i have that option on my htc but not my galaxy.
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Oh please.
Why don't you try doing exactly as you've recommended above little buddy, starting with more, then settings, then whatever.
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Ok I may be wrong about the settings, but still, Dolphin is based on Webkit.
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Ok I may be wrong about the settings, but still, Dolphin is based on Webkit.
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The Samsung stock browser does not offer the ability to change user agent. Samsung have stripped that setting from the browser (along with quite a number of other ones littered throughout the OS). Samsung's iteration and Dolphin are both based on webkit.
Use Firefox (behaves a bit randomly though, some pages display mobile view while others don't) or Dolphin HD with Desktop Toggles AddOn as a work around until we get some custom ROMs for this thing.
Like said above no setting like this in menu, not even with debug mode. Personaly I think the whole device is on every edge a bit buggy, translation faults and some senceless functions, or some wich are not thought to the next level. Like allshare, nice but not really functional no option to set more files at once in playlist, or mydocs, no option zo rename.
I also miss that function . On my N1 I can go into the menu and change so the browser does not present itself as a mobile device. On the big screen tab I would mostly like to view webpages as a real browser and not a mobile browser.
When You log on to a newspaper they all end up as mobile pages and You only get the stupid headlines and not the stuff You actually browsed to get.
Tried to download COD yesterday but could not do it as the browser went into mobile mode and presented itself as P1000 which stopped me from even trying to install it.
I search a little bit around without success, about:debug enable some features but seems there is not a chance to enable it.
Seems it happen also with Galaxy S with froyo installed, differently than HTC Desire that has the default the user agent selectable by default (I think is an HTC chose).
Anyway not just Dolphin HD allows to change it also Skyfire, but I agree that would be nice to have it on the default browser...(that seems to be faster then the Dolphin)
For me xScope 6 is the fastest (and featurewise imo the best as well) on the Tab.
With yesterdays release of Dolphin HD 4.0 we now have the finest mobile browser on the tab. All the bugs that used to tick me off are gone and fullscreen is silky smooth.
I have been struggling with the slow default browser for a while now... generally laggy, but particulary dismal on these forums and on Slash dot. I'm sure you all know how it goes. Had to resort to Firefox for many things, but that has its own problems, like not very tablety UI.
Well, today I found Opera (note: Mobile, NOT Mini - both are in Market). Where the hell were those guys before? It's blazing fast - yes, even on XDA forums - yet still full featured, and with UI that looks and feels very nice on Xoom - address bar always on, and tabs are one tap away. Bonus points for default black theme which meshes nicely with Honeycomb. The only downsid so far is no Flash - it mentions support in settings, and shows the "tap to play" icon, but doesn't load plugin on tap. I guess not updated for 10.2 yet...
If you hate default browser, definitely give this a try. Oh, and don't forget to check opera:config - lots of interesting settings there, like font/color overrides.
Dolphin HD?
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Dolphin uses same engine as stock browser, and seems to be slow on the same websites. Firefox and Opera are not because they have their own engines.
I do like Opera mobile browser myself. I use it on my OG Droid all the time. It's a good solid speedy browser. But then again I also like xScope and their web browser. It works very well on the Xoom, and you can also change the user agent. It has a file browser built into it which might be good for some who don't already have a basic file browser. Should give it a go sometime. It is probably the fastest of them all, I've had it since launch. I have xScope Pro and prefer it over any of the Opera browsers any day. But they both are excellent choices. It's all preference based. Right now I am mainly using Dolphin HD on my Xoom until xScope gets flash 10.2 working correctly. Dolphin is a pretty awesome browser.
I'm stuck between xScope and Dolphin for my default browser. I can't choose. xD
xScope: http://www.androlib.com/android.application.sui-xEtw.aspx
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I have been struggling with the slow default browser for a while now... generally laggy, but particulary dismal on these forums and on Slash dot. I'm sure you all know how it goes. Had to resort to Firefox for many things, but that has its own problems, like not very tablety UI.
Well, today I found Opera (note: Mobile, NOT Mini - both are in Market). Where the hell were those guys before? It's blazing fast - yes, even on XDA forums - yet still full featured, and with UI that looks and feels very nice on Xoom - address bar always on, and tabs are one tap away. Bonus points for default black theme which meshes nicely with Honeycomb. The only downsid so far is no Flash - it mentions support in settings, and shows the "tap to play" icon, but doesn't load plugin on tap. I guess not updated for 10.2 yet...
If you hate default browser, definitely give this a try. Oh, and don't forget to check opera:config - lots of interesting settings there, like font/color overrides.
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I read on the Yahoo! News tech page that Opera jist released am update today. Did you get an update and did it fix Flash? I might give that and xScope a whirl. I want to like the stock browser but just can't. I like Dolphin's set up but it seems to crash too often for me.
Still ****ty with user-agent.
No desktop mode (spoof user-agent).
But yeah, it is fast.
Dolphin for me just because it can change the user-agent to desktop.
gogol said:
Still ****ty with user-agent.
No desktop mode (spoof user-agent).
But yeah, it is fast.
Dolphin for me just because it can change the user-agent to desktop.
