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epic 4g has working gps, good news for us?

http://www.engadget.com/
If they are running the same gps hardware and theirs works, means its software .....
http://www.engadget.com/

So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?

dex1701 said:
So...the GPS hardware in the Vibrant and Captivate is identical to that in the Epic 4G, right?
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I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software

smashpunks said:
I sure hope so. If so it is 100% software
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Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
I wish they would give more info about GPS performance on the Epic...number of satellites locked, cold lock time with no aGPS, etc.

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Yeah, that's my concern. If the hardware is identical this is good news...if not it doesn't really help us much.
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Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...

smashpunks said:
Yea true, but why would it be any different?
Not like in the month since they really got complaints would they have changed hardware...
I agree though. We need to know for sure if its the same hardware...
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Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.

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Yeah, it's probably the same. I'm just slightly concerned that they might have done things a little differently 1.) because it's a CDMA phone and it might be a tad different anyway and 2.) because Samsung has likely known about the GPS issue since before the Galaxy S was released. I don't know if they would have had time to tweak anything in the Epic's hardware, but here's hoping they didn't.
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I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.

smashpunks said:
I just don't see what could be defective in our hardware causing a issue, could, but I just don't see it. Here's to hoping they kept things the same and just got it properly working.
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I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.

Tpavey said:
I agree. When it works, it works well and it works fast. I've found that if I turn off wi-fi then turn it back on again it sometimes gets things to move. Or if I open TeleNav then exit again (before even seeing a map), the GPS seems to work for a bit. The fact that it is so intermittent makes me think it is software related. Hardware problems usually don't show up as working perfectly, then not at all, then sucking, then perfectly again.
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That's some good points, I mean how could that gps chip gets released not working? And why wouldn't it work? I believe they will fix this, especially if we find out the gps chip in the 4g is the same as the GSM ones.....
Roll it out with froyo early Sept and shock us all is my dream.lol

Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.

boomerbubba said:
Trust but verify, as the man said said. So I want to see some rigorous testing by peers here before making a decision.
Nonetheless, the fact that Samsung would go on the record about the Epic is good news for Sprint. The fact that the statement is still weaseling about the September update to "optimize GPS performance" on the Vibrant and Captivate -- a different status than that bestowed on the Epic in the statement-- is a little troubling.
An optimistic reading of the statement might be that the reason Sprint delayed the rollout of the Epic -- and it apparently was delayed, according to the scuttlebutt on Sprint forums -- was to make time to incorporate the new firmware. That's what I would have tried to do, if I were Sprint management. Also, Sprint may have started sooner or accelerated the effort to ensure that the branded variant of the firmware was "tested and validated." Hopefully, T-Mobile and AT&T will also attain that status.
In my personal opinion, I find the general design and features of the Epic interesting compared to the Vibrant. Since my marriage vows to T-Mobile are not yet renewed, I might consider jumping to Sprint. But I wouldn't commit to either until I am convinced there is not a hard-stop GPS issue. One thing in Sprint's favor is that they offer a 30-day grace period for testing and trial, as opposed to T-Mobile's 14 days.
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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
I for one hate keyboards.. the more moving parts the more hardware issues.. coming from a tp1 and tp2, I just don't like how buttons feel after a while . Tp1 keyboard died and the tp2 keyboard keys stopped working unless pressed hard.
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I like the flash and the texturized back.. its cool... gonna be a rocking phone.
I definitely wouldn't change providers for the same phone, but that's me..
I just hope sprints is fixed and we got the same hardware.
I bet we got to wait now because samsung put all the Time in getting the sprints version out and working.. now hopefully its our turn..
Our waiting will pay off soon I'm sure of it.

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Why does every take the word "optimized" as bad? That's basically all of needs. I just don't see that as a negative statement ...
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I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.

I used the fix on the development section for stock roms and did exactly as it told changed servers cleared gps data and ran a test until i got atleast 10 gps sat locks now it rocks its literally all up in my cool aid now.
I always feel like somebody's watching me!

