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Dream Discontinued?

For about a Month now, I've been told by the manager of my local T-Mobile UK store that he will give me a USB to 3.5mm converter for free (the one that came in the box) because mine was broke.
And for about a Month now, they've had no stock of G1s not just in this store but in every store in Birmingham and therefore unable to give me one. The manager told me the G1 was at the end of its cycle and soon to be discontinued.
Anyway, they STILL don't have any G1s in. Furthermore today I noticed that HTC have removed the Dream from their Product Page on the website.
Looks like it has been discontinued and will be replaced by the Mytouch 3G in America (I don't get the press' big obsession with this phone, it's all I read about lately yet it's been available on vodafone here for months?) and the G1 Touch (Hero) in the UK.
IT's a shame, I would have liked them to run both handsets at the same time tbh.

Dream is not being discontinued, it may simply be being dropped by tmobile. tmobile are douchebags anyways -- they shouldn't be debranding the phones since it misleads the feeble-minded into believing that they are the hardware manufacturer and it also makes it more difficult to track products. The Dream has very recently been picked up by rogers in Canada (only one month ago), so it is nowhere near the end of its life.
brummiesteven said:
For about a Month now, I've been told by the manager of my local T-Mobile UK store that he will give me a USB to 3.5mm converter for free (the one that came in the box) because mine was broke.
And for about a Month now, they've had no stock of G1s not just in this store but in every store in Birmingham and therefore unable to give me one. The manager told me the G1 was at the end of its cycle and soon to be discontinued.
Anyway, they STILL don't have any G1s in. Furthermore today I noticed that HTC have removed the Dream from their Product Page on the website.
Looks like it has been discontinued and will be replaced by the Mytouch 3G in America (I don't get the press' big obsession with this phone, it's all I read about lately yet it's been available on vodafone here for months?) and the G1 Touch (Hero) in the UK.
IT's a shame, I would have liked them to run both handsets at the same time tbh.
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lbcoder said:
Dream is not being discontinued, it may simply be being dropped by tmobile. tmobile are douchebags anyways -- they shouldn't be debranding the phones since it misleads the feeble-minded into believing that they are the hardware manufacturer and it also makes it more difficult to track products. The Dream has very recently been picked up by rogers in Canada (only one month ago), so it is nowhere near the end of its life.
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Precisely. Its at the end of the TMO lifespan. They really wanted the G1 to suck in subscribers and get a feel for Android's popularity. Now that the buzz has shifted towards other devices coupled with the expiration of the exclusivity agreement, TMO feels that it would be better off putting efforts on new/different devices. Business as usual.

This is exzatly why I want a iphone... G1, mytouch, hero, all this ****, they make a phone good going for a serveral months, then just drop it like that..

perhaps tmo uk is dropping the g1, i'm not sure. however, tmo us is NOT dropping the g1, nor planning on doing so anytime soon.

super_ said:
This is exzatly why I want a iphone... G1, mytouch, hero, all this ****, they make a phone good going for a serveral months, then just drop it like that..
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So go buy yourself an iphony. Quite frankly, if once you have the device they stop selling or making it, WHO CARES? If you ALREADY HAVE it, then you dont NEED ONE.

kusotare said:
perhaps tmo uk is dropping the g1, i'm not sure. however, tmo us is NOT dropping the g1, nor planning on doing so anytime soon.
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Correct. The current T-Mo US roadmap has the G1 being discontinued sometime in October 2009, and that assumes they have another Android phone with a keyboard to replace it on schedule, otherwise they'll hold off longer.
It's only been out a little over 8 months, talk of discontinuation is way premature.

Ive notice that Optus in Australia (one and only dream provider here) have taken the Dream off their website too.
Seems like the dream is dead.
Apparently the Hero is coming soon to Australia too (carrier unknown) so android australia might pick up.

touch lasts but a moment, but sense tells me that a droid beholds a dream forever

super_ said:
This is exzatly why I want a iphone... G1, mytouch, hero, all this ****, they make a phone good going for a serveral months, then just drop it like that..
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The G1 has been available for just over a year, even if it's dropped it will have had the same lifespan as every iPhone revision.
Original: June 29, 2007
3G: July 11, 2008
3GS: June 19, 2009
Yes the 3G is still available, but that's only because there isn't an 8GB 3G S...

super_ said:
This is exzatly why I want a iphone... G1, mytouch, hero, all this ****, they make a phone good going for a serveral months, then just drop it like that..
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almost every phone and every carrier is like that including the iphone, they are on the shelves for about a year then they are removed for the newer ones. if a Tmobile store had the same phones they did last year no one would have any reason to walk in the store except to pay their bill.

jndd333 said:
touch lasts but a moment, but sense tells me that a droid beholds a dream forever
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thats good, did you make that up?
you should add something about a hero and a blur
oh and a galaxy
and a tattoo
and a dragon
and my mom

super_ said:
This is exzatly why I want a iphone... G1, mytouch, hero, all this ****, they make a phone good going for a serveral months, then just drop it like that..
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then get an iphone.. iphone only last about 1 yr anyways..
but ANYWAYS.. the g1 was just a prototype and used as a marketing device for android...
IMO i am starting to hate the g1 due to the lack of RAM...
i used taskpanel x to see how much free ram
g1: average 40-high 50s mb of RAM which is quickly used up for hero rom users

