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Samsung i7500 vs HTC Magic

I think about either buying a i7500 or a Magic soon, but can't really decide which to pick :/
The i7500 has a very nice screen and a better design in general...
But I'm unsure whether it will ever get much community support, like you have here, for custom ROMs which give you all the nice features on your Magic which the other (newer) Android Phones (will) have. Like newer Interfaces (like the ones seen lately here on the forums).
What do you guys think?
My last phone was a HTC Niki, which is now seriously broken. I use my old outdoor Nokia atm.

Alienfreak said:
But I'm unsure whether it will ever get much community support, like you have here, for custom ROMs which give you all the nice features on your Magic which the other (newer) Android Phones (will) have. Like newer Interfaces (like the ones seen lately here on the forums).
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This was exactly how I felt however the advantages of this forum outweighed the 5mega pixels (I have a Lumix 10Mpixel camera with a flash) the extra memory (I can buy higher capacity SD card to meet my needs) and I prefer the design of the Magic...and it's available now

In my eyes the Magic is inferior by all means.
Except this forum
Also I will by it next month the earliest because I have so save a little money for it first (I'm still studying at University)

xda is the best reason to go with the Magic, no doubt. The Sammy is actually slightly better at almost everything, with a few exceptions, but that really doesn't matter.. without a great dev community like xda backing it, the Sammy is not worth zilch. At least not for power users.

You can get your hands on a magic today, and you have to wait on the Samsung. Most of the spec's seems to be better on the Samsung, but I prefer the design of the htc and I also like the trackball which seems handy for browsing.

I'm also unsure about which to get.
i7500:
Better Camera
LED Flash
More ROM
Better Battery
3.5mm Jack
AMOLED Display
Slimmer Build
Dedicated Camera Key
Price?
Magic:
288MB RAM (i7500 has 128MB)
XDA Dev
Available Now
450 Euro Price
Trackball
The choice is yours but I'm going to wait for reviews and comparisons of both devices. The price of the i7500 is also a big deal for me, but it hasn't been announced yet. I also want to see what becomes of Huawei's device; however I am quite sure it won't have the specs of the i7500 but you never know!

ma3a20 said:
I'm also unsure about which to get.
i7500:
Better Camera
LED Flash
More ROM
Better Battery
3.5mm Jack
AMOLED Display
Slimmer Build
Dedicated Camera Key
Price?
Magic:
288MB RAM (i7500 has 128MB)
XDA Dev
Available Now
450 Euro Price
The choice is yours but I'm going to wait for reviews and comparisons of both devices. The price of the i7500 is also a big deal for me, but it hasn't been announced yet. I also want to see what becomes of Huawei's device; however I am quite sure it won't have the specs of the i7500 but you never know!
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Also add the trackball to the Magic list.

LOL yea I didn't think the trackball would be to my liking but after having some serious hands-on time with the G1, i sort of got used to it. Seriously thinking about picking up an unlocked version from Timtechs, any one ever ordered from them? Would have ordered from handtec, but they do not carry it

FYI I attended the Australian media launch for the Samsung I7500 Galaxy Icon today
this is my mini-review http://www.bhatt.id.au/blog/samsung-i7500-galaxy-icon-android-mobile-smartphone-review/

the fact that 1st magic has the better design (i really find the galaxy awful looking) and the ram-thing(288 vs _128_(!!!)) plus availability of custom roms made me pick the magic.

Im buying a Samsung also
I really like my airtel HTC magic "now". Now that its rooted and thanks to the folks here at the Sapphire forum. The custom ROMs, the developer teams, the themes, the help. I like the magic in all regards. Its my very first Android phone and now with the market on it, with being able to easily add and upgrade applications, and getting rid of that crippled build that airtel India gave me...
But I am curious and I am a gadget boy I guess . So I'll just buy a Samsung and in fact I've pre-ordered it and it ships in a week or so.
I am going to punch the Donate button because I've been doing open source and Linux stuff for over 10 years and this stuff takes a lot of effort.

HTC HD2 or wait for...?

