Has anyone solved the "Low battery" and "immediate turn off" problem yet?
Man this is the most frustrating issue EVER.
I'm running SRF 1.1.0
I have a 3500 mAh battery.
For some Farking reason, if the battery is under 50% and I get a call. It will RANDOMLY beep LOW BATTERY and turn off, in the middle of the farking call!!!
You turn it back on and it'll have 40+ % charge left!!!
AHHHHH!!!!!
After watching the 25 how to videos, I fixed almost everything that pissed me off, but this one thing drives me bonkers!!!!
I think that's the battery. Is its a yoo-bao from china (cheapie) or a good brand from a reputable source(sedio)? I have that problem with all the cheapies I bought on ebay.
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It's not just the battery. My stock phone and rom does it too when the battery gets to 15%. When it reboots it has 20 or 30%.
This phone should never have been released with such a serious bug.
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For "such a serious bug" it doesn't seem like many of us have it... I can keep a call all the way to 0%...did it a few minutes ago. Have you tried calibrating the battery stats?
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Now I dont normally let my phone get down to 0% but yeah i know i've gone WAYYYYYYY past even 10% and the phone hasn't done this. Stock battery not extended.
Kcarpenter said:
For "such a serious bug" it doesn't seem like many of us have it... I can keep a call all the way to 0%...did it a few minutes ago. Have you tried calibrating the battery stats?
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it's a cheapy battery.
However, it's also a bug somewhere in some software...
If it hits 15% when u are NOT on a call, the phone doesn't shut off. It's only when you're actually talking that it does it.
I'm surprised to hear STOCK people saying it happens to them... When I had my phone stock it didn't do this. I assumed it was a ROM issue.
I would try calibrating... I believe there's an actual app in the market to do everything for you. I'm fairly certain its free, so ill post a link, but if its not, I apologize, and well get a mod to take it out.
http://db.tt/NaGV1TB
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I assumed it was a ROM issue.
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I love how people assume I sprinkle magic fail dust on my ROMs.
Charge to 100% with the device off and wipe battery stats in CWM.
Key word there, "Assumed"
Kcarpenter said:
For "such a serious bug" it doesn't seem like many of us have it... I can keep a call all the way to 0%...did it a few minutes ago. Have you tried calibrating the battery stats?
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Yes. I've calibrated my battery. I have seen a couple threads on the issue. I have repeated the issue on several roms and modems. Happens every time i'm on a call and the battery gets to 15%. That makes it serious since it is a phone after all. What if I was talking to 911?
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I love how people assume I sprinkle magic fail dust on my ROMs.
Charge to 100% with the device off and wipe battery stats in CWM.
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Not just YOUR rom, I've read that this is a problem on all different ROM's including the stock one!
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Not just YOUR rom, I've read that this is a problem on all different ROM's including the stock one!
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Right, but you said you assumed it was a ROM issue before you found out stock users had it.
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Right, but you said you assumed it was a ROM issue before you found out stock users had it.
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well even stock is a rom right?
What I'm hoping for is I can figure out what you guys are running that doesn't crash on you when the low battery beep happens.
I think this is a battery issue. I never had this problem with stock battery and it happened twice on cheap 3000 ma battery I bought. Returned the battery and got another one (same kind) and this one works fine. I think this is a manufacturing problem with cheap batteries. When you look at reviews of more expensive ones online, you never see anything about this problem.
I have found the solution! It turns out that our phones, much like a simple light bulb, just don't function when they don't have enough juice...
Since I can't modify a light bulb to magically require less power, the only solution I have found is to provide the specified power level. I have applied this same method to my phone - when the battery gets close to that magic threshold, all I do is - get ready for this - charge the phone again!
Seriously, though - everything takes power to operate, and a low battery can't put out the same current and voltage as a fully- or even half-charged battery. This isn't a bug, it's just a fact of life (with current technology, anyway). Who here complains when their almost-dead AA batteries can't power an Xbox 360 controller? Most of us just replace them with fresh ones (or charge them) and keep going.
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I have found the solution! It turns out that our phones, much like a simple light bulb, just don't function when they don't have enough juice...
Since I can't modify a light bulb to magically require less power, the only solution I have found is to provide the specified power level. I have applied this same method to my phone - when the battery gets close to that magic threshold, all I do is - get ready for this - charge the phone again!
Seriously, though - everything takes power to operate, and a low battery can't put out the same current and voltage as a fully- or even half-charged battery. This isn't a bug, it's just a fact of life (with current technology, anyway). Who here complains when their almost-dead AA batteries can't power an Xbox 360 controller? Most of us just replace them with fresh ones (or charge them) and keep going.
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This! Cheap batteries are never worth the money. I bought some cheap chinese rechargeable packs for my 360 controllers... they ALWAYS show low charge even if I just charged to full. Same deal with cheap chinese cell phone batteries.
I am sure the battery calibration is way off with one of the cheapies.
styles420 said:
I have found the solution! It turns out that our phones, much like a simple light bulb, just don't function when they don't have enough juice...
Since I can't modify a light bulb to magically require less power, the only solution I have found is to provide the specified power level. I have applied this same method to my phone - when the battery gets close to that magic threshold, all I do is - get ready for this - charge the phone again!
Seriously, though - everything takes power to operate, and a low battery can't put out the same current and voltage as a fully- or even half-charged battery. This isn't a bug, it's just a fact of life (with current technology, anyway). Who here complains when their almost-dead AA batteries can't power an Xbox 360 controller? Most of us just replace them with fresh ones (or charge them) and keep going.
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Ok Mr. Smarty pants. You are not understanding the problem. It happens with the stock battery too.
The SECOND you hit 15% while on the phone and get the battery low warning, the phone turns off, MID CALL. You turn the phone back on and it will last hours, even on the stock battery.
