Sorry if this is not the right place to ask this question, but the threads I've seen after searching are completely over my head.
So I'm a noob with Android phones and I downloaded Advance Task Killer.
I killed all tasks before putting my phone on charge and after about an hour of not touching the phone, I checked and there were loads of tasks running...even from apps that I haven't even used today.
Can someone please explain how it works? Why do apps just randomly start running?
Thanks in advance.
this link should help, basically froyo closed the loop hole app killers used to use to shutdown other apps. further reading suggests app killers arent really necessary
http://androinica.com/2010/08/09/froyo-update-kills-android-task-killer-apps/
Thanks for this....very interesting. I'll delete that then
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Here's some interesting reading I've been digesting to overcome my ex-WinMo maniac habits
Recommended
http://geekfor.me/faq/you-shouldnt-be-using-a-task-killer-with-android/
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
Some good stuff there, thanks for sharing
I can't help those bad habits! I see processes and I want to kiilll them !!!
...RAM eating processes...grrr
It has taken me a while, and now my third android phone before I am out the habbit
You really really don't need them, especially if like me you love to flash stuff so you regularly reboot anyway.
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
Yeah I know what it feels like
First thing I installed to my ex I-dont-miss-you X10 was a file explorer and a task killer.
Now, zero task killers for my pretty DZ
Ah !! I miss those freezing rebooting bug-whacking patching WinMo days
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Ha -- I recently read a thread on a blog where this was pointed out -- and there were a bunch of rabid task-killer fanatics insisting that it was wrong
If Android frees up memory automatically why my CoPilot closed because of lack of memory? Only solution was restart of the phone.
It annoys me that apps are running in background, apps that I never use but can't uninstall.
AgaZaKa said:
If Android frees up memory automatically why my CoPilot closed because of lack of memory? Only solution was restart of the phone.
It annoys me that apps are running in background, apps that I never use but can't uninstall.
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What apps do you have running in the background that you never use ?
I don't know about CoPilot, but maybe it had a memory leak which meant Android couldn't free up enough memory ?
is there any widget like this i can use?
AriStar said:
is there any widget like this i can use?
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Please explain what you want?
What the hell is Program Monitor?
The Xperia Play forum has very little activity and even then it is getting cluttered with these posts.
I'm sorry if I sound rude explain more so we can help you.
its a widget that comes with galaxy s it shows how many running apps and lets you kill them. i know this can be done through settings and stuff but i wanted to know if there is a widget.
Ok thanks for clarifying that. I couldn't find something exactly to what your looking for but here is a thread I found
http://androidforums.com/epic-4g-support-troubleshooting/184604-samsung-program-monitor-widget-alternative.html
The program they talk about is called Taskiller. I never used it myself so I can't comment on it but I would like to tell you a couple things
Don't waste your time with task killers and apps like that they are useless even the developers of android said it. The main reason to have one is to kill frozen apps. Android is very smart and can work apps while balancing battery usage and ram.
Here is an article if you want to read more about task killers in general and why you shouldn't use them.
android task killers explained what they do and why you shouldnt use them
OK so my built in memory is always too loo and I'm really getting sick of it. could someone please tell me, with step by step instructions, which files I can remove from my play without crashing the phone. I know that's asking slot but it would greatly appreciate it. thanks in advance.
step 0, open the "safe list" thread at the top of this forum
step 1, download Titanium Backup
step 2, within the app, tap on which App you want to delete
step 3, tap on delete app
step 4, what model phone are you asking about?
step 5, personally I want to know if I can delete QC SEMC Service and preinstalledservice 1.0 on my phone
So far I've deleted
Anonymous Usage Stats
Backup Assistant
CrashMonitor 1.0
Digital clock 1.0
Gmail 2.3.2
MobileCare 6.1.0
My Verizon Mobile
News & Weather
OfficeSuite
StreetView
Skype by Verizon
Talk
Visual VM
VZ Navigator
I've also gone through and deleted, then downloaded from the Market so I can move them to my SD card, with a few Apps.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1046699
I'm using an xperia play
jdz7t8 said:
I'm using an xperia play
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Indeed, but is it an R800i? a? x?
