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Okay xda, here's a hypothetical situation I'm considering:
I'm running damagecontrol 2.08.1, and I know the official 2.1 is out now. However, I hear mixed reviews. I'd much rather be running the official update, but at the same time not too sure I want to lose root. It'd be good to hop off the root train to avoid pains like this, but then I'll be impatient when Froyo comes around I suppose. Anyways, I was wondering if it were at all possible to:
1.) Backup via Nandroid my system running 2.08.1 rooted.
2.) Update to the official non-rooted 2.1
3.) Test it out, and if I don't like it, restore to my 2.08.1 rooted via Nandroid, and have root access again.
Can anyone confirm whether or not this would work? Also for those that updated, what are your thoughts on Root-vs-Non?
You figure out how to run a nandroid backup without root, after running the Sprint RUU, and you will make 27 people on this forum VERY Happy.
not me, I was smart and didn't load it...or at least i didn't "take one for the team"
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Okay xda, here's a hypothetical situation I'm considering:
I'm running damagecontrol 2.08.1, and I know the official 2.1 is out now. However, I hear mixed reviews. I'd much rather be running the official update, but at the same time not too sure I want to lose root. It'd be good to hop off the root train to avoid pains like this, but then I'll be impatient when Froyo comes around I suppose. Anyways, I was wondering if it were at all possible to:
1.) Backup via Nandroid my system running 2.08.1 rooted.
2.) Update to the official non-rooted 2.1
3.) Test it out, and if I don't like it, restore to my 2.08.1 rooted via Nandroid, and have root access again.
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This will not work, If you upgrade to 2.1 using official Ruu, You will lose root, and it will wipe the custom recovery image, so no more flashing anything, no more root, until someone finds the clink in the htc armour to regain root
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I see, so that recovery menu isn't stock android recovery? Well then here's another question.
If you could get flash-rec on an unrooted phone through the ASTRO install method, could you flash a custom recovery image like 1.6.2, then do a nandroid restore from backup?
I probably sound like a mega-noob, just wanting to know why we can't do these things.
Nah, I "took one for the team" but am actually working on it. I DO have to say that the official 2.1 is DAMN fast though. Like, faster then pancacke 0.1 hehe
No but seriously, there is almost 0 lag, and the only thing that I have seen wrong is all of the apps in the app drawer
And no, the nandroid thing is NOT possible.
Hmm, thanks regaw for the answer. Is it fast enough to make waiting for a 2.1 rooted unnecessary right now? Cause damage hasn't logged in for ages, and I'm tired of all the force closes and errors I'm getting. I'm just not so sure it's worth upgrading when I may have to wait longer if I update to an unrooted. I mean, I have A2SD, DConfig, all those shenanigans that make the phone so much better. What's your take?
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Hmm, thanks regaw for the answer. Is it fast enough to make waiting for a 2.1 rooted unnecessary right now? Cause damage hasn't logged in for ages, and I'm tired of all the force closes and errors I'm getting. I'm just not so sure it's worth upgrading when I may have to wait longer if I update to an unrooted. I mean, I have A2SD, DConfig, all those shenanigans that make the phone so much better. What's your take?
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Well, If you would like to do anything other than what Sprint/HTC wants you to do, I would recommend NOT upgrading, but waiting for something to come out. I know that Damageless is really busy, but I know that trevE is working on things too. They just need to finalize some stuff to get it out. While official 2.1 is fast, it doesn't have a whole bunch of things that us on custom ROMs take for granted. This is my first time on an official ROM since January, and, I do not want to keep it on for long, 1) just so I can begin developing again... and 2) so I can figure out the method of getting root back for everyone who ran the RUU.
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Well, If you would like to do anything other than what Sprint/HTC wants you to do, I would recommend NOT upgrading, but waiting for something to come out. I know that Damageless is really busy, but I know that trevE is working on things too. They just need to finalize some stuff to get it out. While official 2.1 is fast, it doesn't have a whole bunch of things that us on custom ROMs take for granted. This is my first time on an official ROM since January, and, I do not want to keep it on for long, 1) just so I can begin developing again... and 2) so I can figure out the method of getting root back for everyone who ran the RUU.
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Damn it Regaw I just realzied that you have more posts than me.