Well, it seems it is a though decision for many people besides me...
I went from a HTC Touch to a i780 from Samsung. Much better phone than the Touch as everybody should know. Used it for more than a year till I got my hands on a new Samsung Jet. Very nice phone, much lighter, smaller, nice interface, and above all a awesome display (AMOLED 800x480). So I bought it a few months ago, but... the problem is when someone is used to a real smartphone with all the software and apps available, and the true customization options... So, Jet to the closet and i780 back on use, but... always a "but"... after getting used to the awesome display, the i780 just looks like crap.
Ok, so even with lot's of phones on every corner of my house, I'm convinced to get something new. I've tried a HTC Hero from a friend and really liked the HTC Sense interface. Android also seem's to work fine under the Sense skin, but the display and an old OS version (android 1.6) doesn't convince me to spend my money as I know I'll always be thinking on something more "up to date".
I went through net surfing and some stores, and the HD2 is really a awesome device: great, great display, fast, etc... But as we know, soon there will be some great new devices: the HTC Supersonic (HD2 alike with Android); the HTC Bravo (much alike Nexus One, but with the awesome HTC Sense); and the Nexus One itself (not yet available in Portugal, but soon it will get here). Besides those, there will be a new iPhone soon, and I don't believe Apple want's to loose the race of smartphones with a new iPhone with lower specs than the others, so probably a great iPhone will come to the light. I must say, I'm a Mac user, but never felt the "need" for an iPhone, but I confess I really like it.
So, in my place, what would you do? HD2 right now or wait for the others?
Reference links:
HTC Supersonic
HTC Bravo
iPhone

Wait for the 5" Dell mini 5 on Android!
I think the new iphone will be very similar in specs to the ipad and it will not have any special '4G' apps. But I could be wrong.

4G is supposed to be the name of the new iPhone... I'm not thinking about new apps, only better specs: display, camera, faster cpu, etc...

By the time 4G/LTE is actually a reasonably implemented cellular standard across Europe, the iPhone "4G" will look like a toy from half a decade ago...
Be happy that there are at least a few places in Portugal with 7.2mbps HSDPA service, and generally available 3.6mbps/1.8mbps maximum speeds (all theoretical, of course).
Just get a HD2 now, friend.

I think you can expect a 5mpix camera, 1GHz Apple processor and MAYBE a better display... which means, in the best case, the specs will match the HTC Bravo.
So, I'd say forget about the iPhone. No iPhone could yet match the hardware specs of its competitors, and that won't change with the next version.
Question that remains: HTC Bravo or HD2... right now, I'd say Bravo, BUT that won't be available until March, which is when Windows Mobile 7 will have already been unveiled.
Bottom line: Wait until the announcement of Windows Mobile 7 on February 15. Chances are that it will blow away every bit of desire you now feel for Android or iPhone

blastop said:
By the time 4G/LTE is actually a reasonably implemented cellular standard across Europe, the iPhone "4G" will look like a toy from half a decade ago...
Be happy that there are at least a few places in Portugal with 7.2mbps HSDPA service, and generally available 3.6mbps/1.8mbps maximum speeds (all theoretical, of course).
Just get a HD2 now, friend.
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You are right my friend, but once more I want to make an attention call for this: iPhone 4G, it's only the name of the device. It doesn't mean it's built for 4th generation networks. At least, it's the name already seen in the source code of the latest updates of iPhone OS. The new iPhone, will be called 4G the same way it could be called 3GSS, or something else...

freyberry said:
I think you can expect a 5mpix camera, 1GHz Apple processor and MAYBE a better display... which means, in the best case, the specs will match the HTC Bravo.
So, I'd say forget about the iPhone. No iPhone could yet match the hardware specs of its competitors, and that won't change with the next version.
Question that remains: HTC Bravo or HD2... right now, I'd say Bravo, BUT that won't be available until March, which is when Windows Mobile 7 will have already been unveiled.
Bottom line: Wait until the announcement of Windows Mobile 7 on February 15. Chances are that it will blow away every bit of desire you now feel for Android or iPhone
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Aside from the awesome display, the Bravo it's the one most appealing. HD2 or Supersonic, really have great displays, but they are uncomfortable big to carry out on your pocket (pants pocket of course).
About Windows 7, let's wait and see. To say the true, I've always been a Linux/MacOS user and fan (I work as IT Security Specialist, so Windows is always a bad work tool), but to be honest, I've never had problems with Windows based mobile devices...
At least I hope WinMobile 7 to be as good as Windows 7 for PC.

