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Great phone but needs serious update...

hi all.
I have this phone 3rd day now and here are issues I discovered while using it.
It is a great phone,but needs serious update from guys in HTC.
-Navigation feature is utterly useless.it is so damn slow.in compass mode it is showing wrong direction.also I miss footprints implementation with Google maps.I know,you can open certain footprint in GM but I meant full support.this is only my suggestion but all in all navigation app is horrible and I think once used,it slows the DHD down.
-Sometimes it lags like hell.at least for me.I have installed only apps I've used before on old Desire and there I had no problems with slowdowns or lag.I am using app from market called "SystemPanel".basically it shows all your phone activities an running processes.it can also monitor phone performance over time.this app is showing that every time I wake up DHD CPU usage rises to 100% and stays there until I switch screen back off.then it drops to almost nothing.unfortunately it doesn't show which processes are using this much resources.this app always pointed me to the right direction when I was tracking down defective apps.i have already emailed the developer about this.it could be compatibility issue with this app and new DHD.it also shows that right after reboot almost 75% of RAM is in use.really?this phone has a huge RAM and if this is correct reading,than HTC did a lot of bad coding while making this new Soft.after some time of use my DHD becomes sluggish and lags a lot.I got rid of Samsung Galaxy S because of it's lag issue.I never had any similar problems on old Desire and it has much smaller RAM and was running on 2.1!
-Sync function is a bitt dogy as well.it takes ages to sync all the accounts and it took few attempts to sync with my Google account.I've seen someone posting about this,so I know I am not the only one with this problem.this brings me to all new
-htcsense.com.nothing seems to work right.at least for me.and this was one of the most highlighted features when this phone was announced.
-Camera software is not what I expected.I doubt it is hardware problem.it is just poorly programmed.in low-light conditions quality simply sucks.and I just don't understand why camcorder cannot work on higher frame rate.
-flash support is not that good too.If you select option in browser to "always use" after a while of browsing od flash sites phone gets so slow reboot is needed.after such a long time Adobe still cannot make proper mobile version.that is a fail by me especially when these days mobile devices are in almost everyone pocket and are widely used for web browsing.
That's about it.sorry that you had to read such long post,but that's my DHD experience so far.
My point is that guys un HTC software kitchen should sit down and fix this IMO rushed release and give as an proper update.until then this is great hardware being hold hostage by poor software.it is unacceptable for phone with such specs to be performing like this.
Come on HTC.we know you can do better.
Please share your experience too...

I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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Endr1 said:
I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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stock ROM is one solution.but i enjoyed HTC Sence on Desire.i hope they wil fix this one.
thx for confirming.at least i know i am not the only one with this problems.

I swapped out htc sense for launcherpro and also stopped all the syncing that htc sense requires like facebook for sense, twitter for sense, htc sense, stocks, news and weather.
I then set profiles within setcpu to allow for performance when the screen is on while scaling back the processor whilst the screen is off.
Installed spare parts and sped up some of the animations and bam! my desire hd is as fast as my nexus one was with CM6 with over-clocked kernel and all the lag has disappeared. I also have over 30 apps I have installed myself.
The problem with flash I'm sure will be fixed sometime, everyone is experiencing this slow down.

teihoata said:
I swapped out htc sense for launcherpro and also stopped all the syncing that htc sense requires like facebook for sense, twitter for sense, htc sense, stocks, news and weather.
I then set profiles within setcpu to allow for performance when the screen is on while scaling back the processor whilst the screen is off.
Installed spare parts and sped up some of the animations and bam! my desire hd is as fast as my nexus one was with CM6 with over-clocked kernel and all the lag has disappeared. I also have over 30 apps I have installed myself.
The problem with flash I'm sure will be fixed sometime, everyone is experiencing this slow down.
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i have purchased LauncherPro before.did not want to go down that road,but i think i will swap Sense for this launcher for a while to see how it performs.

Endr1 said:
I agree. I've gotvl the very same issue. I would really like to use stock android 2.2 like my old n1 waiting for a very necessary update
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Does the lagging also occur when your're running stock? Do you use a task killer?
My phone has no programs with lag!
Oops sorry my post was a question to the OP

Black1982 said:
Does the lagging also occur when your're running stock? Do you use a task killer?
My phone has no programs with lag!
Oops sorry my post was a question to the OP
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i don,t know what you mean by "running stock".
and no.i don't use any task killer.don't think it is needed in Froyo.

