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Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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Here you go, now quit whining froyo
that looks so ****ing good.
Verizon is also a much larger company.
Yes, Moto/Verizon do a great job..
If they r not using CDMA, I will definitely use Verizon and choose Moto..
jayprime said:
Verizon just announced to today that Droid X is gonna be getting froyo on the 22nd of September. This really suck!!!! I need some froyo...
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you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
laristech said:
Verizon is also a much larger company.
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This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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Yes! This is so not right
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Tpavey said:
This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?
dan0zone said:
you mean the Droid x that was released before the vibrant is getting it first... I'm shocked...?....
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If I remember correctly, the Droid X, Vibrant, and Captivate had release dates that were within a week or two from each other.
Either way, it's pretty sad news to hear the Spain division of Samsung is now claiming the Froyo release to happen around "late October." I wonder what's really going to happen when late October rolls around...."late November?"
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/samsung-mobile-spain-pegs-galaxy-s-update-for-late-october/
Tpavey said:
This is why t-mobile should tell manufacturers they only want vanilla android phones. They would get updates faster AND they wouldn't need to modify them before release. It would bee cheaper for them and it would make customers happy.
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It would hardly make customers happy. If T-Mobile were to deny every handset with a custom UI, they would have what, 2 Android phones? Maybe 3 since 2008?
T-Mobile has been ragged on in the past for being the carrier that never steps up to the plate to offer the latest and greatest phones. They are now starting to come out of that with all of these new Android phones and eventually later this year, Windows Phone 7. Why would they regress?
I think he is just trying to say that if T-Mobile insisted that devices be loaded with Vanilla Android than we could get updates faster, not to deny any of the handsets, just tell Samsung, "Hey, our Galaxy S phone needs to be Vanilla Android, Thanks"
So we would still get the killer phones, but with Vanilla Android rather than a custom Android that needs further development after Vanilla is released. (The Plausibility as to the phone manufacturers actually saying "Okay, no problem!" is debatable but I do believe that is what he is getting at.)
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That's all fine and wonderful, but the Galaxy S wasn't Vanilla on any of the four major US carriers so that doesn't really matter here does it?
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Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
MacGuy2006 said:
Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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I've been seeing this opinion more and more and it makes me sad to think that the beautiful (yet idealistic) concept of Android is being corrupted. The OS being fragmented between devices and manufacturers bogging down amazing hardware with unnecessary crap has the potential to seriously harm Android imo.
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Actually, the Galaxy S OS has never been Vanila. It is modified and locked first by Samsung, then modified again at the behest of the US carriers.
It's basically a mess.
That's why it will take ages to update.
The whole Android open-source idea is being destroyed by both carriers and manufacturers, who modify it enough to be able to lock it and prevent software upgrades, so they can sell the next hardware version to the suckers.
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In the traditional sense, you are correct. However, Samsung has taken a different approach in regards to their Android offerings. I would hazard to say that it isn't actually "locked" by Samsung, as you put it. Maybe a little by T-Mobile.
However, Samsung has made it clear that they are supporting the development community. The source code for each US variant is available as a free download on their website. Rooting the device was intentionally left open by Samsung (although T-Mobile might lock it via updates). The carrier unlock codes are blatantly available on the device if you know where to look, and there is even an app that will give it to you for free with no effort. They have opened up multiple channels for support (Twitter, Facebook, phone, website) for it's users and even respond to development questions. I've even seen a couple of reports of Samsung support helping people out who have bricked devices.
In a sense, Samsung has become the most open Android handset manufacturer. Doesn't sound to me that Samsung has gone to great lengths to "lock" the Galaxy S out of development, as you put it.
I've read it a few times before about Froyo for the Vibrant not coming until the G2 is released, which isn't too far away. But then "rumor"(i know, rumors aren't always true), Samsung will release a Galaxy Slider phone and skip 2.2 for the Vibrant and push everyone to G2 or the new Galaxy phone.. I hope this isn't the case.
I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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monsta34 said:
I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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Two very different phones. G2 is going to be the next dev phone. Vanilla android. It will get the updates first. It will likely run MUCH faster than it's specs would indicate (see G1) because it will be optimized. Also, it has a keyboard.
Vibrant has a Samsung SAMOLED display and, currently, the fasted GPU out.