Aside from the awesome display, the Bravo it's the one most appealing.
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Yeah, NOW... but as I said, by the time the Bravo gets available, you may already have seen WM7 and may not find the Bravo appealing anymore.
You should just wait now, it's a long time until Bravo, iPhone 4G etc. get available and with the speed that smartphones are evolving, what seems appealing now may already be boring with a month.
If you want a new phone right now, get the HD2. That's undoubtedly the best smartphone thats available now in Europe.
But if you don't mind waiting, just stop wondering now about what you should buy and wait what will happen.
And by the way, the HD2 will not be too big for your pocket at all. In fact, I find it more comfortable than the iPhone 3G and the Touch HD I had before, due to the reduced thickness.
At least I hope WinMobile 7 to be as good as Windows 7 for PC.
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Which would make it the best mobile OS
(says someone who has never touched Mac OS X again since the first beta of Windows 7)

freyberry said:
If you want a new phone right now, get the HD2. That's undoubtedly the best smartphone thats available now in Europe.
And by the way, the HD2 will not be too big for your pocket at all. In fact, I find it more comfortable than the iPhone 3G and the Touch HD I had before, due to the reduced thickness.
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Right now, it is really the best one. But will in the future be available an official OS update with WM7? This is probably the most popular question on the forum about the HD2, and if it really has some "hidden" memory to support it...
About it's size, I tried one in the shop when I was carrying my i780. It is bigger than the i780 and it really feels that big in my pocket, even without the leather case. Bigger than my i780, which is uncomfortable in the pocket (front left pocket of my pants) specially when driving... but I forgive it for the awesome display

Right now, it is really the best one. But will in the future be available an official OS update with WM7?
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The HD2 definitely supports it. It does not need any hidden memory, the official specs are enough. I can promise you this.
What I can not promise, is that HTC will release an official upgrade. If they don't there's still a chance that WM7 for the HD2 will be leaked.
But if you want to be sure, just wait another two weeks, cause it's likely that if they will release an official upgrade, they will announce it at the same time Microsoft annouces WM7.
My advice is: Wait for two weeks, and if you like WM7 and there will be an official upgrade, then buy the HD2.
If you don't like what Microsoft shows at MWC, then you can still think about what device to buy. Right now, wondering about what to buy is just a waste of time, because a lot will change in the next few weeks.

The wait will kill me

Anymore opinions?

JorgeMPVCosta said:
Well, it seems it is a though decision for many people besides me...
I went from a HTC Touch to a i780 from Samsung. Much better phone than the Touch as everybody should know. Used it for more than a year till I got my hands on a new Samsung Jet. Very nice phone, much lighter, smaller, nice interface, and above all a awesome display (AMOLED 800x480). So I bought it a few months ago, but... the problem is when someone is used to a real smartphone with all the software and apps available, and the true customization options... So, Jet to the closet and i780 back on use, but... always a "but"... after getting used to the awesome display, the i780 just looks like crap.
Ok, so even with lot's of phones on every corner of my house, I'm convinced to get something new. I've tried a HTC Hero from a friend and really liked the HTC Sense interface. Android also seem's to work fine under the Sense skin, but the display and an old OS version (android 1.6) doesn't convince me to spend my money as I know I'll always be thinking on something more "up to date".
I went through net surfing and some stores, and the HD2 is really a awesome device: great, great display, fast, etc... But as we know, soon there will be some great new devices: the HTC Supersonic (HD2 alike with Android); the HTC Bravo (much alike Nexus One, but with the awesome HTC Sense); and the Nexus One itself (not yet available in Portugal, but soon it will get here). Besides those, there will be a new iPhone soon, and I don't believe Apple want's to loose the race of smartphones with a new iPhone with lower specs than the others, so probably a great iPhone will come to the light. I must say, I'm a Mac user, but never felt the "need" for an iPhone, but I confess I really like it.
So, in my place, what would you do? HD2 right now or wait for the others?
Reference links:
HTC Supersonic
HTC Bravo
iPhone
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whats the point in waiting ? every few monats a new really cool phone come out. and you can not compare these phones, there is one windows mobile phone,3 android phones and a osx phone.