If it hits 15% without being on a call, it does not shut down.
That is the real problem here.
This has happened to me once , what could be the cause ? Defective phone or software?
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Ok Mr. Smarty pants. You are not understanding the problem. It happens with the stock battery too.
The SECOND you hit 15% while on the phone and get the battery low warning, the phone turns off, MID CALL.
If it hits 15% without being on a call, it does not shut down.
That is the real problem here.
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You mean just like a 360 controller can have enough juice to turn on, but not enough to actually play? Or how a flashlight will be too dim to be worth it when the batteries get low?
Would it be better if the battery ran like a champ right up to the second that it shuts off without warning? That would fix your problem - no notification when the battery is low (the sudden shut off can't be avoided until we find an unlimited energy source small enough to fit in our phones)
Your expectations are unrealistic. Just sayin'...
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J3ff, it's likely the cheap battery. Here's why:
Charge level is a simple linear voltage function. Our phones consider 4.2V to be full charge (100%), and empty to be around 3.6V (0%). The voltage drops roughly linearly between these two values as charge is consumed.
The kicker is this: The voltage seen at the battery terminals is also affected by the interaction between the internal resistance of the battery and the instantaneous load, or current draw. For electronics buffs, this is the classic V=IR, and what happens is that the voltage on the battery will drop by IR in addition to it's unloaded voltage level due to whatever the stored charge state is.
Good quality batteries have a very low internal resistance, and will not drop much voltage due to an increased load. Crappy batteries are just the opposite, and even though they do carry the charge storage (most of the time) advertised, they are only suitable for low load applications.
What's happening is you have a battery with a horribly high internal R. When you make a phone call, the load increases A LOT -- transmit power goes way up. This if why phones get hot when talking on them -- they really suck the juice.
As a consequence, because of the high resistance, voltage from the battery takes a nosedive. At an "idle" reading of 50% (3.9V, thereabouts) you're probably dropping more than 0.3V when the load goes up during a call, the phone panics, and shuts down to protect the battery (LiIon doesn't like to be discharged below 3.3V, and can be damaged).
When you reboot, the high load is gone, so the voltage shows higher again, reflecting the fact that there is truly still plenty of charge stored and available. The battery simply can't handle gulps, but only slow sipping.
High internal R is one of the most common reject reasons from mfgs, and those batts are sold on the cheap to dealers and distributors in a secondary market. Honest ones then resell into appropriate application spaces where low-current is all that is needed. Most, however, are not that scrupulous, and sell right back to the same market, leaving behind puzzled and unhappy customers.
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I recently acquired a HTC Universal for dirt cheap, and have found the first problem to explain the low price: Whenever I'm using a "power-hungry" application (TCPMP, Internet via Wi-Fi) it eventually just blacks out. Full shutdown without warning.
When trying to reactivate the unit, it reboots as if after a soft reset.
In fact, if I try to reactivate it too quickly, even the reboot fails.
None of the above happens when on external power.
This leads me to think that it's nothing worse than a battery that's lost its mojo, but since there is no warning about low battery, and when the reboot finishes successfully even SPB says the battery is somewhere around 70%, I want to run this by you guys.
What do you think? Just go get a new battery, or is there something else going on which will make buying a new battery just a waste of money?
I'd say it's the battery, 99% sure.
I'ts gotten old and its voltage breaks down under load. If you have proper equipment and a glimpse of an idea what you're doing you should drain about 300mA from the battery and measure its output voltage.
You'll most likely see it going below 3.0V quickly.
I'm afraid I don't have that equipment, but all I really needed to hear was that it's probably the battery.
Now I can stop thinking about it and just order a new batery.
Unexpected reboot - Apparently bettery issue
Hey Holybear, my device shows exactly same symptom, If possible let us know if bat replacement solved the issue>
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I recently acquired a HTC Universal for dirt cheap, and have found the first problem to explain the low price: Whenever I'm using a "power-hungry" application (TCPMP, Internet via Wi-Fi) it eventually just blacks out. Full shutdown without warning.
When trying to reactivate the unit, it reboots as if after a soft reset.
In fact, if I try to reactivate it too quickly, even the reboot fails.
None of the above happens when on external power.
This leads me to think that it's nothing worse than a battery that's lost its mojo, but since there is no warning about low battery, and when the reboot finishes successfully even SPB says the battery is somewhere around 70%, I want to run this by you guys.
What do you think? Just go get a new battery, or is there something else going on which will make buying a new battery just a waste of money?
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I knew I wasn't the only one withthat problem. I think i've prooved it to be a battery faultt. as if you taake te battery out after it gets to that stage where you just can not get it too complete a boot up without it shuttinng down again
take out battery ,place finer oveer all battery trmminals and plug inn your mainss charger it should now boot up and runn fin off the charger unless your finger slips off the battery terminals. thisshsowws it's the temprature sensor in the battery.
I posted a more in depth reply to a guy in the wm6 threads as wifi heeaating up battery wass shutting off his device as well
@ cyberjak
Hmm, the idea that a temperature sensor in the battery causes this problems is interesting. I'd just expect the device not being cappable of rebooting instantly, because there should be a hysteresis implemented in the battery's protection circuit.
I had the exact same problems and described them elsewhere, but in my case it surely wasn't an issue of temperature.
I'd suggest to take out the battery and wait about an hour for the device and the battery to cool off. Most likely the battery will then take a complete boot but shut down soon after that - without having gotten near to "warm" yet.
If this happens you can be sure that the battery itself is dead without needing to measure anything.
Okay, to tell you what I tried:
I ran the Universal until it spontaneously went dead.
Started bootlaoder to see how much longer it would work on that. Was a bit longer, what with low energy consumption, but soon even that wouldn't stay on for long.
