This is obvioulsy my first android device and although cool. its a lot to get use too. I am used to having a taskmanager to close any open applications or ones running in the background. How do you to that with the Droid X? Everytime i opened an app, i just hit the home button and assume it closed. How do you close a program or an running app? Sorry if its a dumb question
You can download an app manager from the market. However, you probably don't even need to worry about that since the processor can more than likely handle the open apps. The android os is pretty good at managing your apps for you. Some people even say that the app manager messes the phone up.
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thank you...i'll just keep it the way it is then and assume the app closes when i exit to the home screen.
Another question for all the Droid X users. Is there a way to remove that little green droid that give you tips on the home screen. He is as annoying as the paperclip dude in microsoft word
nevermind...i just had to drag it down into the waste basket. i did try it before, must just not have draged it far enought donw before
Just to tell you, btw, apps in Android are notified when they get minimized so they can release resources. So say you're in a game, and you hit home, the game knows that you aren't playing anymore, so it's not just sitting on the menu eating resources.
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nevermind...i just had to drag it down into the waste basket. i did try it before, must just not have draged it far enought donw before
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All that does is remove it from the home screen, it doesn't kill the app.
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All that does is remove it from the home screen, it doesn't kill the app.
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i understand, i just wanted to have it off the homescreen....maybe replace it with a nice digital clock widget.
Another winmo convert like myself? Just laughing as this is what I was doing all day yesterday.
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Two recommended Task Managers are TasKiller (I use) and ATK / Advanced Task Killer (my wife uses). Both are spoken highly of around here.
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Just to tell you, btw, apps in Android are notified when they get minimized so they can release resources. So say you're in a game, and you hit home, the game knows that you aren't playing anymore, so it's not just sitting on the menu eating resources.
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Sorry so are you saying that android automaticaly kills the program when you exit out or say hit home? If so is apps like taskkillers really necessary and why do people have them?
No, task killers aren't necessary, and generally people only have them because they don't know any better. Having loads of free memory will do nothing to increase your performance because most apps don't require much, and the very reason Android keeps them in memory is to reduce loading times. Unused RAM is wasted RAM. Android will automatically kill old tasks if it needs to free up memory, so trying to micromanage and preemptively kill tasks yourself is a waste of time and will only make your experience worse. Poorly designed "automatic" task killers from the Market can even decrease your battery performance, so be wary.
I may fall into the "don't know any better" crowd since this is my first android phone, but I'd had the voice recognition app lock up on me a few times and using the task killer to end the app and restart it was the only way I could get it running again.
Unless you have any way I could have done that, it seems to me that task killer has its uses.
You can kill tasks and services from stock Android's Applications menu under Settings.
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Sorry so are you saying that android automaticaly kills the program when you exit out or say hit home? If so is apps like taskkillers really necessary and why do people have them?
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Because whoever builds the ROMs for these phones thinks that having built in apps you never use running in the background is a good idea.
DroidX for instance launches a whole bunch of apps on boot you are not using, no need to have them tying up memory.
Even some relaunch themselves in the background when other apps are opened.
So to answer your question, the default ROMs that ship with the phones are generally sloppy. You dont NEED a task killer but it helps speed up the device.
Its like getting a cheap HP or Dell computer from Best Buy, they load it up with some much crap you have to re-image or uninstall all the software you dont need.
You can't unfortunately uninstall the programs that are locked by the ROM.
The only app manager I use is System Panel from the Market. I only used it before on my Eris to monitor memory and battery life. I use it on my X now for informational purposes, because the X is so much faster than the Eris was, which I loved by the way.
Tl;dr its good for monitoring, but above posters are right, mostly unnecessary.
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Hi
Ive just got this app (really to save myself some battery time)
On launching for the first time it presents me with a whole bunch of stuff including my clocks
Now i'm sure this maybe a pretty dumb question but if i kill the htc clock App will that stop the time and weather updating correctly? (i have my weather set to update hourly) and also if i kill any app like K-9 or Peep (that i have an update schedule set for) will it stop that schedule till i manually launch the app again or will it auto launch when it reaches the sheduled update time?