HTC still has the Dream on their US site. Rogers Canada still presses it and the Magic as 2 of their killer smartphones. The G1 isn't dead yet. Maybe to T-Mobile but the rest of the world still has faith. I completely believe it will be dead by next June (1 year after Rogers release) but it still has some life in it yet.

who cares if the G1 dies or not. the G1 was the rooting god and or savorer of this android community. it made the current roms, apks, themes and what not. it will never die, its just advanced to the current use and ideals of what the future holds. let them(who ever makes material of the consumers) make as many android devices as they want!! it would be great for a better product that can handle "OUR" speed and development. i personally still own a G1 and have my mytouch(now google ION) in hand and love them both as my babies. so i further state that if the production of G1 is dead then ok, I got mine. If not then eh, what more can you do to it that all the super dev's havent already??

lbcoder said:
Dream is not being discontinued, it may simply be being dropped by tmobile. tmobile are douchebags anyways -- they shouldn't be debranding the phones since it misleads the feeble-minded into believing that they are the hardware manufacturer and it also makes it more difficult to track products. The Dream has very recently been picked up by rogers in Canada (only one month ago), so it is nowhere near the end of its life.
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The G1 has HTC printed on the left edge of the screen (or on the bottom if you are holding the phone is landscape view) I know that they have done debranded in the past but how is this debranding?
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The G1 has HTC printed on the left edge of the screen (or on the bottom if you are holding the phone is landscape view) I know that they have done debranded in the past but how is this debranding?
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It still says T-mobile on the front, and that doesn't go for UK Dreams, they don't say HTC on the side. HTC isn't an instantly recognizable name to average joe, unlike Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericcson ect, so if they see T-Mobile on the front they'll probably think they manufacture it.

AdrianK said:
It still says T-mobile on the front, and that doesn't go for UK Dreams, they don't say HTC on the side. HTC isn't an instantly recognizable name to average joe, unlike Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericcson ect, so if they see T-Mobile on the front they'll probably think they manufacture it.
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ooohhhh, did not know that.

AdrianK said:
It still says T-mobile on the front, and that doesn't go for UK Dreams, they don't say HTC on the side. HTC isn't an instantly recognizable name to average joe, unlike Motorola, Samsung, Sony Ericcson ect, so if they see T-Mobile on the front they'll probably think they manufacture it.
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They are growing in the US thou, seen the commercials they keep putting out? I smell competition. Maybe they will release debranded phones for cheaper now.

neoobs said:
They are growing in the US thou, seen the commercials they keep putting out? I smell competition. Maybe they will release debranded phones for cheaper now.
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They're also picking up in the UK, having the Diamond, Touch Pro, HD, HD2 and Hero released with "HTC" on them has helped.
The reason why they're not easily recognisable is because they've spent too long developing phones and let other companies (mostly network providers) rebrand them, o2 XDA's Orange SPVs T-Mobile MDAs etc etc.

What rumored release date have you heard/read?

I'm hoping for a thread to list all the release date rumors. If you read it on a web site, post a link to the article. If you heard it from someone, describe who told you.

I'm hoping we get an official release date announcement within a week, two tops. With t-mobile releasing on the 15th and at&t 3 days later, it would behoove Sprint quite a bit not to drag their heals on this release any longer than absolutely necessary. If this isn't on store shelves by mid-August, I'll be rather disappointed.
Verizon hasn't announced a release date for their SGS yet so I'll grant Sprint some leeway, but as soon as Verizon announces, Sprint had better not be far behind.

Me too. I really can't wait much longer (for practical reasons). If it doesn't have a release date by the time the droid 2 comes out, I'll probably have to get that instead.

So far the most accurate prediction I have read is that they will be released one after the other a week apart, so far that's been true with the first two handsets. First was released on the 11th followed by the 18th I'm guessing the 3rd on the 25th and the last on the 1st. As to which is released next I have no idea.

Sebrina said:
So far the most accurate prediction I have read is that they will be released one after the other a week apart, so far that's been true with the first two handsets. First was released on the 11th followed by the 18th I'm guessing the 3rd on the 25th and the last on the 1st. As to which is released next I have no idea.
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Tmobile version launches the 15th not 11th, so thats 3 days apart for the tmo and att versions

I called sprint on friday and asked when the epic 4g was going to be released. The rep said that she did not know about this device. She did a search and she said it was in her system. I asked if there was a release date and she said there wasnt one in the system but she said once they are in the system they are released in a few weeks. I hope its released this month.

chaoscentral said:
Tmobile version launches the 15th not 11th, so thats 3 days apart for the tmo and att versions
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You're right I had the intercept date in my head