Ive found a lot of the slow down is from programs starting up and starting in the ram most I found from htc :/ I've used root and a auto memory manger (one that uses the system, not an app killer) and now my phone runs great next step is full root and a custom rom to fully cut out the bloat : D
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Have you people who are suffering from performance problems installed the OTA update? It was supposed to fix some performance issues IIRC. My DHD is blazingly fast and i have around 100 apps installed. I run SystemPanel too and haven't seen any high cpu use.
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Unfortunately I have to agree as well. Lags the whole time, ages to load the picture gallery with about 200 photos. But the worst thing, it is not supporting ActiveSync with Exchange 2010, for me incredible! I feel like on HD2 at the beginning, great hardware but bad software. On DHD I was sure that the software must be better but it is disappointing. I never had such lags on the HD2 even with the worst ROMs. I am also a bit diasappointed from the home screen. On HD2 with Co0kie home tab I had a lot of more information as I have now. The Market, for me the biggest improvement, is not really working since the begining, needs 20 retry to download a 1 MB app. I am sure HTC will fix most of the software problems but currently it is disappointing.

Antlink said:
Ive found a lot of the slow down is from programs starting up and starting in the ram most I found from htc :/ I've used root and a auto memory manger (one that uses the system, not an app killer) and now my phone runs great next step is full root and a custom rom to fully cut out the bloat : D
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i will give this a go.
it is a shame that in the end i have to get rid of HTC software.i know some may not agree with me but i like HTC's software.i loved what they did since i had my old Touch Pro.Manila made that phone different from others that time and ever since i was buying HTC phones for their innovative approach.i cannot believe they screwed up so much this time.but i've seen them fixing their mistakes before so i still have hope.

berek9999 said:
Have you people who are suffering from performance problems installed the OTA update? It was supposed to fix some performance issues IIRC. My DHD is blazingly fast and i have around 100 apps installed. I run SystemPanel too and haven't seen any high cpu use.
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yes.i applied OTA as a first thing after first boot.before i set up any account sync or installed any software.
EDIT: I got DHD after the OTA was released.

polystirenman said:
i don,t know what you mean by "running stock".
and no.i don't use any task killer.don't think it is needed in Froyo.
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I meant "out of the box" I'm asking because you seem to point to the HTC software as the culprit for your lag problems, but it is not so clear to me why you come to this conclusion. I also use CPU monitoring aps, and my CPU load is mostly 0%. So how do you know it's not another app? Did you do a reboot? what happened after that.
I know it is not needed to run a Task killer, but it could be the reason for your lag, that's why I asked.

Maybe it needs gingerbread
Having said that, there is already report gingerbread will be out (on at least one handset) on 8th Nov. I m not convinced HTC will update DHD to Gingerbread for at least a few month given their track record with the past model. There will probably be only 1 update for the life time of DHD.

Is launcher pro a valid alternative to the sense? I mean will use more power and drain my battery faster? To use the memory manager should you get root? With Paul's visionary?
I am not giving up on sense just yet but I would like to know if there are alternatives...
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Black1982 said:
I meant "out of the box" I'm asking because you seem to point to the HTC software as the culprit for your lag problems, but it is not so clear to me why you come to this conclusion. I also use CPU monitoring aps, and my CPU load is mostly 0%. So how do you know it's not another app? Did you do a reboot? what happened after that.
I know it is not needed to run a Task killer, but it could be the reason for your lag, that's why I asked.
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well i noticed this after a few first hours of using DHD.that was before and after i added 3rd party software.the main reasons why i think that the cause of this lag is HTC software are...
-after a while of using Navigation app phone started to lag
-if i add navigation widget and then i navigate to that page on the home screen there is almost instant lag.
-it is not only Navigation app but some others too.like friend stream,htc peep etc.this apps worked fine on old Desire.i was using them on daily basis so i am sure.
-almost every other non HTC app i use runs smooth.
-when i sync my Gmail only,it is just fine.but if i use HTC sync all widget it is just painfully slow and it is slowing down the whole phone.
can you please recommend me an CPU monitor app you are using?so i can check my DHD with it.