Any how, good luck on finding that root.
Here is this from Millworm, But it hink Eris devs proved it was fixed long ago.
http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9545
This one is also older, but not sure if anyone has tried it.
http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8678
Edit - Milw0rm must be dead.
and this, but it looks like only 2.6.30 Kernel maybe, and its just a Null Pointer exploit which is probably not suitable.
http://lwn.net/Articles/341773/
Also:
Possible way to change an MD5:
http://www.rapidleech.com/topic/2860-change-md5-hash/
Just some stuff I have looked at doing, but I am not willing to jump ship on a rooted phone.
you know I have been back and forth on whether or not to go with the official release and lose root, but during that process I loaded up Pure Hero rom which is based off the alysious (sp?) Rom but with Sense removed and man is it fast.
I have no need to lose root and this little phone is very speedy. And yes, I have tried Damage and Fresh (and a few variation based on those two) roms. Although they are decent roms, they just and turtles when compared to Pure Hero.
As far as Sense goes, I did like Sense, if you want it then do the alysious (again sp?) rom. Just that I think removing sense speeds it up, and honestly you can get all those functions through apps.
I have a new Magic (32b Google/Vodafone Ed) and I am hoping this is an ok question to ask... Any help, is much appreciated!
I've been searching through forums and seeking help wherever I can and not getting anywhere fast with information I'd like.
Firstly, when I bought the phone (2nd hand) it came with Cyanogen on it.
But there were all sorts of issues and so I had to do some fast learning, to fix it.
I managed to find out how to flash the phone, and reinstall the Restore functionality on the phone......
Once that was done, I was loving it and started installing apps.
I thought I had it perfect, so decided to install a theme (I didn't know it was untested) so when I flashed it, it locked the phone into a boot loop.
I spent 24 hours trying to understand how to 'fix' it as I restored a NAND backup which wasn't mine, and ended up with the phone back to it's factory default Vodafone Android 1.6 version with the old owners picture lock code!!!
A friend ended up 'fixing' it, I believe by getting a good copy of the default OS and flashing it with the fastboot menu.
After he did that, Vodafone here released an over-air update, so the phone is now running the default HTC Android version, but on 2.2.1
What I would like to know, is before I embark on the rather terrifying task of trying to put Cyanogen back on, is what are the benefits to rooting the phone vs the risks?
I understand that the risk of 'bricking' the phone is very real, and if I screw it up, I could basically destroy the phone, but do the benefits outway the risk?
I now have been given the Goldcard, plus install files for Cyanogen the original owner used to root the phone, so I am reasonably confident that it will work fine - as it was running Cyanogen beautifully (other than a couple minor glitches) when I got the phone.
If I root the phone and install Cyanogen, what benefits do I get over the stock 2.2.1 install?
IMHO the real true benefits from rooting is the complete freedom and the ability to really make the phone your own.the question you asked has been asked so many times and truthfully the real reward comes with actually rooting the phone yourself.
1. itll free up ram on the phone allowing you to do things faster(this depend on what rom you get too)
2. you can put apps on a part of your sd card which will keep your phone going fast just dont over do it
3. overclocking and underclocking to speed it up even more
4. the themes! me personally i dont care too much for themes people complain so much about them but its whatever.
5. the customization is really endless
the real reward comes with finally exhaling that breath after you first start rooting your phone lol.
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the real reward comes with finally exhaling that breath after you first start rooting your phone lol.
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Well... now that I know I'll get for sure!!! As I know how rough it was when I broke it hahaha
As for the rest, you aren't able to change things like themes without rooting??
Pretty girly I know, but that's one of the main things I really want to do with it!
Being faster would be a help too as I have found over the past few days, that sometimes it can be quite slow..... Would Cyanogen speed it up a bit?
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Well... now that I know I'll get for sure!!! As I know how rough it was when I broke it hahaha
As for the rest, you aren't able to change things like themes without rooting??
Pretty girly I know, but that's one of the main things I really want to do with it!
Being faster would be a help too as I have found over the past few days, that sometimes it can be quite slow..... Would Cyanogen speed it up a bit?