I made a list with all the release info on the Galaxy S series here and keep it up to date with newest information...
These are all the rumored release dates for the phone and known carriers...
According to this article from computer world all 4 carriers should have their phones out the door by early august:
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...buts_its_Galaxy_S_line_of_Android_smartphones
Galaxy S Pro
Sprint Epic 4G
Release: some time this summer (After July 11th though)
Email Alert: http://now.sprint.com/epic4g/?ECID=vanity:epic4g
Galaxy S
AT&T Captivate
Release: July 18th
Price: $199.99
Email Alert: www.att.com/captivate
Sprint
Release: Oreo 2010
T-Mobile Vibrant
Release: July 15th
Price: 199.99$
Email Alert: http://galaxy-s.t-mobile.com/
RadioShack Pre-Order: http://radioshackwireless.com/eCommerce/SpecialOffer.aspx?cid=25578_14d36bb1d7d54f7ab1f0d6d3861d825e - 199.99+free 50$ Gift Card
Wirefly Preorder: http://www.wirefly.com/eCommerce/SpecialOffer.aspx?cid=21427_0a925a0f355c4f89963707572f62efd5 -149.99
Letstalk Preorder: http://www.letstalk.com/samsung-vibrant-tmobile - 149.99
Verizon Fascinate
Release: Oreo 2010
US Cellular
Release: Fall 2010
Info: http://www.cellularsouth.com/DiscoverCenter/phones-apps/android/index.jsp?wt.mc_id=Social_FB_Galaxy#)
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Bell Canada - (Samsung Galaxy S Vibrant) (yes same design as T-Mobile) (http://galaxys.bell.ca/)
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I googled and found this site, it is samsung's usa site to receive notiications for all carriers: http://samsungmobileusa.com/GalaxyS/ (This site is half finished and labeled "Coming Soon" but does have notification options for each carrier)
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I found this, I don't know how credible it is but it is a comparison of the models..if it is true its a sad day fro CDMA A :/
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http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=125524

havent heard much :/

engadget said that it will be realeased b4 the end of the summer as for they guy that called sprint and they telling u its in the system and 3 week will be here that would be sweet!
im definitly getting this this is the first phone with all the specs are amazing i am a little jelous that at&t gets 16gb internnal memory but oh well.
cant wait to replace my tp2 with this beast

July 24th???
We have the Captivate on July 15th, now we have the Fascinate on the 18th, T-mobile's Vibrant is supposed to be the 21st. With this 3 day pattern, dare I assume the Epic will be out on the 24th? I hope I am wrong and it's earlier, but the 24th would be better than August!

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We have the Captivate on July 15th, now we have the Fascinate on the 18th, T-mobile's Vibrant is supposed to be the 21st. With this 3 day pattern, dare I assume the Epic will be out on the 24th? I hope I am wrong and it's earlier, but the 24th would be better than August!
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I think you are a little mixed up. The Vibrant is the 15th, the Captivate is the 18th and I don't think the Fascinate or Epic 4G have any release date set.

Analysis of the Samsung phones
I broke down each phone myself with pro's and cons including the carrier.
I have a formatted file, but unfortunately forum rules seem to forbid html, so here is my text conversion.
=-=-=-=-Tmobile Vibrant:=-=-=-=-=
PROS
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-1st to release (15th?)
-Cheapest to possibly own. Buy the contract phone for $199, opt out, pay the ETF for $200. For $200 more than contract you'll have it out right and can join Tmobile's contract free plan for $59 (all inclusive). For Highest use of data and text, this is the plan to get.
-built in memory for storage of 16GIG
-High speed internet capable (4G speeds)
-ETF of just $200
CONS
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-no flash camera
-no front camera
=-=-=-=-ATT captivate:=-=-=-=-=
PROS
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-ATT plan is most flexible. Can pick and choose from $15 data plan if necessary. $5 text for 200 msgs if you don't use that alot. If high street use is not critical, brings costs equal to tmobile or even the cheapest overall if you have a corporate discount which ATT regularly gives.
-same hardware pros and cons as tmobile vibrant version
CONS
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--Same negatives as Tmobile.
--can be expensive if highest use is needed.
--ATT network is pretty bad. been an iphone customer for years and it does suck.
--ETF of $325
=-=-=-=-Verizon Fascinate:=-=-=-=-=
PROS
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-Network typically has high corporate discounts (i have %25 off). with discounts can become one of the cheaper plans.
-Best network overall in quality of calls.
-Hardware : Has flash camera, 1 gig more internal storage than similar EPIC.
-No keyboard can be a positive is size and weight is an issue.
CONS
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-Verizon plan can be the most expensive
-Droid X possibly has better hardware. It has equal video and most likely faster TI processor. Bigger screen too if you liked the EVO.
If i was choosing Verizion, i'd choose the Droid X anyday. See my next post.
-Family plans suck.
-ETF of $350 (premium phone)
=-=-=-=-Sprint EPIC:=-=-=-=-=
PROS
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-Sprint typically has corporate discounts (25% here)
-EPIC is the most feature rich of the samsung family.
-Keyboard
-Sprint plans usually include Sprint TV, which is nice.
-ETF of $200
-best family plans in costs, if you want all smartphones.
-Very fast data from what i can tell on my EVO. But i came from ATT.
-30 guarantee
CONS
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-if you don't have a discount, plans will be the most expensive. Sprint will charge $10 a month for having a 4G phone even if you don't live in 4G area.
-Sprint coverage is so-so in many cities
-Big phone, thick and heavier than the rest.
-smallest amount of built in storage (1 GIG)

i wanted to add:
Ii talked to the sprint guys Sunday and was assured that while they couldn't tell me the release date, they did know it and can only say it would be in July.
also, wanted to post these images. The last column is closest to what the Droid X will have (3630 not the 4440). if anyone has updated stats on the 3630, please post.
Image not seen in some cases, so click here.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125&cpage=2#comment-26607
and click on image of popular SOC's of modern phones.
This is another image i found while reseaching droid x (motorola shadow) vs. the samsungs.
It looks like a quantrant test where the shadow was listed and running faster than any galaxy known. I'm no expert on this test, but it looks impressive. conclusions from this test were :
Shadow (verizon droid X) is running Android 2.1, and outscores Galaxy S and Nexus One with Android 2.1 which would make the Motorola Shadow the fastest device with Android 2.2.