Market is down.
The app is system panel and costs 3$.
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Endr1 said:
Market is down.
The app is system panel and costs 3$.
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i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...

polystirenman said:
i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...
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SystemPanel works fine for me and usually shows < 10% cpu. Maybe you have something installed that's not fully compatible with the new Sense that is causing the problem? It seems there is a genuine problem here with quite a few people reporting it. The difficult bit is working out what it is of course since it's not affecting everyone.
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polystirenman said:
i stated in my first post that this is an app i am using to monitor my phone.
problem is,it is showing me constant 100% CPU usage while phone is on but it doesn't show which app is responsible for this being such i high value.SystemPanel always worked without a problem for me and i always found defective apps with it.but in this case i have no idea how to track it down.SystemPanel simply doesn't see it or registering it.confused here a bit...
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Try OSmonitor, in settings you can set it to show processes according to CPU load etc. I also use that app for looking at differnt logs eg. battery logs.
Perhaps you can also try SeePU for showing CPU and RAM usage in your notification bar! I like that I can see what's going on!
I'm trying to replicate yor problems using Navigation and Friendstream, but it doesn't slow down. You didn't install the youtube update by any chance?

Competition for Galaxy S II users: what annoys you most?

Competition: how many times can you lock the screen with one hand without pressing the volume button!
Winner gets a 4-am wake-up call when the battery is recharged.
The second place gets an e-mail written by my pants when the screen-lock fails to turn on, following a headset call.
Third place will get a special mod that allows you to start your audiobook player with the headset button with the screen-lock on, and the screen off (a usefull feature when your hands are not free).
Just kidding, there is no such mod, the third place gets nothing.

What annoys me the most? Appart from pressing volume button while locking screen, its the fact that all my callers are complaining that they hear echo... going to exchange the phone today...
Non of the other things bothers me... I usually sleep very hard, so 4am wakeup tone that my phone is being fully charged cannot wake me up neither my girlfriend was complaining...

I had nothing to report as nothing annoyed me till today unless when I plugged my Headphone and made a call. The Volume in a call through the headphone at even maximum level is pathetically low.But that is not the case with Earpiece or Bluetooth headset.
Regards.

What I hate about the device?Well,I wanted to buy a Tegra 2 tablet.After buying the GS2 everything else seemed slow.

Noons and people with no life being able to make threads
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tolis626 said:
What I hate about the device?Well,I wanted to buy a Tegra 2 tablet.After buying the GS2 everything else seemed slow.
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+ 10000
I can't use my x10 anymore without being pissed
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1. I can live with 1,5 second delay when waking up phone, but home button lag is killing me. I know, this ks because of voice command "feature", but what about users like me who will never "talk" to their phones (unless being completely drunk)?
2. The famous game freezes. I bought this phone mainly for gaming, but they are simply freezing or crashing to home screen. On all (official) currently available firmware versions. Thanks to LitePro, now i can play with no problems.
I had few more very annoying problems, but thanks again to LitePro who ironed them out. Also i had to delete most of notification sounds. No need to explain why
I know, my first impresions with this phone wasn't very good and i said some bad words, but thanks to this great community - i love my SGS2 now
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Lol i have never heard this fully charged sound. *g*
But the batterie drain is really heavy. Maybe i buy an extended akku.
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gergohad said:
Competition: how many times can you lock the screen with one hand without pressing the volume button!
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Every single time (see attached).
The thing that annoys me most is the same thing that annoyed me about the HD2.... whining users that complain about utterly ridiculous things on xda, opening a new thread every time they come up with some vague idea of something their phone can't do. If you want a cup of tea, BUY A TEASMAID!!!

i never hit the volume button yet i use the physical lock button
Matter of handling I suppose .oO(you're not handling it right! xD)
What annoys me is the lack of 2.3.4 update (not that I need much from it, but it feels like they're not working on it as much as on the I9000) and the lack of proper source (everyone uses the binary kernel cause the source one isnt as stable even after padding)
oh and the reason why they've hidden hw accelerated disk encryption, or the lack thereof

The fact that Driving Mode randomly turns itself on, leading to excruciating embarrassment when an incoming text or email is read out at full volume in a public place.

the wifi sharing battery drain that starts randomnly...