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Most stable ROM's will help with performance, CyanogenMod being one of them. The myTouch has a CPU rated for 576 MHz(if I recall correctly), but it comes from the factory underclocked at 384 MHz. Most ROM's have an OC kernel in them and will just require that you install SetCPU to control the CPU speed. As for your worries about bricking your phone, nowadays you don't even have to have a Goldcard. You can simply root with one of the many one-click root programs, use ROM Manager to flash a custom recovery (I prefer Amon Ra, but you can also use ClockworkMod) and create a backup of your untouched ROM, and then flash a new ROM from there. It's really all quite simple now IMHO, unlike when I originally rooted my phone using the Goldcard method.
hmm, is there a tut for that somewhere? As the only tutorial I have atm is the Cyanogen one which requires a Goldcard, dropping back to an older version, then rooting the phone?
I'd love to see another way of doing it?
Here's one and there's also the z4root app. You used to be able to use Universal Androot, but the exploit it used was patched in that 2.2.1 update you got.
Do you have any idea if the HTC Magic is compatible with that? As if it is, it is looking most intriguing!
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Do you have any idea if the HTC Magic is compatible with that? As if it is, it is looking most intriguing!
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All three of the methods I mentioned will work for the Magic. The one I linked should work fine.
For all you guys and gals looking to root and enjoy the goodness of custom ROMs and kernels, PLEASE don't go digging up ancient rooting methods and old, obsolete kernels and other ephemera. There are more old, outdated threads floating around page one in the Development Section and people are getting themselves in trouble, or at least frustrated with dead links, etc.
If you want to root or customize, make sure the method/ROM/Kernel at least works for your Honeycomb version.
If anyone started an older thread in Development that is outdated now, could you consider putting "obsolete" in the title, like Team Tiamat did with Manta Ray and Katana?
We're going to be seeing a lot of new development soon, so maybe we can clean up the joint a little? OK, I'm done now.
Good call. I've had my Xoom since late September and it took me forever to figure out what was current here and what was not. I did figure it out though, and have my Xoom running exactly the same as in your sig.
Bairman said:
Good call. I've had my Xoom since late September and it took me forever to figure out what was current here and what was not. I did figure it out though, and have my Xoom running exactly the same as in your sig.
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Good going! But it would have been nice if you could have put your finger right on the latest mods and guides, without fighting your way through all the flotsam, right?
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Good going! But it would have been nice if you could have put your finger right on the latest mods and guides, without fighting your way through all the flotsam, right?
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Exactly... and that's why my first post to the forum was my response here. I'm usually a lurk and learn kinda guy, but your post was so apropos I had to chime in.
Yeah, def took a little while to sort thru what was current and relevant, especially after 4G modifications...
Hmm, since I picked up some of the new Adobe apps I've been thinking I should start allocating some time everyday to figure out how to root/install roms so I can OC my Xoom (I get a bit of lag here and there).
What would you guys recommend I do? Before I read this I was just about to dive into the numerous threads and poke around, but I can see myself following a possibly outdated method. Tiamat seems to be pretty popular, but with ICS coming soon, should I wait a bit to see if I can put that on my Xoom?
edit: should mention that I'm on 3.1 Wifi Xoom.
Jeffu said:
Hmm, since I picked up some of the new Adobe apps I've been thinking I should start allocating some time everyday to figure out how to root/install roms so I can OC my Xoom (I get a bit of lag here and there).
What would you guys recommend I do? Before I read this I was just about to dive into the numerous threads and poke around, but I can see myself following a possibly outdated method. Tiamat seems to be pretty popular, but with ICS coming soon, should I wait a bit to see if I can put that on my Xoom?
edit: should mention that I'm on 3.1 Wifi Xoom.
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You have a couple options-both good ones: you can root and install ClockworkMod Recovery and. the Tiamat Moray ROM and the new Odachi kernel using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 (get Odachi kernel from Development thread), and then wait a short time for our developers to cook up some ICS ROMS/kernels. Or, remain stock unrooted so you can get the ICS update OTA. Just be aware the unlocking will result in wiping your device and flashing a new rom will require a data wipe, so make sure to back-up everything. When you root, back-ups are much easier and restoration much more comprhensive--another great reason to root your Xoom.
okantomi said:
You have a couple options-both good ones: you can root and install ClockworkMod Recovery and. the Tiamat Moray ROM and the new Odachi kernel using this guide http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1249798 (get Odachi kernel from Development thread), and then wait a short time for our developers to cook up some ICS ROMS/kernels. Or, remain stock unrooted so you can get the ICS update OTA. Just be aware the unlocking will result in wiping your device and flashing a new rom will require a data wipe, so make sure to back-up everything. When you root, back-ups are much easier and restoration much more comprhensive--another great reason to root your Xoom.