There may be fewer people who jump to the G2 from a Vibrant if it got Froyo now, but I cannot imagine it would impact those who don't have a Vibrant now. The majority of users really couldn't tell the difference, and many T-mobile sales reps in the stores wouldn't be able to inform them. The 1% of the Android community that comes here doesn't mean anything to T-mobile especially since these are likely the same people who optimize their bills to pay the least amount possible.
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I think tmobile will release froyo after they see how the g2 does on the market... Because the vibrant is a beast without it, so just imagine what it will be like with it. The g2 might not do that great with vibrant running froyo... Imo
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I doubt it, I don't even think Tmobile know that difference between Eclair and Froyo, they will just be confused as to why we are talking about deserts..
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I thought I read that Google was removing the ability (or restricting?) to customize Gingerbread when they release it, basically unifying the device platform across the board so if you had 3.0 or greater, it was all the same vanilla android without custom carrier and/or device modifications. If that is the case, than obviously even Google has seen the butchery of their original concept and are looking to rectify it. (End User's would still be able to mod the hell out of it I'm sure, but they wouldn't allow device Manufacturers and carriers to modify the OS right from the get go).
I could be wrong, I have read a lot of stuff lately lol...
I'm thinking about buying the fascinate are there any froyo roms available?
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yea you can get one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838803
Hahahahahah. That's great
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yea you can get one here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=838803
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He is not only new to XDA, he is new to the Fascinate area. Maybe he should have searched first, but perhaps just saying no, see this thread, would have been a bit nicer.
Not to offend my fellow Fascinate users, but if I were buying soon and wanted Froyo, I would want someone to tell me to either suck it up, or hold out for something else.
Being a pessimist, I'd say that updates to this phone are being sat upon for commercial reasons. To sell more devices at the right timing. But that is likely bitterness for naively convincing myself that there'd be a major patch in November.
Being the eternal optimist that I am, HTC is due for a new android phone. They are blowing our the old incredibles, free in some cases. With luck whatever it is will launch in two months. It would undoubtedly have a more current OS than 2.1.
However, Eclair is in fact pretty nice. The biggest thing that would change for me is the ability to run a handful of updated apps.
Bottom line, no need to take it out on the new guy.
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way to turn a new guys question into a useless thread.
all variations of the galaxy devices have received updates to froyo in various parts of the world, however no galaxy device has seen the update yet in the USA. The majority of creditable websites list the fascinate, along with the other galaxy variants as a device very likely to receive the froyo update. However, nobody knows when that will be, for a long time everyone thought by the end of november, now they think by the end of december. Personally I would say youll probably see something by march, but thats just my own personal speculation.
With that said, people are less likely to help you out if you dont search first, as you can see haha
Like most ppl are saying on the forums, I also think that the froyo update in the usa is always delayed because of the carriers customization and bloatwares. And knowing verizon, we're probably going to be the last one to get the phone as we were also the last to get the phone.
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He's not new. Just new to google though.
Eclair is fine.
good day.
And the dog that is chopper makes an appearance.
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soba49 said:
Being a pessimist, I'd say that updates to this phone are being sat upon for commercial reasons. To sell more devices at the right timing. But that is likely bitterness for naively convincing myself that there'd be a major patch in November.
Being the eternal optimist that I am, HTC is due for a new android phone. They are blowing our the old incredibles, free in some cases. With luck whatever it is will launch in two months. It would undoubtedly have a more current OS than 2.1.
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lol, a pessimistic optimist?
Verizon is slow to test, they always have been, nothing new. They're gonna load their crap on it, you can bet on that (although there are rumors flying that 2.2 will debing the phone), but they gotta get it tested ok first.
I could see commercial reasons, in that they don't want to compete with the Droid line during the holiday season, being valid. They might have a better deal in place with the Droid branded phones as opposed to the non droid ones.
