Database Users

Taking the plunge.... A few questions...

As mentioned I am trying to uck up the courage to go for the hd2!
My worries: (and I hoped you experts will be able to help me out!!)
1) large thread on vodaphone website suggesting (from what I can make out!) the hd2 has been abandoned (some suggest irreperable h/ware issues?)
the reviews I hve read rate this phone so highly so it's a shame if this is the case!
2) pink tinge on camera - is this hard or firmware and is the issue fixed?
3) played with a demo unit in the o2 store and the browser pinching doesn't work! Is this likely down to a "demo unit" thing?
4) how does the experience compare to any previous xda users? Had 3 xdas in the past including an orbit and ended up ditching them because of poor browser and crap data rates!
5) any recommendation on the difference between networks welcomed in terms of data as on an unlimited iPhone tariff which ends now so was using my collateral with that to source the phone!
Kind thanks for your thoughts, advice and recommendation!!!

davidandrews said:
1) large thread on vodaphone website suggesting (from what I can make out!) the hd2 has been abandoned (some suggest irreperable h/ware issues?)
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I don't think even Vodafone could answer this question for you! I wouldn't want to try and get one from them though, as there are so many on back-order now that you could be waiting a looooooooooooong time!
davidandrews said:
2) pink tinge on camera - is this hard or firmware and is the issue fixed?
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It varies from phone to phone, as to how serious this actually is. The camera fix has definitely improved things though, and a couple of setting changes make it pretty much disappear. Personally, it's never been bad enough for me to see it as an issue, and since the fix I really couldn't care less if it is there or not, as pics are looking a LOT better!
davidandrews said:
3) played with a demo unit in the o2 store and the browser pinching doesn't work! Is this likely down to a "demo unit" thing?
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Pinching works on Opera, but not on IE. There is a system style pinch-to-zoom that you can enable on most apps, but it's not the same and, in my opinion, a bit of a blag. When it is real, it looks great. Opera has become my favourite mobile browser since getting this phone.
davidandrews said:
4) how does the experience compare to any previous xda users? Had 3 xdas in the past including an orbit and ended up ditching them because of poor browser and crap data rates!
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Data rates, well that's down to your provider isn't it. As far as browsers go, the massive screen, pinching to zoom, and the overall speed of Opera make browsing on this phone a real joy. I started my xda journer with a Touch Diamond, moved to a HD, and then on to the HD2, and it's just got better and better every time!
davidandrews said:
5) any recommendation on the difference between networks welcomed in terms of data as on an unlimited iPhone tariff which ends now so was using my collateral with that to source the phone!
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I'm afraid that's where I bottom out. I've gone for a basic tarrif on a monthly rolling contract so that I'm not tied to any one provider. I currently use O2 and find them cheap and have had no problems with them (except 1 day where I couldn't get HSPA at work). I get HSPA coverage everywhere I normally go, and that's the most important thing for me. Basically, shop round and see what suits you. I don't think anyone can really answer this question - just advise you.
All-in-all GET IT!!! Hahaha. Like I explained, my xda journey has been a good one, where each phone blew the last phone away. This is the biggest leap I've had so far, in terms of performance and just generally being happy and impressed with the phone.
Yeah, there are some issues, mainly due to the fact that the phone is so new, but I bet 90% of people on here would rather have a phone with some bugs now, than wait till March next year before they get it.
Good luck on finding a good deal. Hope you get it sorted mate

Hello and Welcome,
I know how you feel about plucking up the courage to take the plunge. The press reviews are very positive; however users on here tell a different story which is a mixed bag.
If you are happy to take the time to tweak the device to get around some of the known problems then that's a positive. If you don' feel able to do so then you might want to hold fire until HTC have all the issues ironed out.
I suggest you do the following:
- start by reading this thread end to end...http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
- when done take a look at the first few pages of each sub forum of the LEO forum to get a summary of where people are at with this device
- then search for 2 threads which are both polls: one is on the sms problem and the other is on (I think) peoples overall views of the HD2.These should help give you a sense of balance and perspective.
Once you have done all this you should be able to judge for yourself whether you want to take the plunge or not.
By the way, tip on asking for help on here is to search first then, if you can't find what you are looking for come back, tell us where you have searched and we will help you out. I don't have a problem answering questions but you might get slaughtered/flamed by others who are not so patient.
Come back if you need more info.
All the best.
WB

I agree with the other comments. If you want the best phone out right now this is it despite some problems.
I would add that GPS is awsome I get signals inside buildings now and the large screen is great. To get it running the way I want I had to load the unoficial 1.61 TUR-WWE Rom as I had problem with bluetooth.
Its slightly too big for my tastes having jumped direct from a diamond but this is a personal preference. Also the glass screen 'seems' fragile Ie. Im always carefull not to drop it, I used to throw my diamond about everywhere.