Sorry for the (potentially) stupid questions
Cheers
The only thing you're going to achieve with using a task killer, is lowering performance and causing even worse battery drain. If that's what you want to do, fine, but otherwise, I wouldn't bother if I were you.
Here's why:
Android's memory management is nothing like Windows Mobile. Applications you've finished with are MEANT to stay in memory until they really are completely finished with, and just because YOU aren't using them, doesn't mean the phone has. If they've been inactive long enough, or some other program needs the RAM, Android will tidily close them down.
If you close them prematurely, then Android will have to load them back up again, so that whatever was using said program's services, can continue to function. This noticeably affects phone performance, and puts an extra load on your battery. Do you REALLY want to do that?
I'm not using any task killers, and my phone runs great, and battery is up to 2.5 days.
Hmm interesting, i might try that, im killing all instantly and repeately, thanks for the tip
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The only thing you're going to achieve with using a task killer, is lowering performance and causing even worse battery drain. If that's what you want to do, fine, but otherwise, I wouldn't bother if I were you.
Here's why:
Android's memory management is nothing like Windows Mobile. Applications you've finished with are MEANT to stay in memory until they really are completely finished with, and just because YOU aren't using them, doesn't mean the phone has. If they've been inactive long enough, or some other program needs the RAM, Android will tidily close them down.
If you close them prematurely, then Android will have to load them back up again, so that whatever was using said program's services, can continue to function. This noticeably affects phone performance, and puts an extra load on your battery. Do you REALLY want to do that?
I'm not using any task killers, and my phone runs great, and battery is up to 2.5 days.
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Thats correct.
I installed it on the phone, and the battery was empty the same night
Uninstalled it, and all works fine now.
Greetz.
would an app like task panel work?
you can add apps that are system apps etc to the ignore list and have apps such as games on the force to kill list or is it just best not to have any task killer apps installed at all?
its strange that there are so many task killer apps and its bad to run on your device. There must be some reason as to why there is an app for this purpose?
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would an app like task panel work?
you can add apps that are system apps etc to the ignore list and have apps such as games on the force to kill list or is it just best not to have any task killer apps installed at all?
its strange that there are so many task killer apps and its bad to run on your device. There must be some reason as to why there is an app for this purpose?
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They exist, because people think memory management on Android works like it does on Windows Mobile. It doesn't, and never has. Think if it like the so called "memory manager" tools you can get for XP that claim to be able to free all your RAM and speed up your system... Every single one of them is nothing but a placebo designed to part you from your cash, and often end up CAUSING problems, just like task killers on Android do.
Avoid them.
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They exist, because people think memory management on Android works like it does on Windows Mobile. It doesn't, and never has. Think if it like the so called "memory manager" tools you can get for XP that claim to be able to free all your RAM and speed up your system... Every single one of them is nothing but a placebo designed to part you from your cash, and often end up CAUSING problems, just like task killers on Android do.
Avoid them.
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Guess thats a good enough reply lol
task killers can work fine, but you need to know what is running and what is using it.
for example, if you have the music widget on the homescreens, then the music player process will be opne in the background.
likewise friendstream will keep people, facebook and twitter open in the background.
if you kill those processes, they will just get opened again.
As long as you are careful, using task managers will not decrease battery life, you just need to know how to use them properly. randomly killing everything in the background is NOT the way to do it.
and you should never close clock if you want your alarm clock to actually go off!!
Might be worth making a list of what apps should be ignored and what apps can be forced killed?
When i had an app killer installed, i used to only force kill games and sat nav apps, the rest i asked it to ignore but after reading this thread, i decided to delete the app killer app =)
Ive put a bunch of stuff like clock, weather, Peep and facebook etc on the ignore list and have used the task killer to only kill off frivolous apps like Spark (for xbox friends) streamfurious, photos etc...Nothing Major!
I unhooked my phone from the power at 7:30 am on the 13th April, its now 16:36 on the 14th april and it still has 30% of the juice left, and i always have wifi and mobile data connection on too...phone is always left on with facebook connecting ever 4 hrs and peep once a day and mail set for every 2 hrs (besides which i do check and update them manually a couple of times a day)
I'll try all this without task killer installed and test how long the phone can run before charging
As you say, it could well be a combination of the battery coming up to speed and a placebo effect.