DKYang said:
I agree. Perhaps they don't understand what it means. Just sayin.
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Inconceivable!!!

well, apparently, the gps fix is now coming in the next few weeks according to engadget mobile via an anonymous t mobile rep.
It seems like Sprint rushed the new firmware to get the Epic out ASAP, while T Mobile and AT&T are taking their time to test the new firmware. Others have reported speed increases as well.
It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.

clivo360 said:
It would appear that t mobile is now testing the firmware. If this is the case, I would expect it sooner rather than later. Early to mid september now sounds very likely.
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Actually, if you read the T-Mobile memo -- the part meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it indicates that the final rollout to all end users might slip beyond September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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lol go att captivate!

x Samsung Galaxy S GPS + other improvements for Samsung ATT Captivate are HERE! Today - next few weeks OTA notification will be sent to customers! 11 minutes ago · via HootSuite
Thanks for the support TMO!

Hopefully tmobile announces something later today or by the end of the week, cuz it seems like our update is around the corner :fingers crossed:
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Blah man said:
Hopefully tmobile announces something later today or by the end of the week, cuz it seems like our update is around the corner :fingers crossed:
Sent from my vibrant using the XDA app
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Doubt that because the still have no information about any of the update...

Android Central comments about the Captivate updates don't sound to impressive. issues with not installing and still GPS issues after the update?

Want to know how is he GPs working after the update!!

Emama said:
Want to know how is he GPs working after the update!!
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its not only gps. The Update Suppose to Improve The Battery Life as Well.

Emama said:
Want to know how is he GPs working after the update!!
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it isnt fixing the issue from what I read. AT&T also never mentions a GPS fix.
The more and more time that goes by, the more and more I want a G2 when it comes out honestly. Sumsung really dropped the ball here and its going to leave a bad taste in a lot of people's minds for a long time...
Windows Phone 7 anyone? This phone is making me think about it also.

jz9833 said:
it isnt fixing the issue from what I read. AT&T also never mentions a GPS fix.
The more and more time that goes by, the more and more I want a G2 when it comes out honestly. Sumsung really dropped the ball here and its going to leave a bad taste in a lot of people's minds for a long time...
Windows Phone 7 anyone? This phone is making me think about it also.
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WIndows 7 phone? LOL no thank you. i ll stick with my vibrant. i think the hardware in that phone is very advanced than what is in g2. we just need software updates that will fix the bugs.

jz9833 said:
it isnt fixing the issue from what I read. AT&T also never mentions a GPS fix.
The more and more time that goes by, the more and more I want a G2 when it comes out honestly. Sumsung really dropped the ball here and its going to leave a bad taste in a lot of people's minds for a long time...
Windows Phone 7 anyone? This phone is making me think about it also.
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You know what, I think Samsung is 50 percent to Blame. The other 50 percent is T-Mobile. T-MOBILE...simply does not support their phones.
Buying the G2 will be the same damn story. Sure it will come with 2.2, but as soon as 3.0 comes along, every other carrier will have it months before T-Mobile releases it on the G2, and you will cry and complain "the more and more I want Verizon."
I honestly think the problem is T-Mobile, and not so much the handset manufacturers.

tmobile is throwing Samsung under the bus, I got this back from a message I sent to Tmobiles facebook a bit ago..
Robert,
We understand your interest on updates Samsung is working on one and as soon as we have any more information on this we will communicate it.
.. notice they say that Samsung is working on one, I did ask about 2.2 though and not the gps fix.

SamsungVibrant said:
You know what, I think Samsung is 50 percent to Blame. The other 50 percent is T-Mobile. T-MOBILE...simply does not support their phones.
Buying the G2 will be the same damn story. Sure it will come with 2.2, but as soon as 3.0 comes along, every other carrier will have it months before T-Mobile releases it on the G2, and you will cry and complain "the more and more I want Verizon."
I honestly think the problem is T-Mobile, and not so much the handset manufacturers.
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Honestly, my biggest regret was leaving at&t. I left because I wasn't interested in an iphone, I noticed no good new WM apps were coming along, and I wanted a 3.5 mm headphone jack on my phone. The nexus filled all those needs so when it was released I jumped ship to t-mobile. I found out the grass isn't always greener on the other side.
I still have no idea why people say T-Mobiles customer support is better than AT&T; from everything I've seen it isn't even close.