Um, what about the Diamond 3/Obsession, or whatever it will be called???
I'm itching to buy an HD2, I even went and had another play with one today : ) However, there are two things stopping me buying it. One is size, the other is that the lack of an AMOLED display.
At the end of last year I bought an Acer S200 with Snapdragon chip. It was awesome because it was so fast : ) The downside was the lack of people developing stuff for it here on XDA, so when the headphone jack failed after two weeks, I sent it back. The next phone I tried was an Omnia II, which was dog slow compared to the Acer, but, of course, it was a little bit smaller than the Acer and it had a beautiful AMOLED screen...
So, I reckon, if you're unsure of the size, wait until the MWC in a couple of weeks and see what is announced. If HTC release a WinMo device that is the size of the Bravo or smaller, but still has a 3.7" sreen and Snapdragon chip, I'm buying it ; )
With regard to WinMo 7, I have one big worry. What if the specs that have been leaked are a minumum standard??? What if our Snapdragon devices struggle to run it like earlier Qualcomm chipsets struggle with 6.5?? What if you actually need the faster Snapdragon, or even dual core Snapdragon chipset to run it well? Just a thought : )

If you want a new phone now, buy the HD2 as it is by far the best one out there. If you can wait, there is always something better coming in the future.
But then, if "something better" is finally out, there will probably be another something better if you can wait another while...

Ouzo said:
With regard to WinMo 7, I have one big worry. What if the specs that have been leaked are a minumum standard??? What if our Snapdragon devices struggle to run it like earlier Qualcomm chipsets struggle with 6.5?? What if you actually need the faster Snapdragon, or even dual core Snapdragon chipset to run it well? Just a thought : )
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Don't believe the bull**** people spread on the internet. The HD2 runs WM7 perfectly.

starchildx said:
and you can not compare these phones, there is one windows mobile phone,3 android phones and a osx phone.
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What he said. To me from what I've tried android is a big "meh", so it's out. iPhone is even more out for lack of multitasking, closed environment, etc. So that leaves only the HD2. And, good news, I've loved it when trying it. So my order will go out next week

You cannot chase technology and win my friend, whatever you buy now will be old in 4 months time. R&D is always way ahead. Whatever you buy, buy it for your needs and learn to be satisfied, remembering that they will ALWAYS be something new just around the corner, and if you don't adjust your thinking you will always be unhappy as soon as the next thing comes out.

LG Optimus 7 Demo

Optimus 7 Vid: Minute 19:00, 16GB Storage
I was starting to get scared with all these 8GB phones being leaked.

Yeah, but I wouldn't get an LG phone even if the offered a petabyte of storage.

vangrieg said:
Yeah, but I wouldn't get an LG phone even if the offered a petabyte of storage.
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I don't really care who the manufacturer is for wp7. Updates will come from MS, the minimum specs pretty much guarantee it can't be garbage. Can uninstall anything back to stock. So who makes the phone is less of an issue than wm, or android imo.
you'll never lose support, so as long as the spec sheet looks nice, it's all game to me.
As an aside...they picked a better name than a lot of the other makers. Schubert, Mozart, Cetus, Trophy, and/or Random Letter + Numbers. Phones that do well tend to have a catchy name, eg: Razr, Droid, Blackjack, Sidekick. They have a certain cutting edge feel.