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Thanks for the reply!
I never got too deep into rooting and roms; at most I've just used one of those one-click-root apps for my Captivate, but since I went 3.2 even that's unrooted now. I miss Titanium Backup.
I'm about to head to sleep so I haven't looked, but is it expected that our Xooms will get ICS? I mainly want a faster experience, but ICS looks pretty so I'd like to get that too without having to get a new device.
edit: I think I'll give that link a go tomorrow after work.
Jeffu said:
Thanks for the reply!
I never got too deep into rooting and roms; at most I've just used one of those one-click-root apps for my Captivate, but since I went 3.2 even that's unrooted now. I miss Titanium Backup.
I'm about to head to sleep so I haven't looked, but is it expected that our Xooms will get ICS? I mainly want a faster experience, but ICS looks pretty so I'd like to get that too without having to get a new device.
edit: I think I'll give that link a go tomorrow after work.
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okantomi's guide is great. It's what I ended up using. One point to note, if you're planning to use the Moray ROM, step five isn't necessary since Moray is pre-rooted. Adding the Odachi kernel makes it run velvety smooth.
Everything I've read says that not only will the Xoom get ICS, it may be the first tablet to get it.
Bairman said:
okantomi's guide is great. It's what I ended up using. One point to note, if you're planning to use the Moray ROM, step five isn't necessary since Moray is pre-rooted. Adding the Odachi kernel makes it run velvety smooth.
Everything I've read says that not only will the Xoom get ICS, it may be the first tablet to get it.
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Thanks for the reminder. I'll make a note of it in the Guide. I don't want anyone to have to do any unneeded steps. It's complex as it is.
Hi all,
I'm getting my A500 in the next few days, and I was wondering what the best process for rooting is.
I understand there is either the method of reverting back to 3.0.1, or rooting from 3.2 with adb and some serials?(haven't looked into the last method much).
Which is the safer way? Is one easier than the other?
I believe the tab will arrive with 3.1 according to the spec sheet, if that makes any difference.
mswirski said:
Hi all,
I'm getting my A500 in the next few days, and I was wondering what the best process for rooting is.
I understand there is either the method of reverting back to 3.0.1, or rooting from 3.2 with adb and some serials?(haven't looked into the last method much).
Which is the safer way? Is one easier than the other?
I believe the tab will arrive with 3.1 according to the spec sheet, if that makes any difference.
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If it comes with 3.1, you're golden. Just use "Iconia Root".
Oh, i thought that only worked on 3.0
If, by chance, the spec sheets are wrong, and it comes with 3.2.x , which is easiest?
mswirski said:
Oh, i thought that only worked on 3.0
If, by chance, the spec sheets are wrong, and it comes with 3.2.x , which is easiest?
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You have to flash it which is the only way known currently.
You have to revert to 3.01 then use iconia root. You MUST download Acer Recovery installer 1st from android market as the 3.01 rom is REALLY buggy and you can do just about nothing but root your tab... After rooting and running the acer recovery installer then you can upgrade to any rom you please but remember, if you flash an Acer stock rom you have just wasted your time as you will no longer have root access(best case) or brick you tab (worst case)...
Best to look in developement and get one of the stock roms from there or a cfw....
I like Harkon, but thats because I have an A501.... If you have an A500 you have more choice....
Look in the developement section for downgrading 3.2 to 3.01.... All instructions and apps, bar the acer recovery installer....
Cheers...
Hey all. I've searched through the forums, but it seems like talk of the NC has stopped in favor of talk of the NT, and I can't find the info I need.