Someone else posted on here before about T-Mobiles BB getting upgraded to V.5 not too long ago.. they have 6 out or it's close to release. T-Mobile does lack in this "Software/Firmware" Update department. They have some decent phones but don't support them enough.
It's amazing, when the G1 came out, yes it was the first Android phone but updates rolled out pretty quick. I know it was stock "Vanilla" Android but updates were addressed in a timely manor. But now they have the My Touch, My Touch Slide and Cliq series and now the Galaxy S phone.

Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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speoples20 said:
Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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If you don't like the post why reply?

speoples20 said:
Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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So what its perfectly ok for other Galaxy S phones that haven't been out as long as the Vibrant to be getting their updates, but not us? Honestly, I really think it has to do a lot with TMO and not Sammy. Luckily, I've rooted and running a custom ROM and Voodoo fix. I also know that doing that is not for everyone though.

The Captivate came out what like 3 days after the Vibrant? Maybe tmo and Samsung are waiting to see how the update goes on the Captivate. It wont matter anyways we could get it tomorrow and people will still complain that it's not 2.2 or their phone is still not fast enough or some other bullcrap.
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speoples20 said:
Wow everyone is a bunch of goddamn vultures here. Waaah I've had my phone a month and a half Samsung and T-Mobile suck I want my updates waaah. People need to realize that updates need to go through a lot of steps. If you don't like your phone return it and get a different one.
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Your joking right? First almost 2 1/2 months. Second the others all got a update as mentioned.
All other phones with 1ghz are running froyo, even a hd2 without android has it.lom

I vote we get /b/ to start ****. Maybe then we might get some movement from T-Mo and Samsung... just me? >.>

not that it will do anything to Tmobile but I've decided that whoever gets 2.2 on the Galaxy S device first is who I will be switching to. If its Tmobile then I won't be going anywhere, but if another carrier can get it out before Tmobile see ya.
Tmobile launched this device First int he US there is no reason they should not be the first to release the OS update even if it takes them till November

I do agree that they need to support their phones better. But at least TMO isn't forcing bing down our throats either.
I come from the Blackberry side of the fence and I remember when 5.0 devices were new last year it took forever for TMO to release an update for the 9700, and that original release was filled with bugs. I finally gave up on waiting for them and simply downloaded another carrier's release. Easy to do on that platform.
I like the Vibrant for the most part. Yes it has bugs; yes it's quality needs to be improved. Yes the GPS kind of sucks. But what other high-end phone out there doesn't have issues these days? I'm sure the G2 will have them as well.

You're kidding me right?

Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
You can rant with frustration & disappointment below. lol.

I gave up on samsung updating us a while ago. I know this doesn't mean much, but I was at a verizon store the other day so for the hell of it I asked when we were getting our froyo update. He blatantly said "you're not getting it." At least I know I can count on the awesome devs to unleash the true potential of this phone. Thank you kaos, jt, birdman, geeknik, adrynalyne, sonofskywalker, and anyone else I forgot. You guys are awesome
EDIT: I forgot....THANK YOU IVORY for donating the fascinate to kaos!!
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halfcourtshoes said:
Is the LG Ally seriously getting a froyo update before the fascinate. Yet another reason why I hate Samsung & Verizon
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-ally-about-get-froyo-update
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Not sure why you mention Verizon, since they're the ones pushing the LG update. Shouldn't is just be Samsung?

I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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I'm thinking I'm glad I'm standing pat on... umm... whatever the hell was before DL09... DJ05?
I just picked up my morning coffee.

The Ally was released in May, they have been waiting a lot longer...
(Though some of the other US SGS phones were released in June.)

Well, some of them were promised 2.0 and their updates stopped at 1.6.

"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....

Yes, we totally are kidding!
Verizon released Froyo for the Fascinate yesterday, but they just won't give it to you. Why? We're not sure. Maybe you didn't pay your bill on time, or maybe they're prejudiced against people with {insert your hair color here} hair. They can be pretty capricious that way.
The rest of us are rocking it, but nobody has posted here about it because we all like keeping secrets and making you angry.
Toodles!

Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.

pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't spread rumors. There are enough in the blogosphere to do it for you.

pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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You hit this one right on the head! Sammy needs a lesson on what "open source" is. Although I think Verizon could be a little more vocal, in the end it all comes down to Sammy.

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Agreed and there web site is down so I can't download the media recovery and was unable to find the toolboot exe
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pvgomer said:
Samsung charges providers with the update, verizon does not want to pay for it since its open source. Therefor we wont see it unless samung gives it for free or someone here can make it happen. my bet is on XDA not Verizon. Next phone will be motorola seems they are happy in bed with verizon and get all the updates and fixes.
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Please don't perpetuate unverified rumors.

mexiken said:
"Enhanced browser performance for faster loading of Java Script pages. Note: Adobe Flash browsing will not be supported on this device"
Did you guys MISS that line ???? No Flash browser, might as well not be 2.2....
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Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.

gbmitchell said:
Actually, I would gladly take 2.2 without flash to get JIT and chrome to phone, not to mention some apps are coded to only work on newer versions.
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I would, but the majority of the tools and noobs in here only care about Flash. I'm actually most excited about JIT and the ability to upgrade integrated apps independent of software updates (like Gmail for example)

adrynalyne said:
I can only keep a poker face so long....the recent cd rom bug is pushing me over the edge.
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Really? Don't leave us Adrynalyne. It's making me mad too. I was forced to update to DL09 since I got my phone replaced today, and I went back to DJ05. And then the CD bug happened. It's such an awesome phone, crippled by poor carrier/manufacturer support.

Im not leaving...its just the OCD in me kills me on things like this.
We got it resolved yesterday, anyway.

I'm new to this forum and still trying to find my way around it, so could you point me in the direction of the usb situation fix please? Thank you.
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Engadget Review Atrix

Nice review.
http://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_threadhttp://www.engadget.com/motorola/atrix-4g-review/#disqus_thread

One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?

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One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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same could be said about the iphone

smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a pretty solid review, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
Of course, you've also got your obligatory AT&T services--AT&T Navigator, AT&T FamilyMap, and AT&T U-Verse Live TV--on there, but for once, you can actually uninstall any of these apps if you wish.
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but Engadget disagrees:
We're a little disappointed by the fact that Motorola and AT&T are loading up the Atrix with a considerable amount of bloatware, and there's nothing you can really do about it. Vlingo, a handful of AT&T apps, Blockbuster, and a smattering of other programs all ship on the handset with no option to delete them.
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Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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Huh.

again, AT&T hasn't finished the backhaul necessary. Also, I always get lower speed tests with the Speedtest.net app than I do with XtremeLabs app. When I get my phone, I'll test the speeds, should be about 2200-3500 in Stl. if it's like the N1. That's WITHOUT the '4G'

They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.

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AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
ETA: The review was updated with this:
Huh.
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check the article again, there's an update.

smitty1 said:
One of the biggest deals they found in that review is the speed.
The Atrix is not running any where near 4g more like crappy 3g at best.
What is the use of the phone with all that power if its network connection is crap?
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I've heard that 4G services will be launching in the coming months on AT&T.
Battleship said:
AT&T hasn't finished the enhanced backhaul to most of the network and it won't be ready to go till the end of March at the earliest. Seems like something Engadget should have mentioned.
It's a solid review all around, I think, but now I'm wondering about bloatware. CNET's review said this:
but Engadget disagrees:
Which is it? Rooting will take care of bloat, but it would be nice if we could get rid of it before rooting is available.
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I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.

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They tested it against the iphone and the iphone beat it hands down.
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The odd thing is that if you compare the device against the iPhone 4 on AT&T's network -- tested in exactly the same locations -- you see much different results. On the iPhone, data speeds were consistently in the 2 or 3 Mbps range for downloads, and hovering around 1 Mbps for uploads."
That is a bowl of suck right there.
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They are testing in New York. AT&T in New York sucks. This is not news. It will probably be much better as long as you don't live there.

kennethpenn said:
I was curious about this, too. Perhaps Joshua Topolsky doesn't know about "Manage Apps >> uninstall" because he isn't a regular Android user? I doubt the CNET guy would have said that if it weren't possible.
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He did update the review with this:
Update: Some of the pre-installed apps can be deleted, but not all.
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so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.