Lazy gits that whine and ask about the yellow triangle without even searching the threads

The stock email app, which is the only free one which works with exchange doesn't request the keyboard to bring up the spelling suggestion list - so only the samsung keyboard works with this, or using perfect keyboard and having it turned on permanently.
The stock music app hasn't been thought out well enough in that it allows you to access music bypassing the library list. This of course means using the back button never returns you to this list and they never thought to put a link in the menu to get to the music library (such a simple fix!) - solved that with player pro though
Stock SMS app not allowing you to scroll up through the messages you are replying to whilst you are replying - of course handcent gets around that.
Touchwiz launcher - can't set a different home screen, folders created in the app drawer and then dragged onto one of the home screens are now 2 seperate folders, rather than a hard link - meaning you update one, and the other also needs updating.... Thanks to Go Launcher Ex this is no longer an issue.
Tbh hardware wise it's spot on - it's just that Samsung seem to have rushed the software out.

intruda119 said:
Noons and people with no life being able to make threads
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I found a fix for you problem: don't read those threads and don't post replies...
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What annoys me the most? The fact that I bought this phone expecting a huge improvement on battery life compared to my old phones. I'm annoyed at myself for being this naive.

gergohad said:
I found a fix for you problem: don't read those threads and don't post replies...
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That doesn't fix the problem of the forums becoming diluted with repeated requests. You've just suggested ignoring the problem.

i am "annoyed that wifi-sharing" eats 15% of my battery (but i still make it trough the day without problems.
i never pressed the volume button while lokcing the phone and i have never ever heard a charged noise oO

johncmolyneux said:
That doesn't fix the problem of the forums becoming diluted with repeated requests. You've just suggested ignoring the problem.
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What requests? Nobody is requesting anything buddy. We're discussing things about the phone that annoy us. If you dont like this topic, try another one.
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What annoys me the most is that this phone is so nice,i can hardly seperate myself from it.
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potrait in 3.2!

i just found that launcher in 3.2 is now as smooth s butter when running at potrait mode. browser speed is also increased slightly. great news to xoom owners

Yeap, in portrait is working really smooth now, I did not use the browser jet... hahahaha
Just one thing, when you change from portrait to landscape or otherwise it still takes some time to adapt, a few seconds but after that... it goes really smooth....
I did tried some mkv files, but they did not work fine for me... I have seen other users that tried them and work fine for them.. I do not know why...

What about upside down? It used to lag badly upside down.
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thats weird my xoom doesn't lag when upside down...I do it often took....well only when I'm charging and am using a dock

binglut9 said:
thats weird my xoom doesn't lag when upside down...I do it often took....well only when I'm charging and am using a dock
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Its typically on desktop during screen rotation. I know I'm not the only one whose experienced it, I've seen it mentioned a few times before. Its really odd because being upside down should be no different, at least I assume.
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sirius b said:
Its typically on desktop during screen rotation. I know I'm not the only one whose experienced it, I've seen it mentioned a few times before. Its really odd because being upside down should be no different, at least I assume.
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You're definitely not the only one. It was a known issue. Happy to say it's fixed now. Though there's a part of me that still wonders how an issue like that ever made it into a major release in the first place.

i think it turns ALOT faster now. Like, I dont mind turning it because it barely takes time anymore.

hatworthy said:
You're definitely not the only one. It was a known issue. Happy to say it's fixed now. Though there's a part of me that still wonders how an issue like that ever made it into a major release in the first place.
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Good to hear, and you and me both wonder that, not only an official release but multiples, from 3.0 through 3.1.
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Thanks for reporting this. It was the only thing I was scanning all the 3.2 posts for, and no one else had chimed in on the matter quite yet.

hatworthy said:
You're definitely not the only one. It was a known issue. Happy to say it's fixed now. Though there's a part of me that still wonders how an issue like that ever made it into a major release in the first place.
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It was explained at Google I/O I think. Basically Tegra 2 couldn't handle rotation, so they were forced to do it in software. They've probably come up with some clever tricks to optimize things since then, thus the boost in performance.

i still get lag in launcher at portrait mode. not as bad as before, but still lagging.
On the other hand, its very smooth upside down.
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yeah now that I've installed 3.2 I don't see much of a difference at all. Still too laggy for me.

how about trying few times of reboot? cause mine really as smooth as butter now.. removed adw too