Then decided to try the "old wives' tale" (meaning I don't know whether there's any sense behind it or not) of putting the battery in the freezer for a little while.
When I took it out and let it get back to normal temp, I plugged it in and after a while booted the Universal. It showed 40% battery, lower than it had ever gotten lately.
Recharged for a full day.
Tried TCPMP: went dead after three minutes.
So in my experience the above didn't help battery performance.
Am going to get a new battery in a few days; I'll keep you posted on progress as I try with a fresh battery.
I had the same problem, whenever i did something cpu intensive, it would just black out.
I just bought a new 3100mAh battery. Best thing i ever did. It might be thicker now with the new battery, but it actually feels more comfortable as a phone. Plus the new battery only cost 13 odd quid, so definately well worth it. Oh and it doubles the battery life (3100/1500 = ~2... duh)
Hope that helps.
oh you know wat i have the same problem with my Jasjar and the bigest problem that there is no batteries on market for Jasjars in my country....its looks like im living in Jurassic Century!!!
If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
Rc-Blob said:
I had the same problem, whenever i did something cpu intensive, it would just black out.
I just bought a new 3100mAh battery. Best thing i ever did. It might be thicker now with the new battery, but it actually feels more comfortable as a phone. Plus the new battery only cost 13 odd quid, so definately well worth it. Oh and it doubles the battery life (3100/1500 = ~2... duh)
Hope that helps.
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I ordered a regular battery replacement, but maybe I'll add a 3100mAh as well.
I could use it as a media player during long train trips.
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Okay, to tell you what I tried:
I ran the Universal until it spontaneously went dead.
Started bootlaoder to see how much longer it would work on that. Was a bit longer, what with low energy consumption, but soon even that wouldn't stay on for long.
Then decided to try the "old wives' tale" (meaning I don't know whether there's any sense behind it or not) of putting the battery in the freezer for a little while.
When I took it out and let it get back to normal temp, I plugged it in and after a while booted the Universal. It showed 40% battery, lower than it had ever gotten lately.
Recharged for a full day.
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I revived two batteries by intense cycling to work quite well again. They still black out at 20%, but only under extreme load (active gsm connection, active wifi, bluetooth and having to render a webpage).
But you should be able to discharge them below 25% at least. Else they're most certainly "too dead" already. And you should do at least 3-4 cycles.
My guess would be that the freezer finished your battery off. I don't understand how this method should work anyway, as lower temperatures reduce the time affected capacity loss. Actually the best place to store a LiPo or LIo battery is the fridge, charged about half the way.
But I also ordered two 3100mAh batteries. I'm using the Uni as a laptop replacement and the permanent wifi usage together with some cpu load and the backlight kicks the battery's ass quite hard.
In Germany the China 3100mAhs are overpriced and it's hard to get your hands on an external charger, but on Ebay.co.uk there's a seller that offers battery and charger as a bundle for about 15€. This will give me a solid 6000+mAh per day and should be enough to forget about virtually every setting related to power consumption
@ xplayer
If you haven't donw already, take a look at Ebay.com, co.uk etc and look if one of the sellers there will ship to kurdistan. You may be lucky
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If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
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Oh Thanx Rc-Blob....bt there is No way even to send me no addresses no posting in my country...am from kurdistan of Iraq...thanks again its looks like u sent me one...bt I even have brother in USA he can't send me...except if some one come from there so i have to wait...thanks buddy...
EvilJogga said:
I revived two batteries by intense cycling to work quite well again. They still black out at 20%, but only under extreme load (active gsm connection, active wifi, bluetooth and having to render a webpage).
But you should be able to discharge them below 25% at least. Else they're most certainly "too dead" already. And you should do at least 3-4 cycles.
My guess would be that the freezer finished your battery off. I don't understand how this method should work anyway, as lower temperatures reduce the time affected capacity loss. Actually the best place to store a LiPo or LIo battery is the fridge, charged about half the way.
But I also ordered two 3100mAh batteries. I'm using the Uni as a laptop replacement and the permanent wifi usage together with some cpu load and the backlight kicks the battery's ass quite hard.
In Germany the China 3100mAhs are overpriced and it's hard to get your hands on an external charger, but on Ebay.co.uk there's a seller that offers battery and charger as a bundle for about 15€. This will give me a solid 6000+mAh per day and should be enough to forget about virtually every setting related to power consumption
@ xplayer
If you haven't donw already, take a look at Ebay.com, co.uk etc and look if one of the sellers there will ship to kurdistan. You may be lucky
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hhh ok buddy you too for care....but there is realy no way i have to wait tell some one(my brothers friend) come from USA so he can get me one from there....its ok...i can use it yet as a normal mobile...i have some other devices for multimedia right now i can wait there is no any other ways....thanks...
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If you want i can send you a battery xplayer, they're quite cheap here.
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Thanx for helping the guy,yo folks on xda are the best
Just to give you all the end of the story:
I ordered a regular replacement and a 3200 mAh one, and both have returned my Universal to a well-used life.
Thanks again to everyone helping me out here.
For you guys does the device switch off only when the battery is low, or any time. Cause I have this problem as well, and I was SURE that it wasn't a battery problem until I read this thread. The phone switches off intermittently, sometimes after only 3' talk time right after it had been charging for a full 8 hours! Also, usually if I let it sit there for a few hours I could then turn it back on and it would last a full day, so I knew it wasn't due to low battery.
The overheating theory would explain my problem, as, now that I think about it, all my seemingly-random shutdowns were during radio activity (making or receiving calls, especially when the phone was searching for signal, or wifi, which would almost instantly kill it). Strange that it overheats like this, most phone batteries simply run out of charge faster and faster until they can't hold a charge at all, but mine lasts almost as long as it always lasted even though it's 2 years old - unless I get the shutdown thing of course.