However, surely it cant do more harm than good to kill an app like Spark !
However, im no Phone Genius so im sure someone will soon tell me that im completely wrong
But so far so good....like i said, ill test things without task killer installed
I've stopped using the task killer now and my battery life has improved very noticably.
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I've stopped using the task killer now and my battery life has improved very noticably.
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im not so sure about this.
im using a task killer when i want to close the browser or something using internet, as we all know internet drains a lot of battery and even if the browser or market is in the background it still probably has some active connections = draining battery
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im using a task killer when i want to close the browser or something using internet, as we all know internet drains a lot of battery and even if the browser or market is in the background it still probably has some active connections = draining battery
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
Binned this app in favour of Juice defender, my new battery saving app of choice, seems to be working as it should too...nice
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If you want to close fast the browser or any app, you should have a try at taskOS and launch it with the search key whenever you want...
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but then that works pretty much like a task killer
can anyone correct me about the apps i.e. browser using internet while not active(in background) is this true or not? of course having the sync/updates turned off
Task killers can be handy for those times when apps seem to have crashed but aren't forcing close. for example, i've had times where ebuddy just doesn't want to even try to sign in. Task kill it. Try again. all is well. And last my internet browser wouldn't let me click any buttons. Again, killed it - restarted - all is ok.
I've had to use such an app countless of times due to unwanted/unneeded apps running, hanging FCs and black screens, checking/closing net related or sensor using apps, and numerous times when 300KB apps wouldn't install citing 'low memory' when I have more than 70MB free, but it was the RAM being near full causing FCs in apps like Market, and halting the installs. I only use Androids built-in TaskPanel widget for this though. Everything routine is set over to the ignore list so that I don't accidently hit and close that (single hit closes the app). Additionally I use this app to check and to switch to an opened application that is running (when it's not in the recent list).
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This is the route I've taken naturally. I'm using jkAppSwitch on my longpress search key, mainly used for switching but can be used to kill problem apps.
Full task killers are being proven to be useless on the Desire.
I would recommend using an app that monitors the cpu usage(watchdog etc.). This way your can see which apps put a drain on your phone.
Thank you for the information. But I do notice a considerable improvement in battery power with Advanced Task Killer.
I hope someone can provide me an answer.
If you have touchwiz still running, long press on the screen and add a samsung widget then program monitor. It's pretty basic but it does the job and lets you know if something is eating up cpu/memory. It erl change to red when something is misbehaving, so you can go in there and shut it down. I use it quite often and haven't had any problems so far. I know, I know, you shouldn't use task killers. This one is "built in", does that still mean it's bad to have/use?
Maybe, but maybe because that kind of app is so popular, samsung decided to put one in there.
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If you have touchwiz still running, long press on the screen and add a samsung widget then program monitor. It's pretty basic but it does the job and lets you know if something is eating up cpu/memory. It erl change to red when something is misbehaving, so you can go in there and shut it down. I use it quite often and haven't had any problems so far. I know, I know, you shouldn't use task killers. This one is "built in", does that still mean it's bad to have/use?
Maybe, but maybe because that kind of app is so popular, samsung decided to put one in there.
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I use it a lot actually..its at the center of my main home screen...I personally don't like too many applications running at the same time even if the phone can handle it...If i'm not using an app or see on eating battery I kill it.its very convenient.
For apps that just start back up again that weren't actually consuming any CPU, you can actually make battery life worse, since it's more expensive to kill + reload the app than to just leave it running.
Another way to access the task manager is to long press on the home button. You'll see your recent apps and the button for the task manager This way you can still use it if you load up launcher pro like me (widget no longer available).
I really love the System Manager!
Its been said a million times that task managers aren't necessary but I still close apps once I am done with them. I used Advanced Task Killer constantly on my Nexus, but for some reason it froze up my Epic.....
The stock System Manager is nice because it doesn't show system programs that need to stay open.
I Thought on 2.1 it's still beneficial to use an app killer? obviously if you're going to open the program up constantly, just leave it. But I'm pretty sure it's froyo 2.2 where an app killer is not recommended.
