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No more slide out qwerty

so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.

bmnaccounts said:
so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.
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new recovery images use trackball as well

alapapa said:
new recovery images use trackball as well
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while this is true. It's not gonna be fun when some of us drop down to a console while in recovery mode. (ie. upgrade_fs for upgrading ext2 -> ext3 on cyan's recovery image

The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model

Lou2serious said:
The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model
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yeah but not in recovery console mode, its gonna suck

dont mean to sound negative... but i read on haykuro's twitter that the Hero has a newer SPL, "perfected" as he calls it, which he says is un-rootable..
we will see how things go with that....
just check the twitter to validate my info

doubleokneegro said:
dont mean to sound negative... but i read on haykuro's twitter that the Hero has a newer SPL, "perfected" as he calls it, which he says is un-rootable..
we will see how things go with that....
just check the twitter to validate my info
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Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.

bmnaccounts said:
so I was just wondering how are we going to alt-s or alt-w our androids now that the new ones wont have physical keyboards.
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You can use the volume keys to select the option on the recovery screen, then press the trackball button to select that option. You can do this on the G1 or myTouch (Magic).
Lou2serious said:
The keyboards are multi-touch on the new model
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myTouch does not have multi-touch, though with that kind of name you'd expect it to...

i did not know that about the volume keys good to know.
and there is no thing as a pick safe lock, locks are rated it terms of hours. as in how many hours it will take to pick, so it goes with rom's to.

cidica said:
Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.
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If you read his twitter it says it's not rootable (until further notice).
Also, it's the Hero that has real multi-touch.

cidica said:
Nothing in unrootable. Maybe it will take longer but I'm pretty sure it will be done. Not taking anything away from Haykuro but yeah nothing is perfect.
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Yep. Microsoft's 360 console was supposed to be unhackable as well. It didn't take long

we have found a way to hack any and all electronics in existance, the phone is rootable it might just need a newer mind to take a look. people get into their heads that things can only be done a certain way, there is always another way to do it. to name a few
ALL HTC PHONES
Sony PSP
PS3
Xbox 360
iPhone
mac computers
linux computers
windows computers
i don't think i need to go on, everything is hackable and can be messed with, sometimes it just takes a little more work and a different approach.

bmnaccounts said:
i did not know that about the volume keys good to know.
and there is no thing as a pick safe lock, locks are rated it terms of hours. as in how many hours it will take to pick, so it goes with rom's to.
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... someone's been watching Mythbusters....
-bZj

down8 said:
... someone's been watching Mythbusters....
-bZj
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Or it could be that some people have that common knowledge? I knew it from buying a safe.
In any case, it really makes me wonder why phone companies bother with lock downs. Sure, some of the general public won't bother trying, but how much money is invested in locking us from root and then lost when a 16 year old kid cracks it?

KyleK29 said:
Yep. Microsoft's 360 console was supposed to be unhackable as well. It didn't take long
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Microshaft doesn't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to security....
Unlike Linux, which Android *IS*.
That being said, rooting ANY Android device is *easy*. Just not necessarily through the conventional back doors.
If you can read and write the chips, you can very easily make any modifications you like into the root filesystem, which can include adding an 'su' command. Only problem with this is that it generally requires a hardware approach, which is beyond the scope of the average user... who probably shouldn't be messing with root anyways.
I do, however, feel a bit of a letdown in this issue though. The unfortunate thing is that the carriers still are trying to call the shots (and generally succeeding due to popular ignorance). I would like to see this change -- there was once a time when you bought your land phone from the phone company and this is not so any more. Right now, most people are still buying their mobile phone from the phone company, even though it isn't necessary. I would definitely like to see more dealers for non-carrier-specific cell phones, and to have them show up in popular places. I would like to see these sold at places like walmart and radio shack so that you can just walk in and buy a phone with no strings attached.
There are a few reasons why I opted for an ADP1...
1) no contract,
2) no controls,
3) no carrier,
I bought it outright, its mine, and I can do what I like with it. People who are interested in the freedom of an unrestricted device should opt for this approach. ADP1 is STILL AVAILABLE, and there is not much about the new devices that improves on it.. sure I admit that having a little more ram would be nice, but the keyboard sure makes up for it. Yes, the majority of devices can be converted into an unrestricted device, but it just isn't right that you would have to hack it.