I asked this in another thread, but since this one is full of people who got replacement batteries I'll repeat my question here as well:
How much thicker than the standard battery are the 3100 and the 4200mAh ones?
I also got this problem recently, so I bought a new battery and although it's only a 1600mAh battery it runs great again
hey roodkapje ive got that same problem with my battery for my spv m5000 the bad news is that i cant get that batery in barbados so im all out to see
So as I mentioned in the battery life thread, in the T-Mo store, the Galaxy was reporting 2d5h on and still had 32% left in the tank. Obviously that is without SetCPU or anything and people have to have been playing with it. Even not, 30%/day not being touched is pretty good. What have you guys done for battery life? Have you noticed the "ramp up" time that is always claimed by cell phone manufacturers? Mine has sucked today but I've been beating the hell out of it. I'm going to charge it and let it stay unplugged overnight to see what the standby drain is but what is everyone doing? Have you messed with SetCPU at all?
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So as I mentioned in the battery life thread, in the T-Mo store, the Galaxy was reporting 2d5h on and still had 32% left in the tank. Obviously that is without SetCPU or anything and people have to have been playing with it. Even not, 30%/day not being touched is pretty good. What have you guys done for battery life? Have you noticed the "ramp up" time that is always claimed by cell phone manufacturers? Mine has sucked today but I've been beating the hell out of it. I'm going to charge it and let it stay unplugged overnight to see what the standby drain is but what is everyone doing? Have you messed with SetCPU at all?
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Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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Haha I know what you mean. That's what I love about having a removable battery. Who cares right? Swap it out and you're good.
As for my experience, the battery live has been good. The battery status bar up top is not accurate though. Similar to the reception (bar) problem how it shows no bars but you actually have great signal. I'm sure a software fix will be available soon for this. Very minor.
Here are some things you can do to improve battery life:
Remove all unnecessary widgets off your screen. I had an analog clock on there and when I removed it, I noticed better battery life just from that. No joke.
Turn off the live wallpapers. Those drain battery too.
Turn off wifi if not using it
Turn off bluetooth
Set the notifications to refresh at a longer interval instead of like every 5 mins etc...
If you're really nit picky, check "use only 2g networks..." - I personally wouldn't.
Adjust your screen to the lowest brightness. I love that it's an SAMOLED screen, because I could never get by with the lowest setting on other lcd screens.
Hope this helps man...enjoy!
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Who cares, I'm buying 2 spare batteries from Ebay, just like I had for my G1. I can go thru all 3 batteries on my G1 while at work for 10hrs. So, I'm assuming I will get similar results.
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By the way....regarding non-OEM batteries....I do notice that they are all 1500mAh (like oem), but I've always had a stigma about putting generic batteries into expensive devices.
I guess where my stigma comes from is due to my past experience with my digital camera, when I took photos of a wedding and my files got corrupted. My only explanation was because I was using a non-oem battery, because ever since that I've only used oem batteries along with that same memory card and have never had a problem since. It's been 3 years.
Since the non-oem batteries are 1500mAh, it shouldn't matter right? Now that I think about it, I do remember the camera batteries being of a higher mAh than the original battery...I know this only has to do with the capacity, but as for the voltage output, could there have been a strange surge to cause the corruption?
I know I'm just being paranoid, but just thought I'd get some input from those who know about the mechanics of batteries and the likelihood of any malfunction due to it being a cheap non-oem battery made in china.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
My biggest battery drain was use wireless networks was disabled by default. All apps that tried to get my location therefore turned on GPS. One widget was bugged and would keep using GPS, killing my battery overnight. Uninstalled the widget and enabled use wireless networks and only lost a percent or two overnight. Make sure the GPS icon is not consistently on when not using Google Maps and whatnot.
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My biggest battery drain was use wireless networks was disabled by default. All apps that tried to get my location therefore turned on GPS. One widget was bugged and would keep using GPS, killing my battery overnight. Uninstalled the widget and enabled use wireless networks and only lost a percent or two overnight. Make sure the GPS icon is not consistently on when not using Google Maps and whatnot.
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This didn't really do anything for me. Under usage it definitely uses less battery than my N1 but standby SUCKS. How did the one in the store get 2+ days. I switched from GSM/CDMA Auto PRL to just GSM Auto PRL. I am switching back. WCDMA Preferred actually got me better battery on the N1.
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By the way....regarding non-OEM batteries....I do notice that they are all 1500mAh (like oem), but I've always had a stigma about putting generic batteries into expensive devices.
I guess where my stigma comes from is due to my past experience with my digital camera, when I took photos of a wedding and my files got corrupted. My only explanation was because I was using a non-oem battery, because ever since that I've only used oem batteries along with that same memory card and have never had a problem since. It's been 3 years.
Since the non-oem batteries are 1500mAh, it shouldn't matter right? Now that I think about it, I do remember the camera batteries being of a higher mAh than the original battery...I know this only has to do with the capacity, but as for the voltage output, could there have been a strange surge to cause the corruption?
I know I'm just being paranoid, but just thought I'd get some input from those who know about the mechanics of batteries and the likelihood of any malfunction due to it being a cheap non-oem battery made in china.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
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The Amps and Volts are important, but in a battery is only a small part of it. The quality matters, the drain matter, it's max input matters, it's sensitivity to fluctuation, sensitivity to over charge... etc etc etc...
That being said, most modern devices these days have a lot of internal fail safes that should try to stop anything crazy from happening... because really the battery could have any amount of amp hours rated to it, how much it can and will output is what matters though. You could theoretically make a battery the size of a car battery for the thing that with 1500AH (aka 1,500,000mAH) would give you a retarded amount of standby time as long as it was rated about the same on everything else... although charge that thing wrong and you would have a pretty cool fireball...
an app called juice defender seems to work pretty good for me on the vibrant (ultimate juice is the paid version with all the features). I previously used it on my cliq and had good results also.
what it does is disables apn and/or wifi and you choose what intervals it comes back on. example - you could have it come on every 15 minutes for 1 minute at a time to complete necessary syncs. you can also set up night schedules etc.