orateam said:
i wanted to add:
Ii talked to the sprint guys Sunday and was assured that while they couldn't tell me the release date, they did know it and can only say it would be in July.
also, wanted to post these images. The last column is closest to what the Droid X will have (3630 not the 4440). if anyone has updated stats on the 3630, please post.
Image not seen in some cases, so click here.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125&cpage=2#comment-26607
and click on image of popular SOC's of modern phones.
This is another image i found while reseaching droid x (motorola shadow) vs. the samsungs.
It looks like a quantrant test where the shadow was listed and running faster than any galaxy known. I'm no expert on this test, but it looks impressive. conclusions from this test were :
Shadow (verizon droid X) is running Android 2.1, and outscores Galaxy S and Nexus One with Android 2.1 which would make the Motorola Shadow the fastest device with Android 2.2.
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Not exactly fair but ok, out of those phones in the picture you're saying the top phone is the Shadow followed by the Galaxy S? I'm only counting 2.1 phones since the Nexus One I have no doubt would win with 2.2 and JIT, but that's pretty nice to hear, and if that July rumor holds up all I can say is woohoo!

orateam said:
i wanted to add:
Ii talked to the sprint guys Sunday and was assured that while they couldn't tell me the release date, they did know it and can only say it would be in July.
also, wanted to post these images. The last column is closest to what the Droid X will have (3630 not the 4440). if anyone has updated stats on the 3630, please post.
Image not seen in some cases, so click here.
http://alienbabeltech.com/main/?p=17125&cpage=2#comment-26607
and click on image of popular SOC's of modern phones.
This is another image i found while reseaching droid x (motorola shadow) vs. the samsungs.
It looks like a quantrant test where the shadow was listed and running faster than any galaxy known. I'm no expert on this test, but it looks impressive. conclusions from this test were :
Shadow (verizon droid X) is running Android 2.1, and outscores Galaxy S and Nexus One with Android 2.1 which would make the Motorola Shadow the fastest device with Android 2.2.
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It is still hard to say which will be "best"...What makes the Galaxy S impressive is its GPU...the above pretty much shows how well the devices do without the GPU and only the CPU..so it means that the Shadow has a more powerful CPU in terms of number crunching...or the CPU is efficient for the kind of test....
From what I am reading the 1ghz OMAP that is in the Droid X is 20million polygons..so once 2.2 comes to both devices..my guess is the galaxy S would gain the most benefit and win out in the end.

I am for sure going to add a epic to my collection but I wanted to post this so you can see that the evo is a good phone. HTC just screwed up big time. I hit this score even with the fps cap. I have a fps hack but I only get 40 fps. My n1 gets 60+ with same hardware.

shep211 said:
I am for sure going to add a epic to my collection but I wanted to post this so you can see that the evo is a good phone. HTC just screwed up big time. I hit this score even with the fps cap. I have a fps hack but I only get 40 fps. My n1 gets 60+ with same hardware.
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This is for 2.1 or 2.2 EVO?

gTen said:
This is for 2.1 or 2.2 EVO?
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if it was 2.1, it would make it faster than next gen phones like the Sammy's and DroidX, which is unlikely.

Ok I think I know why the Shadow does so well..if I remember correctly the DroidX uses a DSP to help it process certain types of graphics...it is possible the DSP is working properly even in 2.1 whereas the other phones do not have their GPU acceleration till Froyo...
This would explain the above numbers..

Speculation: No Xoom release this week

I am speculating here....
I don't think we will see a preorder of Xoom this weekend and possibly not an actual release next week . The fact that no announcements have been made from Motorola on release is why I think this. If Motorola wanted to get people excited about this, they would have announced something today. That didn't happen.
I think that Motorola/Google/Verizon (yes Google too because this is the flagship tablet release for Honeycomb) are looking at pricing based on the overwhelming outrage at the $800 price point and are trying to do something to make this a huge launch in favor of Honeycomb. This can be many things. But I think the bottom line, $800 for launch will turn into a flop for the first Android approved tablet and that will not look good. The sales from the first real Android Tablet launch will be dismal at this price point. They may also decide to delay launch until the WiFi only tablets are available and/or a decent subsidized price is offered from Verizon.

keitht said:
I am speculating here....
I don't think we will see a preorder of Xoom this weekend and possibly not an actual release next week . The fact that no announcements have been made from Motorola on release is why I think this. If Motorola wanted to get people excited about this, they would have announced something today. That didn't happen.
I think that Motorola/Google/Verizon (yes Google too because this is the flagship tablet release for Honeycomb) are looking at pricing based on the overwhelming outrage at the $800 price point and are trying to do something to make this a huge launch in favor of Honeycomb. This can be many things. But I think the bottom line, $800 for launch will turn into a flop for the first Android approved tablet and that will not look good. The sales from the first real Android Tablet launch will be dismal at this price point. They may also decide to delay launch until the WiFi only tablets are available and/or a decent subsidized price is offered from Verizon.
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Some solid points here. I would further speculate that we will see some sort of Mail in Rebate for 100$. I base this on the rumor that Costco will have the device for 100$ less. The HTC EVO, IIRC, had 200$ subsidy and a 100$ Mail in Rebate which some retailers applied automatically. Though as I say this, I think this won't work as this device, being uncontracted, has no incentives for an in-store instant rebate.
I have been waiting for this device for a while now, and would hate to see it pushed. Your speculation about waiting for a wifi only device could be a good thing though, and at the end of the day I am a team player so I would grit my teeth for that. But only till the end of the month