davidandrews said:
As mentioned I am trying to uck up the courage to go for the hd2!
My worries: (and I hoped you experts will be able to help me out!!)
1) large thread on vodaphone website suggesting (from what I can make out!) the hd2 has been abandoned (some suggest irreperable h/ware issues?)
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Well, it all seems to be down to not being able to get stock? Well, the real deal IMHO is that they are about to launch another certain phone which is rather good at most of the things the Touch HD2 is good at. I reckon this is the real reason, they don't want to water down their iPhone launch.
There is PLENTY of Sim Free stock around, cheapest I found 2 days ago was Insight UK, £482 and £17 cashback if you go via Quidco.
davidandrews said:
2) pink tinge on camera - is this hard or firmware and is the issue fixed?
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Not had a chance to play yet, only had it a full day so far. Other reading I have done suggests its pretty much fixed. Lets face it, you don't get a WM device for great photos, but this seems to be best one so far.
davidandrews said:
3) played with a demo unit in the o2 store and the browser pinching doesn't work! Is this likely down to a "demo unit" thing?
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Almost certainly using IE and not Opera?
davidandrews said:
4) how does the experience compare to any previous xda users? Had 3 xdas in the past including an orbit and ended up ditching them because of poor browser and crap data rates!
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As other people say, data rates down to your Telco, but I will say in early testing here, the wi-fi pick up is easily the best WM device I have ever used, it finds it everytime you turn back on, not always the case with WM, and something the iPhone has always done superbly.
davidandrews said:
5) any recommendation on the difference between networks welcomed in terms of data as on an unlimited iPhone tariff which ends now so was using my collateral with that to source the phone!
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Well I am gonna see how long I can use it WITH my iPhone SIM before getting a warning from O2
But, IF you do not make many calls and texts (like me), it can be worth running devices like this with a SIM from a Mobile Broadband dongle.
I have a 3UK one which has 5GB of data for £7.50 a month, calls and texts are 20p I think but I use so few it dows not matter.
I also use a Vodafone PAYG one which you just top up £15 and it lasts ages, not so sure about phone calls though.
Over on my blog at http://www.kevwright.com I have been trying to dump an iPhone 3GS for a while now, and will shortly start adding entries from the HD2 vs the iPhone to go along with the current ones comparing S60 phones with the iPhone. May be of interest.
Kev
Kind thanks for your thoughts, advice and recommendation!!![/QUOTE]

Wow, i can't thank you all for your thoughts, tips and advice
I remember why i joined here five years ago.
Sorry if it seemed i posted questions when info is still readily available, but i have scoured scores of pages on o2 and vodaphone and felt i would get a more definitive and exact answer here as it was blowing my brain!
Going to O2 tomorrow as they are in stock got a choice of free at £45 or £93 phone on £35! Quite excited, need to buy lots of 16gb memory cards now!

Serious issues with HD2

Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Lack of App's in general
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
Just to name a few.
I wanted to love this phone. I spent a good month deciding what phone to get and this one seemed to fit the bill on paper. I have now had it for about two months and have wanted to smash it into a million pieces more times than I can remember. It has just got to the point that I'm putting it on ebay this afternoon.
I do think that the major flaw with this phone is Windows. Put Android on it and I am sure it would be amazing. For this reason a new HTC Desire is now on order.
Sorry to put this on here, but I need somewhere to vent my anger.

the only thing i hate about Leo..is lack of apps..and since the made it on wm 6.5..no devs will pay any serious attention at this platform..and android aint any better..
First I was so anti iphone..but now..I'm even thinking about switching..for some good games..most of the part..

Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Lack of App's in general
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
Just to name a few.
I wanted to love this phone. I spent a good month deciding what phone to get and this one seemed to fit the bill on paper. I have now had it for about two months and have wanted to smash it into a million pieces more times than I can remember. It has just got to the point that I'm putting it on ebay this afternoon.
I do think that the major flaw with this phone is Windows. Put Android on it and I am sure it would be amazing. For this reason a new HTC Desire is now on order.
Sorry to put this on here, but I need somewhere to vent my anger.
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im the opposite,I love my hd2.best phone I've ever had.....

Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Lack of App's in general
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
Just to name a few.
I wanted to love this phone. I spent a good month deciding what phone to get and this one seemed to fit the bill on paper. I have now had it for about two months and have wanted to smash it into a million pieces more times than I can remember. It has just got to the point that I'm putting it on ebay this afternoon.
I do think that the major flaw with this phone is Windows. Put Android on it and I am sure it would be amazing. For this reason a new HTC Desire is now on order.
Sorry to put this on here, but I need somewhere to vent my anger.
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blah blah blah....yawn

Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Lack of App's in general
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
Just to name a few.
I wanted to love this phone. I spent a good month deciding what phone to get and this one seemed to fit the bill on paper. I have now had it for about two months and have wanted to smash it into a million pieces more times than I can remember. It has just got to the point that I'm putting it on ebay this afternoon.
I do think that the major flaw with this phone is Windows. Put Android on it and I am sure it would be amazing. For this reason a new HTC Desire is now on order.
Sorry to put this on here, but I need somewhere to vent my anger.
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I agree with you, planning to sell it soon.

anyway as i said the only thing is lack of apps..
compare the appstore to windows market..the second one is so empty..
HD2 is really one of the best phones ever..and its way better then ip..but..I love playing games so mush..and on ip there r some tight *** games..
And on WM 6.5 the only good game out there is zenonia..and it was ported from ip..

Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Lack of App's in general
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
Just to name a few.
I wanted to love this phone. I spent a good month deciding what phone to get and this one seemed to fit the bill on paper. I have now had it for about two months and have wanted to smash it into a million pieces more times than I can remember. It has just got to the point that I'm putting it on ebay this afternoon.
I do think that the major flaw with this phone is Windows. Put Android on it and I am sure it would be amazing. For this reason a new HTC Desire is now on order.
Sorry to put this on here, but I need somewhere to vent my anger.
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Ditto, but i can't afford to sell.

A bad batch?
Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Lack of App's in general
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
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I have both an HD2 and an iPhone. HD2 is my work phone and the iPhone my private/games phone.
I do not have the problems on browsing, dataconnection or poor response on my HD2.
Some apps I installed did create those problems and I had to remove them.
There are lots of apps for the HD2 (though the number is decreasing since Microsoft decided to kill windows mobile) the problem is that there is not as much quality control as Apple imposes for the iphone and they are not easily accesible in a single appstore.
And I prefer the HD2 because it has a better screen

Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
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All of them are bull****.
There is a perfectly good auto rotation app.
If you need to restart that often, You must have a bad leo. Mine work(ed) fine, untill I broke it.
Web browsing works PERFECTLY. Its a tonne better than the Iphone browsing ever was! And with Wifi - Its just as good as a desktop brower.
Poor touch response? Never had that. It feels just like any other captive screen to me. Probably responds better than all other ones Ive owned.
Lack of apps? Well noone can say thats a lie. I miss the appstore so much. But Ive come to realise PSX on a mobile phone is better than any game the app store ever had.
I do miss little fun apps, that were usless though.
I really think your either a apple fan boy, or have a bad leo.
Get your warrenty to change it, and try to love it again.]
Because All ive had from my phone is love, and even my friends who copied me and got one fell in love (and hell, they are from from exprets on phones so you'd think they would hate winmo)

donwhann said:
im the opposite,I love my hd2.best phone I've ever had.....
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X2... I love mine. I just customized it the way I wanted and its great...IMO...Tj

Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!! -explain further/show proof? I have no problem
Lack of auto rotation in App's -as posted, there are numerous rotate apps
Lack of App's in general- If you did you're research on the phone you would know this, this is accross the whole WINMO estate, so not just the HD2, if you want shiny apps, you know where to go.
Continually having to restart- Yes, agreed when i was on stock rom i had to restart a lot but XDA had a lot of dedicatec chefs cooking roms for us where these issues do not happen
Web Browsing just does not work- I think you'll find it does, and perfectly well, give more details of your bad experience please
Poor response to touch!!- again, i fail to see this issue.
Just to name a few.
I wanted to love this phone. I spent a good month deciding what phone to get and this one seemed to fit the bill on paper. I have now had it for about two months and have wanted to smash it into a million pieces more times than I can remember. It has just got to the point that I'm putting it on ebay this afternoon.
I do think that the major flaw with this phone is Windows. Put Android on it and I am sure it would be amazing. For this reason a new HTC Desire is now on order.
Sorry to put this on here, but I need somewhere to vent my anger.
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thats my 2 pence ^^ my updates in bold

I agree with the first for you said, they are major issues, i cant believe HTC didnt see these problems when they released it in the U.S...I'm looking to sell mine and get an N1..

Sell, sell, sell
I agree, a terrible phone.
I'll give you $100 for it.

SMASH LUDDITES not your machine
Luddites were actually cool, unlike you.
Why don't you really get something to complain about, like an iphone.
Tadgerman said:
Dataconnection!!!
Lack of auto rotation in App's
Lack of App's in general
Continually having to restart
Web Browsing just does not work
Poor response to touch!!
Just to name a few.
I wanted to love this phone. I spent a good month deciding what phone to get and this one seemed to fit the bill on paper. I have now had it for about two months and have wanted to smash it into a million pieces more times than I can remember. It has just got to the point that I'm putting it on ebay this afternoon.
I do think that the major flaw with this phone is Windows. Put Android on it and I am sure it would be amazing. For this reason a new HTC Desire is now on order.
Sorry to put this on here, but I need somewhere to vent my anger.
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personally i'd rather buy an iphone as another phone just for games then change my precious for it!!
hd2 is sooo tight!