Lag in Dialer/Contacts

I know this issue has been discussed several times in various threads but I'd like to give it its own thread so we can highlight the significance of the problem.
Before I start I'd like to point out that my last observation is based in Stock LJ4, and before that I've used several ROMs, both stock and custom and this issue, exists in all of them.
Issue:
3-4 seconds lag when opening dialer or contacts.
Now some might argue that once it opens, the subsequent times its quite instant, but that's due to it being in memory. BUT use the phone as normal for some other activities and come back to dialer/contacts and your greeted with the lag again.
This is supremely frustrating and unacceptable for a flagship with a frickin Quad Core processor! These are basics! Phone, Contacts, Messaging, Email are the core activities of any phone and if that isn't instantaneous then they've lost the point in my books.
What's worse is that all other (more heavy) apps open very quickly and operate really fast so I can't understand how Samsung can screw something so basic up.
Please voice your concerns here, this needs to be addressed.
Ps: one immediate solution where the developers can help is to hack the stock apps and keep them in memory always.
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There is already a mod that's been out for a while located here that is supposed to keep Phone/Contacts in memory (along with other multitasking tweaks).
From that thread:
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In addition app phone, contacts and camera are locked in memory to make these faster to run.
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henrybravo said:
There is already a mod that's been out for a while located here that is supposed to keep Phone/Contacts in memory (along with other multitasking tweaks).
From that thread:
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Thanks for linking that, though I'm not interested in modifying the core in a major way, just locking the phone and Contacts in memory
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tanseerj said:
I know this issue has been discussed several times in various threads but I'd like to give it its own thread so we can highlight the significance of the problem.
Before I start I'd like to point out that my last observation is based in Stock LJ4, and before that I've used several ROMs, both stock and custom and this issue, exists in all of them.
Issue:
3-4 seconds lag when opening dialer or contacts.
Now some might argue that once it opens, the subsequent times its quite instant, but that's due to it being in memory. BUT use the phone as normal for some other activities and come back to dialer/contacts and your greeted with the lag again.
This is supremely frustrating and unacceptable for a flagship with a frickin Quad Core processor! These are basics! Phone, Contacts, Messaging, Email are the core activities of any phone and if that isn't instantaneous then they've lost the point in my books.
What's worse is that all other (more heavy) apps open very quickly and operate really fast so I can't understand how Samsung can screw something so basic up.
Please voice your concerns here, this needs to be addressed.
Ps: one immediate solution where the developers can help is to hack the stock apps and keep them in memory always.
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Thanks for opening this thread, i don't want a mod for every silly thing we expect Sammy should have done as a basic aspect of making phones... Mods are good im not against it, but for this issue i expect Sammy to resolve.... I mean come on... Sammy should know this before hand and should have fixed long back.... I hate them for this...
Thanks again for the guy who opened this thread...! Hopefully Samsung reads this...!
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tanseerj said:
Thanks for linking that, though I'm not interested in modifying the core in a major way, just locking the phone and Contacts in memory
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You could probably PM the OP of that thread, asking him how to tweak his init.d script to only lock the Phone and Contacts in memory, leaving out all the other tweaks.

henrybravo said:
You could probably PM the OP of that thread, asking him how to tweak his init.d script to only lock the Phone and Contacts in memory, leaving out all the other tweaks.
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I probably will, but as the poster above me says, the point of this thread is that Samsung should not be expecting us to fix all these basic things. And 95% of the public will have no clue how to either.
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well based on how many Galaxy S devices they've sold, they probably assume that the general consumer does not care or simply does not notice it.

I care and i notice. Who cares about the general consumer.
That is why i use DW phone and contacts.
Super smooth and fast with lots of customization. I recommend it to all
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tanseerj said:
I know this issue has been discussed several times in various threads but I'd like to give it its own thread so we can highlight the significance of the problem.
Before I start I'd like to point out that my last observation is based in Stock LJ4, and before that I've used several ROMs, both stock and custom and this issue, exists in all of them.
Issue:
3-4 seconds lag when opening dialer or contacts.
Now some might argue that once it opens, the subsequent times its quite instant, but that's due to it being in memory. BUT use the phone as normal for some other activities and come back to dialer/contacts and your greeted with the lag again.
This is supremely frustrating and unacceptable for a flagship with a frickin Quad Core processor! These are basics! Phone, Contacts, Messaging, Email are the core activities of any phone and if that isn't instantaneous then they've lost the point in my books.
What's worse is that all other (more heavy) apps open very quickly and operate really fast so I can't understand how Samsung can screw something so basic up.
Please voice your concerns here, this needs to be addressed.
Ps: one immediate solution where the developers can help is to hack the stock apps and keep them in memory always.
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Using exdialer as a replacement. But yes, this is the and the redraw issue are my 2 biggest complaints from the beast. It's almost shameful when u are adding somebody to your phone book and the phone lags for a few seconds before you can open the contacts. :-\
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tanseerj said:
I probably will, but as the poster above me says, the point of this thread is that Samsung should not be expecting us to fix all these basic things. And 95% of the public will have no clue how to either.
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I agree, but I was just addressing the "PS" in your first post. .

