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Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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Heh, google is the inverse of apple
...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.
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i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.
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Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.
Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...
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oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
Namuna said:
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.
I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.
So there won't be a N1 successor ??
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I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.
No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!
I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate
Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.
After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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I watched all of CES and I've been following MWC a bit more loosely but not a single one of them makes me want to give up my Nexus S. If you could keep my SNS I'd love to have an HTC Pyramid on top of it but just for poops and giggles. The SNS is the best phone I've owned and I love it.
I feel the same way as you do, but you can also run stock on a Galaxy S II or Motorola Atrix, with Custom ROMs. Of course, it won't be the same as with the Nexus S.
I just like the Nexus s as a whole. What I mean to say with that is that stock Android and updates from Google isn't the only thing I like about the Nexus.
I feel the same. I haven't seen anything that I would want instead of my Nexus S. Vanilla Android beats all
I feel the same..
while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide
None of these new phones are appealing to me at all.
I'll only buy into the Nexus brand from now on. This phone has been everything I've ever wanted from an Android device.
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while i like direct upgrades from Google in the SNS
i really like the hardware codec support for all the media files from the SGS2, and the dual core, and 1GB RAM, and the larger 1650mAh battery, and the 8 mpix camera with the flash, and the microSD support, and NFC, and BT3.0, and...
it's a really hard decision to make, forfeit direct upgrades to get all the goodies vs. keep direct upgrades, and have no goodies
the moment of truth will come when the AWS t-mobile model 1700+2100 hit the runway then i'll let me greed decide
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and super amoled+. I'm looking forward to a 4" variant, if they make one.
Love my Nexus S. The hardware, the fact that is supported straight from Google, everything about it.
I'm not saying i'm not curious about the new dual core devices, but think about that for a minute: our single core phones go through a day - day and half with a 1540mA battery. Imagine the talk/standby time of those new phones with only 1650 and 1900 mA batteries. When sth just comes out, usually needs work. Like Win7, dual core phones, the android when it ws first launched.
So, i think i'm gonna wait a while before trying a new device.
Google Nexus S rules...
For the most part, I agree. There's nothing so appealing to make me want to ditch my current Nexus S, however, understand what "stock Android" means.
Yes, you get the latest Google updates, and you get the unhampered Android experience, but just be aware that Android is riddled with glitches ranging from minor annoyances to some pretty major issues. (Just to name a few off my head: keyboard issues, home screen icon and swiping issues, gallery issues, rebooting issues, SMS and MMS issues...)
As long as you understand that being on the Nexus line means you're essentially the "beta tester" for Google's Android iterations, then you shouldn't be disappointed. I'm just sharing my personal experience. I found many things critical about the Android experience on previous phones, but always had OEM skins to blame. On the NS, that excuse is invalid.
I too am fairly disappointed with all of the new phones (including the NS to an extent).
Atrix = Plastic, and has Moto's locked down bootloader (major negative, and if it wasn't so locked down, I may have made an exception for its cheaper build quality).
Inspire 4G = Nothing too impressive, still has HTCs horrible mic and speaker quality and probably a ****ty digitizer/touch screen.
HTCs entire new lineup: No dual core? No gingerbread for the Incredible? Minimal upgrades at best.
SGSII = Plastic.
Nexus S = Plastic.
I may be old fashioned, but can anyone other than HTC make a $600+ Android phone that isn't plastic? Or what? Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
Until then, the iPhone still has an edge over Android with their polished build quality. I'm probably going to get attacked with fanboi'ism (even though I've owned 3 Android devices in the last 2 years), but whatever... it's true... There always seems to be trade offs with Android devices, whether it's build, or OS fragmentation - it drives me crazy.
I'm going to be picking up an Android fun to bum around with, and it's most likely going to be the Nexus S when and if it arrives to Rogers, just because it's the next iteration of the Nexus One. I'll put up with the cheap build quality (I'll try really hard not to drop it) and call it a day.
Ill stay with my Nexy Sexy
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Combine HTCs metal build, Moto's excellent speaker quality, Samsung's sensitive touchscreen, and then tack on the true Google experience -- and there you have it, the perfect Android device.