AndroidSpin and BGR are reporting that a reliable T-Mobile Source told them that there is a fully functioning 2.2 OTA for the T-Mobile Vibrant, but that Samsung is holding the OTA back. The report then says that Samsung fears that if the OTA is released then this would devalue the upcoming T-Mobile Vibrant 4G. (I would post a link, but I do not have 8 post. If someone could for me that would be great.) Now, I know that the hardware is different, but does anyone think that Samsung may be doing the same thing to us fascinate users considering that a new Samsung LTE phone is coming out soon? This would make sense condersidering the Telus fascinate got 2.2 before we did. Now again I know the hardware is different, but it doesn't make sense they would get it before us considering the fascinate has been out longer for us and that they are more of us. It would also explain the DL09 release. Samsung may just be trying to hold us over until they decide to release 2.2 once the LTE phone sales are up. This is just something to think about. I personally am just going to flash Kaos's 2.2 once the data works
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http://androidspin.com/2011/01/12/breaking-t-mobile-internals-confirm-samsung-is-holding-the-android-world-hostage/
Is there a new Vibrant-style Sammy coming to Verizon that might put us in the same boat as our T-Mobular comrads?
"SamsungMobileUS Samsung Mobile USA
We want Galaxy S owners to have simple/reliable upgrade. We r running tests due to complexity/unique functionality.
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SamsungMobileUS Samsung Mobile USA
We are working to make the Android 2.2/Froyo upgrade available to all U.S. Galaxy S owners as soon as possible.
4 Jan "
That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
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That is complete and total crap..... they shouldn't be holding back Froyo just to "improve" sales of the Vibrant 4g... the 4g should make enough incentive if someone really wants the 4g version of the phone. Also, isn't it a little early to be releasing a 4g phone when it is just now becoming available? I could be wrong!?!?!?
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T-Mobile has had their "4G" out for some time now. Not quite as long as Sprint, but it's been around for a few months at least.
Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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Seems totally non-bogus to me. If they already have working builds of froyo on the Galaxy Tab and 4G phones, which all contain pretty similar hardware, it's no doubt that Samsung has working froyo builds for the Fascinate.
It makes perfect sense in regards to their effed up strategy plan of continuing the release of updated phones but delaying software updates on already released ones. It's clear that these guys are holding back the 2.2 update on our device so that they can make more sales on the upcoming devices.
To be honest, it's not that my fascinate doesn't already do what I need it to do or gives me certain issues on its current software, but I just can't stay loyal to a company that continues to disregard their customers' concerns.
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My sentiments exactly. The question is, will this rumor affect their timetables? This whole thing is so political...
I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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I don't buy it. The draw of the new phones is 4G, or LTE, not the version of Android it's running. The fact that it's running 2.2 wouldn't sway someone to buy one phone over the other for the general consumer. And that is the market that matters most to the manufacturers. To the more advanced users it might make a difference, but they make up a very small percentage.
Doesn't hold weight in my opinion.
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Its a bullet point. Since Samsung did not opt to be part of the droid line on verizon, any additional bullet points adds to the selling factor of the phone. Sales people will use this to push people to the newer phones, saying things like "Its got the latest Android 2.2" or "It has the version of Android that supports flash". Its just in poor taste for Samsung to do this, and to me, its the same with Apple releasing the same iPhone for verizon that's been on at&t for 7 months or so now. I wouldn't get an iphone until after there announcement later this year, because since 2008, they have released a new iphone every year. Ok, sorry, I got off topic, but as you can see other companies do similar things just to sell more phones. Looking at all the companies with android smartphones, HTC and MOTO have done good jobs keep their android phones up to date. Samsung needs to step it up.
If said source is referring to JL5, there is a reason they are holding it back...its a piece of garbage.
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Count me as skeptical, the source seems contradicts himself, unless I'm misreading:
…Being that, Vibrant 4G and Vibrant have exactly same stats, added FFC and a new movie and the 4G. But i will tell you this, the original vibrant CAN utilize 4G FULLY. Yes FULLY. not what they are telling you.
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In a subsequent correspondence:
We have already put it out there that most of out devices would see a speed boost with the new network. Just the Vibrant will see a bit more. So I dont see why that is such a huge surprise to your readers. But not full 4G.
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Still, who knows. It wouldn't surprise me if they scheduled the update to be closer to the release date (VZW released 5.0 for the Storm 1 a day or two before the Storm 2 went on sale). If it does exist, and isn't a POS, it will probably get leaked.
I can see this, but it is stupid as the LTE feature alone should be enough to push people to upgrade. Additionally, those with Galaxy S phones have all had them for less than two years (typical upgrade timeframe). So how many people do they really think they can pursued to switch? Seems far more harmful to continue to piss off your existing user base who might consider later LTE phones at end of year or next when upgrade option is available.