I believe they all have different bloatware preloaded.
jdz7t8 said:
OK so my built in memory is always too loo and I'm really getting sick of it. could someone please tell me, with step by step instructions, which files I can remove from my play without crashing the phone. I know that's asking slot but it would greatly appreciate it. thanks in advance.
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This isnt windows, having more free ram WILL NOT increase performance
oh wow I have no clue, I have the xperia play from Rogers in Canada
I think your wrong on that one. if what your saying was so why would people recommend you use advanced task killer when your phone slows down, or why would they recommend that you restart?
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I think your wrong on that one. if what your saying was so why would people recommend you use advanced task killer when your phone slows down, or why would they recommend that you restart?
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Infact it's the oposite, people say you should use task killers as it interfears with androids native memory management, Android is a linux based os and thus "pools" memory, so although the memory may appear to be used, infact it's not, it is pooled waiting to be used by the os, this gives much quicker random access.
http://lifehacker.com/5650894/andro...ed-what-they-do-and-why-you-shouldnt-use-them
"In Android, processes and Applications are two different things. An app can stay "running" in the background without any processes eating up your phone's resources. Android keeps the app in its memory so it launches more quickly and returns to its prior state. When your phone runs out of memory, Android will automatically start killing tasks on its own, starting with ones that you haven't used in awhile.
The problem is that Android uses RAM differently than, say, Windows. On Android, having your RAM nearly full is a good thing. It means that when you relaunch an app you've previously opened, the app launches quickly and returns to its previous state. So while Android actually uses RAM efficiently, most users see that their RAM is full and assume that's what's slowing down their phone. In reality, your CPU—which is only used by apps that are actually active—is almost always the bottleneck."
really, thanks for letting me know. but I do notice when I use advanced task killer games run smoother, though I find five minutes after I closed an app it automaticaly reopens.
there a lot more things showing up in titanium backup, anymore suggestions? Rogers xperia play Canada. my phone is starting up alot faster.
when I try to uninstall certain things it just hangs and says uninstalling but it never finishes. this happened with gmail and liveware manager.
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really, thanks for letting me know. but I do notice when I use advanced task killer games run smoother, though I find five minutes after I closed an app it automaticaly reopens.
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No trouble just know that android has a memory threshold, it will let processes run until it reaches that threshold, then it will start killing background processes, you can remove/stop all the processes you want, but another app will just take over as the os wont stop it, the only way in reality to have more free ram is have no apps anyway you should search for an application called "mini free manager" this lets you edit the values of the native memory manager, you can set it to be more agressive, android will allow less background processes to run and thus free up more ram
I was bored so i went and found it for you
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=630262
give it a try before you gut your phone trust me
are you sure it's mini free manager and not mini task manager, cause I can't find mini free manager anywhere.
how do you use task killer? like, to set it up? I heard it can put your phone into an automatic restart loop if you don't know what your doing.
U can go into ur text messaging settings and lower the amount of text messages thats phone keeps in thread to like 50 or less. That help me before I rooted to free up memory and stop phone from locking up
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jdz7t8 said:
when I try to uninstall certain things it just hangs and says uninstalling but it never finishes. this happened with gmail and liveware manager.
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Enable usb debugging under applications development settings before starting titanium backup app - this definitely solves hanging when freezing apps so suspect same for uninstalling
Problem
guys i have been deleting things as suggested here but now i notice when i slide out the gamepad the "moregames" option is no longer there, it only shows games currently installed on my phone. What have I done? How do I get it back?
Oh man, I thought it was because i never had the paid version, so i bought it -.-
hey there,
it started when i saw the gps-icon in the statusbar always on. i have gps
always turned on (for foto-location tags etc). but it was active (the icon was
in the statusbar) only when it was needed. but now, when i have gps on, it
seems to be in use all the time...
so i started to look for the paricular app/process. but closing apps via
taskmanager AND closing processes via settings/apps/running did not end
the usage of gps. i only closed processes when i was sure, it would not hurt.
like facebook or byTheWay.
then i found my real problem: why are those processes running anyway? and
why do they use so much memory? e.g facebook. why 40mb? just for
notifications? do i need a running process for notificaions at all? and why do
the processes come back when i kill them? especially wifi-sharing? i never use
that and never turned it on in the settings (maybe once for testing). why does
it need two processes.
maybe someone can help solving a little bit of this "mystery"...
thx,
kws
is it that nobody can help me because its too complicated.
or that nobody wants to help me, because it is discussed already in other places.
if the latter, plz point me in the right direction.
tyvm!
kws
Try startup manager it worked for me you can get it from android markets its free for a bit. let's you take complete control of start up processes. I'm running galaxy s2 on stock Rom
The taskmanager that comes pre-installed with the phone seems useless...
