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Good bye HD2, it's been hell and back.

For the last 6 weeks I've had nothing but headaches between two T-Mobile HD2's. I bought on release date, 3 days later I was better off tossing it in the freezer because all it would do is freeze. It also lagged, was buggy and a glitch fest. Apps didnt work, screen didn't work, Sense UI wouldn't load ugh, I can go on. I got another HD2, within the first 7 hours it froze on me too lol. It also had the same issues as the first.
I just want to thank everybody here in the forums for helping solve my phone issue, as I've research and tried everything but they did not help. Also thanks to HTC and T-mobile.com for putting up with my madness lol, although T-Mobile allowed me to get my OG plan back (and keep my HD2), I can now leave T-Mobile (im under no contract) to get something else (leaning towards the Evo 4G over the Nexus One).
P.S. I hope T-Mobile gets there act together and releases a patch ASAP, it sucks that such a incredible piece of hardware is having a lot of problematic issues.

that's weird,I assume you were on stock rom which is why u got the issues...custom roms eliminate those issues u have on stock rom.

i dont think it's so much the stock ROM, mine's been wonderful with the stock ROM. it's more that he was unlucky enough to be one of the first bozos who got the phone with version 2.10. for me, rom version 2.11 has been nothing but bliss, so much that after trying several custom roms i went back to my stock 2.11 because, compared to it, all custom roms suck (winmo devs aren't as good as android devs).
there's a thread with stock roms and 2.11 is usable even without hspl (i kept hspl out of personal preference and I'll try to make my own build). good luck to you anyway. i suggest you get a nexus one and flash desire rom (or heck, get a desire)

If it is freezing, the first setting I would check is
Start > Settings > Menu > All Settings > Today > Items
The setting "Today timeout", at the bottom left hand corner,
should not be selected/enabled.

why shouldnt the today timeout be selected,just out of curiosity?

jkiller122 said:
why shouldnt the today timeout be selected,just out of curiosity?
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i just unchecked it so i'll wait and see if anything improves (i have minor freezing/lag with calls and sms sometimes)...but im also curious what this fixes

I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.

My phone has frozen at least once every day it seems like. But I think i solved the battery issue. I bought a second battery!! Haha, I am so S M R T! At any rate, I love this phone for the big screen and fast internet. I just wish I had a way to get mp4's to watch. Or that more books on barnes and noble were free.

DaveNavy said:
I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.
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LOL, Less talking, more listening kid.
It's obvious you have no idea what your talking about and lacking the intelligence to do so. I have plenty of videos posted here showing how horrible my two devices are (do a search). It's HTC Sense UI that is the problem, not WM6.5. I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way. So keep talking ****, that's why your teeth are brown.
Dude is soo anal because I gave up on my HD2, lol. If you like yours that fine but don't cry me a river because I didn't like mine lmao!

Raadius said:
I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way.
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Why does "...and Windows 7 was my idea!" come to mind?

Raadius said:
I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way.
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Are you serious! You think it's because of you that an update is on it's way?! If you do, you are a severe narcissist. The fact that you think that really makes anything else you claim questionable.

Woot, 8 posts to 1,000.
7!

zarathustrax said:
Are you serious! You think it's because of you that an update is on it's way?! If you do, you are a severe narcissist. The fact that you think that really makes anything else you claim questionable.
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Agreed.Also i thought you were an Android fan boy, didn't you have a G1?

DaveNavy said:
I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.
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you sir are an idiot.... did you look at his sdcard, you were there while he was using the phone to say it that kind of ****? you ve had good luck with you r device and I congratulate you but not everybody phone has been flawless. so basicly.........STFU.