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I 100% completely agree in that point
why it is so hard for all the manufacture to put all the best stuff together and make a perfect phone?
seems like every manufacture only specializes in 1 thing, but not the rest of the phone.
personally i wanted a phone for work and fun, so the Nexus S fit the profile, just a bit disappointing in the reception area, and speaker, it serves better as a PDA than a phone
for my girl i got her a Moto because it's radio and speaker perfect, it will always get a signal, it was designed as a phone, and it works as a phone
I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).
I'm sold on the idea of a google backed phone. Now I just need to save up for one of these and find a way out of my contract with sprint. I am just tired of the run around with updates between carrier/mfg. I think I am over the need for having the latest and greatest and can settle down with one device for a while until the newest nexus comes around. A small trade off in my opinion as I will still have the latest OS and support from great devs and plenty of time to save for the next one. Last plus for me is being able to get on a month to month service and no more contracts. I'm on my way over guys, just saving up some cash then its on ;-)
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Have you seen the LG Optimus 2X reviews? Force closes and crashes left and right... talk about half baked.
DarkAgent said:
I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
P.S. Atrix might have a lot of things going for it, but the most major innovation I find in the Atrix is the huge battery and great battery life, without sacrificing phone size (in regards to thickness).
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So far none of these new phones make me want to give up my NS either.
Atrix - locked bootloader
SGS2 - too big, not a fan of the design - I want a search button!
LG 2x - its an LG lol
I may change my mind once I get to play with these phones
Alopez_45 said:
After CES and MWC seeing new phones being announced. Like for example the Motorola Atrix and The new Galaxy S II. I would still want to get the Nexus S probably because of the stock android. Is this normal, are there any other people that feel the same way as I do?
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+1
I have a Nexus S and it's awesome. Stock Android is the only way to go.
I'm not gonna lie. I'm still thinking of getting one, even with all the phones on the horizon. My upgrade from T-Mobile isn't until July. Tax return is burning a hole in my pocket... If only they had a car dock like the Nexus One...
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I must say I regret dropping $600 on this phone at the eve of dual-cores. It is not that the Nexus S is "bad"; sure 2.3 isn't 100% bug-free but the phone itself is great. I just find it really dumb of me to purchase a phone with single core when dual-cores are right around the corner.
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Would it be dumb to get a dual core phone with QUAD CORE phones right around the corner?
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my contract just passed the 22 month mark, but im wondering if it would be a smarter idea to get the g2 and see what happens after the potential merger and what promotional deals i could get (if any). or i could be safe and get a g2x and be able to use both frequency bands of att and tmobile. I do realize that the g2x has a dual core, hdmi output, etc, but honestly specs dont matter that much to me; im perfectly content with the g2's good speed. theres also the fact that the g2 has a keyboard, while obviously the g2x does not. i currently have a g1, and i find it hard to switch to virtual keyboards. So guys, input?
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well, i personally love hard keyboards but after getting use to swype, i can honestly say I can do without a hard keyboard. I'd prefer the g2x simply because it will set you up for the future. I'm waiting for my upgrade and switching to the g2x. I love the g2 and all but soon enough, apps and all will be updated to support multi cores. Plus i think the g2x's screen is better, looks better i mean. Up to you
At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology. Phones like the G2X and other upcoming dual core superphones like the Galaxy S II (or Galaxy S Pro if you want a keyboard) should be the ones you're looking at.
I see no value in buying a phone that came out in October last year at this point. Don't get me wrong the G2 is an awesome phone and I really like it, but there's no reason to buy this old of a phone with all these great ones coming out.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year? I think a phone that comes out this month has a much better chance at that.
So little love for the G2 already? I'm shocked.
I have had mine for 5 months or so now but I honestly think If I was to upgrade from my old handset RIGHT NOW, I would either get the still G2 or wait for something else to drop from HTC with a hardware keyboard.
My last handset was a Hero and for the entire 8-10 months I had that I always regretted not getting a G1 ... (a) for the kb.... (b) for the dev support!!!!! There was always more going on with the G1 than the Hero.
I think I'll be content with my G2 for another 12months yet.
My wife just got a phone last week. We went into the tmobile store and personally i dont see anything better then a g2. g2x doesnt even count imo... it isnt in the G family on so many levels.
G2 is working great for me so she wanted a g2 also. Shes very happy with it, but then again she came from a motorola cliq lol.
You posted the same question in the Q & A subforum.
