I have a new Magic (32b Google/Vodafone Ed) and I am hoping this is an ok question to ask... Any help, is much appreciated!
I've been searching through forums and seeking help wherever I can and not getting anywhere fast with information I'd like.
Firstly, when I bought the phone (2nd hand) it came with Cyanogen on it.
But there were all sorts of issues and so I had to do some fast learning, to fix it.
I managed to find out how to flash the phone, and reinstall the Restore functionality on the phone......
Once that was done, I was loving it and started installing apps.
I thought I had it perfect, so decided to install a theme (I didn't know it was untested) so when I flashed it, it locked the phone into a boot loop.
I spent 24 hours trying to understand how to 'fix' it as I restored a NAND backup which wasn't mine, and ended up with the phone back to it's factory default Vodafone Android 1.6 version with the old owners picture lock code!!!
A friend ended up 'fixing' it, I believe by getting a good copy of the default OS and flashing it with the fastboot menu.
After he did that, Vodafone here released an over-air update, so the phone is now running the default HTC Android version, but on 2.2.1
What I would like to know, is before I embark on the rather terrifying task of trying to put Cyanogen back on, is what are the benefits to rooting the phone vs the risks?
I understand that the risk of 'bricking' the phone is very real, and if I screw it up, I could basically destroy the phone, but do the benefits outway the risk?
I now have been given the Goldcard, plus install files for Cyanogen the original owner used to root the phone, so I am reasonably confident that it will work fine - as it was running Cyanogen beautifully (other than a couple minor glitches) when I got the phone.
If I root the phone and install Cyanogen, what benefits do I get over the stock 2.2.1 install?
IMHO the real true benefits from rooting is the complete freedom and the ability to really make the phone your own.the question you asked has been asked so many times and truthfully the real reward comes with actually rooting the phone yourself.
1. itll free up ram on the phone allowing you to do things faster(this depend on what rom you get too)
2. you can put apps on a part of your sd card which will keep your phone going fast just dont over do it
3. overclocking and underclocking to speed it up even more
4. the themes! me personally i dont care too much for themes people complain so much about them but its whatever.
5. the customization is really endless
the real reward comes with finally exhaling that breath after you first start rooting your phone lol.
thisishoot said:
the real reward comes with finally exhaling that breath after you first start rooting your phone lol.
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Well... now that I know I'll get for sure!!! As I know how rough it was when I broke it hahaha
As for the rest, you aren't able to change things like themes without rooting??
Pretty girly I know, but that's one of the main things I really want to do with it!
Being faster would be a help too as I have found over the past few days, that sometimes it can be quite slow..... Would Cyanogen speed it up a bit?
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Well... now that I know I'll get for sure!!! As I know how rough it was when I broke it hahaha
As for the rest, you aren't able to change things like themes without rooting??
Pretty girly I know, but that's one of the main things I really want to do with it!
Being faster would be a help too as I have found over the past few days, that sometimes it can be quite slow..... Would Cyanogen speed it up a bit?
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Most stable ROM's will help with performance, CyanogenMod being one of them. The myTouch has a CPU rated for 576 MHz(if I recall correctly), but it comes from the factory underclocked at 384 MHz. Most ROM's have an OC kernel in them and will just require that you install SetCPU to control the CPU speed. As for your worries about bricking your phone, nowadays you don't even have to have a Goldcard. You can simply root with one of the many one-click root programs, use ROM Manager to flash a custom recovery (I prefer Amon Ra, but you can also use ClockworkMod) and create a backup of your untouched ROM, and then flash a new ROM from there. It's really all quite simple now IMHO, unlike when I originally rooted my phone using the Goldcard method.
hmm, is there a tut for that somewhere? As the only tutorial I have atm is the Cyanogen one which requires a Goldcard, dropping back to an older version, then rooting the phone?
I'd love to see another way of doing it?
Here's one and there's also the z4root app. You used to be able to use Universal Androot, but the exploit it used was patched in that 2.2.1 update you got.
Do you have any idea if the HTC Magic is compatible with that? As if it is, it is looking most intriguing!
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Do you have any idea if the HTC Magic is compatible with that? As if it is, it is looking most intriguing!
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All three of the methods I mentioned will work for the Magic. The one I linked should work fine.
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There was a locked thread in development where someone asked if it would work. A lot of people replied (obviously without even knowing what they are talking about) that it wouldn't work.
it DOES work on the myTouch 3G's - I just did it on one.
It works on any android phone - but the current apk implementation flashes the 1.4 cyanogen recovery image so it only works on phones that image will boot (i.e. the HTC Dream, or the Sapphire... etc)
It's way easier to apply that than it is to apply the nbh downgrade... etc.