if you go for android you will know the value of your hd2

Raadius said:
LOL, Less talking, more listening kid.
It's obvious you have no idea what your talking about and lacking the intelligence to do so. I have plenty of videos posted here showing how horrible my two devices are (do a search). It's HTC Sense UI that is the problem, not WM6.5. I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way. So keep talking ****, that's why your teeth are brown.
Dude is soo anal because I gave up on my HD2, lol. If you like yours that fine but don't cry me a river because I didn't like mine lmao!
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I was with you till you said the bolded
how solipsistic can you be to assume that based on your pathetic user experience that tmobile and htc would generate an entire updated rom to suit just your needs??? Give me a break dude...
this is xdas not fan pandering to overly zealous delusional users that are so far up steve jobs craw they can see his prostate...I mean seriously what the frick???
And I admit for 80% of errors it is brought on by the user and not the device itself. The hd2 has its flaws. All phones do...but for most users they are iphone/android converts expecting the same experience without doing any research on htc and windows mobile. And to those users, yes I say they do deserve any error they get. Why? You didn't take time to learn about your device. This isn't something as simple as a flashlight where you press the on button and something magically happens. Its a pocket pc and that means a lot...

Closing this thread as it is turning into a bashing session. Lets keep it civil.

Finally got rid of my HD2! yay!

The Worst phone I have ever owned save yourself the trouble of buying one.
The pros - Camera, video, and video playback
The cons = Everything else
its hard to even justify it as a smart phone, maybe if I was not on a forced data plan I would think differently, if sold as a dumbphone. Just not enough apps to do anything with , and it takes about 60 tweaks to make it decent
I think the only thing saving it is the bing turn by turn released today, otherwise dont waste your time on this! Get a used android device, or the new sprint evo instead
Winmo 6.5 is dead, the market proves it.
And yes you can scour the net for apps but you wont find many that are any good, over all the phone sucks

Good for you. Good luck.

Thank you for your input on this matter.
Now, who are you?

digitallysick said:
The Worst phone I have ever owned save yourself the trouble of buying one.
The pros - Camera, video, and video playback
The cons = Everything else
its hard to even justify it as a smart phone, maybe if I was not on a forced data plan I would think differently, if sold as a dumbphone. Just not enough apps to do anything with , and it takes about 60 tweaks to make it decent
I think the only thing saving it is the bing turn by turn released today, otherwise dont waste your time on this! Get a used android device, or the new sprint evo instead
Winmo 6.5 is dead, the market proves it.
And yes you can scour the net for apps but you wont find many that are any good, over all the phone sucks
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So you had to make a post to feel self important. News flash no one cares. Go enjoy whatever phone you got. I on the other hand love the HD2 and think its an amazing phone.

I'm a long time user that has had several rooted android phones, an Iphone, Nokia phones, and much more. I feel my review might help some people in deciding

digitallysick said:
I'm a long time user that has had several rooted android phones, an Iphone, Nokia phones, and much more. I feel my review might help some people in deciding
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Well i have to agree i love the phone myself,It all depends on what your using the phone for if you wanted more than carry around one of those mini laptops.Most people that i can tell that dont know how to use something correctly normally dont like the product.compared to a droid n iphone i too have each of them and they dont hold water but thats anothe thread.good luck dude

I don't get it.
I've gone through 2 HD2s, do you guys NOT have freezing issues? or you just don't think there is anything wrong w/ having to reset the phone, deleting messages, not keeping large amounts of music files, having a slow SDHC card come with a high performance device, or anything of that sort?

we all know the problems of hd2 ,so we don't need you to remind us if you don't want to apply more tweaks go and flash custom roms ,otherwise go and buy another shi**Y android phones which has the settings menue of a phone 6 years old and leave us in peace ,
pointless thread please close it

digitallysick said:
The Worst phone I have ever owned save yourself the trouble of buying one.
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And yes you can scour the net for apps but you wont find many that are any good, over all the phone sucks
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Wow, for a senior member I guess you haven't heard of the "INTERNET"...
hoss_n2 said:
we all know the problems of hd2 ,so we don't need you to remind us if you don't want to apply more tweaks go and flash custom roms ,otherwise go and buy another shi**Y android phones which has the settings menue of a phone 6 years old and leave us in peace ,
pointless thread please close it
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+1. This thread should be closed. There are constructive criticisms but this just falls over the edge.
No point opening a thread like this oh and don't let the door hit you on your way out.