I love it and use it but sometimes have an issue with it closing the wrong program when I tap end. idk what's up with that but it can be annoying
Ok a very general question but why is it so hard to exit an application with android!
This is my first android phone and I love it, I will never use another phone type.
My previous phones where windows mobile and closing an application was pretty simple.
With android it's easier to just turn the phone off each night and back on but I would really like to end an application when I want to.
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You need to read up on the subject a lot more.
In a nutshell, Android keeps programs in memory for quick retrieval. If a program goes unused, it eventually gets killed to make room for other executed programs.
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Ok a very general question but why is it so hard to exit an application with android!
This is my first android phone and I love it, I will never use another phone type.
My previous phones where windows mobile and closing an application was pretty simple.
With android it's easier to just turn the phone off each night and back on but I would really like to end an application when I want to.
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this isnt windows mobile dude... read up on how android works..
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Ok a very general question but why is it so hard to exit an application with android!
This is my first android phone and I love it, I will never use another phone type.
My previous phones where windows mobile and closing an application was pretty simple.
With android it's easier to just turn the phone off each night and back on but I would really like to end an application when I want to.
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as some of the other users have said, android isn't same as windows or iphone ... its based on linux and unlike windows, the memory management is much different in linux
whereas in windows, it is better to have extra free memory and this actually speeds up applications etc, in linux it is the exact opposite ... linux will take care of memory management itself and likes to keep things in memory for longer in case you ever decide to open the same application again.
so in a nutshell, as you're new to android stay away from 'app killer' apps, as your'e doing more harm than good ... it might look nice having 300megs of free memory, but you'll notice a considerable decrease in speed as every time you will doing anything, the OS has to load that app into memory ... whereas if you leave it alone, you will only notice decreased performance once in a blue moon when you open up some ridiculously big app that the linux OS has to remove more than normal amounts of stuff from memory to make room for this obnoxious app ...
anyways, to answer your main question ... this is the main reason why you can't really exit an app ... and that is why multitasking is awesome ...
Thanks for the advice. I have a much better understanding of it now.
I was looking at a task manager app but will avoid them now based on your explanation.
Sorry for the delay in getting back. Couldn't access xda.
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what about apps you dont want to use but are always active? like msn messenger or palringo ?
@Psycho
In this case you can use a taskmanager to kill a specific app, not all thing in the memory.
like a do.
I think it's been confirmed, that task killing applications aren't necessary--and infact, use more cpu/battery power; opening and closing an app is far more intensive, than reopening it from memory.
You're best bet is to just leave the phone the way it is, in regards to application/task management. My fascinate did however come stock with a task manager, to force close anything I don't want--I use it rarely.
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what about apps you dont want to use but are always active? like msn messenger or palringo ?
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even in this case, if the app was developed properly you can simply leave them alone. because the app would be running in 'background' mode it wouldn't be using negligible battery if any at all.
however, there is the rare case where the developers will act idiotic and force the app to run in 'foreground' mode even when its in the background, and in that case you can either use a task manager to only kill that specific app or go into the application settings and force close that app manually.
you can, on most occasions, figure out which app was developed with background and foreground running in mind when you check the battery usage. no one app should be higher than 1 or 2 percent over a long period of time, unless its an app that you're actually using exclusively for a long time, such as a game or maps app.
if you see any app that is higher than 5%, either simply get rid of it or use the task manager to kill it whenver you're done with it because thats a pretty good indicator that the developer didn't code it properly and is forcing the OS to keep the app running.
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In this case you can use a taskmanager to kill a specific app, not all thing in the memory.
like a do.
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I just uninstall such apps. I understand that Titanium Backup can uninstall "system" applications. I just use a shell script. But then, I've been a UNIX junkie for 20 years.
sign out of messenger apps, don't kill them..
Should I Use a Task Killer?
@psycho.. and everybody else:
Check out an app in the market called autostarts. It's not an task killer, it's an task preventer. Once you set it up it just keeps the apps you specify from even running in the first place.