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so now all we need is an itemized list. Ha. Must say I'm WTFing about that Blockbuster app. I hope that's one of the apps that can be uninstalled out of the box.
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On the droid x I have I could only uninstall updates, not delete it (without root). Motorola has a deal with Blockbuster, so they put it on all their phones.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if z4root worked right out of the box. It's already designed to work on Motorola phones running 2.2.1, so it probably will work for this too. Once that's done, TiBu will remove everything extra anyway.

On the battery side, the Atrix 4G packs an impressive 1930mAh battery inside, and even though Android is data intensive, we found ourselves squeezing more than 24 hours out of the device on a single charge with fairly heavy use. You can probably get more time out of the device if you avoid calls when possible and keep your brightness settings in check, but we were pleasantly surprised by the performance we saw.
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This is excellent news!
The battery was the one thing I was really concerned about. I am very pleased to see this working so well. Maybe there is hope for the Atrix after all...
Oh and on a side note:
That camera looks awful!

Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.

No comment on the gps? That's like my main concern now since my captivate has a pretty crappy gps lol

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Seriously you idiots on XDA who gives a **** on about the bloatware one quick flash and you will be... oh wait its completely locked. FU MOTO AT&T go **** yourselves. Im waiting for a PYrimid scheme and some qualcomm 2x at Tmobile. Im sure ill be missed at Att but ill be sure to spread the already ****ty word that has been plaguing them as well.
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You ok man?

lol, yeah, don't hold back or anything. This phone is sounding like a winner to me assuming it can be properly rooted and custom roms installed. I never had an interest in the docks anyways so the overall beatings they are taking in the reviews isn't a concern to me. Like engadget I love the concept but the laptop dock cannot replace a laptop as is making it a third wheel for me.

Well, all I wanted to see in that review was info on the bootloader, and... it's locked... Not really a surprise, but hey, I was holding onto hope. The fact that this phone won't be getting much dev support, and because it's all plastic, means I'll be crossing it off my list... My perfect Android device, has yet to surface.

doesn't the Droid X have custom roms? If so, couldn't there be custom ROMs on this phone as well?

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You ok man?
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im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?

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im pissed off, I have TP2 and desperate for a new phone. I was looking forward to the Atrix but not happy with att nor there unwillingness to make it easy for devs. Motoblur is a joke as well as froyo with this thing. Are you kidding me?
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I am willing to bet that custom roms will start rolling out after about a month. I don't understand what the big deal is with bootloader, with it unlocked, we might see roms a few weeks sooner, but either way it will get done. I know it will get rooted within a week, that is a fact. Once it's rooted, feel free to ASOPify the phone however you like...
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Let's bug samsung for gingerbread

Hi,
I think we should all tweet https://twitter.com/#!/SamsungMobileUS for gingerbread update for vibrant.
If we all do it then they will be flooded with tweets and it will be hard for their support staff to work properly on twitter .
Tweet atleast once.
Thanks

Are you serious?
Go mess with T-mobile not Samsung.
They dont pay for support, they dont get one.

You know about kies mini right?
demetris_I said:
Are you serious?
Go mess with T-mobile not Samsung.
They dont pay for support, they dont get one.
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Why would we bug T-mobile when the last update to KB5 came directly from Samsung through Kies Mini? The carrier wasn't involved at all.

SamsungVibrant said:
Why would we bug T-mobile when the last update to KB5 came directly from Samsung through Kies Mini? The carrier wasn't involved at all.
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Wrong, the carrier has to request that an update be made, and T-Mobile requested that kb5 be released, but T-Mobile doesn't like doing ota for the vibrant. So the did kies mini, and T-Mobile requested kies mini be made.
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geoffcorey said:
Wrong, the carrier has to request that an update be made, and T-Mobile requested that kb5 be released, but T-Mobile doesn't like doing ota for the vibrant. So the did kies mini, and T-Mobile requested kies mini be made.
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Is that why on the T-Mobile forums T-mobile basically said they have nothing to do with the KB5 update and that it is optional and must be done through Samsung Kies Mini?