N1M1TZ said:
+1. This thread should be closed. There are constructive criticisms but this just falls over the edge.
No point opening a thread like this oh and don't let the door hit you on your way out.
I feel your review will be more one sided and be nothing more than a bashing.
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Well i hated the droid and the iphone is a greedy sorry ass company,and hd2 is an awesome phone and the only problems i have with it is because of my own doing which is my guess their problem to start,if you dont know dont touch it,

Good. Go away.
Threads like this ("No more HD2!") as well as HD2 appreciation threads should be against the rules. They're useless and a waste of space. If people want an actual review, they'll read an actual review. Sorry, but your brief spasm of trollbait material isn't a review.

darkphantom said:
I don't get it.
I've gone through 2 HD2s, do you guys NOT have freezing issues? or you just don't think there is anything wrong w/ having to reset the phone, deleting messages, not keeping large amounts of music files, having a slow SDHC card come with a high performance device, or anything of that sort?
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I don't have any freezing issues. My only issue is T-Mobiles ****ty 3G coverage inside buildings.

speoples20 said:
So you had to make a post to feel self important. News flash no one cares. Go enjoy whatever phone you got. I on the other hand love the HD2 and think its an amazing phone.
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X2 on that...Tj

I am so happy for you! Wow, it couldn't have happened to a better person! You go boy! Yeah, go far, far away!!! [By the way - saying you're a long time user then mentioning iCrap and Android really doesn't help your case. Any 2 year old can use those!]
But the way - Here's the official T-Mobile USA HD2 Update - Direct from T-Mobile!
http://dl.htc.com/ruudownload/t-mobileUS/DeviceDownloads.aspx?pid=leo

Thread Closed. Enjoy your new device

It's been a fun ride...

It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile (which I have already tried), I'd be willing to keep the phone!

alexs0fly said:
It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile, I'd be willing to keep the phone!
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have you updated to the latest rom? texting has greatly improved IMHO. that was also my major concern with this phone prior to the update.

I agree with you to a certain extent, Alex. But I am more of a tinkerer to find solutions to the problems. If there weren't ANY problems with the phone, I would get rid of it!!!!
As far as texting... have you tried Swype? I came from a hardware-keyboard phone myself, and hated trying to text with the onscreen keyboard. But after getting used to Swype, I can say that I am MUCH happier.
With all that said... I'll give you $100 for your phone!!!!

I'll go to 105.

Alex,
If you bought a car, and a few months later the manufacturer announces they have a modification they can do to the car that will address certain issues, including one that you're experiencing (let's assume something other than critical safety issues)....do you return the car, or let them apply the modification?
It's the same idea with the new tmo ROM...it's an official update that you should try, especially with your SMS issues. No product is perfect out of the gate, and an official update like this is the only real way for them to try to fix issues from the factory. If you like the phone other than those reasons you listed, it seems silly to walk away from it already without even giving that a try.

Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys

Camusa said:
I'll go to 105.
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I've got 110.00

Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?

Software Vs. Hardware
I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.

alexs0fly said:
Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys
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Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.

adamhlj said:
Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?
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I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
np231 said:
I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.
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Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
sirphunkee said:
Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.
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I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though

your hd2
alexs0fly said:
I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though
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let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.

np231 said:
Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps.
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Apps that are compatible with this phone's resolution? Apps that compare to the UI of other platforms? Games that are similar to one on the other platforms?
Until you can show me this, I will still consider WM phones to be a NON-app instensive platform. Yes, they have all the apps you could need to do anything with, but they don't have all the apps you WANT.

jaliscojorge said:
let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.
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What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.

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What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.
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pm me with a price and i will let you know if i can afford it.

i want to get rid of my phone too, evo 4g is out and it puts this phone to shame.. the laggy texting ect..swype wont even help u.. and u can get swype for a lot of phones anyway.

I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents

rysky007, I agree with you for the most part

Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
rysky007 said:
I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents
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PoisonWolf said:
Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
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A better analogy is you are buying a stock BMW and expecting it to drive like a F1 race car. Fact is, you have to add certain available add-ons to make it into a M5-ish car with the type of race tires you want and the suspension your driving habits need.

