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i'm running enomther's 1.8.1 ROM, with the licorice theme, and the newer radio, and intersectraven's 900mV AVS kernel...
i don't know what the cause is, but i put on the spectrum live wallpaper, and when i use the task panel widget to shut down running tasks (because i'm too lazy to turn off google listen and all the other notifications), it kills my wallpaper, and reverts it to the nexus one wallpaper (that grid looking wallpaper with the little multicolored things that cross the screen, i don't like it, tbh)
any suggestions?
timothydonohue said:
so...
i'm running enomther's 1.8.1 ROM, with the licorice theme, and the newer radio, and intersectraven's 900mV AVS kernel...
i don't know what the cause is, but i put on the spectrum live wallpaper, and when i use the task panel widget to shut down running tasks (because i'm too lazy to turn off google listen and all the other notifications), it kills my wallpaper, and reverts it to the nexus one wallpaper (that grid looking wallpaper with the little multicolored things that cross the screen, i don't like it, tbh)
any suggestions?
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You're kidding right? just exclude it from the list that is killed...I'm sorry but I don't see how that's not obvious to a "senior member"
ralexand said:
You're kidding right? just exclude it from the list that is killed...I'm sorry but I don't see how that's not obvious to a "senior member"
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A senior member does not mean you have more intelligence than everyone, it is determined by your post count. Simply because you have a high post count, does not mean your Intelligence Quotient is higher than everyone else's, or that you have lots of common sense for that matter.
You can have 1000 post, and still not have the most basic knowledge, while it may be rare - don't judge people on a forum based on something as silly as the amount of post they have.
Your a plain "member" and you didn't even use a period..
Stop using task managers. They are 100% unnecessary.
Until you get a runaway app, then they are pretty handy. They are also good for things like trapster where you want it to run in the background when you are using it but stopping it (batt hog) is easier and faster with a task killer than going to it and drilling the menu. Also with the right combination of apps running you can get slowdowns which are immediately fixed by killing some of them. I think 100% unnecessary is something I'm going to have to disagree with.
I prefer one like systempanel that gives quite a bit of information about what those pesky apps are doing to help pinpoint malefactors. I exclude most of the apps I use with even moderate frequency save a few exceptions like trapster.
krabman said:
Until you get a runaway app, then they are pretty handy. They are also good for things like trapster where you want it to run in the background when you are using it but stopping it (batt hog) is easier and faster with a task killer than going to it and drilling the menu. Also with the right combination of apps running you can get slowdowns which are immediately fixed by killing some of them. I think 100% unnecessary is something I'm going to have to disagree with.
I prefer one like systempanel that gives quite a bit of information about what those pesky apps are doing to help pinpoint malefactors. I exclude most of the apps I use with even moderate frequency save a few exceptions like trapster.
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Slowdowns? Is Cyanogen's ROM immune to these slowdowns? I have not one task manager installed, and my phone never hangs, or slows down, apps never even seem to malfunction. I'm obviously lucky.
Been the rare case for me as well. But yes, on cm I have had occasion to need to kill apps. There are a number of things which would be factors. Whether or not you shut down at night, how many apps you use, in what combination, etc. As to not encountering an app that doesnt play well with others there are only two kinds of N1 owners. Those that have had a whacked app and those that are going have a whacked app.
Still, you don't need a task manager running. If there's an errant process, you can stop it in running services.
Yeah, you can, it just takes longer. I use system panel very seldom, particularly to kill tasks. I have most tasks that I typically run regularly excluded because I understand the memory management scheme in android and know I dont need to kill tasks without reason. Having it and properly setting it up however improves the speed with which you can do so if you have a need based on the things you use like in my case with the trapster exampleyou can. Read about system panel here ----> http://androidforums.com/android-ap...task-killer-people-who-hate-task-killers.html This program is not actually a task killer although it can perform that function when needed.
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You're kidding right? just exclude it from the list that is killed...I'm sorry but I don't see how that's not obvious to a "senior member"
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thanks for the solution, not so much for being a little jerky about it.
i hadn't even thought about the wallpaper being a 'task', so it didn't occur to me to even open task panel to check it. i only use the widget.
and, i am not using it because i'm 'trying to save battery life'. i consider it legitimate use, because some programs don't play nicely together. google listen and the music
player will play over each other, for example. easier to just press the widget button and kill them than to individually open those programs up to pause them.
timothydonohue said:
thanks for the solution, not so much for being a little jerky about it.
i hadn't even thought about the wallpaper being a 'task', so it didn't occur to me to even open task panel to check it. i only use the widget.
and, i am not using it because i'm 'trying to save battery life'. i consider it legitimate use, because some programs don't play nicely together. google listen and the music
player will play over each other, for example. easier to just press the widget button and kill them than to individually open those programs up to pause them.