I don't think they want to try and get people to switch. Its more for new sales. If the vibrant is sitting there for half the price (galaxy S phones are reaching the discounted portion of their lifespan) running nearly the same specs, minus the 4G, it will look pretty attractive to a decent chunck of consumers. If salesmen can say "this new one is faster and has a newer operating system" most people will think "new MUST be better" and blindly go for that.
Like someone else already said, it would just be a bullet point for salesmen.
from a business point of view, samsung did the right thing. Why fix what isn't broke, while making something in the future look much more desirable. They will make most of their money this way.
Honestly, the dev community is a very very VERY small portion of their clients. A couple thousand out of however many million phones they've sold... Most people are perfectly happy living in ignorance about all these damn desert names. ESPECIALLY now that they have a working GPS on the phone.
So why please a couple thousand, when they could be making millions on future phones?
Unfortunately for us, this blows! But they are a business. Businesses lie. ultimate goal is to make the dough...
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Just some more information. The Samsung LTE phone is suppose to hit Verizon in February. There are a few Samsung Galaxy S phones rumored to be getting froyo in March. This would leave a month for 3g galaxy s phones to still be on 2.1 while the new phones are on 2.2 or 2.3.
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I wouldn't count on a Feb release....
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So the samsung LTE is probably to complete with the Iphone release 2/10/2011?
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The ONLY LTE phone that would be able to meet a Feb 10th deadline would be the HTC Thunderbolt. And thats not even a for sure, BUT, its the only shot, if any.
I guarantee it will be out by Valentine's Day, not that anyone cares, except for me. But you have my word, nonetheless.
Two words:
Screw Samsung.
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Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
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Wtf does a Vibrant story have to do with us? Nothing.
Those guys have a zillion Froyo variants leaked anyway. Don't cry for them.
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It has a lot to do with us. If they have froyo held back, we have froyo held back.
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So, I'm due for an update soon and the Fascinate physically appears to be a perfect device for me. I've never had an Android before, but am very willing to get into rooting/hacking. That being said, I do like to keep relatively on top of updates and new technology/software... so my concern is the Fascinate getting updates.
From what I see, it appears that the Droid X, and for that matter, most of the Droid series gets a number of updates... prob more than expected. I mean, the Droid Eris even appeared to go way past it's initial version.
If Verizon tops out at LETS SAY 2.1 or they get 2.2 out eventually... is it worth getting this phone? I mean, am I better off painstakingly waiting for a similarly designed phoned to come out that we know will get updates? Or will the dev community support this phone enough to not need Verizon/Samsung's updates? And by that... I mean will we be able to get 2.2, 2.3.... through skillful community members?
Don't get one. Wait a few months for the dual core LTE phones to be released and stay away from Samsung.
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iTz Nicholas72 said:
Don't get one. Wait a few months for the dual core LTE phones to be released and stay away from Samsung.
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QFT. The Fascinate hardware is amazing, but its not worth it to waste an upgrade with so many great LTE phones coming so soon. HTC Thunderbolt, LG Revolution, Moto Droid Bionic, etc.
Yeah, the fascinate is a nice phone and, I am happy with it, but a bunch of new phones are coming out soon that are even better.
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Yeah, those look great... but I think it's worth nothing... I didn't plan on throwing down for a 4G/LTE data plan. I've never had a smartphone before (despite techy), and was perfectly happy with unlimited 3G.
Stay away from samsung, if you get one you will regret it in a few months when the kickass phones come out.
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I appreciate everyone's opinions, they do help... but I am concerned that everyone answering will be LTE adopters. I plan on going the $29.99 unlimited 3G data route, but do not plan on throwing down extra for LTE. Does that factor into this decision at all?
Buy it.. Our devs are rocking
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Hello I'm reading people talking about the new phones coming up, the lte, the 4g etc, my question is, with this nw phones will I have to pay the extra $10 for the 4g like sprint charges???? Cause in my area I don't think the 4g exist anyway I don't care about it thanks, hour hope you understand my question, my english no good
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Bwangster12 said:
I appreciate everyone's opinions, they do help... but I am concerned that everyone answering will be LTE adopters. I plan on going the $29.99 unlimited 3G data route, but do not plan on throwing down extra for LTE. Does that factor into this decision at all?