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Curious, why can't you change the user-agent? I went into user prefs, custom user agent, and set it without issue. Flash doesn't work all that great but its better than the stock browser.
What did you put there?
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Curious, why can't you change the user-agent? I went into user prefs, custom user agent, and set it without issue. Flash doesn't work all that great but its better than the stock browser.
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omegard said:
Curious, why can't you change the user-agent? I went into user prefs, custom user agent, and set it without issue. Flash doesn't work all that great but its better than the stock browser.
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I don't see where I can change the user agent to a custom one with Opera Mobile.
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I don't see where I can change the user agent to a custom one with Opera Mobile.
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Well if u go to opera:config ---- user prefs ---- Custom user-agent you should see a blank window, insert your the user-agent string in that field. I've tested this with the ipad and chrome strings now i'm using the firefox string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/4.0 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
Yeah I tried out Firefox and couldn't believe how much faster it opened some sites compared to the Honey browser. I did get a lot of crashes though. I will have to try Opera now. Thanks!
I actually tried Opera Mobile again and their new update for tablets. Not bad, it's getting better. It certainly might have the potential to maybe be the top web browser if they keep updating it for the newest devices and adding new features. I'm keeping an eye on it and look forward to updates.
On a side note.. on the desktop I always preferred Firefox over Opera because of all the add-ons and customizations, like adblock plus. And Firefox was always a speed demon. They are trying to bring that full desktop experience to us Android users, add-ons and all! I'd watch out for Firefox as well even though the browser is still in the early beta stage. Once perfected it will dominate for sure, but it has a long way to go in terms of development. Gotta love the fox!
This string works great.
Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.0; U; de) Presto/2.2.15 Version/10.00
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!!!!!!
The smoothness of opera's scrolling has always been the selling point for me. Tried all the rest and havent been satisfied. Now that I dont get the annoying mobile versions of sites im all settled..
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I read on the Yahoo! News tech page that Opera jist released am update today. Did you get an update and did it fix Flash? I might give that and xScope a whirl. I want to like the stock browser but just can't. I like Dolphin's set up but it seems to crash too often for me.
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It looks like I was actually using the updated version. Unfortunately, I found its release notes, and they say that Flash does not work on Xoom specifically.
Speaking of speed, one thing I found interesting about this Opera release is that they somehow made it silky smooth panning and zooming without either the Safari-style "checkerboard" nor bitmap scaling - honest vector rendering only. What's interesting is that desktop Opera isn't half as good at that (partly why I switched to Chrome on desktop some time ago). Mobile getting all the love?
After using it for a while, one thing it's not is very stable (well, not any more so than Firefox beta). But between them two and the stock browser, you can always find one that doesn't FC on any particular website
I love Opera Mini but am I the only one that can't get flash to work with it? I also don't know why it isn't picking up my bookmarks that I used with my stock browser.
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Once they did Flash this will be my daily browser. just smooth as butter.
i just installed Opera on the Xoom.. works great, fast, but 2 things
it says there is Flash, but it does not work, on demand or just auto, nothing, just blank screen
2. no option to set "desktop" always goes mobile.
i could be missing something, please help
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Well if u go to opera:config ---- user prefs ---- Custom user-agent you should see a blank window, insert your the user-agent string in that field. I've tested this with the ipad and chrome strings now i'm using the firefox string
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; ru; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/4.0 (.NET CLR 3.5.30729)
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It doesn't seem to want to save my settings. If I put in a new User Agent info, like you provided, and either back out or force close so it restarts...it seems to clear the user agent field. Am I missing something?
update:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=940252
Xoom does not get working flash..
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update:
http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=940252
Xoom does not get working flash..
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I think it's something that will be supported since both the stock browser and Dolphin work with it on XOOM. Saw your post though. Please post here if you get a response
The main app any tablet user uses is the Browser I'd assume and unfortunately its the weak spot on Honeycomb.
Viewing most desktop sites is very unbearable (try facebook, XDA, Google Plus) as the page lags, and text input is very difficult as well (huge lag)
Do any devs have any idea how to improve the speed on this stock browser in custom roms or so, I remember a kernel on the Xoom fixed things
This link has more info:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
If we could get a fix for this I could finally love my tab.
There is a lot less lag on the bonsai rom, but it's not completely gone. Ultimately google will have to be the to fix it.
theyve never mentioned it /acknowledged it
thats the worrying part
Ya know what actually, as,much as i dont like the look of the browser, opera mobile is the best functioning browser ive ever used. There is no browser lag, it render eveything exactly the way my desktop does. Im very suprised that google cannot mirror whatever opera mobile has done.
Ill give you an example of where opera finally got it right...
Try and do a search on xdas site and see what happens. It opens the text box for a second and then it drops the keyboard. Its never works and it is so annoying.
Now try it on opera mobile. Oh my god, it works!
It doesnt work on dolphin, firefox or any other browser ive tried. Opera mobile it works. Can a super sharp coder figure out a way to take whatever opera has in it and put it in the stock HC browser??
it`strange becouse in some forums is all ok, in other the text is very very slow :-(
EyeAndroid said:
Ya know what actually, as,much as i dont like the look of the browser, opera mobile is the best functioning browser ive ever used. There is no browser lag, it render eveything exactly the way my desktop does. Im very suprised that google cannot mirror whatever opera mobile has done.