Dataconnection: no problems at all. Wifi and H/G3 connections work without any problems. Fast and very stable.
Lack of auto rotation in apps: Plenty of apps with auto rotation. If not, you can force auto rotation with a tool.
Lack of apps in general: most USEFUL apps are available. I'm not a hardcore gamer, but I like the games (3D and puzzle) that are on the market. I don't need most of the useless games of the iphone. iphone has more free games, but the price of the phone is much higher so you will pay the apps anyway.
Restart: I have the phone for 3 months now, 2 restarts because of freezes and mainly because of tweaking.
Webbrowsing: best I've ever experienced on a mobile phone. The screen is perfect for this, and everything feels very smooth and works like a laptop. One of the main reasons why I bought this phone.
Poor respons to touch: I really don't understand this point. The screen is very responsive and fast.
I think you have a bad product. I'm a serious user of this phone and I never experienced one of the above mentioned problems.

Flash your phone with one of the custom roms from xda and stop complaining about the HD2 or go and buy an iPhone. There are tons of solutions here on this forum...My HD2 is stable as a rock, if I have a problem I search the forum instead of complaining and telling everybody how bad the HD2 is.

cfds said:
Flash your phone with one of the custom roms from xda and stop complaining about the HD2 or go and buy an iPhone. There are tons of solutions here on this forum...My HD2 is stable as a rock, if I have a problem I search the forum instead of complaining and telling everybody how bad the HD2 is.
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Flashing the rom, voiding the warranty should never be the answer to fix a phone, should be functional from the start..You lose..

KidTech said:
Flashing the rom, voiding the warranty should never be the answer to fix a phone, should be functional from the start..You lose..
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Hahaha, if you are scared of flashing HD2, voiding your warranty temporarily, you'd better not be here:-j.
I only agreed on 1 point, fun and small games, WVGA games for HD2 are not enough and I really miss Tunewiki and Layar. That's it. Best and most beautiful phone I've ever had

KidTech said:
Flashing the rom, voiding the warranty should never be the answer to fix a phone, should be functional from the start..You lose..
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Name a single phone that doens't have problems. Then please salt your hat, and eat it.
Voiding warrenty? Just flash to stock. Tmob havn't said a single thing about mine yet! even when I went into a shop with a clearly un-stock rom.

Good bye HD2, it's been hell and back.

For the last 6 weeks I've had nothing but headaches between two T-Mobile HD2's. I bought on release date, 3 days later I was better off tossing it in the freezer because all it would do is freeze. It also lagged, was buggy and a glitch fest. Apps didnt work, screen didn't work, Sense UI wouldn't load ugh, I can go on. I got another HD2, within the first 7 hours it froze on me too lol. It also had the same issues as the first.
I just want to thank everybody here in the forums for helping solve my phone issue, as I've research and tried everything but they did not help. Also thanks to HTC and T-mobile.com for putting up with my madness lol, although T-Mobile allowed me to get my OG plan back (and keep my HD2), I can now leave T-Mobile (im under no contract) to get something else (leaning towards the Evo 4G over the Nexus One).
P.S. I hope T-Mobile gets there act together and releases a patch ASAP, it sucks that such a incredible piece of hardware is having a lot of problematic issues.

that's weird,I assume you were on stock rom which is why u got the issues...custom roms eliminate those issues u have on stock rom.

i dont think it's so much the stock ROM, mine's been wonderful with the stock ROM. it's more that he was unlucky enough to be one of the first bozos who got the phone with version 2.10. for me, rom version 2.11 has been nothing but bliss, so much that after trying several custom roms i went back to my stock 2.11 because, compared to it, all custom roms suck (winmo devs aren't as good as android devs).
there's a thread with stock roms and 2.11 is usable even without hspl (i kept hspl out of personal preference and I'll try to make my own build). good luck to you anyway. i suggest you get a nexus one and flash desire rom (or heck, get a desire)

If it is freezing, the first setting I would check is
Start > Settings > Menu > All Settings > Today > Items
The setting "Today timeout", at the bottom left hand corner,
should not be selected/enabled.

why shouldnt the today timeout be selected,just out of curiosity?

jkiller122 said:
why shouldnt the today timeout be selected,just out of curiosity?
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i just unchecked it so i'll wait and see if anything improves (i have minor freezing/lag with calls and sms sometimes)...but im also curious what this fixes

I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.

My phone has frozen at least once every day it seems like. But I think i solved the battery issue. I bought a second battery!! Haha, I am so S M R T! At any rate, I love this phone for the big screen and fast internet. I just wish I had a way to get mp4's to watch. Or that more books on barnes and noble were free.