Thanks for the thread. It is unacceptable that one of the most important functions is completely laggy. I hope Sammy read this voice and fix this sooner.
Btw, using exdialer in the meantime.
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At first, I thought that this delay is happening because the code is not properly optimized due to heavy modification to dialer and contact. But then I realize. What did they really modify? The only "touchwiz" touch to the contact app is the the swipe shortcuts; swipe to left for sending message, and swipe to right for calling (not sure which one is which because I'm now using my secondary rom LOL). I can't think of any for the dialer app. So why the hell did samsung managed the screw it up, right?
Another notable delay is in the lockscreen. But that's quite understandable. Samsung add too much features to their lockscreen, namely: Quick command to unlock, information ticker, Ripple effect, camera quick launch, etc.

Unfortunatelly it is not only the horrible lag at opening, it is more than this.
It looks like Dialer and contatcs samsung apps has been made by somebody who never has used a phone...
Look how they support t9 on dialer... It is absolutely inaceptable.
After a lot of firmware upates I have lost any hope in a fix coming from samsung and move to exDialer.
Just install it and you see what a dialer should be.
Shame on you, Samsung.

Maybe this thread should be named "discussion for Samsung core apps" or something. Then we can all discuss everything in the stock rom: like dialer, contact, messaging, and lockscreen.

This MOD fixed my contact lag in certain way.Feeling much better after lag in contact in all jelly bean rom.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1888081
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stfudude said:
Maybe this thread should be named "discussion for Samsung core apps" or something. Then we can all discuss everything in the stock rom: like dialer, contact, messaging, and lockscreen.
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I think the General thread has been very limited while JB was in launch proccess, doing dificult to concentrate in particular problems.
Now that JB is the "default" firmware and that the General thread is more open to new discussion, I think it is better to keep that as specific as possible and open a threat for each problem we find.
As I told in my previous post, I don't has any hope in getting a fix from Samsung, but maybe if we get here enough complaints one Samsung Corp. developer read this, install exDialer, feel ashamed and learn something for the future...

That multitask fix just made my phone go slow and whenever people have lags in roms, the rom devs tell them to uninstall the multitask fix (if they included it in their rom). Ex Dialer is the way to go anyways. Always in memory, always smooth.

Totally agree....the other day a friend of mine who had an iphone wanted to use my phone for a call....and i cant express how that stupid lag had him looking at me amazed for those 3-4 seconds knowing he uses an iphone 3g....since then ive been using ex dialer....but its really frustrating for a phone marketed as being of a top notch performance.....

Yes, when I bought my S3 coming from a 3 y.o. WinMo phone I was REALLY surprised on such a big delay to open Phone/Contacs and also to switch between KeyPad and Contacs even after both are in memory.
Only thing to do was to switch to a 3rd party dealer (xPhonePro in my case, as it has the better options for displaying call logs).
I really don't understand how the most of the S3 users don't complain about this (when I stated my problem in some ROMs thread, 90% of the people seemed surprised I considered it a problem).
Also, as I use the phone to check the time at regular intervals, the 1-2 seconds delay to turn on the screen was really killing me.
Here the only way was yet another 3rd party app to keep the CPU always awake (of course more battery usage too, but during the working time I really need my phone to wake up instantly).
Those 2 big (imho) problems, keep me from considering the Note II as a gift for my dad... as I heard it is effected too.

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Yes, when I bought my S3 coming from a 3 y.o. WinMo phone I was REALLY surprised on such a big delay to open Phone/Contacs and also to switch between KeyPad and Contacs even after both are in memory.
Only thing to do was to switch to a 3rd party dealer (xPhonePro in my case, as it has the better options for displaying call logs).
I really don't understand how the most of the S3 users don't complain about this (when I stated my problem in some ROMs thread, 90% of the people seemed surprised I considered it a problem).
Also, as I use the phone to check the time at regular intervals, the 1-2 seconds delay to turn on the screen was really killing me.
Here the only way was yet another 3rd party app to keep the CPU always awake (of course more battery usage too, but during the working time I really need my phone to wake up instantly).
Those 2 big (imho) problems, keep me from considering the Note II as a gift for my dad... as I heard it is effected too.
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To the bolded item: Simple. 90% of XDA people are geeks that don't use their phone to call. They use their phone for hacking and modding. I'm sure by now you must have read posts from someone that claimed they have achieved 4 days battery life (they even got screenshot as proof)? LOL
FYI, I have one friend that is no geek just a regular user. He did mentioned to me about this delay problem not too long ago. I think it's safe to say that majority of users think of this as a problem, but they don't know how to convey their complaints to world outside their realm of ignorance (i.e to XDA forum or to Samsung guys). XDA people as I mentioned before, obviously using their phones for something else. And they count for less than 50% of the total (ignorant) users out there.