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Some solid points here. I would further speculate that we will see some sort of Mail in Rebate for 100$. I base this on the rumor that Costco will have the device for 100$ less. The HTC EVO, IIRC, had 200$ subsidy and a 100$ Mail in Rebate which some retailers applied automatically. Though as I say this, I think this won't work as this device, being uncontracted, has no incentives for an in-store instant rebate.
I have been waiting for this device for a while now, and would hate to see it pushed. Your speculation about waiting for a wifi only device could be a good thing though, and at the end of the day I am a team player so I would grit my teeth for that. But only till the end of the month
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I am as anxious as you are trust me, but if you look at the overall picture from a general consumer point of view, $800, most people will walk on by and not even consider purchasing it. Add to that, a mandatory $35 activation fee plus minimum $20 one month data and on top of that, required to even get WiFi to work. With taxes, you will spend almost $900 without even buying an accessory. That is insane! And rumors that you cannot initially use the external microSD card slot for more storage without an update AND wait for a 4G upgrade, which we do not know if that is even OTA, wow, that is quite a bit to swallow.

They're running the ad for it this weekend in the sunday paper..it will be there on thursday

Arun01 said:
They're running the ad for it this weekend in the sunday paper..it will be there on thursday
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We will see. But I can tell you that it will be a big flop at the current price point and needed additional costs for activating WiFi (mandatory $35 Verizon activation fee and $20 one month data). If that is true just to use it as a WiFi device, that would be one of the biggest greediest launches I have ever seen.

well the rumored preorder day is sunday which technically is next week. not much of a speculation by my book.

@keitht
Beside that Costco ad (which may be a Costco thing), there isn't anything out there from Verizon or Best Buy that states activation is required. The leaked best buy playbook from a few days ago didnt even say it was required.
The words were "If customer activates..."
Read the exact details of that Best Buy memo... it doesn't say its mandatory.
As for that leaked Best Buy ad from 10 days ago... that said "activative required" or something... plainly either a draft or hoax because of the spelling issues. On top of that, a self titled MOTO tester here on XDA said they skipped activation in testing and WiFI was fine.
I bet a beer that activation isn't required. Sorry, but I call bogus on this.
Anyhow, the price point worked for the iPad. That was $749 for the 32gb 3G and the Xoom is alot more advanced.

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@keitht
Beside that Costco ad (which may be a Costco thing), there isn't anything out there from Verizon or Best Buy that states activation is required. The leaked best buy playbook from a few days ago didnt even say it was required.
The words were "If customer activates..."
Read the exact details of that Best Buy memo... it doesn't say its mandatory.
As for that leaked Best Buy ad from 10 days ago... that said "activative required" or something... plainly either a draft or hoax because of the spelling issues. On top of that, a self titled MOTO tester here on XDA said they skipped activation in testing and WiFI was fine.
I bet a beer that activation isn't required. Sorry, but I call bogus on this.
Anyhow, the price point worked for the iPad. That was $749 for the 32gb 3G and the Xoom is alot more advanced.
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True... we don't know the facts and that is why I am "speculating". Don't get me wrong here as I am in the crowd who has my money aside for this. I am speaking of the majority and from what I understand, the $750 iPad is not the big seller for Apple. $800 as the only option for the Xoom initially is not going to sell like hotcakes especially for an unproven device. And if there are any added costs, that will make matters worse.

arent you just paying for the xoom when you buy it? Isnt the activation fee and data plan charged to your verizon account? isnt that why you can cancel it within 72 hours because you arent actually charged the until after the 72 hours? i cant remember because its been awhile since i actually bought a phone from a store but i think thats how it goes. anyways i doubt its going to pushed back. moto is just being hush hush. Google doesnt need moto to sell alot just enough and then when more honeycomb tablets come out google gets more products out there. Im more suprised google hasnt released the sdk yet so devs can get ready to make apps in tablet form.

In addition, Apple made a big deal about the launch date for their device. Motorola has not officially announced anything about release. How will people get excited about this release when they do not know when to line up outside the store?

keitht said:
True... we don't know the facts and that is why I am "speculating". Don't get me wrong here as I am in the crowd who has my money aside for this. I am speaking of the majority and from what I understand, the $750 iPad is not the big seller for Apple. $800 as the only option for the Xoom initially is not going to sell like hotcakes especially for an unproven device. And if there are any added costs, that will make matters worse.
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We're all speculating, I'm just trying to be an advocate against all the negative speculation. All these blog sites post in there headlines the same thing "Xoom + activate required = FAIL". You read the article and its always the same screenshot always the same links....etc...
I'm just trying to keep hope alive, haha... I feel bad for some of the readers here who "refuse" to buy the Xoom because <fill in the blank". I just want to push that it may not be true... its all speculation on media and opinions.

keitht said:
In addition, Apple made a big deal about the launch date for their device. Motorola has not officially announced anything about release. How will people get excited about this release when they do not know when to line up outside the store?
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if theres one thing moto knows how to do is market and so does verizon. People will hear about it. The thunderbolt and xoom are already in the swimsuit edition of sports illustrated which is the highest selling copy of SI every year. I'm pretty sure it's coming. expect a release date when preorders go live

socomdark said:
if theres one thing moto knows how to do is market and so does verizon. People will hear about it. The thunderbolt and xoom are already in the swimsuit edition of sports illustrated which is the highest selling copy of SI every year. I'm pretty sure it's coming. expect a release date when preorders go live
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Still not feeling warm and fuzzy about the release of something new to compete with iPad at $800+. If $800 is the only option for the next couple months, we will see a lot of negative press for Honeycomb and I don't think that will be good for Google.
Imagine the headlines after 2 months... Only 100,000 Honeycomb tablets sold. Google's entry into the tablet market a complete failure.