DaveNavy said:
I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.
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LOL, Less talking, more listening kid.
It's obvious you have no idea what your talking about and lacking the intelligence to do so. I have plenty of videos posted here showing how horrible my two devices are (do a search). It's HTC Sense UI that is the problem, not WM6.5. I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way. So keep talking ****, that's why your teeth are brown.
Dude is soo anal because I gave up on my HD2, lol. If you like yours that fine but don't cry me a river because I didn't like mine lmao!

Raadius said:
I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way.
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Why does "...and Windows 7 was my idea!" come to mind?

Raadius said:
I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way.
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Are you serious! You think it's because of you that an update is on it's way?! If you do, you are a severe narcissist. The fact that you think that really makes anything else you claim questionable.

Woot, 8 posts to 1,000.
7!

zarathustrax said:
Are you serious! You think it's because of you that an update is on it's way?! If you do, you are a severe narcissist. The fact that you think that really makes anything else you claim questionable.
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Agreed.Also i thought you were an Android fan boy, didn't you have a G1?

DaveNavy said:
I think its more of a "You don't know how to use such a powerful piece of equipment!!!" There is nothing wrong with your phone, its just easier for you to believe your own lie when you return it by posting for others to read what horse doo doo it is,...Like for example, "Transformers missing do to a Faulty sdCARD"...sorry I have full reset my phone several times just to erase everything and removed my sdCard with no Data loss issues, I agree with the other guy, I think its you and you should properly close your apps before claiming its your phone...Ever heard P.E.B.K.A.C before?...Problem Exists Between Keyboard and Chair!!! That's you!!! Grow up!! These Phones Rock, apple fan boys will do anything to make a solid product look bad.
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you sir are an idiot.... did you look at his sdcard, you were there while he was using the phone to say it that kind of ****? you ve had good luck with you r device and I congratulate you but not everybody phone has been flawless. so basicly.........STFU.

if you go for android you will know the value of your hd2

Raadius said:
LOL, Less talking, more listening kid.
It's obvious you have no idea what your talking about and lacking the intelligence to do so. I have plenty of videos posted here showing how horrible my two devices are (do a search). It's HTC Sense UI that is the problem, not WM6.5. I've shown HTC reps and T-Mobile reps my phone, they've test and diagnosis it, and if it wasn't for me, there wouldn't be a update on the way. So keep talking ****, that's why your teeth are brown.
Dude is soo anal because I gave up on my HD2, lol. If you like yours that fine but don't cry me a river because I didn't like mine lmao!
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I was with you till you said the bolded
how solipsistic can you be to assume that based on your pathetic user experience that tmobile and htc would generate an entire updated rom to suit just your needs??? Give me a break dude...
this is xdas not fan pandering to overly zealous delusional users that are so far up steve jobs craw they can see his prostate...I mean seriously what the frick???
And I admit for 80% of errors it is brought on by the user and not the device itself. The hd2 has its flaws. All phones do...but for most users they are iphone/android converts expecting the same experience without doing any research on htc and windows mobile. And to those users, yes I say they do deserve any error they get. Why? You didn't take time to learn about your device. This isn't something as simple as a flashlight where you press the on button and something magically happens. Its a pocket pc and that means a lot...

Closing this thread as it is turning into a bashing session. Lets keep it civil.

It's been a fun ride...

It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile (which I have already tried), I'd be willing to keep the phone!

alexs0fly said:
It's been fun, but I'm saying good-bye to my HD2.
The lag and crashing issues aren't THAT bad (excluding the texting program) but it's just inconvenient. A phone shouldn't have any of these issues, right?? And its nice that you can try different ROMs to find better performance but you shouldn't have to search for an alternative such as that after receiving your $450 brand new phone (I regret paying the full retail price so bad. I shouldn't have bought into the hype).
And for those of you claiming to have ZERO problems with your stock TMOUS HD2's running default ROMs, I question what your definitions of "problem" and "inconvenience" are, along with your perception of lag and ability to notice it. But if our perception to lag and detail is the same and you actually don't have any problems then you are very lucky.
Things I love: Browsing, Sense minus texting, Screen, Office Mobile, Camera
Things I hate: Texting, crashes, drop of 3G (probably more of T-Mobile's fault), lack of Apps compared to the droid and apple platforms.
To be honest, if I didn't text so much, I'd probably keep the phone.
Once again, it's been fun and this forum has been VERY helpful in my quest to fix the phone. Everyone is nice and overall very well informed. Thanks!
-Alex
PS, if anyone has some secret solution to this problem(s) other than trying the latest 2.13 ROM from T-mobile, I'd be willing to keep the phone!
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have you updated to the latest rom? texting has greatly improved IMHO. that was also my major concern with this phone prior to the update.

I agree with you to a certain extent, Alex. But I am more of a tinkerer to find solutions to the problems. If there weren't ANY problems with the phone, I would get rid of it!!!!
As far as texting... have you tried Swype? I came from a hardware-keyboard phone myself, and hated trying to text with the onscreen keyboard. But after getting used to Swype, I can say that I am MUCH happier.
With all that said... I'll give you $100 for your phone!!!!