Android does a great job of managing the background but if I don't need an app but maybe once every week or two (gmaps) I'd prefer it didn't even start every time I boot my phone. Another example is that I love the photobucket app, but I don't actually need it to start up every time I take a picture.
I don't kill apps with a task killer, but I still think all apps should have an Exit option.
There are times when you know you're done with an app, don't want the state preserved for next time, and want to make damn sure all its resources are released.
If you want to preserve the state and come back later, back out or hit Home.
If you don't, then use Exit.
Nothing to do with task killers, just a simple app design decision.
I'm seeing maybe 20% of apps have this.
The OS does a pretty good job of deciding which apps should possess which recourses. If an app is particularly hungry for resources and is of the type that is should relinquish those resources when able, the developer should take that into account. A wise developer will know this and develop his or her app accordingly. A foolish developer assumes his or her app is the only app in the universe and doesn't give a damn about the user. In an open environment like the android platform, where the user gets to decide what is best, the wise developer wins.
So Samsung for whatever reason, decides it's a good idea to include an easy to access task manager with a giant "kill all tasks" button in TouchWiz. It seems like everyone I know, that has a Galaxy S II, has adopted a certain behavior due this. What they do is, every time they put their phone away, they will automatically go to this task manager and kill all tasks, before locking the phone. When I ask them why the hell they're doing that, the answer is usually something like "wasting battery blah blah blah" or "wasting CPU blah blah blah"... NO!
For starters:
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
http://www.infoworld.com/t/smartphones/myth-android-devices-need-task-killers-609
http://androinica.com/2010/05/googl...-imply-task-killermanager-apps-are-pointless/
People that are doing this, educate yourself. And Samsung, well done for encouraging this.
Just because a task is in memory, doesn't mean it's doing anything, and certainly doesn't mean it's using up battery. If it's staying in memory, it's because there's no need to release it just yet. If you start it up again, it will already be there, and load up faster. The alternative is, you keep killing it, and every time you run it again, it will have to reinitialize and reload everything. Which option do you think is actually going to cost more battery?
The whole thing with people saying "oh no it's using CPU, i must kill it"... what?! If it's using CPU, it's probably doing something. Why the hell are you killing a process while it's in the middle of doing something? Do you not care about data integrity at all? It could have been in the middle of syncing, or in the middle of a write operation who knows.
If you run other applications and your memory runs low, then Android will close it. And it will close it properly, as opposed to you force killing it, denying it of any chance to clean up.
Obviously there are rare exceptions with dodgy programs. But most of the time, the tasks being killed are system apps, or trustworthy apps, properly written by Google or Samsung.
If you're not a developer, you probably won't understand the whole Android application lifecycle.
http://developer.android.com/reference/android/app/Activity.html
By force closing an application, you're not allowing it to run its onStop() and onDestroy() functions. This is where apps do all the clean up, releasing resources, unregistering things, closing connections etc.
Do you do this on your PC. Open up Windows task manager, and just kill any task that's using CPU. Or hell, just kill all tasks every 2 minutes! Good luck with that.
This has probably been said hundreds of times, but a lot of people i know are getting GSII's and I see them doing this constantly. It's stupid. Do you really think they designed the operating system so that you have to kill everything each time you touch it?
TLDR: Stop "killing all tasks" (unless theres actually something wrong) and well done Samsung for encouraging this. Just stupid.
Damn your right, I never used a task killer on previous android phones, but for some reason I have got into the habit of doing it now. So I'm going to kill that habit. Well noticed
Well according to the user guide (the full one from Samsung's website)... though personally I don't bother killing anything
Use the task manager › ›
Your device is a multitasking device. It can run more than one application at the same time. However, multitasking may cause hang-ups, freezing, memory problems, or additional power consumption. To avoid these problems, end unnecessary programs using the task manager.
1 In Idle mode, open the application list and select Task manager → Active applications.
The list of all the applications currently running on your device appears.
2 To close an application, select Exit.To close all active applications, select Exit all.
i like the placebo effect and stop telling me what i have to do or not to do!
your writing style is to aggressive, stop being aggressive!