I would recommend this app if you're lookin to save some battery. it also has a little widget to show you how much battery you have saved. not sure how accurate that is though. good luck!
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jaker.the.skater said:
an app called juice defender seems to work pretty good for me on the vibrant (ultimate juice is the paid version with all the features). I previously used it on my cliq and had good results also.
what it does is disables apn and/or wifi and you choose what intervals it comes back on. example - you could have it come on every 15 minutes for 1 minute at a time to complete necessary syncs. you can also set up night schedules etc.
I would recommend this app if you're lookin to save some battery. it also has a little widget to show you how much battery you have saved. not sure how accurate that is though. good luck!
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I've used this but it is a little buggy. I also need live data. Point is results shouldn't be this inconsistent. I need to figure out what that store was doing!
Anyone else?
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yeah i kinda want to know all this, getting mine pretty soon!
Is it cool to use the home charger for the nexus one AND the Galaxy interchangeably?
I ask because I'm ignorant to the amps/differences. It would be lovely to keep one charger at home, and one at work.
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What have you done for battery life so far?
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I stopped caring. As long as it has enough to charge to stay on between unplugging it in the morning, and plugging it up at night, I'm golden. I've had the phone since launch, and I've only charged it up twice, so that's about two days between charges. I got it with a roughly 60% charged battery.
I use BatteryLife by Curvefish to see my battery usage.
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Is it cool to use the home charger for the nexus one AND the Galaxy interchangeably?
I ask because I'm ignorant to the amps/differences. It would be lovely to keep one charger at home, and one at work.
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Galaxy S/Vibrant charger is 5v @ .7A. I think I read that the N1 wall charger is 5v @ 1A. It'll charge a little faster, and will probably heat up the battery more, but it shouldn't destroy the phone. I'm sure somebody smarter will correct me, though.
i have some thoughts on battery life that id like to share.
our batterys are a " 3.7v" Li-Io.
a typical 3.7 li-io shuld have the folowing voltages...
4.2-4.25 fully charged
3.7v " nominal " charge
3.2v " sag" (voltage mesured when a nominal battery is hit with full rated discharge amperage)
3.0v discharged
2.5v the protection curcuitry kicks in
what ive been seeing on my vibrant is
4.24v @ 100%
currently im at 9% @ 3.709v
im projecting it to die @ 3.700v ie the " nominal " voltage
we are missing out on over half our battery potential.
i remember back in the G1 days when cyanogen lowered the shutdown voltage. i dont recall the values, but it helped.
now, i dont know if this is handled at a kernel level, or in the rom or what.
ive been doing experiments on my wife's hd2 running android, and seen great battery life even with it only having a 1200mah battery
it see's a full 4.2-3.0 discharge cycle
yes i know its diferent hardware, but the battery technology is the same, but we have a larger battery.
theres alot of talented dev's here, i doubt it'll take to long to find a solution to the early shutdown so we can finaly see full battery life.
Definitely sounds like there will be a viable solution to this. I don't know much of what you are talking about but i fully understand it. Cant wait for a solution.
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there is a great app that i know MacnutR12 supports that you can find here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8908951&postcount=178
you can change all the voltage, although i dont know if its how youre saying, you can play around with it and see how it goes.
ludachez said:
there is a great app that i know MacnutR12 supports that you can find here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=8908951&postcount=178
you can change all the voltage, although i dont know if its how youre saying, you can play around with it and see how it goes.
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um, no....
thats for reducing cpu voltage.. ie: undervolting...
im talking about actualy useing the battery's full potential rather than pretending its dead when it realy has 60% left.
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um, no....
thats for reducing cpu voltage.. ie: undervolting...
im talking about actualy useing the battery's full potential rather than pretending its dead when it realy has 60% left.
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Ah, ok. like i said it might not be what youre looking for...and i learned something
It is probably done this way to conserve battery life expectancy. I remember reading somewhere that unlike the old nickle based battery, Lithium ions likes to remain stimulated, as it likes to carry active charge and be topped off when ever possible. Oppose to discharging it completely and then recharge the battery. So at 3.7v vs 3.0v, you don't have the battery completely drained so that in long term it doesn't ast at least 2 years like the specification stated (2 years, drops capacity to 80% if battery is well taken care of, ie topped off when ever possible, modest temperature, humidity, etc.)
I am no battery expert just what I though might be the reason.
As stated above, this is done to increase the life of the battery. A LiIon battery can only be power cycled so many times before it looses too much capacity to be used any more. By not fully draining (or fully charging) the battery you are able to get more cycles out of it. Here's more info.
Of course if you figure out how to change the set levels, you will get more time per charge, but you might have to buy a new battery sooner.
I'd be willing to trade increased usage time for battery life span especially seeing as they are so cheap now a days. I'm not a dev or anything but it would seems like the problem is software related not hardware. I've been through 5-6 ROMs all with horrible battery life until installing Macnut R11 and suddenly getting almost double what I was getting before. Changing the battery voltage for better life per charge would be icing on top of the cake though.
right, i understand that for optimum longevity they recomend staying between 40-60%.
we currently are well above that, we are in 100-80% range. 3.7v is the nominal voltage and we are useing that for shutdown voltage. so basicly we are draining the surface charge of the battery as it comes off the charger.
think of it another way: a 12v battery in our car, is it realy dead when it drops to 12v? no.... if i recall, 10.2v is considered dead. and most batterys sit at about 14v just after you turn your car off.. ie: just off the charger...
heat is the primary killer of a li-io battery. more so than discharge cycles. ie: constant heat generated durring charge cycle does more damage than the cycle its self.