Ill give you an example of where opera finally got it right...
Try and do a search on xdas site and see what happens. It opens the text box for a second and then it drops the keyboard. Its never works and it is so annoying.
Now try it on opera mobile. Oh my god, it works!
It doesnt work on dolphin, firefox or any other browser ive tried. Opera mobile it works. Can a super sharp coder figure out a way to take whatever opera has in it and put it in the stock HC browser??
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I tried Opera and everything works great except two things. the first is that often times you will enter text in a text box, and then when you minimize the keyboard to click the submit button, it removes everything you just typed! I had this happen to me about 5 times and then I gave up and uninstalled it. The other issue is mainly a preference, but the tabs suck! Give me real tabs like the stock browser. opera and Firefox have a horrible tab implementation on Android.
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often times you will enter text in a text box, and then when you minimize the keyboard to click the submit button, it removes everything you just typed!
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i hate this thing more of the input lag , when it succeed often i close my browser and don't write more becouse i'm frustrated
Plus I am very tired of getting to the "mobile" version of the websites.
Its a 10 inch Tablet..
Google needs to give this thing a Desktop identity and load the desktop version of the websites. One thing Apple is doing right with the iPad.
Even better get rid of this Chrome Based Android Mobile Browser and put there the real Chrome.
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Plus I am very tired of getting to the "mobile" version of the websites.
Its a 10 inch Tablet..
Google needs to give this thing a Desktop identity and load the desktop version of the websites. One thing Apple is doing right with the iPad.
Even better get rid of this Chrome Based Android Mobile Browser and put there the real Chrome.
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even when I've manually set the useragent to a desktop browser, I still get kicked to the mobile versions of some sites. And sites like...google search, which should know better!
I've tested a bunch of browsers at this point and none of them are perfect. I think dolphin comes closest, but it definitely has little things that are annoying (such as it being way to easy to close the wrong tab)
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Plus I am very tired of getting to the "mobile" version of the websites.
Its a 10 inch Tablet..
Google needs to give this thing a Desktop identity and load the desktop version of the websites. One thing Apple is doing right with the iPad.
Even better get rid of this Chrome Based Android Mobile Browser and put there the real Chrome.
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If you type in about:debug in the browser you can go into the settings and change the uastring setting
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If you type in about:debug in the browser you can go into the settings and change the uastring setting
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I know. But after a while is going back to default.
I cant changing and play with the settings every other day.
Plus regular people cannot deal with such advance settings. I personally know 3 people they went with the iPad because of this.
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The main app any tablet user uses is the Browser I'd assume and unfortunately its the weak spot on Honeycomb.
Viewing most desktop sites is very unbearable (try facebook, XDA, Google Plus) as the page lags, and text input is very difficult as well (huge lag)
Do any devs have any idea how to improve the speed on this stock browser in custom roms or so, I remember a kernel on the Xoom fixed things
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http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=17353
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I am a little confused. I don't have an issue with the browser or the typing...The pages load and scroll perfect and there is little to no lag at all on my typing. There can be a slight lag at times when i use the Keyboard/Dock but that is it.
Does anyone else have no issue?
I have been using dolphin browser on my tablet since I got it. I am constantly having problems on various websites, especially when responding to threads or private messaging people. Can anyone recommend a better browser?
I use the stock browser, the best one for me so far (and, yes, I've tried Dolphin HD...).
opera mobile was the best for me so far
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Opera mobile is the fastest for me, but I find that Maxthon browser for tabs works with a few sites that opera has trouble with, its a little slower though.
Look here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1202542
i find dolphin for tablet to work very well
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i find dolphin for tablet to work very well
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I'm use it too!
browser wars on android
I use Firefox Beta on android... but it doesn't do flash so for flash I use stock. I also have Opera installed and use it occasionally. It doesn't seem to have issues with flash. I use firefox primarily because it allows me to synch bookmarks, passwords, and preferences across all my platforms: windows, linux, and android.
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I use the stock browser, the best one for me so far
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Bye
Nico
my vote to Opera. have been using it for a while on phone and iconia. Love it. Dolphin and stock are good to though.
dolphin hd on phone. most every thing else is crap. but when it comes ro my iconia, opera is almost flawless and doesnr end up hanging like dolphin and stock. and it seems to handle flash a lot better. with other browsers id have to set flash to on demand. with opera I can keep it always on and keeps running smooth. the tabs/windows are also a lot better to look at
Opera with flash and stock.
I think that opera mobile is great for thios tablet but it's lucking the option to change agent ;(
macia10 said:
I think that opera mobile is great for thios tablet but it's lucking the option to change agent ;(
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its in settings under the advanced menu.
... another vote for opera mobile here
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i find dolphin for tablet to work very well
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I agree, best I've tried so far, with Maxthon for tablets being a close second.
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I agree, best I've tried so far, with Maxthon for tablets being a close second.
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Both of these are so much slower than opera though. I do like their UI better than opera though.