[Q] Why are Nexus 10 handwriting apps always lagging?

So I just bought a nexus 10 and among the many reasons for getting one, I want to take notes with it. I've bought myself a nice stylus that works wonderfully on iPads and my galaxy nexus phone. However, writing with the same stylus and exact same apps on my nexus 10 isn't working as one would hope. It seems to lag quite badly in picking up where my stylus is and this forces me to write very slowly so that it will pick up all of my strokes, thus making it pretty much useless in a classroom setting, but, like I said before, I don't see this at all with my galaxy nexus.
So, why am I seeing such a huge difference in performance between these two devices when (I assume) the nexus 10 would be so much more powerful than my phone? Is it the apps or the hardware? And how do I fix this issue without just writing my own note taking app?

I faced no problems working on freenote/ handwriting or myscript calculator ?? I might loook at the stylus and not the N10

devilcaeser2010 said:
I faced no problems working on freenote/ handwriting or myscript calculator ?? I might loook at the stylus and not the N10
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But I've seen this issue regardless of the stylus used... Even with my finger I see a lag.
I also tried free note on my phone and tablet and am seeing a lag only on the nexus 10. I seriously doubt that it's the stylus, it seems to be isolated to my device...though, I haven't tried this with any other nexus 10 device. I don't know anyone else who has one.
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a wild guess could be that the app aren't optimized for the high resolution screen and that is why they have trouble keeping up.
I haven't tried it myself yet but I will when I get my Nexus next week

mbeltoft said:
a wild guess could be that the app aren't optimized for the high resolution screen and that is why they have trouble keeping up.
I haven't tried it myself yet but I will when I get my Nexus next week
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That's my best guess so far as well. Thanks in advance for trying this out
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Are you on stock? Or did you root and install a custom ROM? what about a custom kernel?
I have found some ROMs to have far more input lag than others, so that is why I am wondering.

EniGmA1987 said:
Are you on stock? Or did you root and install a custom ROM? what about a custom kernel?
I have found some ROMs to have far more input lag than others, so that is why I am wondering.
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I'm on stock everything. I am using Apex Launcher though.

Well stock should be ok. I see the most input lag with custom roms that do a lot to the framework and launcher, such as Paranoid Android.

Did you verify http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36855724&postcount=20

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Did you verify http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36855724&postcount=20
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I actually already saw that thread but thank you for pointing it out.
I haven't touched the Dev options and wouldn't even know how to change the magnification. I've only had the device for about a week or two and haven't had any time to really get playing with it yet.

I use lecturenotes from the play store, haven't had much of a lag issue
Using latest AOKP PUB build and Ktmanta
Also have force 2d GPU rendering on dev options
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jrod091 said:
I use lecturenotes from the play store, haven't had much of a lag issue
Using latest AOKP PUB build and Ktmanta
Also have force 2d GPU rendering on dev options
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Just tried this with both lecture notes and free note (free note had less lag of the two from what I could tell)... It did improve the lag quite a bit, but I'm still seeing a noticeable and significant enough (in my opinion) lag. Seems that one step has been taken... Anybody got any others?
Also, I tried using Seeder but saw no significant difference on my device.
FYI, I'm now rooted but still using stock ROM/kernel.

bsara said:
Just tried this with both lecture notes and free note (free note had less lag of the two from what I could tell)... It did improve the lag quite a bit, but I'm still seeing a noticeable and significant enough (in my opinion) lag. Seems that one step has been taken... Anybody got any others?
Also, I tried using Seeder but saw no significant difference on my device.
FYI, I'm now rooted but still using stock ROM/kernel.
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Sorry about that, my lag seems very minimal, I've been taking notes in class all semester and it sends I've been able to take them quicker in my n10 then on paper, lol
I'm rooted running AOKP PUB 2/11 wit KTManta kernel (this setup, along with sine customizations to the kernel, have made my tablet really responsive and smooth)
Edit: I guess I don't remember what I had previously written, lol my bad
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I'm still having this problem on stock 4.2.2 (as well as the latest CM nightly), and was wondering if anyone had any fixes. My Jot Classic works okay, but not well enough for any serious note-taking, and considerably slower than the same app/stylus on my nexus 4 and 7. My main issue is that it isn't sensitive enough to write small exponents and subscripts.