Goodbye Galaxy S

I have finally sold my galaxy s i9000 today....
After about 3 weeks of using the device and having all the problems with the phone i decided to sell it.... although the decision was an easy one because it was easy to sell the phone at a profit since actually there are high demand for the phone and limited supply.... i guess most people still dont know about all the problems that this phone has.....
at my age, 36, i dont wish to spend too much time trying to fix the phone like applying rom, fixes, firmware etc.... i just want a smartphone that works well out of the box....
so after so many problems i experience using the phone i decided to sell it....
problems i faced:
- GPS very inaccurate and sometimes cannot lock signals and shows me in different country.... not to mention it cannot track continuously....
- Phone hangs when i am in a conversation and another caller comes in....
- quite frequent lags that sometimes can only be fixed by restarting the phone
- email apps takes long time to load the contents
- GSM signal quite erratic, phone must be held certain way to avoid drop in signals.... just like iphone 4 but maybe not as severe.... i am not sure....but it bothers me because i can see the signal dropping 2-3 bars when i hold it certain way
-keyboard which i just cannot get accustomed to, i dont know if its a problem of the touch screen sensor which is not precised or because of the size of the device that is a bit too wide....but the bottom line is that i find myself making lots of typing mistakes when using it one handedly
- overall samsung touchwiz quirks and the widgets are not to my liking....
- firmware fix update for my asia pacific region doesnt seem to come along fast enough... i only see one update which is the one thats giving me all the problems mentioned above..... but i see the european firmware gets update very frequently.....this makes me mad.... but the bad thing is that even the european updates seems to be still having most of the problems, especially the gps problem....
so after thinking thinking thinking... i sold it.... and i sold it after only 30 minutes of posting my advertisement in internet....
i just thought i'd share my experience......

youre the first people who dissapoint about this phone AFAIK
so how much did u sell this phone?just wanna know

I don't have any of those problems, neither do a lot of other people. Still on the stock ROM, no tweeking, nothing.
You should have asked for a replacement phone first before getting rid of it. By the looks of it there's a dodgy batch of them.

strange thing is we all want the best but its never good enough, I mean if any phone comes out and all is great people still want more and ways to better it, its human nature I guess and yes its a pain now and then but the strange thing is there is also a joy/kick out of things like roms, to get these small/big changes and play around with them, its true we can all say that it should come out and be 100% of what people paid for but......well never going to happen, and where would the fun be if it did lol
GPS I see people on about this, where I live it (north uk)tracks me from 20 meters to 2 meters (down to speed)

Tachikoma_kun said:
I don't have any of those problems, neither do a lot of other people. Still on the stock ROM, no tweeking, nothing.
You should have asked for a replacement phone first before getting rid of it. By the looks of it there's a dodgy batch of them.
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Are you saying you never experience *ANY* lag on your phone? This sounds very strange to me, as the lag problems seem to be an inherent problem of the phone's hardware/software architecture. I can hardly believe what you are saying, or maybe you have just not used your phone intensively enough. Otherwise me and a LOT of other GS users can get ready to return their phones for a replacement.
I can understand your frustration, widjaja. The lags are very annoying, and I myself have encountered times where I got an incoming call which I simply could not answer because the phone was too busy loading the friggin' call interface. It is however clear that Samsung themselves will come with an official fix for this, and in the meantime we have the homebrew fixes. For me, this is enough reason to stick with this phone until it is fully ridded of its problems. After all, apart from the buggy annoyances, it is the most powerful Android phone out there.