Cool
I posted the question in a wrong area im glad someone with a mytouch tried it i bricked my first mytouch
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This worked for me also I am now on CyanogenMod v3.9.11.2 and it works very well.
TY Cyanogen!
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Works...but hesitant
This definitely works on the MT3G just tried it...whew glad it worked Still extremely hesitant on flashing new rom though. Dont know why even though I have a rooted G1. Perhaps I just love this phone too much to f*#$ it up
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There was a locked thread in development where someone asked if it would work. A lot of people replied (obviously without even knowing what they are talking about) that it wouldn't work.
it DOES work on the myTouch 3G's - I just did it on one.
It works on any android phone - but the current apk implementation flashes the 1.4 cyanogen recovery image so it only works on phones that image will boot (i.e. the HTC Dream, or the Sapphire... etc)
It's way easier to apply that than it is to apply the nbh downgrade... etc.
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Now that I think about it...If you just use this to get the recov img the MT3G still has the "perfected" spl. So exactly will this allow you to flash any new ROMs? That is why the "goldcard" was used to trick it and flash to an earlier "non-perfected" spl which would then allow you to flash ROMs updated radio etc etc etc. Shed any light on this?
I know there can be risks when doing any kind of modding/hacking. What is the main risk with rooting the MT3G? Is it mainly an issue with the battery falling out or running out of juice? Or is the rooting process invasive enough (i know it is root = can touch everything) or unstable enough that there is a relatively high probability of an issue running the canned procedure?
I have my phone, love it, my wife would kill me if I wrecked it. I just want to know how likely I am to end up with a brick using this method.
Also a question to understand this procedure, if I run the apk and reboot normally then there is no lasting root, correct? I have to go into the recovery mode and flash over a new rooted rom for root to become permanent? Does this actually change the SPL on the MT3G, does it preserve the ability to flash other roms at any time in the future? I want to know if this is a one time open up your phone for rooting or if after I do this will I always have root.
Sorry for all the questions, but I have been lurking around and haven't found definitive answers to these questions. Thanks!
Dave
Dave, Ive used this method. However if you didnt notice in my previous post...the spl does NOT change. Which is why I questioned the ability to flash any ROMs. The more "complicated" method (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=547133) requires a "goldcard" with an earlier version of the spl. Which I believe allows flashing to occur.
Yeah, I saw your post after I posted. I think this is great for a simple root I am thinking to have future rooting I will need the goldcard method anyway.
It would seem that this method should be able to modify the SPL since it is able to run as root, maybe not though...
I did mine last night and now doing my wifes MT3G and I was comparing cyanogen's vs stock and its night and day...no loading screen issues with cyan's build and keyboard response got better too...
LOL yeah Ii was thinking about the SPL if we can change it out? I kinda want to call my phone semi-rooted
so anyone flash a new spl/radio using this one click root? success? or no?
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so anyone flash a new spl/radio using this one click root? success? or no?
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Still waiting on this one also hehehe haven't seen anyone do it yet!
im debating on getting a mytouch if i can get full root in just a few clicks hmmmm definatley a positive haha. hows the mytouch work in recovery terminal? since theres no hardware keyboard?
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im debating on getting a mytouch if i can get full root in just a few clicks hmmmm definatley a positive haha. hows the mytouch work in recovery terminal? since theres no hardware keyboard?
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just use the trackball to select what you want...cant use console though (ALT-X)
Works
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so anyone flash a new spl/radio using this one click root? success? or no?
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Just did it...1.33.2005/ also S-off. this is definitely legit and makes things a hell of a lot more easier than all those damn adb commands. Dont get me wrong at all I do appreciate all the work that was done by Haykuro and the other boys because without them Im sure this wouldnt be possible. Anywho...it works.
Okay. As newb as one can get with phone mods, etc. But it actually works. I dont know what the exact benefits of it are but I am running... Mod version CyanogenMod-3.9.11.2 per about phone. All my downloads are gone but it worked. I dont know what the difference/any limitations is for down the road, in comparison to the gold card method (I hope none), with this type of root but hey it actually worked and I would have kick my own a$$ if I bricked my phone. Thanks to folks who found this way and are their any "rooted" differences now that I am on cfw using this method for say updating to cyanogens 4.0 eventual release?
Alright, I took the plunge and it worked flawlessly!
I use the 1 click install via the market app called Recovery Flasher. I installed CyanogenMod 4.0.1 Stable. Zoom zoom zoom...