keitht said:
Still not feeling warm and fuzzy about the release of something new to compete with iPad at $800+. If $800 is the only option for the next couple months, we will see a lot of negative press for Honeycomb and I don't think that will be good for Google.
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the pressure will most likely be on moto for selling it that high. Google wont be taking any heat unless there are some big bugs in honeycomb. From what i have learned watching apple, they arent perfect they send patches just like any other company. i dont think moto expects to beat apple outright, they just want to take some of their share of the market. Yea releasing the $800 model by itself doesnt seem right but i doubt wifi xoom is far behind seeing as we saw it pass through the fcc. Its probably better just to watch and see what happens.

socomdark said:
the pressure will most likely be on moto for selling it that high. Google wont be taking any heat unless there are some big bugs in honeycomb. From what i have learned watching apple, they arent perfect they send patches just like any other company. i dont think moto expects to beat apple outright, they just want to take some of their share of the market. Yea releasing the $800 model by itself doesnt seem right but i doubt wifi xoom is far behind seeing as we saw it pass through the fcc. Its probably better just to watch and see what happens.
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I disagree. Google worked very closely with Moto on this as the flagship Honeycomb God of tablets. Just like Nexus phone. You better believe Google is interested in making this a successful launch.

keitht said:
I disagree. Google worked very closely with Moto on this as the flagship Honeycomb God of tablets. Just like Nexus phone. You better believe Google is interested in making this a successful launch.
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yea i worded that wrong as not taking any heat but the benefit for google is that they dont have to worry about putting all their money on one OEM. If moto doesnt sell many xooms, they can go back to samsung or lg who are next in line. Samsung is one of companies who sold as much or more android phones as moto. Also 3D is a big thing lately so that means LG could see success. There's also the other companies who make more budget-friendly tablets like viewsonic. Google will probably take a small hit if inital xoom sales arent what is expected but they will be far from out of the game. The community is excited about honeycomb so there will be a demand for it. As for the average consumer, they will get to demo the xoom and see if its for them.

At least they got a bunch of hot chicks to attend the Xoom party:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ocnnfeed/MaximPartyPoweredByMOTOROLAXOOM#

Well, the bestbuy.com/xoom page has been updated a little.. it used to say 'page requested not found'.. and now it finds a lengthy URL path, but nothing on the page. My guess is they will open the page when the stores open at 10am ET. Everything's a guess though. We'll see in 1 day and 30 minutes. Or at midnight tonight with an 'in-store only' note.
http://www.bestbuy.com/xoom

Xoom Release
I just talked to BestBuy and they said that the official release will be on the 24th for $799. I also asked about the WiFi only version but they didn't have any information on that. Does anyone know if they will be released close to each other?

[DISCUSS] Xperia Play Canada Release Information

Here is what we know
Carrier
Rogers
Release Date
April 28, 2011
Pricing
3 year = $99.99
Off Contract = $549.99
Bootloader
No information

RacecarBMW said:
Here is what we know
Carrier
Rogers
Release Date(rumor)
April 28, 2011 (source)
Pricing
3 year = $99.99
Off Contract = $549.99
Bootloader
No information
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saw that. phoned in. still not taking my preorder.

That;s quite cheap compared to what we have here in europe. You always get lucky
How much a month would it cost with a 3 year contract?

AriStar said:
saw that. phoned in. still not taking my preorder.
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You can make the preorder online, check on rogers website, and on the search bar put xperia play, they are taking pre orders until May 1st, you can choose either color and the plan, always with 3 years contract, they dont allow off contract preorders.

What I'm dying to know is if the Rogers Xperia Play will have an unlocked bootloader.

RacecarBMW said:
What I'm dying to know is if the Rogers Xperia Play will have an unlocked bootloader.
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SE is in talks with the carriers to make that happend. Could be why Rogers and Verizon is taking longer to get their phones out. I always wondered why Verizon's phone comes with stock gingerbread instead of sony's skinned version.

I can't find this anywhere but I could have sworn SE was holding an event tomorrow.
Does anyone have a link?

RacecarBMW said:
I can't find this anywhere but I could have sworn SE was holding an event tomorrow.
Does anyone have a link?
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http://mobilesyrup.com/2011/04/13/l...son-xperia-play-and-arc-toronto-launch-party/
Confirmed – Rogers launching Xperia Play and arc on April 28th!!!!

Here's a pic someone took of the home screen of the xperia play at the canada launch party. OMG! STOCK GINGERBREAD!
http://twitpic.com/4kizhu

now we have that info, i just need to figure out how to get the phone from rogers without going to canada

Vancouver BC is about 6 hours drive from where I live. Planning to make a mini weekender vacation trip if Verizon doesn't pipe up before the 28th...

svenk919 said:
That;s quite cheap compared to what we have here in europe. You always get lucky
How much a month would it cost with a 3 year contract?
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The cheapest plan is around 55$.
200 minutes
Evenings (from 6pm) and weekends unlimited local calling
500 Mb of data (you can add 5$ for another 500 mb)
There's other options/extra available such as caller id, voicemail for a fee.