widjaja74_us said:
I have finally sold my galaxy s i9000 today....
After about 3 weeks of using the device and having all the problems with the phone i decided to sell it.... although the decision was an easy one because it was easy to sell the phone at a profit since actually there are high demand for the phone and limited supply.... i guess most people still dont know about all the problems that this phone has.....
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hey there, sorry to hear that!
this isn't meant as a response but more as a general comment on the issues you faced to compare the asian/european version (i've got the european version).
DISCLAIMER: i'm talking about my device. chime in if your experience differs from mine!
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at my age, 36, i dont wish to spend too much time trying to fix the phone like applying rom, fixes, firmware etc.... i just want a smartphone that works well out of the box....
so after so many problems i experience using the phone i decided to sell it....
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i hear you. although i don't get what your age has got to do with your phone but still you're right. time spent fixing things which should work out of the box is lost time. period.
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problems i faced:
- GPS very inaccurate and sometimes cannot lock signals and shows me in different country.... not to mention it cannot track continuously....
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my fix is immediately and as accurate as it can get with a civilian phone.
talked about the asian region gps issue with a friend yesterday and we suspected it might be something about gps being dimmed near north korea for military reasons but i guess that was just us crazy talking.
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- Phone hangs when i am in a conversation and another caller comes in....
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no hangs with concurrent calls whatsoever
widjaja74_us said:
- quite frequent lags that sometimes can only be fixed by restarting the phone
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besides the lag already being discussed in another thread, i don't experience frequent lags. and even this so called lag is just a minor annoyance when compared to the performance of other android-devices or the iphone-series (at least the couple devices i got ahold of in the last years).
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- email apps takes long time to load the contents
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email app loading in a split second over hier (stock & gmail)
widjaja74_us said:
- GSM signal quite erratic, phone must be held certain way to avoid drop in signals.... just like iphone 4 but maybe not as severe.... i am not sure....but it bothers me because i can see the signal dropping 2-3 bars when i hold it certain way
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i can hold my phone any way i want and have the same reception as other phones in the same area (elevator = little to no reception, top of building = great reception, subway = flaky/depends if underground/overground, etc) and with all other phones i had before.
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-keyboard which i just cannot get accustomed to, i dont know if its a problem of the touch screen sensor which is not precised or because of the size of the device that is a bit too wide....but the bottom line is that i find myself making lots of typing mistakes when using it one handedly
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the touchscreen sensor is perfectly calibrated and the swype-keyboard (is this the one your talking about?) is the best thing invented since touchscreens were invented. the tutorial takes 4 minutes to go through and i never want to go back now. this isn't just a productivity enhancement this is the path from "oh **** i have to answer this mail with my crappy phone keyboard" and "yeah let's write the last couple of mails on the subway then i'm home earlier".
or something like that..
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- overall samsung touchwiz quirks and the widgets are not to my liking....
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well there's literally hundreds of widgets to choose from and although i know you want it to work out of the box that's something you need to do for yourself as samsung can't do it right for everybody.
i'm not a huge touchwiz fan myself but it does the job (protip: LauncherPro, search for it in the market if you haven't already heard about it).
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- firmware fix update for my asia pacific region doesnt seem to come along fast enough... i only see one update which is the one thats giving me all the problems mentioned above..... but i see the european firmware gets update very frequently.....this makes me mad.... but the bad thing is that even the european updates seems to be still having most of the problems, especially the gps problem....
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well i'm feeling you especially with the new firmware seemingly creating more problems than it solves. but when comparing the release date of the phone with the release date of the new firmware my assessment is that samsung is on the fast side with this one. but i'm not very experienced with the company so maybe i'm just a lucky samsung-beginner
there is no official european update yet, hopefully in the coming days/weeks.
and as mentioned before i don't have the slightest issue with gps.
widjaja74_us said:
so after thinking thinking thinking... i sold it.... and i sold it after only 30 minutes of posting my advertisement in internet....
i just thought i'd share my experience......
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again, sorry to hear that and i hope your next phone is going to satisfy your requirements!
cheers
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Samsung Galaxy S, European version, Android 2.1-update1 vanilla, non-rooted, LauncherPro

lemme guess... your gonna buy an iPhone 4? LOL
like most ppl on these sorts of threads say, most of us have had NO problems, mayb a few stalls 5-10 secs on apps.
your 36 and expect a device with this spec to be perfect.
if you want something that performs out of the box perfectly, get a nokia that only makes calls mate.
to be honest if you dont even know you can change touchwiz just by downloading an app you shouldnt have a smartphone anyway

I smell troll

Sorry to hear that. Although at times, I've felt like sending mine back when the GPS wigs out, but the rest of the phone is better than anything else out there, so I'm sitting tight and hoping/waiting for a fix.

just curious - are you in a rural area or in the city?
and with earlier phone(s) did you have strong 3G signal?