If Samsung is so much in favour of us then why don't they use intentional build leak method.... and when T mobile cry they can always say they never released anything...It is SAMSUNG fault for sure.
Bug them

samsung galaxy s has gingerbread all europe and almost all over the world except usa/north america. Even galaxy mini get gingerbread this days....so....i think t-mo is the problem.

mohitmoudgil said:
If Samsung is so much in favour of us then why don't they use intentional build leak method.... and when T mobile cry they can always say they never released anything...It is SAMSUNG fault for sure.
Bug them
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No it isnt, they have updated the SGS outside the US in a very timely manner, the problem is that the carrier controls updates to their device here in the US and must request and pay Samsung for one, Regardless of delivery method it is Tmobile who controls it. Why would Samsung waste time & money on making an unofficial update for the vibrant? If Tmobile doesnt want it they have better things to do with their time that will make them more money, hence no leaks. The other carriers I am assuming have already paid for their updates, hence the leaks. Now whether or not those updates are released officially are up to the carrier once again, either via OTA or otherwise.

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No it isnt, they have updated the SGS outside the US in a very timely manner, the problem is that the carrier controls updates to their device here in the US and must request and pay Samsung for one, Regardless of delivery method it is Tmobile who controls it. Why would Samsung waste time & money on making an unofficial update for the vibrant? If Tmobile doesnt want it they have better things to do with their time that will make them more money, hence no leaks. The other carriers I am assuming have already paid for their updates, hence the leaks. Now whether or not those updates are released officially are up to the carrier once again, either via OTA or otherwise.
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Again, why did Samsung release KB5 through Samsung Kies then? T-Mobile themselves on their forum has said they have nothing to do with kB5, it is completely optional and up to the customer to apply via Samsung Kies and not through T-Mobile

I don't know whose blame is it, all I know is that i'm already buggin' both of them, so we should all do the same! what else can we lose anyway?

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I don't know whose blame is it, all I know is that i'm already buggin' both of them, so we should all do the same! what else can we lose anyway?
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Yeahhh!. BUG both. We won't loose anything more..One tweet from all the vibrant users will kill them

SamsungVibrant said:
Again, why did Samsung release KB5 through Samsung Kies then? T-Mobile themselves on their forum has said they have nothing to do with kB5, it is completely optional and up to the customer to apply via Samsung Kies and not through T-Mobile
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Again, you're missing the point. T-Mobile requested the update, but refuse to do an ota for it (hence it being optional). If T-Mobile hadn't requested kb5 be made/released, we wouldn't have gotten it. Period.
Tmobule HAS t request the update, then T-Mobile gets to decide when the update goes live into the public's hands.
And kies mini? That WAS created because of T-Mobile. The ota for ji6 failed so miserably, they needed a better way to release the update and also keep liability for breakage off of T-Mobile.
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Its T-mobile fault they dont even ship replacements with 2.2 or new phones with it which is Ashame i feel bad for people woh are stuck with this phone who cant root thats y i root all friends phones who have vibrants this phone is popular good thing a lot of people have 2.2.1 which is pretty good

Just tweeted both Tmobile and samsung....You guys should stop arguments and bug both companies

How about we just bug Samsung for the drivers. Isn't that all we need?

Yea but Rom would be preferred it would make for better roms

Who cares ics is right around corner maybe less then a month away there attempting sdk so when source comes out it should be a brezze for them
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Just tweeted both Tmobile and samsung....You guys should stop arguments and bug both companies
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It's not so much an argument as making sure someone knows the company to properly blame. I love Tmobile but truth be told they are terrible with updates. Not to say the other carriers are much better, I just wish we had less carrier BS in the states and actually got updates like the rest if the world =/
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How about we just bug Samsung for the drivers. Isn't that all we need?
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+1 cm7 will be better than any Samsung rom amyway

This is y nexus phones are so desireable no carrier crap i with they would leave it up to manufactuer
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