Sorry for the offtopic, but show me someone booting ISOs on PS3

BolecDST said:
Sorry for the offtopic, but show me someone booting ISOs on PS3
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maybe not ISOs, but it's still been 'hacked' with home-brew firmwares etc.
http://www.ps3-hacks.com/forums/

not exactly
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Microshaft doesn't exactly have a strong track record when it comes to security....
Unlike Linux, which Android *IS*.
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well at the last hacker convention windows vista was not hacked until many third-party apps were involved, linux was hacked long before that. i'm not saying that linux is unsecure because it is very secure in the since that you can't do much if you hack my computer. any real threat would have to have the root password and to get that you would need a keylogger
lbcoder said:
but it just isn't right that you would have to hack it.
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hacking the phone is half the fun. i get phones that can be hacked just cause i like to see what they can do.

tubaking182 said:
hacking the phone is half the fun. i get phones that can be hacked just cause i like to see what they can do.
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Exactly...trying to get the most out of a phone "IS" the fun part! Why do you think we're all in this forum

tubaking182 said:
well at the last hacker convention windows vista was not hacked until many third-party apps were involved, linux was hacked long before that. i'm not saying that linux is unsecure because it is very secure in the since that you can't do much if you hack my computer. any real threat would have to have the root password and to get that you would need a keylogger
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Dude, vista was hacked before it was even released.
And fyi; hacked = got root. Guessing at some user's password doesn't count. Hacking some particular server (i.e. Apache) doesn't count since it is run jailed (unless the admin is an idiot) and therefore won't let you get root. There have been a VERY FEW true root compromises for Linux, each and every one has been patched within hours (if not minutes) of it being identified, and due to the differing culture around linux, it is a matter of extreme pride to publicly identify security issues, i.e. if you legitimately hack linux, you are most likely going to take full credit for it using your REAL NAME and probably even provide a patch at the same time. Hack windoze though and you release under a fake name using a secure proxy in russia or china, otherwise MS will sue your a$$ until you die of starvation either through judgement or through legal expenses.
In Linux, you are a hero for identifying a security hole and helping to bring the whole thing closer to perfection.
In windoze, you are a criminal for pointing out the ineptitude of MS.

What would you do?

If T-Mobile in US starts selling iPhone 4 would you give up your HD2 and move on?
MY answer is: I would need to see a phone in live, see how it works and what's it all about and maaaaaybe - just maybe a year from now I get it instead of HD2 which I would ship back to Europe.
So what's your take on it?

eenbox said:
If T-Mobile in US starts selling iPhone 4 would you give up your HD2 and move on?
MY answer is: I would need to see a phone in live, see how it works and what's it all about and maaaaaybe - just maybe a year from now I get it instead of HD2 which I would ship back to Europe.
So what's your take on it?
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Big NO!!
The Main reason, the Iphone is too "Big Brotherish" for me, any phone that lets the manufacturer delete apps from my phone with out my approval is a NO NO ...
One of the reasons I will not go to Android as well, I really like Android but not gonna give up control of my phone .

There's no way in hell that I'll be able to revert back to that tiny little screen.

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atn_chargers said:
There's no way in hell that I'll be able to revert back to that tiny little screen.
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Seconded, 250,000 apps and still noone cares.
How many maps do you really need

HD2 OS upgrade???

Anyone know what this link is about?
http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=198480
I'm unable to connect to the server...saw it in google news...

Even if it was true, current handsets wouldn't be able to make use of it, as there are too many buttons.