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No disrespect to OP but... yea

No phone is perfect thats a fact. I have minor issues with my Galaxy S but there are ways around them, i know you said you didnt want to mess around with it but why did you buy an open source device with huge custom ability. I love the fact theres alternative for everything, i have custom keyboards, custom home screens, gmail email app of which i have 0 problems with the gmail account, everything loads in an instant.
I dont use GPS so i can't comment but i would have recommended a factory reset if you had these problems from day 1. it fixed a lot of peoples minor quirks.
I do get a little lag here and there but its bareable until an update comes out and from what ive been reading about the unofficial firmwares they are speeding up considerably.

wow if the SGS i9000 is bad for the OP, then he should never buy a Windows Mobile nor iphone based device as those are even more horrible. (that's exactly the reason why i moved to Android phones)
it'll probably make sense to just go back and use a normal 9 buttons cell phone to avoid any problem at all, then you'll have a cell phone that is good at what it does and not a multi purpose entertainment device with a build in cell phone.

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Are you saying you never experience *ANY* lag on your phone? This sounds very strange to me, as the lag problems seem to be an inherent problem of the phone's hardware/software architecture. I can hardly believe what you are saying, or maybe you have just not used your phone intensively enough. Otherwise me and a LOT of other GS users can get ready to return their phones for a replacement.
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Email - No issues, I can open an email, delete it, open another one and reply in a few seconds. I don't get the "10 seconds to delete an email" issue
GPS - Accurate to 12-odd feet, the occasional spaz out to 200 feet for a fraction of a second, but that's it
Menu - no lag issues, the odd stutter where it takes maybe 1/4 a second to show the transition animation, again, barely noticable
Apps - Other than "Zombies Live!" which is slow as hell, I don't get any unresponsive screens when apps load or quit
If you want I will make a video tomorrow. I am going to an airshow in the morning, but will make it when I get back in the evening.

Have to agree with extraordinary sluggishness despite battery pulls turning off animations etc...
Too bad...so much candy in this toy.

at my age, 36, i dont wish to spend too much time trying to fix the phone like applying rom, fixes, firmware etc.... i just want a smartphone that works well out of the box....
so after so many problems i experience using the phone i decided to sell it....
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Out of curiosity.. XDA is a developers forum (hence the name).. Why would you hang around if you just want an out of the box experience??

Welldone widjaja, i totaly agree with u, samsung galaxy s, what a pile of crap, i got rid of mine (at times i felt like smashing the pile of crap with a hammer or throwing it out of the window) i know have a dell streak and i couldent be happier
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anything that runs Windows Mobile is a piece of crap, else i wouldn't have switched to an Android phone. That Dell Stinks, it's even bigger and more cumbersome than the HTC Athena

Widjaja you're not alone, i've experienced the exact same problems. It almost felt you were talking about my handset.
This would really be the best handset if it wasn't for the issues you have mentioned, really.
Sent from my GT-I9000 using XDA App

This guy brings up good points, products should always work flawlessly out of the box. And for your situation, not wanting to tinker, its probably best to replace your phone with something simpler (aria). On the other hand, a few software fixes that are already out address all these issues and make this phone, the best on the market.
Gl with your next cellphone purchase.

Anyone else not to thrilled with their Atrix?

Maybe its just me but im not as impressed with my Atrix as i thought i would be. Before this i had a Nexus one and it seemed like it was much faster than the Atrix it just seems like its always lagging a little bit, i can really tell it when i unlock it because it will randomly stop before im done swiping my code. (if that makes since, hard to explain) I would use the Finger Print scanner but that took about 6 times to finally unlock the phone. Last but not least the flash light on the back. I use to use it all the time but now it doesn't work half the time. It will start flashing and dim untill it finally goes dead and doesnt work. It has like a yellow tint to it to. (not sure if that's normal)
Also the dock was a waist of 80$ Its not worth but maybe 10$ I cant even sync the phone up to the computer in it.