so if we are currently only useing the 100-80% range, and we were able to unlock the full 100-0% range, our run time would be greatly extended. the typical user probably charges over night, and durring the day if they think there going to need a top off. thats to charge cycles in 1 day.
lets say @ current useage you get 8 hours use, if we were to unlock the full capacity, we could get an easy 24hours of use, therefor kill the need to have a mid day charge cycle. the overall life span would increse not only due to the number of charge cycles, but also the heat cycles.
this would also make it easyer to stay in the optimum 60-40% range (we cant even drop to 60% right now) providing even better battery life....
i can see if samsung had chosen 3.5 or 3.2v for shutdown, those values would have goten awesome life. once again, it seems that samsung engineers just throw stuff at a wall and run with what ever sticks... hmm... the battery says 3.7v, i guess thats when its suposed to be dead?
Wow this is an interesting thread!
+10000000
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I think a dev should take a look at this , this can be a great breakthrough!
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On the vibrant, where is battery percentage calculated? Within the Kernel? Or is solely in hardware? What determines @ what voltage the battery should shutdown?
From what i can tell battery level is set in "mBatteryLevel" And that is set in the Status.java file. ( hxxp://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Settings.git;a=blob;f=src/com/android/settings/deviceinfo/Status.java )
But there is other stuff going on that i have no idea about...
I'd really like something to come of this. Like you guys, I'm sick of not getting a full day out of my battery. Bumping for great success!
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Hmmm... my phone seems to die at 3.2v. Not sure why yours is shutting off prematurely. Wipe batt stats?
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.......i can already hear the *****ing and the menstral cramps from the noobs.. They want 1.6 GHz kernels just to have bragging rights against G2 owners w/ 439565653 hour battery life too. Also the vibrant SAMOLED display brilliance isnt pretty for free, that sucks up most of the batter right there dont believe me, check ur batter stats ureself. u c HTC, Moto dont have a screen like this right now in the point of time for a reason. cant have both, It dont work that way...Just like You cant have a 1700 HP V24 engine and want 55 MPG out of it too...if this is u then thats pure ignorance. Myself personally thinks its basically software headaches from samsung that cause diff problems (bloatware running in background). All the hardware is doing is what its told by the software. If the software says run random apps in background, it does it but at the expense of battery life.
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Hmmm... my phone seems to die at 3.2v. Not sure why yours is shutting off prematurely. Wipe batt stats?
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what rom/kernel are you running? ive seen 4.2-3.7 on every combo ive used, battery wiped etc. i have evn pulled the battery and done a deep discharge to 3.0v
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.......i can already hear the *****ing and the menstral cramps from the noobs.. They want 1.6 GHz kernels just to have bragging rights against G2 owners w/ 439565653 hour battery life too. Also the vibrant SAMOLED display brilliance isnt pretty for free, that sucks up most of the batter right there dont believe me, check ur batter stats ureself. u c HTC, Moto dont have a screen like this right now in the point of time for a reason. cant have both, It dont work that way...Just like You cant have a 1700 HP V24 engine and want 55 MPG out of it too...if this is u then thats pure ignorance. Myself personally thinks its basically software headaches from samsung that cause diff problems (bloatware running in background). All the hardware is doing is what its told by the software. If the software says run random apps in background, it does it but at the expense of battery life.
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wow, thank you... ? do you blow every thing out of perportion? nice rant tho....
personaly, i usualy get 12-16 hours with moderate use. so i wouldnt say that i get " poor battery life , esp with the early cut off voltage.
I'm running Onyx 3.1 with the Voodoo kernel. Currently at 54% at 3.779v
My problem is with the standby drain-- I'm consistently losing 3% per hour even when sleeping. For some reason this ROM spends a lot of time doing VM swaps. Tried lowering minfree thresholds in OLCF, but system is still way too active.
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.......i can already hear the *****ing and the menstral cramps from the noobs.. They want 1.6 GHz kernels just to have bragging rights against G2 owners w/ 439565653 hour battery life too. Also the vibrant SAMOLED display brilliance isnt pretty for free, that sucks up most of the batter right there dont believe me, check ur batter stats ureself. u c HTC, Moto dont have a screen like this right now in the point of time for a reason. cant have both, It dont work that way...Just like You cant have a 1700 HP V24 engine and want 55 MPG out of it too...if this is u then thats pure ignorance. Myself personally thinks its basically software headaches from samsung that cause diff problems (bloatware running in background). All the hardware is doing is what its told by the software. If the software says run random apps in background, it does it but at the expense of battery life.
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Actually, I rather like my 1ghz. I underclock to 600/800 to try to conserve battery where possible and my phone runs just as smooth as it does at 1ghz.
Sure a little OC doesn't hurt, but really what's the point right now? There are no "practical" apps out now that demand more than 500mhz, and you can still do more than enough multi-tasking.
So instead of sounding like a pretenteous asshole, either contribute to the topic or shut the hell up.
Now then, I wanted to ask about the possibility of an extended battery for the Galaxy. Something with more amperage perhaps?
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I'm running Onyx 3.1 with the Voodoo kernel. Currently at 54% at 3.779v
My problem is with the standby drain-- I'm consistently losing 3% per hour even when sleeping. For some reason this ROM spends a lot of time doing VM swaps. Tried lowering minfree thresholds in OLCF, but system is still way too active.
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corect me if im wrong, but you shuldnt run one click with vodoo ...
Hey. Does someone you know, what is the highest (read: critical) battery and HW temperature in this phone? I am a little bit scared when I'm getting even 55*C on battery when I am using it as a navigation connected to charger in a car. I know it's too high because when it's heating over 49*C it stops charging. My question is how dangerous is such high temperature for HW and Battery? Is it normal behavior?