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I agree, the unlimited 3g is enough for me have wifi with 10mbpsspeed so I'm good.....
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I'm glad there appear to be a couple of people who understand my position.
I don't anticipate opting for LTE coverage, nor do I need it. I would assume these new LTE phones will work on both 3g and LTE, but am I forced to get an LTE plan if I get one of these phones? Also, I'd assume that these new phones will be higher than the $199 price point.
The slew of new phones won't be available for a couple months anyways, so if you're looking for something in the immediate future, the Fascinate has the best hardware available right now. OEM support is lacking, but our devs are making tremendous progress on porting 2.2 and 2.3
At this point, I don't think anyone knows what lte plans will cost or if they will be above and beyond a normal 3g plan. We can't even say they will be required yet. With so much unknown, and really much better phones on the way, the safe thing is to wait. Honestly, I can't see the fascinate getting more expensive.
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Despite the Froyo delays, i have been more than satisfied with this device. I also concur that our devs do indeed rock.
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iTz Nicholas72 said:
Don't get one. Wait a few months for the dual core LTE phones to be released and stay away from Samsung.
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"Few months"? Thanks to Apple, the first dual-core (Bionic) isn't coming until June.
LTE will be a mixed blessing.
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s44 said:
"Few months"? Thanks to Apple, the first dual-core (Bionic) isn't coming until June.
LTE will be a mixed blessing.
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I feel like a few months, coming soon, Q1 2011 and first half 2011... really all mean mid year. My upgrade is January 21st, and I don't really know if I wanna wait that long. I have patience, if its warranted... but is it worth it to wait for one of these recently announced phones if I don't plan on getting LTE?
My main concern is updates to Android. I don't want to get a phone that will cease to be supported because the manufacturer sees opportunity to make more money elsewhere. While I like the form factor of the Fascinate more than any other current Verizon phone, am I better off just getting a Droid X or Droid 2.
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I feel like a few months, coming soon, Q1 2011 and first half 2011... really all mean mid year. My upgrade is January 21st, and I don't really know if I wanna wait that long. I have patience, if its warranted... but is it worth it to wait for one of these recently announced phones if I don't plan on getting LTE?
My main concern is updates to Android. I don't want to get a phone that will cease to be supported because the manufacturer sees opportunity to make more money elsewhere. While I like the form factor of the Fascinate more than any other current Verizon phone, am I better off just getting a Droid X or Droid 2.
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Or an iPhone 4.
Unless you really against it like many here. Then DX D2G would better suit you.
Fascinate is really nice machine but lack of oem support. Unless you don't mind replacing it when or if something does happen to it while flashing dev version of froyo/gb then go ahead grab one.
Personally would suggest an iPhone to first time smartphone users. It has great support guaranteed updates annually. More solid user experience it has more and better apps compared to Android.
Despite many claims.
Non-jailbroken iPhone > unrooted Android device.
Jailbroken iPhone = rooted Android device.
I have nothing against Apple/IOS or Google/Android. Above is all based on personal experiences (iPhone 3/3GS. Droid 1/Fascinate). and by no means to start another Apple vs Android mouth fight.
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After owning this phone along with the moto droid and droid x and htc incredible and eris i would say get the iphone 4 its better.
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First an foremost, i understand where.yor coming from about the 4G. My opinion on the fascinate is that its an amazing phone. Best phone i've owned. I've had the x, the inc, the og droid, and iphones. I love this phone. Fast smooth. Camera is amazing. The only drawback os customer service and.the upgrades. But when you root samsungs customer service goes out the window anyways. And the rate our devs are going who needs verizons updates. Now the question is what devs will stay around when the new lte phones come out in the main factor. Cause without devs you wont have updates. Im staying with sf as long as the devs continue to work as hard as they are to produce these amazing updates. Just my two cents.
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First an foremost, i understand where.yor coming from about the 4G. My opinion on the fascinate is that its an amazing phone. Best phone i've owned. I've had the x, the inc, the og droid, and iphones. I love this phone. Fast smooth. Camera is amazing. The only drawback os customer service and.the upgrades. But when you root samsungs customer service goes out the window anyways. And the rate our devs are going who needs verizons updates. Now the question is what devs will stay around when the new lte phones come out in the main factor. Cause without devs you wont have updates. Im staying with sf as long as the devs continue to work as hard as they are to produce these amazing updates. Just my two cents.