Reason being is that when it's used to close apps to free ram, seconds after it's as it was before...
Supposing my used ram is 474mb. I then clear the memory at which then the task manager reports used ram as just 273mb.....
When checking the task manager literally minutes after it will then read 474mb or higher.
This is even when the phone has not been touched & was left on idle.
So please tell me the point in having a task manager that kills apps which then simply open again moments later....
Task manager exists to Effin close the apps for good, not have then "tabbed-out" and sit there and drain battery / Ram. Man, some people are oblivious.
Edit: abd apps dont open by themselfs after, geez. Its the system (THE PHONE) that takes from Ram to actually /run/ and function
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Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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BazookaAce said:
Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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Clearly someone doesn't KNOW how to read...
Since when did I mention a task killer? I am referring to the STOCK task manager that comes PRE-INSTALLED on the phone.
Instead of jumping to conclusions, learn to read...
All I'm saying is that the task manager doesn't seem effective...
hey mr angry pants, task killer and task manager are the same thing, the only thing a task manager can do is "kill" a task
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hey mr angry pants, task killer and task manager are the same thing, the only thing a task manager can do is "kill" a task
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Yes I know, but BazookaAce referred to a task killer, a third party app in which I didn't mention.
I simply stated my opinion and I did not have a go at anyone & neither was I rude.
So for a simple opinion I get trolls having a go at ME making statements such as I know nothing about android and being oblivious.
Seems you can't express your own opinons without getting trolled on...
Why must people be so rude and have a go at you?
I have a right to be angry...
If someone disagrees with my statement, then let it be. I'm not saying I'm right or wrong but If I disagreed with someones statement why should I become rude and fight?
Why is it so wrong if I simply stated I feel the task manager is useless? There is no need to get rude...
what the task manager does is kill everything except for the bare OS. then when you go to home, it will rebuffer all your widgets and icons back into the ram, and will reload any background processes that are required to run the widgets.
occasionally when you run an app and close it, it will leave the process running in the background, taking up ram unnecessarily. an example would be something like tap tap revenge, android market, music player, facebook, the crappy polish media player that came with my phone even though i never used it, etc.
normally, unless you have a task killer or task manager app, these apps will remain hogging up ram until you kill it. even if you use the market or music player once and then close it, it may remain running or may have a background process that remains running. what clear memory does is it removes all of these little annoying processes from the memory and just restores the OS back to its bare ram usage again.
this is useful for when you want to play a game or use an app that requires a lot of ram (ie. dungeon defenders) and you dont want it to crash on you when youre making an ingame purchase because you ran out of ram. you can clear your ram of junk first and then run the game, leaving you with more ram available for the game data.
task killers are silly because people often program them to kill apps that are designed to reopen themselves anyway, which puts the app in a reboot loop that drains more battery.
if you want to permanently stop a process from hogging up ram, you'd have to root your phone, run titanium backup and freeze the useless processes.
Thank you so much Souai for your response, you provided some useful information with regards on how task managers work...
Unlike a few others who were unhelpful I appreciate your post and detailed explanation.
Will hit the ''thanks'' button.
As for Titanium backup, I've heard of it but not tried it. Once my phone has been rooted I will give the application a try.
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Clearly someone doesn't understand how Android works. If you want to learn something, then google "Android why you shouldn't use a task killer".
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Well i can tell you from experience that task killers DO work.
Before i put the phone in my pocket, i run it, saves battery drainage.
And when the phone begins to lag, i run it, and it runs smooth again.
So whatever all those articles tell you, i experience the opposite.
P.S. I'm rooted