I never had such high temperatures, and I live on a hot country (Brazil). Try to check apps running in background, or, if you are using 3G and charger, it can get really hot. But I think it's normal, since my phone reaches 45ºC while charging, and I don't use 3G.
with 3g my phone gets crazy hot. i once left it on overnight (it didnt go to sleep) and when i woke up it felt dangerously hot, musta been 50deg or something
otherwise, with wifi it just gets warm... still worrying though, considering none of my other portable devices have ever gotten this hot before... just shows where all of the battery life goes to! :S
i dont think its the battery getting hot though, it must be the cell chip. my batt temps are usually pretty low, and the batt itself doesnt seem to get hot. its just the panel above the battery that warms up
My phone got so high temperature (55*C) when I was using navigation. Moreover it was pluged to the car charger (but wasn't charging because of high temperature) and mounted to the window in hot sunny day. And I'd like to know how dangerous is such high temp. for the device.
I wonder if we have dud phones? my battery life sucks ass... bare able on wifi, but **** with 3g
Agree with scott. With prolonged use my battery doesnt heat up, just the panel above the battery (where the camera is)
And my battery life sucks too. Gotta keep it charged in the car for even short (30 min) trips with navigation
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Try checking the manual (if there is) for operating temperatures etc.
I'm not exactly sure of how it'll affect the phone but it poses health problems due to higher radiations.
Try preventing this by ensuring all other (running) apps that you don't need are closed by using a task killer and all connectivity stuffs (eg. bluetooth, data sync) ESPECIALLY THE BACKGROUND DATA if you don't need it. Also, if possible try to refrain from covering the back panel (mainly the area near the camera) and allow ventilation to let it cool so it won't overheat.
What else I do is leaving the keyboard opened so there's even more surface area for it to cool.
The problem isn't just about damage, but that you don't want to be holding hot metal.
Yes it sucks but its a price to pay for such high specs packed in such a tiny casing.
My friend who owns Samsung Galaxy II has his phone heating up even more frequently and quickly, so we're not the only ones
Its annoying because we know its avoidable and shouldnt have been allowed in the final design by motorola
I've never seen such high temperatures with my M 2.
Highest was 47ºC while charging and playing a game. It usually sits around 35-36ºC idle, and 40-42º during games.
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I wonder if we have dud phones? my battery life sucks ass... bare able on wifi, but **** with 3g
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And my battery life sucks too. Gotta keep it charged in the car for even short (30 min) trips with navigation
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That's normal guys... Every device dying in a "few minutes" with 3G. And U know what? From my last 3 devices which I have been using to surf in the Internet with 3G (Moto RIZR Z8, Nokia N86, Moto Milestone 2), MM2 lasts the longest.
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Agree with scott. With prolonged use my battery doesnt heat up, just the panel above the battery (where the camera is)
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That's right, but every app just showing the battery temperature
Damn..
Yesterday my milestone 2 became hotter as ever, just above the battery (where the camera is, like newbietown). First I turned it off, but it stayed hot even then. After I removed the battery it became cool again.
But! Now my MS2 is completely dead...
It's really not turning on again, and charging is really weird (irregular flashin led). And my warranty is void because of me installing argen2stone I guess ..
Well, just flash a stock rom and they'll never know...
My phone is not recognized on my computer using USB . Can I still use rsd lite?
First get to bootloader mode: Power + Volume Up (or down) + Camera
If battery is too low you'll need to buy a relacement or a external charger.
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Try taking it to warranty. Argen2Stone is so lightly modded, maybe they won't mind it. Anyway, you have nothing to lose now. And this really looks like a HW problem, not SW
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Beginning of next week I will hand it in for warranty. I think it has something to do with the power circuit in the phone. Sometime i've used HTC chargers (1A) instead of the motorola charger (0,85A).. That could be the cause Hopefully they cannot see that.
I don't think that's a problem. I always use a Nokia charger, I find the original charger too short, the Nokia has a good lenght. And I never had problems with overheating. Also, 1A is the maximum current that the charger can provide, not the nominal [email protected] anytime
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For those who have bad battery life first charge your phone fully while on then turn phone off...plug the phone back into charger while it's off it will be a red light charge until green sometimes it takes another 20 mins .When done turn phone on and plug charger in again it will drop to 99% when 100 plug out now u have a fully calibrated battery..I am on the new firmware btw
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What do you basr yourself on for this??
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gemini002 said:
For those who have bad battery life first charge your phone fully while on then turn phone off...plug the phone back into charger while it's off it will be a red light charge until green sometimes it takes another 20 mins .When done turn phone on and plug charger in again it will drop to 99% when 100 plug out now u have a fully calibrated battery..I am on the new firmware btw
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i call BS lol this has been around since the htc hero days
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i call BS lol this has been around since the htc hero days
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Actually it's not b.s I noticed that around 80% my phone would drop down quickly to 70% and 30% would drop 3% instead of 1 so I did this method knowing that my battery was not fully charged.since I have done this no more quick drops...instead of saying b.s why not try it first then come to a conclusion smh
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I can vouch for this ...I am only trying to help those who gave bad battery drain...we do flash a lot on xda sometimes **** happens
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Instead of clowing u guys should try it..listen phone says fully charged for some but in reality it is not it will rapidly drop for example 90% but drops to 79% rapidly or drops 3% for no reason while screen is on is due to battery not fully calibrated/charged ..This happens from flashing roms sometimes this happens if you have battery issues try this method ..
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I used this method a couple of years ago on my DHD. It made a huge difference! i forgot all about this. I'll do it again later.
Thanks, I had a feeling the calibration was a little off since the phone shuts down at around 5%, let's see what happens.
Yeah, I do this on my galaxy note and sometinmes on my new one.
When 100,% through normal charging turn phone off and begin charge again. It will charge just that bit further.