I was wondering... what is the problem with having more buttons? If we had less, I could have understood that it represented a problem, but if there are more... I don't see how that could bother such a high-end OS. Can`t the remaining buttons simply be mapped to do ordinary stuff? Or in the worst case, can`t they simply be rendered useless?

anrabi4 said:
I was wondering... what is the problem with having more buttons? If we had less, I could have understood that it represented a problem, but if there are more... I don't see how that could bother such a high-end OS. Can`t the remaining buttons simply be mapped to do ordinary stuff? Or in the worst case, can`t they simply be rendered useless?
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Thats what I thought too, but every single piece of info I can see on WinPhone 7 (including the development guides) is that there are only mappings for a particular layout of buttons.
I'm guessing these are mapped to particular ASCII codes or something, almost certainly different ones to the button codes on the HD2 at current (not sure how easy it is to change these, maybe hardware driver level?).

Here is what i do not get about the buttons. Why not leave the answer and hangup buttons out of the equasion? they serve a simple purpose. they have the 3 middle buttons for the stupid os controls.

i saw that today, i have the link http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=198480
why would this be a lie? i want to change my software to android but seems like too much hassle. i download it but the screen stayed black.

andyjm said:
why would this be a lie?
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Its looking to be more and more like a viral style advert for selling the HD2 judging by all the "deals" links all over it.

andyjm said:
why would this be a lie?
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lmao! what a sugar coated world you live in.

ha ha sugar coated i wish it wasn't a lie cus the software on this phone is ****e.

heh, four or so more months and the first wp7 phones will start being announced. (unless they stick to MS's usual schedule of being put back again and again)
Still, there'l never be another OS as tweakable as this, from here on out its gonna be locked down and locked in all teh way.

any chance you can instruct me how to install android on my phone samuel?

andyjm said:
any chance you can instruct me how to install android on my phone samuel?
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no, sorry, never done it.

andyjm said:
any chance you can instruct me how to install android on my phone samuel?
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Follow this link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=732380

My Screen is Touching Itself

Hi all,
About 2 weeks ago I noticed the bottom left of my screen would activate by itself repeatedly. This mostly seemed to happen when I was trying to type something. It carried on for a while so tonight I flashed a romkitchen rom (2.3.3) (I was on 2.2.1 before), thinking it might be a bug in the system somewhere. Well the problem is still there and I;ve discovered it's always that same corner of the screen that does it no matter what orientation I have it in. I can't even sign into the market at the moment because it makes it impossible to type and the screen ends up freezing until I press the home screen.
Is there anything this could be other than a hardware issue? I did a full factory reset etc during the flashing process.
If I need to send it back would I need to flash it back to stock? I bout my phone from O2 in the UK, where can I get the correct firmware? samfirmware has loads but how do I know which one I need?
Thanks in advance!

Sounds like a hardware issue. Did it ever get rained on or something? Do you use a screen protector?
You might want to edit the topic title, although it is quite funny. Read it and think a bit.

ROFLMAO
That is by far the funniest thread title I've seen on here yet
It does sound like a hardware issue though.

Hehe....nice title
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FuryriderX said:
Sounds like a hardware issue. Did it ever get rained on or something? Do you use a screen protector?
You might want to edit the topic title, although it is quite funny. Read it and think a bit.
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simply THE BEST title so far!!!! cant stop laughing here!!!!.....sorry

Yeah I agree with the person who suggested it was a hardware issue. Always worth getting someone to check it out for you

Tell it to stop or it will go blind.

let him touching if it gives him pleasure.

Hahahahahahahahaaaa!!!!
UnsecWifi said:
Tell it to stop or it will go blind.
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is it happening only while phone is being charged or all the time?