I thought I may have had an issue when I rebooted after flashing since it sat at the MyTouch 3G splash for a ton longer than normal. I had read it was normal for the first boot to take longer so I didn't freak out and pull the battery. I just let it come up and now I couldn't be happier.
If I remember reading correctly CyanogenMod has the fix for the root vulnerability used in this hack to root plugged. So, now that I have a rooted ROM and recovery 1.4 will I ever need to worry about having the dreaded "Perfect SPL?"
so easy a caveman could do it! a thousand times, thank you.
so its confirmed you can FLASH a different SPL with no problem ? cuz if so im gettin a mytouch ! lol
go for it
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so its confirmed you can FLASH a different SPL with no problem ? cuz if so im gettin a mytouch ! lol
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go to town boss...now i need to get out of the stupid hero boot loop.
Thanks. I also took a chance since I got my Touch for free by Timo mistake. Couldn't resist. Aside a few apk not able to install everything works fine. Noob question, can I now format sd card?
Oh, thanks for Quick Office.
Is there anyway to return the phone back to stock condition.
Don't know why you'd ever want to???
Here is a tutorial. This website has all kinds of easy tutorials for android phones. Search around.
http://theunlockr.com/2009/08/22/how-to-unroot-your-mytouch-3g/
thanks alot .........i was unsure of what to search for
Good Noob site.
I've done most all the tutorials on that site and been pretty successful in rooting and unrooting. Use his One Click Root Procedure and use the recovery he has there it's a lot better than the old ones. He has a really good download section on there for any ROM's you might want and themes. I use Cyanogen's ROM it's really fast and doesn't make your screen all blurry or anything. I was pretty nervous about rooting my phone at first, but if you can install an operating system on a computer you definitely won't have any problems rooting your phone and installing a new ROM. I've flashed and flashed and unrooted and installed themes and haven't bricked my phone yet. I'm not a programmer or a genius by any means and I didn't break my phone yet.
Okay xda, here's a hypothetical situation I'm considering:
I'm running damagecontrol 2.08.1, and I know the official 2.1 is out now. However, I hear mixed reviews. I'd much rather be running the official update, but at the same time not too sure I want to lose root. It'd be good to hop off the root train to avoid pains like this, but then I'll be impatient when Froyo comes around I suppose. Anyways, I was wondering if it were at all possible to:
1.) Backup via Nandroid my system running 2.08.1 rooted.
2.) Update to the official non-rooted 2.1
3.) Test it out, and if I don't like it, restore to my 2.08.1 rooted via Nandroid, and have root access again.
Can anyone confirm whether or not this would work? Also for those that updated, what are your thoughts on Root-vs-Non?
You figure out how to run a nandroid backup without root, after running the Sprint RUU, and you will make 27 people on this forum VERY Happy.
not me, I was smart and didn't load it...or at least i didn't "take one for the team"
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Okay xda, here's a hypothetical situation I'm considering:
I'm running damagecontrol 2.08.1, and I know the official 2.1 is out now. However, I hear mixed reviews. I'd much rather be running the official update, but at the same time not too sure I want to lose root. It'd be good to hop off the root train to avoid pains like this, but then I'll be impatient when Froyo comes around I suppose. Anyways, I was wondering if it were at all possible to:
1.) Backup via Nandroid my system running 2.08.1 rooted.
2.) Update to the official non-rooted 2.1
3.) Test it out, and if I don't like it, restore to my 2.08.1 rooted via Nandroid, and have root access again.
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This will not work, If you upgrade to 2.1 using official Ruu, You will lose root, and it will wipe the custom recovery image, so no more flashing anything, no more root, until someone finds the clink in the htc armour to regain root
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I see, so that recovery menu isn't stock android recovery? Well then here's another question.
If you could get flash-rec on an unrooted phone through the ASTRO install method, could you flash a custom recovery image like 1.6.2, then do a nandroid restore from backup?
I probably sound like a mega-noob, just wanting to know why we can't do these things.
Nah, I "took one for the team" but am actually working on it. I DO have to say that the official 2.1 is DAMN fast though. Like, faster then pancacke 0.1 hehe
No but seriously, there is almost 0 lag, and the only thing that I have seen wrong is all of the apps in the app drawer
And no, the nandroid thing is NOT possible.
Hmm, thanks regaw for the answer. Is it fast enough to make waiting for a 2.1 rooted unnecessary right now? Cause damage hasn't logged in for ages, and I'm tired of all the force closes and errors I'm getting. I'm just not so sure it's worth upgrading when I may have to wait longer if I update to an unrooted. I mean, I have A2SD, DConfig, all those shenanigans that make the phone so much better. What's your take?