For me, it is worth to have the clear memory option because I already faced the glitch or bugs program which cause my phone to run constantly at 1.2ghz and this will cause my phone become extremely hot. I can't see what application is running but for some reason, the cpu gone crazy. It drain battery in no time. With the simple one click button, I can closed the programs without need to restart the phone. Yes, generally I will let the android system to handle the application by itself but I still think it was a good moved by samsung to have task manager if we use it in proper way...
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Well it's not all that bad, with 2 cores one core can easily come into a deadlock and the device will continue to function albeit much slower and consuming a lot of power, when this happens in the taskmanager the processes are listed red
Thanks ever so for much for this post I have just got my first Android phone and thought by doing this it would increase the battery life a tad but did kinda think it was a bit daft having a system that required manually killing tasks. Coming from a Windows 6.1 XDA Zest I am still getting my head round an OS that's doesn't require hours on Internet to work out how to do things.
Sad, but true, I was getting onto Android from Symbian, and first thing after I realised that I do not have option of killing all apps, I have installed the task killer and kept using it for like a week, then I've read one of the articles about it, that its wrong, and that Android is not working as Symbian nor Windows, so I realised that I dont need to do that... unninstalled it and not using it at all since
You don't need Task manager / killer if only all android applications are developed by good programmers that implement Android application lifecycle properly.
The problem is not all applications are developed this way. Some application may buggy / in beta stage that still consuming processing time even they are in background.
Task manager is still useful to close nasty program manually. But I do agree, auto-kill is useless and can cause battery drain and system instability.
Yep .. it's mostly services what eats battery. And there is poor control over that. It would be interesting to see what service was active at what time, or even how much battery did it use. All battery discussions are about guessing what is running in the background and how often and how much. We should not guess such things.
As far as I'm concerned an in built task manager is just as important as an in built modem right now. There are far too many unstable applications out there that hang up and Android can never fully deal with them(despite what research may or may not have been done in the past).
I have a few games installed on my S2(namely Pool Break Pro & TNA iMPACT!) that crash quite often and require the use of the task manager to manually end those programs(they are in the task manager highlighted in red when they have stalled).
However, what I will say is that the button to clear memory in the RAM manager really shouldn't be there at all. The task manager alone is more than enough to manually exit necessary apps that crash and stay open for no reason.
I like to have the ability to close programs easily at hand. It gives me better control over "rogue" apps. I only use it for a few programs though, like the Engadget app. It seems to be poorly coded, often using 40-50% CPU when running in the background.
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I like it because it lets me close frozen apps quicker..
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i like the placebo effect and stop telling me what i have to do or not to do!
your writing style is to aggressive, stop being aggressive!
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Lol yes. Not to be taken too seriously.
Force closing apps with the task manager when somethings wrong with the phone or closing broken apps makes sense. I'm just talking about people that instinctively press the close all apps button every time they use the phone for a second. It's just silly. Basically doing what those automatic task killing apps do.
I use to kill opera everytime i'm done with browsing because even in idle mode the phone gets very hot when opera runs in the backgtound. But after these explanstions i stop force killing every app
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If a program is badly written and won't stay idle, then kill it.
I am very selective about what I install, and never kill or need to kill anything.
You have 1 GB of ram on this phone. If you want best battery and speed, don't kill anything. loading a running app from ram uses less power than starting from scratch and booting it from nand, then starting it up.
So if apps are well written, don't kill them. If stuff stays around causing drain, kill it individually but find a better app
This thread is spot on... for the most part. Like Pulser said, there are apps when idling/cached, cause detrimental effects like the one I detailed here causing your phone to stay Awake constantly and draining battery:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094666
ATK isn't the most elegant method, but it allows you to put everything else on ignore and have it actively kill the apps that love to stay cached and cause issues even after you've exited out of them.
Is there a way to "lock" some apps into a memory so they never quit by the android OS except if I would decide to?
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You have a valid point, but most of the time those apps don't do anything critical that it would hurt to interrupt. I usually prefer to exit them normally, but sometimes I just kill it, like when I forgot the Messages / Internet open. No need to paranoia though, leaving a few open won't kill your battery.
PINki92 said:
Is there a way to "lock" some apps into a memory so they never quit by the android OS except if I would decide to?