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If you want to save battery life, keep killing the live wallpapers. :-D
Eclair~ said:
Your a plain "member" and you didn't even use a period..
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Yeah, being a senior member doesn't mean you're good in english as well.
Mi|enko said:
If you want to save battery life, keep killing the live wallpapers. :-D
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lol, it doesn't kill the live wallpaper to a static one, it kills it to another one i don't like.
it's fine. exception added
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Yeah, being a senior member doesn't mean you're good in english as well.
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Never said it did, but good shot at irony. Ow, I'm hit. I could also say you didn't capitalize English. Unless I'm missing something, this could go on forever. I'm sure I made an error in this post as well..
lol Ok, I think I'm done here. Carry on gents.
Eclair~ said:
Never said it did, but good shot at irony. Ow, I'm hit. I could also say you didn't capitalize English. Unless I'm missing something, this could go on forever. I'm sure I made an error in this post as well..
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Lol, don't take me seriously. Err, just trying to increase post count?
Anyway I'm done here. Guy got his answer anyway.
This is obvioulsy my first android device and although cool. its a lot to get use too. I am used to having a taskmanager to close any open applications or ones running in the background. How do you to that with the Droid X? Everytime i opened an app, i just hit the home button and assume it closed. How do you close a program or an running app? Sorry if its a dumb question
You can download an app manager from the market. However, you probably don't even need to worry about that since the processor can more than likely handle the open apps. The android os is pretty good at managing your apps for you. Some people even say that the app manager messes the phone up.
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thank you...i'll just keep it the way it is then and assume the app closes when i exit to the home screen.
Another question for all the Droid X users. Is there a way to remove that little green droid that give you tips on the home screen. He is as annoying as the paperclip dude in microsoft word
nevermind...i just had to drag it down into the waste basket. i did try it before, must just not have draged it far enought donw before
Just to tell you, btw, apps in Android are notified when they get minimized so they can release resources. So say you're in a game, and you hit home, the game knows that you aren't playing anymore, so it's not just sitting on the menu eating resources.
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nevermind...i just had to drag it down into the waste basket. i did try it before, must just not have draged it far enought donw before
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All that does is remove it from the home screen, it doesn't kill the app.
nindoja said:
All that does is remove it from the home screen, it doesn't kill the app.
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i understand, i just wanted to have it off the homescreen....maybe replace it with a nice digital clock widget.
Another winmo convert like myself? Just laughing as this is what I was doing all day yesterday.
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Two recommended Task Managers are TasKiller (I use) and ATK / Advanced Task Killer (my wife uses). Both are spoken highly of around here.
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Just to tell you, btw, apps in Android are notified when they get minimized so they can release resources. So say you're in a game, and you hit home, the game knows that you aren't playing anymore, so it's not just sitting on the menu eating resources.
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Sorry so are you saying that android automaticaly kills the program when you exit out or say hit home? If so is apps like taskkillers really necessary and why do people have them?
No, task killers aren't necessary, and generally people only have them because they don't know any better. Having loads of free memory will do nothing to increase your performance because most apps don't require much, and the very reason Android keeps them in memory is to reduce loading times. Unused RAM is wasted RAM. Android will automatically kill old tasks if it needs to free up memory, so trying to micromanage and preemptively kill tasks yourself is a waste of time and will only make your experience worse. Poorly designed "automatic" task killers from the Market can even decrease your battery performance, so be wary.
I may fall into the "don't know any better" crowd since this is my first android phone, but I'd had the voice recognition app lock up on me a few times and using the task killer to end the app and restart it was the only way I could get it running again.
Unless you have any way I could have done that, it seems to me that task killer has its uses.
You can kill tasks and services from stock Android's Applications menu under Settings.
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Sorry so are you saying that android automaticaly kills the program when you exit out or say hit home? If so is apps like taskkillers really necessary and why do people have them?
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Because whoever builds the ROMs for these phones thinks that having built in apps you never use running in the background is a good idea.
DroidX for instance launches a whole bunch of apps on boot you are not using, no need to have them tying up memory.
Even some relaunch themselves in the background when other apps are opened.
So to answer your question, the default ROMs that ship with the phones are generally sloppy. You dont NEED a task killer but it helps speed up the device.
Its like getting a cheap HP or Dell computer from Best Buy, they load it up with some much crap you have to re-image or uninstall all the software you dont need.
You can't unfortunately uninstall the programs that are locked by the ROM.
The only app manager I use is System Panel from the Market. I only used it before on my Eris to monitor memory and battery life. I use it on my X now for informational purposes, because the X is so much faster than the Eris was, which I loved by the way.
Tl;dr its good for monitoring, but above posters are right, mostly unnecessary.
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So I just picked up a pair of evo's yesterday.
I got my fiance a white one and me a black one.