I'll go to 105.

Alex,
If you bought a car, and a few months later the manufacturer announces they have a modification they can do to the car that will address certain issues, including one that you're experiencing (let's assume something other than critical safety issues)....do you return the car, or let them apply the modification?
It's the same idea with the new tmo ROM...it's an official update that you should try, especially with your SMS issues. No product is perfect out of the gate, and an official update like this is the only real way for them to try to fix issues from the factory. If you like the phone other than those reasons you listed, it seems silly to walk away from it already without even giving that a try.

Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys

Camusa said:
I'll go to 105.
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I've got 110.00

Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?

Software Vs. Hardware
I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.

alexs0fly said:
Sorry that I didn't make it clear but I'm running the 2.13 right now. Texting is a little better but still laggy. And I should probably give swype a try before writing it off. We will see. Thanks guys
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Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.

adamhlj said:
Alex, what phone are you gonna switch to?
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I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
np231 said:
I really don't have any major problems with anything on the stock rom. No lags or nothing. That being said, if I experienced any issues my first response would be to find out if its hardware or software related.
In my mind, you can solve every single software related issues and I really love the HD2 hardware so there is no way I will ever return mine just because I face some software issues. And this is the great thing about WM, you can actually tweak it to function the way you want.
I must say that this is not the phone for someone who wants it work out of the box. I mean it works but you really need to know what you are doing. Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps. Its WM, you have to know what you are getting into before you buy a phone.
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Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
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Ahhh gotcha, understood now, sorry.
Yes I would definitely give swype a try, once you use it, it's a whole different touch-typing experience.
The only other thing I'd ask is how often you clear out text messages on your phone? I think that 99% of the SMS freezing is due to too many text messages in the client at once. I clean mine out once a day at least, more if I'm texting a lot that day. I simply run a quick myphone backup to save them off-phone, and then I wipe out any threads I'm not currently conversing in (including clearing the deleted items folder). I never have any SMS freezing, even on the original (2.10) tmo ROM I'm still running.
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I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though

your hd2
alexs0fly said:
I'm gonna just go with something simple and cheap like a Blackberry 8900 or 8520. I also need the money because something came up =/
Yeah, I know there's a lot of tweaking involved. I guess I just belong to the group of people that just want their phone to operate nearly perfectly fresh out of the box. I guess I really didn't know what I was getting myself into. I should have looked further into WM.
I'm testing out swype. I don't like it for the moment but I think its just because I'm not used to it. Gonna keep messing with it. As for clearing messages, I try not to let mine exceed 50. I wish I never had SMS freezing. I had less freezing on Kumar's classic 1.6 though
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let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.

np231 said:
Regarding the apps, WM has far more apps then any mobile os out there, you cannot just compare the marketplace apps.
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Apps that are compatible with this phone's resolution? Apps that compare to the UI of other platforms? Games that are similar to one on the other platforms?
Until you can show me this, I will still consider WM phones to be a NON-app instensive platform. Yes, they have all the apps you could need to do anything with, but they don't have all the apps you WANT.

jaliscojorge said:
let me know if you decide you want to get rid of your phone. I would seriously consider buying it if your price isn't to far fetched.
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What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.

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What do you consider a "far fetched" price to be? I cant take too big of a loss either you know.
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pm me with a price and i will let you know if i can afford it.

i want to get rid of my phone too, evo 4g is out and it puts this phone to shame.. the laggy texting ect..swype wont even help u.. and u can get swype for a lot of phones anyway.

I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents

rysky007, I agree with you for the most part

Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
rysky007 said:
I have to agree with you 100%, I am coming of of a Nokia E51 which for a three year old phone has more basic, logical features which I though every phone would have.
The sms lagg is horrible and I experience all the time, or the fact that we cant keep the hom page looking the way it does and turn off the active weather. It lags the crap out of th phone if u just go to move screens or find something and its showing you clouds for 19 seconds scrolling by..
you cannot uninstal the useless applications that came with it without whiping the entire phone.
The new update is fine and dandy, but It clears the whole phone, so eveyr thign I have installed and set i have to redo just to get an upgrade, totaly idiotic in my mind. If its a OS update, then it should only effect the OS backround files not reset the total system.
Backing up contact. Sims only store 250 contact. I have over 300 so I have many on my phone it self, to copy the entire phone book to memory card, i have to do it one by one. Yes I know I can instal an app for it, but should I really have to? thats should be a basic app. Syncing with your computer, requires you to have email set up in outlook, I dont use out look, so I have to go through all that troube just to get that done.
In my house, my nokia has full signal at all times, with this new bad boy phone i barly get one bar if I am lucky.
Just simple little things which should be an automacit features on phones are missing here. I dont get the thinking behind that.
To the person who did the car analogy. Would you buy a expensive car if you had to install the breaks you self after purchase.. Oh you want a rear veiw mirror? here is a mirror, and some glue go have fun? no you would not, you would expect all functions to be there.
The phone doesnt even allow you to control how you view your contacts for crying out loud, I had to D/L an app to set if i want to view first name/ last name, vs the default last name first name. That is just bad.
Out side of a big shiny screen that eats ur batery life in one day and the camera.. nothing special.
just my two cents
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PoisonWolf said:
Would you buy a car knowing that it does not come with certain features or does not perform the way you want it to? Or do you just buy any car expecting all of them to come with features just because a car of another brand had them? There is a reason why it's better to lease a BMW than buying it.
It seems like you're the average joe that bought into the hype not knowing what Windows Mobile is.
Don't come crying just because the phone was not what you expected it to be. Do your homework next time before making a purchase.
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A better analogy is you are buying a stock BMW and expecting it to drive like a F1 race car. Fact is, you have to add certain available add-ons to make it into a M5-ish car with the type of race tires you want and the suspension your driving habits need.