Without a contract you have to pay 500 euro's or more here (725 USD).

Also any news on the Bootloader?
What about Vanilla android? I saw the image a few posts back but it seems like a photoshop fail.

RacecarBMW said:
Also any news on the Bootloader?
What about Vanilla android? I saw the image a few posts back but it seems like a photoshop fail.
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Seem like the photo was just a quick photoshop job
Here's a video of both the arc and play at the rogers launch party. As you can see it comes with the Sony's skinned version of gingerbread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=951lUN_xyXE

Its locked.
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Was there at the launch the SE employee who was streaming Asphalt on the TV mentioned it was locked.
What I thought of the device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12923446&postcount=49
Software wise:
It has a skinned version of 2.3. I think it does have a custom launcher as well. All I remember it was all menus were light blue. (apologies we were downing to many drinks at the bar, electronics are far more interesting under the influence)
The unit I was using didn't have a properly working game launcher. When you pop the gamepad wasn't working, such that whatever you selected crashed back to home. Had to launch Asphalt from homescreen.
Didn't benchmark it to see if performance improved, since CES but the UI seemed pretty smooth. Both camera's worked infact you could stream via MHL to HDMI and play it on a big screen TV.
Thats all the info I can recall.. we were busy with the Arc benchmarking and whatnot and seeing how it compares to 2.3 galaxy s.
Didn't know any other XDA dev/users that were invited. We need to flash hand signals or something.
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Seem like the photo was just a quick photoshop job
Here's a video of both the arc and play at the rogers launch party. As you can see it comes with the Sony's skinned version of gingerbread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=951lUN_xyXE
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Just saw the video I'm in there for a couple seconds.

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Wonder if the Xperia Play Rogers edition is SIM/Network locked. I'm betting probably, so if someone from the US bought one for the full non-contract price we'd still have to get the SIM unlock to be able to use it in the states.
And would they even sell the phone contract free to someone that is not already a Rogers customer?
If any Canadians on here could check that out, that would be killer... I could stay with AT&T instead of having to bail to get this on Verizon.
This info might help other Canadians too. Isn't Fido another GSM network up there?

It is locked for sure
There is a off contract price 499 I believe
Unlock should not be hard, and I guess u can just carry it around like a pap go when you didn't unlock it

Xperia Z3 Canada Thread

The Xperia Z3 will officially launch in Canada tomorrow, October 31st.
Quite possibly the only region that hasn't received it yet. (as usual)
It'll be available at Rogers, Bell, Telus, Wind and unlocked at the Sony Stores for $699 or $599 for the Z3 Compact.
Who is getting one here from Canada?
I'm currently with Wind but I pre-ordered through the Sony store for a white Z3.
Doesn't look like there's any extras coming with the box.

I'm thinking of getting one. I'm just waiting to see how much it will go for at Bell (since I'm on Virgin). Rogers is supposed to have it for $599 so if they are the cheapest, I may get it from them and just pay to unlock it. If Bell sells it for the same price, then I can just get it from them and save having to do the unlock right away. If Sony pricematches Rogers, then that is another option as well.
I may wait a couple of weeks before jumping in though to make sure there are no particular issues with the Z3 in Canada.
I would have preferred a 32GB version (especially considering the $699 price from Sony) but 16GB should cover me as I don't install games on my phones and the SD card will cover the 30 some GB's of media I do carry around.
I just hope the battery is good and the screen can be read outdoors in sunlight. Two of the main reasons I got rid of my Nexus 5.

I'm going to pick up my Z3 tomorrow at the Sony store Just got a call that my preordered phone is ready
I called up and went to a few Rogers stores in Toronto, they all said it would be $699 off contract and not $599 as reported by MobileSyrup
Also kinda disappointed that it doesn't come with earphones - might have to buy the NC earphones later

pngface said:
I'm going to pick up my Z3 tomorrow at the Sony store Just got a call that my preordered phone is ready
I called up and went to a few Rogers stores in Toronto, they all said it would be $699 off contract and not $599 as reported by MobileSyrup
Also kinda disappointed that it doesn't come with earphones - might have to buy the NC earphones later
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Damn was hoping they would be cheaper on Rogers so that the Sony store could price match.

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Damn was hoping they would be cheaper on Rogers so that the Sony store could price match.
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Same here. Guess we'll know for sure tomorrow. Mobilesyrup did have a screenshot so maybe there is still some hope.

Fr3lncr said:
Same here. Guess we'll know for sure tomorrow. Mobilesyrup did have a screenshot so maybe there is still some hope.
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I'm going to pick up the phone at 11 am tomorrow. Hope Rogers has pricing info out by then

i'm up for one, in white, before year's end. will buy from the Sony Store.
still watching and waiting for the bugs to be identified/remedied, while slowly picking out accessories. the pink spot in photos = not impressive for a device that's 700 clams.

I'll have mine in exactly 8h50min. Already waiting for me at the sony store. I pre-order a black one but I hope I'll be able to change for a copper one .
I already received my cruzerlite bugdroid case from amazon. Really nice case by the way. All the buttons & ports are uncovered except for sim/sdcard port.
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Hey guys, just went in to a Rogers store today and got the sales guy to scan the price for the Z3 - showed as $699. Which means I won't be cancelling my pre-order :'(

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Hey guys, just went in to a Rogers store today and got the sales guy to scan the price for the Z3 - showed as $699. Which means I won't be cancelling my pre-order :'(
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That's disappointing. I guess MobileSyrup got taken with a fake screenshot, or Rogers changed their pricing. It's still nice phone but for $699, we should have the 32GB version the US does. I'll probably still be getting it though.