Yes, you'll get updates and because all WP7 devices are essentially all the same you shouldn't worry about drivers as well, but no amount of updates will help you when your phone will start looking like crap because of cheap materials and falling apart because of poor build quality.

pretty form factor but I hate how windows phone 7 phones have no physical call buttons. they still are phones right?

vangrieg said:
Yes, you'll get updates and because all WP7 devices are essentially all the same you shouldn't worry about drivers as well, but no amount of updates will help you when your phone will start looking like crap because of cheap materials and falling apart because of poor build quality.
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Ironically the LG Optimus 7 is one of the best built WP7 phones out there, bar perhaps the HTC Mozart.

g2 or g2x?

title says it all, but just to expand...
my contract just passed the 22 month mark, but im wondering if it would be a smarter idea to get the g2 and see what happens after the potential merger and what promotional deals i could get (if any). or i could be safe and get a g2x and be able to use both frequency bands of att and tmobile. I do realize that the g2x has a dual core, hdmi output, etc, but honestly specs dont matter that much to me; im perfectly content with the g2's good speed. theres also the fact that the g2 has a keyboard, while obviously the g2x does not. i currently have a g1, and i find it hard to switch to virtual keyboards. So guys, input?
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well, i personally love hard keyboards but after getting use to swype, i can honestly say I can do without a hard keyboard. I'd prefer the g2x simply because it will set you up for the future. I'm waiting for my upgrade and switching to the g2x. I love the g2 and all but soon enough, apps and all will be updated to support multi cores. Plus i think the g2x's screen is better, looks better i mean. Up to you

At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology. Phones like the G2X and other upcoming dual core superphones like the Galaxy S II (or Galaxy S Pro if you want a keyboard) should be the ones you're looking at.
I see no value in buying a phone that came out in October last year at this point. Don't get me wrong the G2 is an awesome phone and I really like it, but there's no reason to buy this old of a phone with all these great ones coming out.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year? I think a phone that comes out this month has a much better chance at that.

So little love for the G2 already? I'm shocked.
I have had mine for 5 months or so now but I honestly think If I was to upgrade from my old handset RIGHT NOW, I would either get the still G2 or wait for something else to drop from HTC with a hardware keyboard.
My last handset was a Hero and for the entire 8-10 months I had that I always regretted not getting a G1 ... (a) for the kb.... (b) for the dev support!!!!! There was always more going on with the G1 than the Hero.
I think I'll be content with my G2 for another 12months yet.

My wife just got a phone last week. We went into the tmobile store and personally i dont see anything better then a g2. g2x doesnt even count imo... it isnt in the G family on so many levels.
G2 is working great for me so she wanted a g2 also. Shes very happy with it, but then again she came from a motorola cliq lol.

You posted the same question in the Q & A subforum.
Cross posting the same question to multiple subforums is against forum rules, and unnecessary.

I have a G2 since December and my girl just got a G2 now. The reason she wanted a G2 was because she was switching to t-mobile and wanted a phone with a keyboard. We decided that the G2 was good enough for her as it was quick for what she does and has swype as well.
She got the G2 for free with no dataplan required so it was a good deal.
Sure a dual core phone would have been nice, but it would be overkill for her. Front facing camera is a nice feature, but she won't be using it much, or even at all. She didn't want to drop $200 for the latest phone and pay $30 dataplan for the next 2 years.
She just love to text, email and go on facebook. She came from an iphone 3G so it was a big upgrade imo.

martonikaj said:
At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology. Phones like the G2X and other upcoming dual core superphones like the Galaxy S II (or Galaxy S Pro if you want a keyboard) should be the ones you're looking at.
I see no value in buying a phone that came out in October last year at this point. Don't get me wrong the G2 is an awesome phone and I really like it, but there's no reason to buy this old of a phone with all these great ones coming out.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year? I think a phone that comes out this month has a much better chance at that.
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He using a G1 currently... do you honestly think the G2 is outdated compared to his current phone? It will a GIANT improvement over a G1 and you get to keep the qwerty kb. Trust me, I even fired it up the other day and it was unbearable.... The G2X has nice guts but looks like a plastic pos from LG (typical) and the extra frequency won't freaking matter for 3 years+ The stupid merger will be blocked for a year and a half (at least) and another year and a half before your 3G towers are gone (you still have 2G after that). By that time, 3D phones will be becoming mainstream (or at least more popular) and dual processors will be improved while quads are arriving on tables. The G2 is a good choice for a couple of years. Hell, you can overclock to almost 2GHz! That's plenty fast for now and the near future. The only issue I see is RAM is low compared to newer high end models but the cpu makes up for it with a little OCing...