One thing the note does better is thaat when off and charging you get a battery indicator on screen, not so with the one.
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I'm pretty sure the only way to get a full battery charge is to hold the phone upside down in your right hand, put your left hand on the back, and spin in 3 circles, counter clockwise. You must then quickly plug the charger (within 1 second), and spin the phone around the cable 3 times, in a clockwise direction this time. Only then can you ever hope to have a fully charged battery.
I can vouch for this. :good:
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Man that's total bull...... only 2 circles required
To be real for a minute if I may..... if you monitor the current draw by the phone when charging you will see that when the green led lights the phone is still pulling 60-70mA from the charger so it's still charging and can take a while longer for that draw to fall to 0mA. At this point it's fully charged.
Charging it as the OP suggests does actually allow this extra top up.
I actually think this does help with proper calibration a bit. Not sure why people are acting like children here.
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The topic of batteries makes people go crazy for some reason. I will toss in my own 2 cents, the thread title talks about improving battery "life". In this case we seem to be talking about "battery life per charge cycle" and people should just be aware seeking improvement in this area usually comes at the expense of a different kind of battery life, ie "battery life per phone".
I personally am one of those who is a little irritated by the non-replaceable battery on the One because I intend to keep the phone for many years. This applies to almost nobody else I realize, but for me this thread is a helpful summary of the exact steps I need to *avoid* if I want to get the longest lifetime (measured in years, not minutes) out of the battery.
NxNW said:
The topic of batteries makes people go crazy for some reason. I will toss in my own 2 cents, the thread title talks about improving battery "life". In this case we seem to be talking about "battery life per charge cycle" and people should just be aware seeking improvement in this area usually comes at the expense of a different kind of battery life, ie "battery life per phone".
I personally am one of those who is a little irritated by the non-replaceable battery on the One because I intend to keep the phone for many years. This applies to almost nobody else I realize, but for me this thread is a helpful summary of the exact steps I need to *avoid* if I want to get the longest lifetime (measured in years, not minutes) out of the battery.
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What's wrong with turning the phone off every once in a while and letting it charge up fully?
NxNW said:
The topic of batteries makes people go crazy for some reason. I will toss in my own 2 cents, the thread title talks about improving battery "life". In this case we seem to be talking about "battery life per charge cycle" and people should just be aware seeking improvement in this area usually comes at the expense of a different kind of battery life, ie "battery life per phone".
I personally am one of those who is a little irritated by the non-replaceable battery on the One because I intend to keep the phone for many years. This applies to almost nobody else I realize, but for me this thread is a helpful summary of the exact steps I need to *avoid* if I want to get the longest lifetime (measured in years, not minutes) out of the battery.
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I only needed to do it once...for regular charging I recommend charging while off then plug it out turn on and charge will drop to 99% when plugged in charge until light is green..or you can charge normal after this point your battery stats should be good
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Arcadia310 said:
What's wrong with turning the phone off every once in a while and letting it charge up fully?
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I only needed to do it once...for regular charging I recommend charging while off then plug it out turn on and charge will drop to 99% when plugged in charge until light is green..or you can charge normal after this point your battery stats should be good
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actually i'm totally cool with doing this procedure every once in a while as a way to just what it says, get a few extra minutes of battery life. hell, if very precise runtime estimates are important to you and this helps calibrate that, great. i'm all for that too. i actually *have* tried something like this and my phone didnt die and i'm sure i got a little extra run time that day.
i just wouldn't do it *every* day.
one of the findings in another thread around here (something about battery "health") was the battery ages quicker at higher voltages such as those used towards the end of the charging cycle. if you are willing to constrain yourself to charging the phone to *less* than 80% capacity (ie the opposite of what this thread is about) you will double the useful life of the actual LiOn (or LiPolymer or whatever) material in the phone.
that is all. not trying to discourage anyone from *ever* doing this procedure, just explaining why i actually strive to do the opposite most of the time.
carry on.
Known fact... it is impractical to FULLY charge up a battery while is is in use (hence, being drained). Plain and simple physics at work here and I can vouch for this based on the many years I worked in the Navy charging, repairing, replacing, and rebuilding naval vessel batteries. Granted these are not huge deep cycle batteries but the charging principles are the same.
As as matter of fact, just did the method the OP was kind enough to suggest to us and it worked like a charm. Noticed a higher mv reading on my battery! Not much but I will take it. Who would have figured on that...
+Thanks to OP for bringing this up.
EDIT: For the record, I would normally reach 4310-4313mV... after this I am reaching +4335mV - Not much but I'll take it.
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Thanks, I had a feeling the calibration was a little off since the phone shuts down at around 5%, let's see what happens.
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That's only because fast boot is most probably enabled...
Kahbrohn said:
Known fact... it is impractical to FULLY charge up a battery while is is in use (hence, being drained). Plain and simple physics at work here and I can vouch for this based on the many years I worked in the Navy charging, repairing, replacing, and rebuilding naval vessel batteries. Granted these are not huge deep cycle batteries but the charging principles are the same.
As as matter of fact, just did the method the OP was kind enough to suggest to us and it worked like a charm. Noticed a higher mv reading on my battery! Not much but I will take it. Who would have figured on that...
+Thanks to OP for bringing this up.
EDIT: For the record, I would normally reach 4310-4313mV... after this I am reaching +4335mV - Not much but I'll take it.
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Ahhhh vindication ...
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As fun as it is to mock, this most likely does work. HTC seem to be pretty bad at making battery algorithms, never found myself having to do this on the galaxy nexus or nexus 4. But my battery drops to 85 darn fast now and I'm pretty sure this will help. I remember this was helpful on the desire and desire HD too.
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A lot of people say this is merely a placebo effect, but I agree that it works very well for me with my device.
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