Anyone else not to thrilled with their Atrix?

Maybe its just me but im not as impressed with my Atrix as i thought i would be. Before this i had a Nexus one and it seemed like it was much faster than the Atrix it just seems like its always lagging a little bit, i can really tell it when i unlock it because it will randomly stop before im done swiping my code. (if that makes since, hard to explain) I would use the Finger Print scanner but that took about 6 times to finally unlock the phone. Last but not least the flash light on the back. I use to use it all the time but now it doesn't work half the time. It will start flashing and dim untill it finally goes dead and doesnt work. It has like a yellow tint to it to. (not sure if that's normal)
Also the dock was a waist of 80$ Its not worth but maybe 10$ I cant even sync the phone up to the computer in it.

I am pretty much in love with mine... No lag, no random restarts, no troubles from the flash, zero problems. I am rooted and using GingerBlur 4.5 ATM. Maybe try modding it some.

i think we need a separate sub-forum for unhappy users. that way I dont have to read them
I think the Atrix is GREAT. I have owned it for a few months and at the same time bought and returned the HTC Inspire, SGS2 and the HTC Sensation. It beat them ALL IMHO. especially in battery life, sound quality and loudness, and general ability to run anything I install without a hitch. It is fast but not over-tuned (and lacking torque when it matters). For example, I play a lot of video and onyl the Atrix plays everything without a stutter. OK its camera isnt as good as SGS2, but its good enough. I like its screen the most of all the devices (its the birghtest, especially whites). Its the only device I feel I can rely on for an entire day without being near a battery charger.

Sanbourne said:
Maybe its just me but im not as impressed with my Atrix as i thought i would be. Before this i had a Nexus one and it seemed like it was much faster than the Atrix it just seems like its always lagging a little bit, i can really tell it when i unlock it because it will randomly stop before im done swiping my code. (if that makes since, hard to explain) I would use the Finger Print scanner but that took about 6 times to finally unlock the phone. Last but not least the flash light on the back. I use to use it all the time but now it doesn't work half the time. It will start flashing and dim untill it finally goes dead and doesnt work. It has like a yellow tint to it to. (not sure if that's normal)
Also the dock was a waist of 80$ Its not worth but maybe 10$ I cant even sync the phone up to the computer in it.
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..And the towers are too far apart and it doesn't play the song I want and one of the guys at the att store smells funny. Also Im on XDA but I'm not too sure how to search or ask questions so I guess I will rant.

As has bene documented countless times in this forum, the hardware is being suffocated by the software. That's why everyone anxiously awaits the bypassing of the bootloader, loading custom kernels and ROMs, and why many people are pressuring Motorola to set their phone free. Motorola promises late 2011, but some people have different timelines to take matters into their own hands.

No, mine is fast and has no lag.
Getting faster the more crap I put on it.

@WiredPirate
If your not going to answer my question dont reply to my thread.
Trolls these days, i swear

Sanbourne said:
@WiredPirate
If your not going to answer my question dont reply to my thread.
Trolls these days, i swear
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Exactly what goes through my mind when I see responses like that.
I'm in the same boat as you Sanbourne. Been having a lot of problems with my Atrix and I'm just about ready to get rid of it

I have used many phones, and I mean MANY. The atrix is the only phone that has finally made me say, wow. I don't see the problems your having and maybe the fact that its an assembly line phone you might need to replace it. I run 3d graphics without a hitch. Screen scrolling and unlocking is smooth as butter. Not to mention call quality, speaker, display, etc... It is by far a beast of a device. I have packed almost 40gb of info into this thing, have over 80 apps, including games, productivity and more. I am probably at any given time running 15 or more processes in the background and still, it takes it with no problem. These are phones here, and in a world where we rely less on what they do and more on how they do it and how they look we seem to forget that nothing comes close to what this phone has achieved in a power user standpoint. Keep that all in mind when you think the atrix isn't that great or impressive. Its your personal workhorse, its not a "pretty" phone or a "wow look at that phone!" its a, "nope, leave the laptop, I have everything I need right here"