martonikaj said:
At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year?
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Consider that this gentleman is still on a g1 which at this stage is genuinely outdated some two years after release. I think if he moved to the direct successor to this venerable handset he would be quite pleased. The brief overlay between release and the present day has merely allowed the dev community time to support the device. Instead, if he did what you suggest and get a g2x (which lacks a hard keyboard, something he seems fond of) he would have to wait some months for it to be cracked and the dev community to support it.
Not to mention that dual core phones are still relatively new tech. Even if the hardware is screaming fast, every dual core phone released so far has some sort of software issue and do you really genuinely believe that the carrier or vendor will be quick to patch these issues? Consider the Engadget review of the LG Optimus2x
Where we were left disappointed, however, was in the company's software execution. Neat little tweaks to Android's default interface failed to obscure the fact that the Optimus 2X is neither as responsive nor as stable as it should be. You might be able to rectify those flaws by installing one of the inevitable avalanche of custom ROMs that this device will benefit from, but we're here to review LG's own performance and we find the failure to deliver a reliable platform inexcusable.
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And the Atrix4g review
The Bad
Motoblur and AT&T bloatware onboard
Isn't running most recent Android release
Software can be slightly buggy
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Though speculating on the end product that HTC will produce is nothing more than conjecture at this stage, these types of commentary lead me to believe that despite the frankly staggeringly good physical hardware, albeit lacking the desired keyboard, the current iteration of dual core smartphones aren't really ready for the consumer market. Their battery life is acceptable, but that goes away when you really are trying to utilize the benefits of having a dual core setup in terms of snappy multitasking.
Get the G2 man. You'll be holding onto it for a while and whatever crop of phones ATT comes out with assuming this merger goes through will probably not live up to the high quality you'll find in the G2. Even now the Dev community is still supporting the G1 so as to if the G2 is going to be "relevant" in a year, that is a silly question. What about all those people who wish to stay off contract yet desire a decent handset at a cheaper price since it is a used model? Dismissing a handset offhand as being "old" and "outdated" despite obvious evidence against this assertion is both shortsighted and closed minded.

initial_k said:
She didn't want to drop $200 for the latest phone and pay $30 dataplan for the next 2 years.
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I hope no one here is paying 30 a month for unlimited. 20 dollars a month its called "android preferred" or something like that. 3 people included myself on our family plan have internet for 20 a month. Just ***** and moan and u can get it too.

things i dislike about the g2x.
no camera button
camera pokes out so uneven backside
i think the review say it has no lens cover so prone to dust
Not a big modding community yet.

I love my G2 and will be happy with it for at least the next 2 years. But, if I were getting a phone now, I would probably get the G2x or more likely wait for the Pyramid.
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tvdang7 said:
things i dislike about the g2x.
no camera button
camera pokes out so uneven backside
i think the review say it has no lens cover so prone to dust
Not a big modding community yet.
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the g2x hasnt even come out yet, that was the optimus 2x, which had its own lg skin over it.
this phone, with the g in the g2x, is mostly stock android with a bit of bloatware put in. you cant say it has a small mod community when it hasnt even come out yet.

Here's really what it boils down to: do you need a physical keyboard or not? A physical keyboard is an absolute must for me, and regardless of the hardware specs I need that keyboard. Right now there just aren't a ton of options on the market, for whatever reason, for a great phone with a physical keyboard, but the G2 is a fantastic one, and easily the best on the market next to the Sprint/HTC Evo Shift (since it's the same internals as the G2 anyway). Remember, even flagships like the Xperia Play have nearly the same exact hardware as the G2, so it's not like it's a crappy phone or something, just not cutting edge any more.

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the g2x hasnt even come out yet, that was the optimus 2x, which had its own lg skin over it.
this phone, with the g in the g2x, is mostly stock android with a bit of bloatware put in. you cant say it has a small mod community when it hasnt even come out yet.
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Hardware wise its the same phone and will be the same subforum .just like the g2 AND desire Z , HTC leo AND the HD2.

Sure the specs on the G2x is amazing, but i would perfer my G2 over the G2x anyday. What I love about my G2 is that it has a beautiful qwerty keyboard & personailly the g2x looks like plastic. The G2 looks like a ****ing Rock. So which one do you rather have a big peice of crappy Plastic or a nice tough looking Rock.