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Hmm, thanks regaw for the answer. Is it fast enough to make waiting for a 2.1 rooted unnecessary right now? Cause damage hasn't logged in for ages, and I'm tired of all the force closes and errors I'm getting. I'm just not so sure it's worth upgrading when I may have to wait longer if I update to an unrooted. I mean, I have A2SD, DConfig, all those shenanigans that make the phone so much better. What's your take?
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Well, If you would like to do anything other than what Sprint/HTC wants you to do, I would recommend NOT upgrading, but waiting for something to come out. I know that Damageless is really busy, but I know that trevE is working on things too. They just need to finalize some stuff to get it out. While official 2.1 is fast, it doesn't have a whole bunch of things that us on custom ROMs take for granted. This is my first time on an official ROM since January, and, I do not want to keep it on for long, 1) just so I can begin developing again... and 2) so I can figure out the method of getting root back for everyone who ran the RUU.
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Well, If you would like to do anything other than what Sprint/HTC wants you to do, I would recommend NOT upgrading, but waiting for something to come out. I know that Damageless is really busy, but I know that trevE is working on things too. They just need to finalize some stuff to get it out. While official 2.1 is fast, it doesn't have a whole bunch of things that us on custom ROMs take for granted. This is my first time on an official ROM since January, and, I do not want to keep it on for long, 1) just so I can begin developing again... and 2) so I can figure out the method of getting root back for everyone who ran the RUU.
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Damn it Regaw I just realzied that you have more posts than me.
Any how, good luck on finding that root.
Here is this from Millworm, But it hink Eris devs proved it was fixed long ago.
http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/9545
This one is also older, but not sure if anyone has tried it.
http://www.milw0rm.com/exploits/8678
Edit - Milw0rm must be dead.
and this, but it looks like only 2.6.30 Kernel maybe, and its just a Null Pointer exploit which is probably not suitable.
http://lwn.net/Articles/341773/
Also:
Possible way to change an MD5:
http://www.rapidleech.com/topic/2860-change-md5-hash/
Just some stuff I have looked at doing, but I am not willing to jump ship on a rooted phone.
you know I have been back and forth on whether or not to go with the official release and lose root, but during that process I loaded up Pure Hero rom which is based off the alysious (sp?) Rom but with Sense removed and man is it fast.
I have no need to lose root and this little phone is very speedy. And yes, I have tried Damage and Fresh (and a few variation based on those two) roms. Although they are decent roms, they just and turtles when compared to Pure Hero.
As far as Sense goes, I did like Sense, if you want it then do the alysious (again sp?) rom. Just that I think removing sense speeds it up, and honestly you can get all those functions through apps.
As easy as hacking psp, but then i broke the unwritten rule, i let my phone update a month ago (it said 2.2....so) which took me from the what seemed easy process of rooting a phone at 2.1 to the hard one of 2.1 update1...
downgrading back to 2.1 seemed liked a plan right cause
Code:
unrevoked.com/m
that should work then... i think and its seems almost to easy, but i just cant wrap man head around downgrading.......
I also found a easy way of doing it with the radio but my baseband version is also to high (at least from what Ive read 2 42 02 10 29)
All the stickys ive found seem to be out of date, and thats seems the case every where, i was going to use my update to get a evo instead, being new if i dont let it update it should be easy to root, but i hear after 1/30 you got to pay more, i not sure if thats counts if i activate the phone before that date tho...
so now im stuck and asking for help, somewhere to start would be mucho great. ty in advance.
Ummm......I'm lost here brother. The tutorials here work, even for the lastest update. I just did another one yesterday for a friend. Which one's have you tried?
Well see i honesly havent tried much, just been doing my homework trying to see what works, what dont, if you say these tuts are on point ill start puting everything ive gathered together and start, ill use this topic if i encounter any problems.
just alot to take in, all in one night new terms and all that...
Edit:Ok this tut http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=694572
says if i dont have 2.27.651.5 in his case 2.27.651.6 (i have 2 32 651 2) i need to downgrade with the ruu the thread provides, since it dosent mention my build number, im unsure if it matters, going to download ruu as i dont see how it will hurt so.
any advice?
Run the "One click root apk" in the themes and apps forum. Not the universal root cause that gives people problems.
One click root apk will root whatever sprint update your on. Its super easy
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.... that was all a little to easy...... well it worked i guess, wireless tether here i come, anything else i need to know?