FuryriderX said:
Sounds like a hardware issue. Did it ever get rained on or something? Do you use a screen protector?
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No water damage or anything. I do use a screen protector but it looks flawless in the affected corner

rizzy123 said:
is it happening only while phone is being charged or all the time?
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It happens at random. Sometimes it works fine. Not related to being plugged in though

I know someone that had the same issue, though it was with the Vibrant (not i9000m). He sent it to samsung, but it still has the same problem, though not as frequent. I haven't seen him in a while so I'm not sure if he ever got it resolved...

sixshot84 said:
No water damage or anything. I do use a screen protector but it looks flawless in the affected corner
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Just to eliminate all possible outside influences, take the protector off and clean the screen really well - and see if it still does it. If it does, then bring it in and try your best to be convincing

FuryriderX said:
Just to eliminate all possible outside influences, take the protector off and clean the screen really well - and see if it still does it. If it does, then bring it in and try your best to be convincing
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I'll see how it goes with the protector off. I think my screen is failing though as now on occassion the screen will completely freeze and I have to put it to sleep and wait a few minutes for it to start working again.
Can anyone point me in the direction of carrier specific stock firmwares? I can only find stock android ones.
Thanks,

UnsecWifi said:
Tell it to stop or it will go blind.
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this is so true

I've had the same problem. Unlocked SGS on Orange UK. The problem was on/off for a while but eventually got so bad I couldn't use the phone, removing screen protector made no difference.
I stuck an old Froyo build on and took it into carphonewarehouse, they sent it off and it was fixed in their repair centre. No problems since and that was 4 months ago.
Not sure how you would go about getting the operators rom on there but I'm sure you can mess around with Kies to get it to download the one you want.

sixshot84 said:
Can anyone point me in the direction of carrier specific stock firmwares? I can only find stock android ones.
Thanks,
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Try samfirmware.com, down at the botton of the GT I9000 firmwares are the provider's ones.

beardedwonder said:
I've had the same problem. Unlocked SGS on Orange UK. The problem was on/off for a while but eventually got so bad I couldn't use the phone, removing screen protector made no difference.
I stuck an old Froyo build on and took it into carphonewarehouse, they sent it off and it was fixed in their repair centre. No problems since and that was 4 months ago.
Not sure how you would go about getting the operators rom on there but I'm sure you can mess around with Kies to get it to download the one you want.
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Think that's what I'll have to do then. Hadn't thought of using Kies, thanks for that. I'll whack a stock 2.1 rom on there and see if it will update to 2.2 through kies.

DMD9 said:
Try samfirmware.com, down at the botton of the GT I9000 firmwares are the provider's ones.
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Thanks, it's a bit unclear which one is what. I'll look into it a bit more.
P.S. how does the multi-quote work on here. When I select the threads I want to quote and press post reply nothing happens

Multitouch test

I've always noticed that sometimes I misclick things when I'm browsing on the Focus.. but it wasn't until today that I tested it out using the Multi Touch test through Diagnosis.
When I touch some spot, it seems to go a bit to the left and up.
Is there a way to fix this?
Thanks.

asdfvtn said:
I've always noticed that sometimes I misclick things when I'm browsing on the Focus.. but it wasn't until today that I tested it out using the Multi Touch test through Diagnosis.
When I touch some spot, it seems to go a bit to the left and up.
Is there a way to fix this?
Thanks.
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Afaik, no. And MS says no. It might be just you pressing differently (hopefully). If not, this is a warranty issue.

Thanks for the answer, guess I'll have to live with it or something. I bought this phone off somebody and I don't have the receipt.. which still technically shouldn't matter, since this phone hasn't even been out for a year, meaning it should still be under warranty. Any idea how it would work?

asdfvtn said:
Thanks for the answer, guess I'll have to live with it or something. I bought this phone off somebody and I don't have the receipt.. which still technically shouldn't matter, since this phone hasn't even been out for a year, meaning it should still be under warranty. Any idea how it would work?
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Unfortunately, no, as I live in EU and I have a Focus bought in US I hope I won't have to find out
Technically, it should work. You can try and go in an AT&T store and just say you have this issue with the phone, and yes, you're the owner. See then what they ask.