I'm so tired of people *****ing about there phone. If I don't like it take it back. I love mine....fast as hell....tons of features..
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J-man67 said:
I am pretty much in love with mine... No lag, no random restarts, no troubles from the flash, zero problems. I am rooted and using GingerBlur 4.5 ATM. Maybe try modding it some.
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same here
i m just waiting for the bootloader to be unlocked + / and GB 2.3.4
ekerbuddyeker said:
i think we need a separate sub-forum for unhappy users. that way I dont have to read them
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Sanbourne said:
@WiredPirate
If your not going to answer my question dont reply to my thread.
Trolls these days, i swear
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You didn't ask any questions, there is not one single question mark in your whole post. You only posted to complain. This is a public forum if you dont want to hear my reply then you should post in a private forum. Instead you want me to read your lame ass post and copy/paste the information here for you so you dont have to do any work finding the answers yourself? YOU are the troll.
XXtremeAzzKicker said:
I'm so tired of people *****ing about there phone. If I don't like it take it back. I love mine....fast as hell....tons of features..
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+1

skillz9669 said:
I have used many phones, and I mean MANY. The atrix is the only phone that has finally made me say, wow. I don't see the problems your having and maybe the fact that its an assembly line phone you might need to replace it. I run 3d graphics without a hitch. Screen scrolling and unlocking is smooth as butter. Not to mention call quality, speaker, display, etc... It is by far a beast of a device. I have packed almost 40gb of info into this thing, have over 80 apps, including games, productivity and more. I am probably at any given time running 15 or more processes in the background and still, it takes it with no problem. These are phones here, and in a world where we rely less on what they do and more on how they do it and how they look we seem to forget that nothing comes close to what this phone has achieved in a power user standpoint. Keep that all in mind when you think the atrix isn't that great or impressive. Its your personal workhorse, its not a "pretty" phone or a "wow look at that phone!" its a, "nope, leave the laptop, I have everything I need right here"
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Same here and with Citrix Xen Desktop and the lapdock I can run a Windows XP session and use Excel/Word and all my other office software....
I don't understand about the flashlight...although I have read that some apps can burn out the led on a phone. Maybe you should take it in under warranty.
On the keypad..there is a delay if you are in the process of rebooting your phone. Otherwise entering the code is instantaneous. Fingerprint reader may take me two times..

Ive owned a moto backflip and htc aria before getting this phone and in my opinion, it feels like a better version of the motorola backflip
Life is a banquet and death is dessert

WiredPirate said:
You didn't ask any questions, there is not one single question mark in your whole post. You only posted to complain. This is a public forum if you dont want to hear my reply then you should post in a private forum. Instead you want me to read your lame ass post and copy/paste the information here for you so you dont have to do any work finding the answers yourself? YOU are the troll.
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I'm pretty sure you're the troll. If you don't like the content of the thread (or can already tell you won't by reading the title), exercise some god damn willpower and DON'T REPLY. You're wasting everyone's time.

I came from a Vodafone UK Iphone 4 and got back to the states...I picked up the atrix after a BUNCH of research. I am really happy with it. So much I really havent even paid attention to upcoming phones.(thats how I gauge how much i really like a phone). it is kinda like being happy with your woman enough not to notice all the others out there.
The other thing to keep in mind is the version of Android isnt even supporting ALL that this phone can do. So it really is future proof for a while. Gingerblur has made things smooth as can possibly be also.
give it some time bro

OP, I disagree with you. I recently baught a nexus one for my wife, $270 brand new. Although I love its build quality, my Atrix is MUCH faster (with Go launcher EX). And yes, even the Nexus one with its 1 Ghz CPU lags after a day of use.
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dLo GSR said:
I'm pretty sure you're the troll. If you don't like the content of the thread (or can already tell you won't by reading the title), exercise some god damn willpower and DON'T REPLY. You're wasting everyone's time.
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Now you're the troll. If you don't like the content of my post, exercise some god damn willpower and DON'T REPLY. You're wasting everyone's time.

skillz9669 said:
Keep that all in mind when you think the atrix isn't that great or impressive. Its your personal workhorse, its not a "pretty" phone or a "wow look at that phone!" its a, "nope, leave the laptop, I have everything I need right here"
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Exactly what I think about the atrix.
I love it.
Great post skillz. +1

Will agree with OP... It's nice but nothing takes advantage of the dual cores it seems.
Live Wallpaper is laggy (with launcher pro or motoblur), the screen takes forever to turn on, it seems every other previous flagship device is getting updates (It's pissing me off!)...
Next time I'm definitely going with HTC, if I can't find a good HTC I'll opt for samsung, but never again for Motorola. Or AT&T for that fact.