Like others have said here is my list of importance.
1. physical keyboard (i must have it, i cannot do without it)
2. android os (duh...)
3. spec (finally my 3rd i would finally have to start looking at speed and memory)
Maybe the keyboard isnt important to you, if that is so then you have a much larger selection.

G2!
G2 all the way!
Once you've gone hardware keyboard you cant go back. The keyboard is really a big draw the phone has. There aren't really any negative traits about the G2, besides that it's just slightly older. The 800 mhz processor isn't a negative trait about the phone. HTC makes much higher quality phones that LG (in my opinion). And there is not really anything that the G2x has that the G2 doesn't, aside from being game-focused (or at least the T-Mobile website makes it sound game-focused.
My vote is for the G2 for sure.

Vandale said:
Sure the specs on the G2x is amazing, but i would perfer my G2 over the G2x anyday. What I love about my G2 is that it has a beautiful qwerty keyboard & personailly the g2x looks like plastic. The G2 looks like a ****ing Rock. So which one do you rather have a big peice of crappy Plastic or a nice tough looking Rock.
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A shiny rock But yeah, qwerty plus HTC and quality exterior beat LG anyday.

Mog said:
My wife just got a phone last week. We went into the tmobile store and personally i dont see anything better then a g2. g2x doesnt even count imo... it isnt in the G family on so many levels.
G2 is working great for me so she wanted a g2 also. Shes very happy with it, but then again she came from a motorola cliq lol.
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I came from the cliq... I feel her pain. Dont get me wrong, that phone was like a better iPhone sacrificing the High-End games. But man if its 1 thing I learned from that lesson. Its patients, timing and the right manufacture.
The G2 has a few things no other phone tmobile to date has to offer. Total Openess. Means long community support. G1 still fully supported cause its pure google. Only other phone is the Nexus S which lacks Keyboard, no SDCard, and is Samsung.
Not a single Dual-Core phone is pure Google yet or even a popular HTC for that matter (Like the EVO). Now the Evo 3D would be a good by because itll be way ahead of every1 else, be purchased by many, and its HTC. Most importantly translate to a large Community Base/Support.

DVP vs Gen 2 Handsets

I am in a dilemma, the DVP has come done in price in India to approx Rs.20K and I am tempted to buy one next month as a gift to myself.
This puts it up against the the Nokia 710, HTC Radar and the Samsung Omnia W (when it gets released). Both the newer handsets have more powerful processors, but smaller screens and no keyboard.
I would be totally new to WP7, what software features does the newer handsets have that the DVP doesn't? (I am going to answer my own question and say there are no differences, but can actual users please confirm?).
What hardware differences are there between the DVP and the newer gen handsets? I would mainly be using it for light business use, but heavy multimedia and gaming. As gaming will play a big factor, would new game releases become unplayable on the DVP? How long will the DVP hardware last before it becomes obsolete?
What negatives are there to the DVP compared to other WP7 handsets?
I would normally keep a handset for around 2 yrs. I know the DVP is already being discontinued around Europe. Is it worth buying an old model and will it last at leaset another 2 years?

I know some phones are starting to come out that have front facing cameras. Also, the Venue Pro is not very popular with devs, all the other phones are getting interop unlocks and Wifi hotspot hacks and the DVP isn't. I'm not sure exactly, but there are discrepancies going around about what kind of WiFi chip the DVP has, so it may not even be able to support wireless tethering. Media is great, I watch Netflix and other movies on it regularly. Games...ehh...WP7 is probably not the way you want to go when it comes to games. I mean, there are some, but definitely not as many coming out on Android or iOS. With all that said, I love my DVP. I love a physical keyboard and the unique portrait slider design of this phone never gets old. Email from my work is sent to my phone, I take notes on my phone, I make drafts of Word papers on it. It's definitely professional looking. Once you get over the no front facing camera, no interop unlock, *possible* no wifi hotspot, and not many games in the marketplace (you can look on the windows phone website to see all the games available now) you will definitely love the phone. Unless any drastic changes come to the OS, I think it'll last you a couple years.