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I see that this community is really churning out some great roms, in fact, I found XDA because of all the talk about it on other forums I frequent. That being said, I see A LOT of roms and kernels for 2.1 What is the typical timeframe for ports of newer Android versions? I've read other phones getting ported to 2.1, 2.2... without the carrier even releasing it. I know this phone has only been out since November, but are we on track for 2.2? Or at this point, is the dev community already behind.
I swear, that the main thing I'm looking for is supported updates. I know iOS has that, but other than that... I like everything about Android.
Seith Weintraub over at Fortune Magazine published a really great article today in response to Apple Fan Boy MG Siegler’s article about IOS updates. Now of course most of you know even though Mr. Paris Lemon is a deep mac boy we have a overall Tech Crunch Fans. However, MG or (Lemon if that’s what you prefer to call him) said that 90% of IOS users were on the most updated version of IOS and Android users, aboud .4% had a chance of being on the latest version. Seth, quick to help us out, pointed out that 90% of Android users are on 2.XX while 52% are on 2.2, yes we know that 2.3 is out now.
Everyone is also very aware of all the name calling, insult throwing, accusations and blowback Samsung is receiving because they are holding back an Android 2.2 upgrade on all 4 US major carrier Galaxy S devices just because they have the Samsung Vibrant 4G coming out in a few weeks on T-Mobile. That’s right the Verizon Fascinate, the Sprint Epic 4G and the AT&T Captivate are all being held back simply because of the T-Mobile device.. right? OF COURSE NOT!
Most of the other Galaxy S variants in every other country in the world have already received an upgrade to 2.2 via KIES or by way of an OTA through their carrier. The first thing we need to know in America is that Kies is not readily available to us. This is by way of the CARRIER and not Samsung.
The second thing you need to take into consideration, kind of like Android as a whole, is that a lot of the Samsung Galaxy S’ were acutally sold OUTSIDE of the United States. So to me the logic that Samsung only cares about the bottom line can be debated by the argument than why did all the other countries get the update quicker.
Hopefully you’re following me so far and the rest of this will just end up pissing people off.
- Many of the people whining about Samsung updates and bashing Samsung in general don’t own a Samsung phone. Or don’t use one on a regular basis. Remeber according to Andy Ruben we are activating 300,000 Android devices per day. A lot of those are for normal consumer people. The bulk of the readers of the tech blog readers, writers and community aren’t normal “consumers”. The normal consumers get upset when they start hearing about these updates through their tech savvy friends and then feel slighted.
- Most of the Samsung Galaxy S variants came with Android 2.1 in a modified form with touchwiz on top, couple that with the hardware (superAMOLED screen, 1ghz hummingbird processor) etc and the proprietary social hub, media hub etc, that actual normal consumers are taking advantage of you still have a pretty darn good, up to date device. We aren’t talking Sony Xperia here that released with 1.6 we’re talking about a version of 2.1 that was fancy schmancy at the time. Add to that the fact that both the Fascinate and the Epic 4G included Mobile Hotspot (one of the key features from 2.2) and what out of this world, oh my god my phone is so outdated, feature are the general public Samsung customers missing?
- The next thing we have to realize is the way America works. There is a lot more bureacracy from the government and carrier politics from our wireless carriers than most other countries. There is a lot of red tape for everything that happens in the wireless industry on the carrier/manufacturer side than any other country in the world. Take kies for instance if America had access to kies everyone with a Samsung Galaxy S phone would be upgraded.
Now take your active Android Evangelists, ones with a passionate heart and a vested interest in Android who actually own a Samsung Galaxy S phone. Your @theandroidgirl and @raywalters for instance, these people, among countless others who are on twitter and podcasts and were big enough believers to purchase a Samsung Galaxy S variant, and who may have partially based their decision on the fact that Samsung did say (at least at IFA) that we would see Froyo by the end of 2010, these people have legitimate complaints to the source.
Of course its also very disheartening that Samsung obviously has the source code for 2.3 as it’s running on the Nexus S today. And Gingerbread is a whole different issue.