Edit: so really the only reason i did this was for the wireless tether, my phone is the only internet i have so i hope it was worth it... but what else can/ should i do with it.... im unsur, can i get true android 2.2, and roms they what an OS, and whats froyo? kinda in over man head lol but i keep getting myself deeper...
well i will reccomend AOSP 0.9.8 it is very good rom....fast and stable...
make yourself a nand back up(you can use Rom manager from the market) wipe...flash and you are ready...
if you dont like it..you got the back up....so you can restore whatever you are running now....
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.... that was all a little to easy...... well it worked i guess, wireless tether here i come, anything else i need to know?
Edit: so really the only reason i did this was for the wireless tether, my phone is the only internet i have so i hope it was worth it... but what else can/ should i do with it.... im unsur, can i get true android 2.2, and roms they what an OS, and whats froyo? kinda in over man head lol but i keep getting myself deeper...
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told you it was super easy, your welcome. You can hit the thanks button if you want
as far as roms yes you want a custom one. yes you can get 2.2, it comes in two flavors, CM6 and AOSP. CM6 allows for lots of customizing. AOSP is the fastest rom you can download for this phone right now with everything working. Personally I would recommend AOSP. If you want to switch later you can(you probably will cause everyone does, its an addiction.)
you need to flash a custom recovery to do custom roms. easiest way to do that is download Rom manager from the market and use it to flash the clockwork mod recovery.
and Froyo is 2.2, Gingerbread is 2.3, and Eclair is 2.1.
If you have any other questions, like specifics on the process and other things check this thread first----CLICK ME
if you cant find the answer there, check the sticky at the top of the development forum.
if you cant find it there, perform a search using the box at the top of the page.
if that doesn't work, perform a google search.
If you still cant figure it out, PM me and I'll see if I can simplify it for you.
If after all that, and only after all that, you still don't have an answer. Make a thread in the Q and A forum and only that forum. And you shall find an answer.
Good luck.
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I just used z4root to root my Hero and it worked fine using the newest version (1.3 I believe) and the Permanent Root option. The only hiccup that I ran into is that z4root seemed to have gotten stuck on the "Rebooting" screen. I had let it run for about 20 min and hit the Home button then went to applications and found that SuperUser was installed and the phone is actually rooted. Been able to install ROM Manager and use Titanium Backup to remove a bunch of the Sprint and HTC apps.
As title says - how do I re-stock or waht precautions must I take to flash a Cyanogen on a HTC Desire Z (unbranded European) that has been modded and unlocked to run MIUI using com.modaco.visionary.r14 and gFree from MIUI's website, without bricking it?
And if you know a good Sense 3.5 ROM and a recovery PCIMG10.zip, do tell me
I normally have no problem with doing this myself - have flashed since G1/HTC Magic, but I'm a bit unsure about the procedure, being that I hand-flashed the eMMC with gFree pre using MIUI's tools. Thank you for your time in advance! -)
the pc10img.zip you asked for:
http://www.virtuousrom.com/2011/06/t-mobile-g2-users-migrating-to-desirez.html
about the re-stock thing, i don´t know what visionary does to our phones... so sry can´t help you in that point.
Don't understand why you would want to go back to stock in order to flash CM7 (or CM9, if that is what you are looking to do).
If your phone is S-Off and rooted (which it is if you ran Visionary and gfree, and you have MIUI on the phone) then you can flash any custom ROM. Just flash from ROM Manager, or from Recovery.
Just wanted to be sure that would work without bricking, since I used MIUI's tools after manually using gfree and visionary for S-Off and the manual eMCC-block writing. Considering stock is because its for a woman, who doesn't have a smart phone, has never used one and mainly don't like them due to the lack of keyboard. Hence I thougth stock migth be the safest way to go for the user, being her second thougths and first time user experience Many thanks for your time and answers!
Honestly, I wouldn't even worry about returning to stock s-on, etc. Majority of the people don't even know those tools exist unless they go looking for it. I'd say just flash a good ROM, and have at it.
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Honestly, I wouldn't even worry about returning to stock s-on, etc. Majority of the people don't even know those tools exist unless they go looking for it. I'd say just flash a good ROM, and have at it.
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Well, in Denmark we are quite different to the rest of the world. I own and run one of DK's largest Android portals http://www.androidgeek.dk. And we have a well-selling Android magazine that in is 3rd issue used 6 pages on covering how to gain S-OFF, flash and use ROM Manager, Super One Click, AplphaRevX and ADB ;-) And being written with step-guides my mother could follow, so I won't exactly say "most" nowadays don't know our power tools.
Knowledge is freedom - and it keeps your handset and tablet free as you wish it ;-)