I have a nook color running 1.4.1, unrooted. I've seen plenty of threads about how to sideload apps on the NT running 1.4.1 without rooting, but no one seems to have explained how to do this for NC. Is it still possible? If anyone can explain how to get it done, please let me know. All I really want is the Amazon Appstore and the Kindle app, so I'm not sure I really need to do a full-fledged root. I really like the Nook interface and don't want to have to flash CM7 to just read my Kindle books.
Thanks
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Hey all. I've searched through the forums, but it seems like talk of the NC has stopped in favor of talk of the NT, and I can't find the info I need.
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Still a lot of love for the NC! It's still much more hackable than the NT.
I have a nook color running 1.4.1, unrooted. I've seen plenty of threads about how to sideload apps on the NT running 1.4.1 without rooting, but no one seems to have explained how to do this for NC. Is it still possible? If anyone can explain how to get it done, please let me know.
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I don't believe sideloading apps on the NC ever was possible without rooting. I do not recall any discussions of how to do so.
All I really want is the Amazon Appstore and the Kindle app, so I'm not sure I really need to do a full-fledged root. I really like the Nook interface and don't want to have to flash CM7 to just read my Kindle books.
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You can easily root B&N 1.4.1 without losing any B&N functionality. You can load the Kindle and Amazon App store apps with no problem. If that's all you want to do, you don't have to do anything more. GMPOWER has kindly devoted a lot of effort into developing the ManualNooter tool to make this simple. I've put together a guide on using his tool, plus a few other tips for those that prefer to stay with the B&N software. You certainly do not need to load CM7 to read Kindle books!
I don't have the stock 1.4.1 ROM so I can't tell you for sure but there are members reported that side-loading works fine on rooted stock 1.4.1 while others said they can't.
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You can easily root B&N 1.4.1 without losing any B&N functionality. You can load the Kindle and Amazon App store apps with no problem. If that's all you want to do, you don't have to do anything more. GMPOWER has kindly devoted a lot of effort into developing the ManualNooter tool to make this simple. I've put together a guide on using his tool, plus a few other tips for those that prefer to stay with the B&N software. You certainly do not need to load CM7 to read Kindle books!
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How easy is it to unroot from this method? Is there a simply tutorial on how to do that as well?
I don't want to root unless I know I can unroot just as easily, in case I need warranty support.
Just about anything you want to do to the nook is just as easily undoable. Returning to stock is a non-issue, easy as pie. Although in truth, there is almost no reason to do so. There would have to be a hardware issue, as I have yet to see an unsolved ROM or software problem on these forums, and I've seen some crazy stuff.
The nook.is a great machine, with amazing capabilities considering its origins. Adding the custom ROM makes it better in every concievable way. I ran stock software for almost nine months and regret every minute of it. GMpower did yeoman's work putting ManualNooter together for the cautious types, but I truly would recommend going whole hog with cyanogen.
I had a warranty issue with my sdcard slot after I rooted it, and even with no sdcard, I got it back to stock, replaced, and then flashed a backup of my install, all my books and apps right back to the way they were.
Everyone should root. You own the device, there is no reason not to maximize its abilities.
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How easy is it to unroot from this method? Is there a simply tutorial on how to do that as well?
I don't want to root unless I know I can unroot just as easily, in case I need warranty support.
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In his thread on MN for 1.4.1, the illustrious GMPOWER points to the NOOKdevs procedure for restoring to stock. I've used it myself a few times, and he would certainly know!
I've been running B&N 1.4.1 rooted for over a month using MN with no big issues. There are a few interface glitches that cause menus to appear as white on white, but that's about it.
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I've put together a guide on using his tool, plus a few other tips for those that prefer to stay with the B&N software. You certainly do not need to load CM7 to read Kindle books!
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I'm a little confused about the guide you posted. It seems like the goal of steps 1-4 is to get an unrooted 1.4.1 running, but I already have that. Do I still need to follow these steps? if not, can you give me an updated version of the guide?
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I'm a little confused about the guide you posted. It seems like the goal of steps 1-4 is to get an unrooted 1.4.1 running, but I already have that. Do I still need to follow these steps? if not, can you give me an updated version of the guide?
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Your timing is impeccable. I just updated the version over at androidforums to include some "start here" instructions. Take a look there. I'll be updating the version here when I get some time. Use the version of MN from GMPOWER's thread. I need to update those links as well (though no harm will come from using the version prior.)