I'm new to the whole android scene but not to the hacking scene. I came from the palm pre which lets face it sucks if you don't hack it.
But I was wondering what are some must have apps and/or widgets for the evo.
For me and my fiance alike.
I got a task killer and sms popup and some stuff like that. But what else is there that is going to really make this phone shine?
Let me know. OH and I got the xda app so don't worry about suggesting it lol
And I've used xda in the past with my old windows mobile dash/exaclibur. It's a great community.
Please use the Q&A section. It's there for a reason.
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If someone would be kind enough to move this for me that would be awesome. I didn't see that question and answers thread at the time of posting this. My bad.
Just do some research.
Task killers are a no no.
There are 70,000 apps to choose from, to each their own. Check out appbrain.com for reviews etc.
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Please use the Q&A section. It's there for a reason.
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[sarcasm] excellent response, junior [/sarcasm]
For one, give up on the task killers now. They are redundant and do more harm than good. Task killers are good for one thing in an android device, closing a problem app. Android does a great job of managing tasks all on its own.
My must haves:
Handcent (be sure to disable notifications in the stock messaging app)
Audio Manager
DocsToGo
Root Explorer
Google Earth
Google Voice (I use it for vvm only)
Dropbox
Pandora
Shazam
System Panel
ShootMe
Wireless Tether for Root Users (now in the market )
What's wrong with task killers? I'll take it off cause I trust you guys but just wondering what is the problem with them?
Barcode Scanner
Apps Organizer - Put apps in folders instead of having one long list
Systray Monitor - See percentage of battery left in toolbar
LED Desire Light - lets you use the flash for your camera as a flash light
Google Sky Map
Dolphin Browser - better browser
Shazam - recognizes songs
Pandora
Music Junk - can find just about any song
guitarjockey said:
What's wrong with task killers? I'll take it off cause I trust you guys but just wondering what is the problem with them?
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Do some searching, you will find plenty of good reading on the subject. You may even start in one of the older device forums, there was a lot of discussion on the subject in the CDMA Hero section.
Android manages it's ram and it does it quite well. A task killer is just another app that is always running, it's completely unnecessary and if you don't set it up right you might be killing stuff that you need.
If you want more detail than that I'm sure it will be VERY easy to find..
@xHausx, fwiw I used to be a huge fan of SysTray Monitor but I learned it runs rampant and uses more juice than it deserves. Unless they have updated it to perform more efficiently I had to drop that one from my must haves list when I had my Hero.
I use a task killer and have had good results with it, I just have it ignore everything except stuff I know is not needed and kill it when I am done. If you kill everything stuff will be constantly restarting and draining your battery
nebenezer got most of the must have apps. However, one app you MUST get is AppBrain. Its also a website. What it does is you go to www.appbrain.com, log in with your gmail account, get the app from the android market and then you can surf the Android market through a web browser and select which apps you want. Then go to your phone, open AppBrain, select Manage my apps, and sync. Then you can install all the apps that you just saw on your PC. Very handy and much easier than surfing the entire market on your phone.
Basically, you will want a file explorer like Root Explorer (only useful if you are rooted (which I recommend you do)), Astro File Manager, ect.
If you dont like the Sense UI that comes with your HTC Evo or if you would like to try something else, some other home applications are available. My fav is LauncherPro but another great one is ADW.Launcher. These apps replace your entire home screen and interface with highly customizable interfaces that can be themed and tailored to your expectations.
The stock music app sucks imo. doubleTwist is a great player to replace it until we get froyo.
Another must is Screebl Lite. This app detects how you are holding your phone and will prevent the screen from sleeping until you set it down so that its resting at a 90* angle or a 180* angle and with this you can have the phone's timer set very low to allow for excellent power savings. Mine's set at 15 sec so when Im reading something on the internet, I dont have to keep tapping my screen so that the screen wont dim, turn off, and lock on me.
Here is the list of Apps I use a lot and are must haves for me:
Barcode Scanner
Torrent-fu
Gmail Unread Count
Screebl Lite
doubleTwist Player
Handcent SMS
Dropbox
AppBrain App Market
Pandora Radio
AudioManager Widget
Engadget
ASTRO FileManager
Gmote 2.0 <~ Very cool app if you like to watch stuff on your PC from your bed or couch.
Places Directory
SwitchPro Widget
LauncherPro Beta
XDA
System
Lastly, the whole speculation on task killers is kinda iffy. Some ppl think that killing tasks hurts the battery cause the apps will just then have to restart and that uses more CPU cycles than just leaving it running in the background, and in theory they are right. With a stock, unrooted, HTC Evo, you are going to have bloatware constantly restarting if you use a taskkiller. I used one anyways cause I multitask like a champ and when I finished my session, I ended it with a task killer and then locked my phone and went about my business. Now, what you need to do is pay for and use a program called 'System'. Its amazing. It will show you all the apps running in the foreground, background, system apps, and user set excluded apps. System shows how much CPU time apps are using and how much of a drain it puts on your battery for a period of time which is set by you, the user. It can monitor and show apps that eat battery like a fat kid at mcdonalds. With System, you can add apps to an "excluded" list so that they arnt killed when you run the taskkiller. Very handy app.