Hardware-wise, DVP lacks
* A functional compass
* Network features: hidden wi-fi SSD and tethering
* A front-facing camera
Other than that I would not worry too much about it becoming obsolete, any more than the gen-2 handsets.

Best deal, hands down IMO.
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abowlby said:
Best deal, hands down IMO.
Sent from my Venue Pro using XDA Windows Phone 7 App
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Agreed I got mine for £179

Thanks for all the replies.
I am tempted, the lack of Front Camera is not a huge deal breaker for me, but the Compass not working, network features issue and interop unlocks would bother me.
Had these issues not been there, it was my first choice of handset.
Now I need to find the next best alternative (as for WP7).

Hey, are you sure about dropping DVP?
I bought it as a XMas gift for my daughter, and it's been performing wonderously since then.
The NW issue is not a deal-breaker - it's a limitation in WP7, fixed now in Mango.
Unlock is not relevant to India. All phones are anyway sold without contracts.

i think for 20k rs ur better off with the dvp..i personally use one and am really happy with the device..bought the phone as soon as it was released..the initial batch had some firmware problems which were resolved later on...its a really nice phone if you could look over the ffc and the compass which i think could be fixed in a future firmware release..plus the second generation phones have not much difference in hardware except for a slight bump in speed as ive seen it...

i would go for the 2nd gen anyday.

There don't seem to be any Gen 2 handsets with hardware keyboards, so the DVP is a good choice if you need a keyboard.
One other thing to consider is that the Gen 2 handsets are almost certain to be updated to Windows Phone 8. I haven't seen any guidance on whether the launch devices (including DVP) will receive Windows Phone 8 later this year - they may or may not. If you're planning to keep the phone for 2 years, this may be worth considering.

me personnel opinion is that win phone 8 will come to gen 1 devices...cos Apollo is slated for a 2012 release and as of now not many gen 2 handsets have come out with the latest being lumia 900 and htc titan2..talks of a samsung mendel has been going around..and the initially released gen 2 handsets(which do not have much difference with the first win phone handsets other than having mango preloaded and a slight bump in speed)but then thats it..i dont think microsoft would just want a few models trotting apollo since thats supposed to be one of their highlights in 2012....just my opinion though...

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me personnel opinion is that win phone 8 will come to gen 1 devices...cos Apollo is slated for a 2012 release and as of now not many gen 2 handsets have come out with the latest being lumia 900 and htc titan2..talks of a samsung mendel has been going around..and the initially released gen 2 handsets(which do not have much difference with the first win phone handsets other than having mango preloaded and a slight bump in speed)but then thats it..i dont think microsoft would just want a few models trotting apollo since thats supposed to be one of their highlights in 2012....just my opinion though...
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Good arguement. I disagree though. I don't see Apollo hitting gen 1 devices. Many of the gen 1 devices, were old design, old hardware. They lacked the ability to do 4g and other accepted 'Now" functions....There may be 1 or 2 devices from gen 1 that could qualify, but, if looking for a continuing impact, Apollo on new devices, keeps the Wow going. Though I believe the Lumia 900 could be a Apollo device, the Lumia 710 most likely isn't. Now that OEMs are getting Windows Phones updated or compatible ( with android) hardware, I would think they would want those gen 1 devices to leave the market. Just my opinion....

nutnithin said:
me personnel opinion is that win phone 8 will come to gen 1 devices...cos Apollo is slated for a 2012 release and as of now not many gen 2 handsets have come out with the latest being lumia 900 and htc titan2..talks of a samsung mendel has been going around..and the initially released gen 2 handsets(which do not have much difference with the first win phone handsets other than having mango preloaded and a slight bump in speed)but then thats it..i dont think microsoft would just want a few models trotting apollo since thats supposed to be one of their highlights in 2012....just my opinion though...
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Actually I think that is what Ms wants. I think the apple model is their 'dream' destination. The various makes and models are for android competitors. Also, I believe everyone 'ideally' wants to drop the keyboard. Each year fewer and fewer are made...and designed.
I think the Ms models gives us low end, high end and something in between...in several different colors.