Just picked mine up
The store only had 2 z3 cases and I didn't like either - have to check amazon or ebay now.
Also, it doesn't come with earphones (the rep didn't know this either)

pngface said:
Hey guys, just went in to a Rogers store today and got the sales guy to scan the price for the Z3 - showed as $699. Which means I won't be cancelling my pre-order :'(
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MobileSyrup just posted a release for the Z3 for all carriers and they are still reporting the Z3 as being $599 from Rogers:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/10/31/xperia-z3-arrives-at-rogers-bell-telus-wind-mobile-mts-and-sasktel/
I followed through the URL and it's showing me $599 on Rogers site as well if you choose no term when buying.

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MobileSyrup just posted a release for the Z3 for all carriers and they are still reporting the Z3 as being $599 from Rogers:
http://mobilesyrup.com/2014/10/31/xperia-z3-arrives-at-rogers-bell-telus-wind-mobile-mts-and-sasktel/
I followed through the URL and it's showing me $599 on Rogers site as well if you choose no term when buying.
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WHAT - this is messed up.
Could you tell me how you got to select the no term price? I can only select on 2 year contracts.
I will go to the Rogers store and show them - and then return the one I got to Sony

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I'll have mine in exactly 8h50min. Already waiting for me at the sony store. I pre-order a black one but I hope I'll be able to change for a copper one .
I already received my cruzerlite bugdroid case from amazon. Really nice case by the way. All the buttons & ports are uncovered except for sim/sdcard port.
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I got my hands on a copper z3. I've been playing with it for the last twi hours, I'm really happy with it si far.
The smoke clear bugdroud clear with the cooper z3 give an awesome look!
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pngface said:
WHAT - this is messed up.
Could you tell me how you got to select the no term price? I can only select on 2 year contracts.
I will go to the Rogers store and show them - and then return the one I got to Sony
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You have to follow the link on MobileSyrup's web site, but here it is:
http://www.rogers.com/web/link/wirelessBuyFlow?forwardTo=PhoneThenPlan&productType=normal&productId_Detailed=XPERIAZ3BLK&N=52+11+277+4294920246
While 'live', it isn't accessible yet from the main site. I tried to search for it from the home page and couldn't get it.
Still trying to find a way to get it without a plan though since online you still end up having to choose something. Will stop by a Rogers store later today and see what happens.

Fr3lncr said:
You have to follow the link on MobileSyrup's web site, but here it is:
http://www.rogers.com/web/link/wirelessBuyFlow?forwardTo=PhoneThenPlan&productType=normal&productId_Detailed=XPERIAZ3BLK&N=52+11+277+4294920246
While 'live', it isn't accessible yet from the main site. I tried to search for it from the home page and couldn't get it.
Still trying to find a way to get it without a plan though since online you still end up having to choose something. Will stop by a Rogers store later today and see what happens.
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Thanks. I did go to the link through mobilesyrup, but what I meant was, what do you do next? I click Add to Cart and it takes me to select a plan etc. I can't find a way to get it without a plan
If I can find it on the website I will go to the store and ask if I can just get it from them

pngface said:
Thanks. I did go to the link through mobilesyrup, but what I meant was, what do you do next? I click Add to Cart and it takes me to select a plan etc. I can't find a way to get it without a plan
If I can find it on the website I will go to the store and ask if I can just get it from them
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Sorry... Misunderstood. I:
- Added to cart
- Selected 'I want to add a new line to my account'
- Choose any plan and you should see the 'no term' price of $599.
If you select 'I want to upgrade my device' after adding to cart, it wont go anywhere as it directs you to go to a store or call.
EDIT - Added screenshot.
EDIT 2 - Sorry... you are right, you can't purchase without adding a plan online. Maybe try in store. That's what I will try. The fact that online it has the 'no term' price as $599 might help getting it without a plan for the same price in store. (Hopefully!)

So.. I just tried this - and it didn't work
I showed it to the store rep and he said that it was a 'bug' in the site, and they can't sell it at that price. When he scanned the phone again it showed up as $649 (earlier today it was $699)
At a $50 difference I'm going to stick to the unlocked one I got from the Sony store. Hope you guys have better luck.
Btw, this is 100% the best looking phone I've ever seen

pngface said:
So.. I just tried this - and it didn't work
I showed it to the store rep and he said that it was a 'bug' in the site, and they can't sell it at that price. When he scanned the phone again it showed up as $649 (earlier today it was $699)
At a $50 difference I'm going to stick to the unlocked one I got from the Sony store. Hope you guys have better luck.
Btw, this is 100% the best looking phone I've ever seen
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Hi. I guess I got lucky as I was able to pick one up from Rogers for $599 but it was one of those 'perfect storm' things as it was coming up in his system as $599 for new activations and $649 as a new phone on existing plan. As he assumed that was a mistake, he called someone who gave him authorization for an override for the $599 price. He was supposed to confirm with his manager but they had left and didn't answer his call. So, I was able to get it.
Now I just have to find a place to unlock it. I had found a place earlier that said $17 CDN but I've lost the link.
At $649, I'd probably go to the Sony Store. Online it states you can't return them which was a concern for me if I didn't like it but in store you still have 14 days. Unlocked might be better for upgrades as well.

Going to stop by Rogers tomorrow... Fingers crossed for 599