I am pretty much in love with mine... No lag, no random restarts, no troubles from the flash, zero problems. I am rooted and using GingerBlur 4.5 ATM. Maybe try modding it some.

i think we need a separate sub-forum for unhappy users. that way I dont have to read them
I think the Atrix is GREAT. I have owned it for a few months and at the same time bought and returned the HTC Inspire, SGS2 and the HTC Sensation. It beat them ALL IMHO. especially in battery life, sound quality and loudness, and general ability to run anything I install without a hitch. It is fast but not over-tuned (and lacking torque when it matters). For example, I play a lot of video and onyl the Atrix plays everything without a stutter. OK its camera isnt as good as SGS2, but its good enough. I like its screen the most of all the devices (its the birghtest, especially whites). Its the only device I feel I can rely on for an entire day without being near a battery charger.

Sanbourne said:
Maybe its just me but im not as impressed with my Atrix as i thought i would be. Before this i had a Nexus one and it seemed like it was much faster than the Atrix it just seems like its always lagging a little bit, i can really tell it when i unlock it because it will randomly stop before im done swiping my code. (if that makes since, hard to explain) I would use the Finger Print scanner but that took about 6 times to finally unlock the phone. Last but not least the flash light on the back. I use to use it all the time but now it doesn't work half the time. It will start flashing and dim untill it finally goes dead and doesnt work. It has like a yellow tint to it to. (not sure if that's normal)
Also the dock was a waist of 80$ Its not worth but maybe 10$ I cant even sync the phone up to the computer in it.
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..And the towers are too far apart and it doesn't play the song I want and one of the guys at the att store smells funny. Also Im on XDA but I'm not too sure how to search or ask questions so I guess I will rant.

As has bene documented countless times in this forum, the hardware is being suffocated by the software. That's why everyone anxiously awaits the bypassing of the bootloader, loading custom kernels and ROMs, and why many people are pressuring Motorola to set their phone free. Motorola promises late 2011, but some people have different timelines to take matters into their own hands.

No, mine is fast and has no lag.
Getting faster the more crap I put on it.

@WiredPirate
If your not going to answer my question dont reply to my thread.
Trolls these days, i swear

Sanbourne said:
@WiredPirate
If your not going to answer my question dont reply to my thread.
Trolls these days, i swear
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Exactly what goes through my mind when I see responses like that.
I'm in the same boat as you Sanbourne. Been having a lot of problems with my Atrix and I'm just about ready to get rid of it

I have used many phones, and I mean MANY. The atrix is the only phone that has finally made me say, wow. I don't see the problems your having and maybe the fact that its an assembly line phone you might need to replace it. I run 3d graphics without a hitch. Screen scrolling and unlocking is smooth as butter. Not to mention call quality, speaker, display, etc... It is by far a beast of a device. I have packed almost 40gb of info into this thing, have over 80 apps, including games, productivity and more. I am probably at any given time running 15 or more processes in the background and still, it takes it with no problem. These are phones here, and in a world where we rely less on what they do and more on how they do it and how they look we seem to forget that nothing comes close to what this phone has achieved in a power user standpoint. Keep that all in mind when you think the atrix isn't that great or impressive. Its your personal workhorse, its not a "pretty" phone or a "wow look at that phone!" its a, "nope, leave the laptop, I have everything I need right here"

I'm so tired of people *****ing about there phone. If I don't like it take it back. I love mine....fast as hell....tons of features..
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J-man67 said:
I am pretty much in love with mine... No lag, no random restarts, no troubles from the flash, zero problems. I am rooted and using GingerBlur 4.5 ATM. Maybe try modding it some.
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same here
i m just waiting for the bootloader to be unlocked + / and GB 2.3.4
ekerbuddyeker said:
i think we need a separate sub-forum for unhappy users. that way I dont have to read them
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Sanbourne said:
@WiredPirate
If your not going to answer my question dont reply to my thread.
Trolls these days, i swear
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You didn't ask any questions, there is not one single question mark in your whole post. You only posted to complain. This is a public forum if you dont want to hear my reply then you should post in a private forum. Instead you want me to read your lame ass post and copy/paste the information here for you so you dont have to do any work finding the answers yourself? YOU are the troll.
XXtremeAzzKicker said:
I'm so tired of people *****ing about there phone. If I don't like it take it back. I love mine....fast as hell....tons of features..
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+1