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That's exactly what I needed. There are some apps, like SetCPU, TB, Root Explorer, which can be added to SuperUser authorization and it won't get killed by anything unless someone manually kills it. I'd really really like to know how to add an app under SuperUser or anything which will do the job to add the app in to the OS and which can't be killed by any Task Killer or anything.
Besides I also hate those Task Killer apps, they are meaningless unless an user do nothing regularly with his/her phone.
I've no Task Killer installed but once I used the built in Memory Clear feature and next day my schedule app got closed. From then I never touched it. But one thing if RAM usage goes above 400 MB I think sometime its good to clear the memory as it will help to refresh it. But Samsung should had put the Memory Clear feature more precisely.
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The taskmanager that comes pre-installed with the phone seems useless...
Reason being is that when it's used to close apps to free ram, seconds after it's as it was before...
Supposing my used ram is 474mb. I then clear the memory at which then the task manager reports used ram as just 273mb.....
When checking the task manager literally minutes after it will then read 474mb or higher.
This is even when the phone has not been touched & was left on idle.
So please tell me the point in having a task manager that kills apps which then simply open again moments later....
Task manager exists to Effin close the apps for good, not have then "tabbed-out" and sit there and drain battery / Ram. Man, some people are oblivious.
Edit: abd apps dont open by themselfs after, geez. Its the system (THE PHONE) that takes from Ram to actually /run/ and function
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Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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BazookaAce said:
Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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Clearly someone doesn't KNOW how to read...
Since when did I mention a task killer? I am referring to the STOCK task manager that comes PRE-INSTALLED on the phone.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, learn to read...
All I'm saying is that the task manager doesn't seem effective...
hey mr angry pants, task killer and task manager are the same thing, the only thing a task manager can do is "kill" a task
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hey mr angry pants, task killer and task manager are the same thing, the only thing a task manager can do is "kill" a task
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Yes I know, but BazookaAce referred to a task killer, a third party app in which I didn't mention.
I simply stated my opinion and I did not have a go at anyone & neither was I rude.
So for a simple opinion I get trolls having a go at ME making statements such as I know nothing about android and being oblivious.
Seems you can't express your own opinons without getting trolled on...
Why must people be so rude and have a go at you?
I have a right to be angry...
If someone disagrees with my statement, then let it be. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong but If I disagreed with someones statement why should I become rude and fight?
Why is it so wrong if I simply stated I feel the task manager is useless? There is no need to get rude...
what the task manager does is kill everything except for the bare OS. then when you go to home, it will rebuffer all your widgets and icons back into the ram, and will reload any background processes that are required to run the widgets.
occasionally when you run an app and close it, it will leave the process running in the background, taking up ram unnecessarily. an example would be something like tap tap revenge, android market, music player, facebook, the crappy polish media player that came with my phone even though i never used it, etc.
normally, unless you have a task killer or task manager app, these apps will remain hogging up ram until you kill it. even if you use the market or music player once and then close it, it may remain running or may have a background process that remains running. what clear memory does is it removes all of these little annoying processes from the memory and just restores the OS back to its bare ram usage again.
this is useful for when you want to play a game or use an app that requires a lot of ram (ie. dungeon defenders) and you dont want it to crash on you when youre making an ingame purchase because you ran out of ram. you can clear your ram of junk first and then run the game, leaving you with more ram available for the game data.
task killers are silly because people often program them to kill apps that are designed to reopen themselves anyway, which puts the app in a reboot loop that drains more battery.
if you want to permanently stop a process from hogging up ram, you'd have to root your phone, run titanium backup and freeze the useless processes.
Thank you so much Souai for your response, you provided some useful information with regards on how task managers work...
Unlike a few others who were unhelpful I appreciate your post and detailed explanation.
Will hit the ''thanks'' button.
As for Titanium backup, I've heard of it but not tried it. Once my phone has been rooted I will give the application a try.
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Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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Well i can tell you from experience that task killers DO work.
Before i put the phone in my pocket, i run it, saves battery drainage.
And when the phone begins to lag, i run it, and it runs smooth again.
So whatever all those articles tell you, i experience the opposite.
P.S. I'm rooted