Hope this helps. tl;dr.
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I use a task killer and have had good results with it, I just have it ignore everything except stuff I know is not needed and kill it when I am done. If you kill everything stuff will be constantly restarting and draining your battery
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You should definitely check out an app called autostarts, you'd probably like it
HOW COULD I HAVE FORGOTTEN TO MENTION LauncherPro?????
so embarrassing
Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this question, but the threads I've seen after searching are completely over my head.
So I'm a noob with Android phones and I downloaded Advance Task Killer.
I killed all tasks before putting my phone on charge and after about an hour of not touching the phone, I checked and there were loads of tasks running...even from apps that I haven't even used today.
Can someone please explain how it works? Why do apps just randomly start running?
Thanks in advance.
this link should help, basically froyo closed the loop hole app killers used to use to shutdown other apps. further reading suggests app killers arent really necessary
http://androinica.com/2010/08/09/froyo-update-kills-android-task-killer-apps/
Thanks for this....very interesting. I'll delete that then
The taskmanager that comes pre-installed with the phone seems useless...
Reason being is that when it's used to close apps to free ram, seconds after it's as it was before...
Supposing my used ram is 474mb. I then clear the memory at which then the task manager reports used ram as just 273mb.....
When checking the task manager literally minutes after it will then read 474mb or higher.
This is even when the phone has not been touched & was left on idle.
So please tell me the point in having a task manager that kills apps which then simply open again moments later....
Task manager exists to Effin close the apps for good, not have then "tabbed-out" and sit there and drain battery / Ram. Man, some people are oblivious.
Edit: abd apps dont open by themselfs after, geez. Its the system (THE PHONE) that takes from Ram to actually /run/ and function
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Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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BazookaAce said:
Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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Clearly someone doesn't KNOW how to read...
Since when did I mention a task killer? I am referring to the STOCK task manager that comes PRE-INSTALLED on the phone.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, learn to read...
All I'm saying is that the task manager doesn't seem effective...
hey mr angry pants, task killer and task manager are the same thing, the only thing a task manager can do is "kill" a task
bamboo12 said:
hey mr angry pants, task killer and task manager are the same thing, the only thing a task manager can do is "kill" a task
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Yes I know, but BazookaAce referred to a task killer, a third party app in which I didn't mention.
I simply stated my opinion and I did not have a go at anyone & neither was I rude.
So for a simple opinion I get trolls having a go at ME making statements such as I know nothing about android and being oblivious.
Seems you can't express your own opinons without getting trolled on...
Why must people be so rude and have a go at you?
I have a right to be angry...
If someone disagrees with my statement, then let it be. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong but If I disagreed with someones statement why should I become rude and fight?
Why is it so wrong if I simply stated I feel the task manager is useless? There is no need to get rude...
what the task manager does is kill everything except for the bare OS. then when you go to home, it will rebuffer all your widgets and icons back into the ram, and will reload any background processes that are required to run the widgets.
occasionally when you run an app and close it, it will leave the process running in the background, taking up ram unnecessarily. an example would be something like tap tap revenge, android market, music player, facebook, the crappy polish media player that came with my phone even though i never used it, etc.
normally, unless you have a task killer or task manager app, these apps will remain hogging up ram until you kill it. even if you use the market or music player once and then close it, it may remain running or may have a background process that remains running. what clear memory does is it removes all of these little annoying processes from the memory and just restores the OS back to its bare ram usage again.
this is useful for when you want to play a game or use an app that requires a lot of ram (ie. dungeon defenders) and you dont want it to crash on you when youre making an ingame purchase because you ran out of ram. you can clear your ram of junk first and then run the game, leaving you with more ram available for the game data.
task killers are silly because people often program them to kill apps that are designed to reopen themselves anyway, which puts the app in a reboot loop that drains more battery.
if you want to permanently stop a process from hogging up ram, you'd have to root your phone, run titanium backup and freeze the useless processes.
Thank you so much Souai for your response, you provided some useful information with regards on how task managers work...
Unlike a few others who were unhelpful I appreciate your post and detailed explanation.
Will hit the ''thanks'' button.
As for Titanium backup, I've heard of it but not tried it. Once my phone has been rooted I will give the application a try.
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Well i can tell you from experience that task killers DO work.
Before i put the phone in my pocket, i run it, saves battery drainage.
And when the phone begins to lag, i run it, and it runs smooth again.
So whatever all those articles tell you, i experience the opposite.
P.S. I'm rooted