skillz9669 said:
I have used many phones, and I mean MANY. The atrix is the only phone that has finally made me say, wow. I don't see the problems your having and maybe the fact that its an assembly line phone you might need to replace it. I run 3d graphics without a hitch. Screen scrolling and unlocking is smooth as butter. Not to mention call quality, speaker, display, etc... It is by far a beast of a device. I have packed almost 40gb of info into this thing, have over 80 apps, including games, productivity and more. I am probably at any given time running 15 or more processes in the background and still, it takes it with no problem. These are phones here, and in a world where we rely less on what they do and more on how they do it and how they look we seem to forget that nothing comes close to what this phone has achieved in a power user standpoint. Keep that all in mind when you think the atrix isn't that great or impressive. Its your personal workhorse, its not a "pretty" phone or a "wow look at that phone!" its a, "nope, leave the laptop, I have everything I need right here"
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Same here and with Citrix Xen Desktop and the lapdock I can run a Windows XP session and use Excel/Word and all my other office software....
I don't understand about the flashlight...although I have read that some apps can burn out the led on a phone. Maybe you should take it in under warranty.
On the keypad..there is a delay if you are in the process of rebooting your phone. Otherwise entering the code is instantaneous. Fingerprint reader may take me two times..

Ive owned a moto backflip and htc aria before getting this phone and in my opinion, it feels like a better version of the motorola backflip
Life is a banquet and death is dessert

WiredPirate said:
You didn't ask any questions, there is not one single question mark in your whole post. You only posted to complain. This is a public forum if you dont want to hear my reply then you should post in a private forum. Instead you want me to read your lame ass post and copy/paste the information here for you so you dont have to do any work finding the answers yourself? YOU are the troll.
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I'm pretty sure you're the troll. If you don't like the content of the thread (or can already tell you won't by reading the title), exercise some god damn willpower and DON'T REPLY. You're wasting everyone's time.

I came from a Vodafone UK Iphone 4 and got back to the states...I picked up the atrix after a BUNCH of research. I am really happy with it. So much I really havent even paid attention to upcoming phones.(thats how I gauge how much i really like a phone). it is kinda like being happy with your woman enough not to notice all the others out there.
The other thing to keep in mind is the version of Android isnt even supporting ALL that this phone can do. So it really is future proof for a while. Gingerblur has made things smooth as can possibly be also.
give it some time bro

OP, I disagree with you. I recently baught a nexus one for my wife, $270 brand new. Although I love its build quality, my Atrix is MUCH faster (with Go launcher EX). And yes, even the Nexus one with its 1 Ghz CPU lags after a day of use.
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dLo GSR said:
I'm pretty sure you're the troll. If you don't like the content of the thread (or can already tell you won't by reading the title), exercise some god damn willpower and DON'T REPLY. You're wasting everyone's time.
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Now you're the troll. If you don't like the content of my post, exercise some god damn willpower and DON'T REPLY. You're wasting everyone's time.

skillz9669 said:
Keep that all in mind when you think the atrix isn't that great or impressive. Its your personal workhorse, its not a "pretty" phone or a "wow look at that phone!" its a, "nope, leave the laptop, I have everything I need right here"
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Exactly what I think about the atrix.
I love it.
Great post skillz. +1

Will agree with OP... It's nice but nothing takes advantage of the dual cores it seems.
Live Wallpaper is laggy (with launcher pro or motoblur), the screen takes forever to turn on, it seems every other previous flagship device is getting updates (It's pissing me off!)...
Next time I'm definitely going with HTC, if I can't find a good HTC I'll opt for samsung, but never again for Motorola. Or AT&T for that fact.