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I'm still having this problem on stock 4.2.2 (as well as the latest CM nightly), and was wondering if anyone had any fixes. My Jot Classic works okay, but not well enough for any serious note-taking, and considerably slower than the same app/stylus on my nexus 4 and 7. My main issue is that it isn't sensitive enough to write small exponents and subscripts.
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Do you have force GPU rendering on in developer options? If so, turn that off, it got rid if my lag on lecturenotes after the 4.2.2 update
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Today, I finally got my Nexus 10 and I started to investigate this ominous delay or lag. I indeed observe this lag on my Nexus 10 in LectureNotes and all other handwriting apps that I tested. As far as LectureNotes is concerned, I did a number of careful timing measurements and I think I can definitely exclude that the delay is due to slow drawing or anything like that. It seems that, on a Nexus 10, Android sends input events with a noticeable delay of around 250ms or so if they origin from touching the display, this is why a drawn line lags behind your stylus or finger. However, the delay is absent if you use a mouse (connected via Bluetooth), and hence there is no lag and the line follows the mouse pointer very closely. This is somewhat bad news, as this means that this problem cannot be solved within LectureNotes.

acadoid said:
Today, I finally got my Nexus 10 and I started to investigate this ominous delay or lag. I indeed observe this lag on my Nexus 10 in LectureNotes and all other handwriting apps that I tested. As far as LectureNotes is concerned, I did a number of careful timing measurements and I think I can definitely exclude that the delay is due to slow drawing or anything like that. It seems that, on a Nexus 10, Android sends input events with a noticeable delay of around 250ms or so if they origin from touching the display, this is why a drawn line lags behind your stylus or finger. However, the delay is absent if you use a mouse (connected via Bluetooth), and hence there is no lag and the line follows the mouse pointer very closely. This is somewhat bad news, as this means that this problem cannot be solved within LectureNotes.
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If that is the case, could the input delay be tweaked or removed through kernel modifications?

@EniGmA1987: If my explanation is correct and if one can modify the input handling, this might be possible. It seems that users with non-stock ROMS do not suffer from this problem, but this is just my impression based on contacts with LectureNotes' users and might be wrong.

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@EniGmA1987: If my explanation is correct and if one can modify the input handling, this might be possible. It seems that users with non-stock ROMS do not suffer from this problem, but this is just my impression based on contacts with LectureNotes' users and might be wrong.
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Hey, I'm one of the people that has contacted you, and I can say that the input lag is significantly less on a custom ROM then on stock. Still there, but very slight
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acadoid said:
Today, I finally got my Nexus 10 and I started to investigate this ominous delay or lag. I indeed observe this lag on my Nexus 10 in LectureNotes and all other handwriting apps that I tested. As far as LectureNotes is concerned, I did a number of careful timing measurements and I think I can definitely exclude that the delay is due to slow drawing or anything like that. It seems that, on a Nexus 10, Android sends input events with a noticeable delay of around 250ms or so if they origin from touching the display, this is why a drawn line lags behind your stylus or finger. However, the delay is absent if you use a mouse (connected via Bluetooth), and hence there is no lag and the line follows the mouse pointer very closely. This is somewhat bad news, as this means that this problem cannot be solved within LectureNotes.
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Sorry for not being more involved in this thread...been really busy lately.
I feel that have solved this issue for my current configuration. I've found that with the following setup, any lag that may be occurring is so slight that I either don't notice or I don't mind it:
-Get a stylus that actually works well (I had accidentally bought the first generation of the Adonit Jot Pro which has horrible sensitivity. However, after obtaining the 2nd generation, I've had no problems at all... one of my biggest reasons behind the lag was this 1st generation stylus)
-Stock 4.2.2
-Run Seeder 2.0
-DON'T force GPU handling
-Using LectureNotes Pro
-Create all lecture notes notebooks with a much higher resolution than what is initially set as the default. (This is what made the biggest difference)
From what I've observed, it seems to me that the best explanation behind any significant lag on this device is its extremely high resolution. I assume that most handwriting apps are programmed in such a way that the increase in pixel count hinders the sensitivity of the app itself.