For our followers on Samsung Galaxy S US Variants, we feel for you but have a challenge:
In the comments below, tell us what you are looking for out of Froyo that you aren’t getting out of the modified version of 2.1 that’s on your Galaxy S now?
Why should you do this? Take a trip over to samsung.com and you will see that thedroidguy is one of the twitter accounts featured on Samsung’s website. Trust me comments here will be seen by people that matter at Samsung. And for the record, even as someone who genuinely suports Samsung, we are very disappointed in this whole Samsung upgrade mess and definitely feel let down that US users didnt get a Froyo update in 2010. And also for the record as far as the phones I am currently using, my 1st use phone is a Droid Pro, 2nd is a Samsung Nexus S and 3rd is an HTC Desire.
Source: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/
heathmcabee said:
In the comments below, tell us what you are looking for out of Froyo that you aren’t getting out of the modified version of 2.1 that’s on your Galaxy S now?
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JIT Compiler
Flash Support
Honeycomb Media Player Leak
Better Exchange Support
GPS Fix (hopefully)
...just a few things I can think of off the top of my head
JIT compiler
Flash support
Apps on SD card
Gps fixes
Bluetooth voice dialing
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Include on that list:
- latest google apps and several other apps we can't use or upgrade to because we need 2.2.
Also, how about Samsung's own docks that require 2.2 in order to use certain functions.
crajee16 said:
Include on that list:
- latest google apps and several other apps we can't use or upgrade to because we need 2.2.
Also, how about Samsung's own docks that require 2.2 in order to use certain functions.
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Dock still doesn't work on 2.2 DK28. Sound only came from my left speaker in the DK17 build.
-Roger
I want my About Phone page to have the number 2.2 on it. Thats my only reason.
ryno502 said:
jit compiler
flash support
apps on sd card
gps fixes
bluetooth voice dialing
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+1. .
Mostly the 2.2 apps like Chrome to Phone, GPS fix, and apps to SD Card.
Almost forgot Flash, that's a pretty big one. I honestly don't care about 2.3 all that much.
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Cloud 2 mobile device too right?
The source of 2.2 for the Epic. Then we will have some great roms.
Also:
Jit and other speed enhancements
Support for the latest apps
Touchwiz 3
I want the hardware keyboard to keep up with my typing. The reason I bought the phone over the EVO was the slideout keyboard. I use it but find myself hitting the backspace far too often because a letter was missed.
Flash is a nice addition as well.
ryno502 said:
JIT compiler
Flash support
Apps on SD card
Gps fixes
Bluetooth voice dialing
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AND source code! Our developers are handicapped without it.
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FYI all, the OP post was taken from the link provided which is: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/.
pretty sure the indication was to put your comments on THAT article, not in this thread if you want the peeps at sammy to see it. just trying to help you out, lol
amosher13 said:
FYI all, the OP post was taken from the link provided which is: http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/.
pretty sure the indication was to put your comments on THAT article, not in this thread if you want the peeps at sammy to see it. just trying to help you out, lol
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Ohhhhhhh! You're so smart!!! Lol thanks!
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socos25 said:
I want the hardware keyboard to keep up with my typing. The reason I bought the phone over the EVO was the slideout keyboard.
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Big fuggin +1. At least the gingerbread keyboard works really well.
I'm on DK28 so the only thing I'm still lacking is audio out functionality with the car/desk dock.
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stir fry a lot said:
Big fuggin +1. At least the gingerbread keyboard works really well.
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I type fast on the keyboard and it works very well. Although i did turn off the stupid software keyboards since they annoy me when they pop up. Turned off the autocorrect on the hardware keyboard too.
How about skipping 2.2 and giving us some gingerbread love with 2.3 since it is already out.
1. GPS fix
2. Bluetooth voice dialing.
3. Flash
4. Saving apps to sd card.
5. JIT compiler
hmmm let's see, how about...
bluetooth voice command.... ever used "Vlingo"??
with almost all states banning texting and operating a mobile device while driving, bluetooth voice command is a MUST!!
My question to any qualified attorney and in general is at what point does the failure to meet an annouced release date become false advertisment particularly when said annoucement is just as advertisement material to coerce comsumers into purchasing one product over another one?
http://thedroidguy.com/2011/01/the-samsung-android-update-debacle-now-hear-this/#dsq-form-area
Stock DI18 to Stock DK28