Cross posting the same question to multiple subforums is against forum rules, and unnecessary.
I have a G2 since December and my girl just got a G2 now. The reason she wanted a G2 was because she was switching to t-mobile and wanted a phone with a keyboard. We decided that the G2 was good enough for her as it was quick for what she does and has swype as well.
She got the G2 for free with no dataplan required so it was a good deal.
Sure a dual core phone would have been nice, but it would be overkill for her. Front facing camera is a nice feature, but she won't be using it much, or even at all. She didn't want to drop $200 for the latest phone and pay $30 dataplan for the next 2 years.
She just love to text, email and go on facebook. She came from an iphone 3G so it was a big upgrade imo.
martonikaj said:
At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology. Phones like the G2X and other upcoming dual core superphones like the Galaxy S II (or Galaxy S Pro if you want a keyboard) should be the ones you're looking at.
I see no value in buying a phone that came out in October last year at this point. Don't get me wrong the G2 is an awesome phone and I really like it, but there's no reason to buy this old of a phone with all these great ones coming out.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year? I think a phone that comes out this month has a much better chance at that.
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He using a G1 currently... do you honestly think the G2 is outdated compared to his current phone? It will a GIANT improvement over a G1 and you get to keep the qwerty kb. Trust me, I even fired it up the other day and it was unbearable.... The G2X has nice guts but looks like a plastic pos from LG (typical) and the extra frequency won't freaking matter for 3 years+ The stupid merger will be blocked for a year and a half (at least) and another year and a half before your 3G towers are gone (you still have 2G after that). By that time, 3D phones will be becoming mainstream (or at least more popular) and dual processors will be improved while quads are arriving on tables. The G2 is a good choice for a couple of years. Hell, you can overclock to almost 2GHz! That's plenty fast for now and the near future. The only issue I see is RAM is low compared to newer high end models but the cpu makes up for it with a little OCing...
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At this point, the G2 shouldn't even be on your short list of phones to consider. It's old technology.
You just have to ask yourself, could you really see the G2 being relevant this time next year?
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Consider that this gentleman is still on a g1 which at this stage is genuinely outdated some two years after release. I think if he moved to the direct successor to this venerable handset he would be quite pleased. The brief overlay between release and the present day has merely allowed the dev community time to support the device. Instead, if he did what you suggest and get a g2x (which lacks a hard keyboard, something he seems fond of) he would have to wait some months for it to be cracked and the dev community to support it.
Not to mention that dual core phones are still relatively new tech. Even if the hardware is screaming fast, every dual core phone released so far has some sort of software issue and do you really genuinely believe that the carrier or vendor will be quick to patch these issues? Consider the Engadget review of the LG Optimus2x
Where we were left disappointed, however, was in the company's software execution. Neat little tweaks to Android's default interface failed to obscure the fact that the Optimus 2X is neither as responsive nor as stable as it should be. You might be able to rectify those flaws by installing one of the inevitable avalanche of custom ROMs that this device will benefit from, but we're here to review LG's own performance and we find the failure to deliver a reliable platform inexcusable.
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And the Atrix4g review
The Bad
Motoblur and AT&T bloatware onboard
Isn't running most recent Android release
Software can be slightly buggy
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Though speculating on the end product that HTC will produce is nothing more than conjecture at this stage, these types of commentary lead me to believe that despite the frankly staggeringly good physical hardware, albeit lacking the desired keyboard, the current iteration of dual core smartphones aren't really ready for the consumer market. Their battery life is acceptable, but that goes away when you really are trying to utilize the benefits of having a dual core setup in terms of snappy multitasking.
Get the G2 man. You'll be holding onto it for a while and whatever crop of phones ATT comes out with assuming this merger goes through will probably not live up to the high quality you'll find in the G2. Even now the Dev community is still supporting the G1 so as to if the G2 is going to be "relevant" in a year, that is a silly question. What about all those people who wish to stay off contract yet desire a decent handset at a cheaper price since it is a used model? Dismissing a handset offhand as being "old" and "outdated" despite obvious evidence against this assertion is both shortsighted and closed minded.
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She didn't want to drop $200 for the latest phone and pay $30 dataplan for the next 2 years.
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I hope no one here is paying 30 a month for unlimited. 20 dollars a month its called "android preferred" or something like that. 3 people included myself on our family plan have internet for 20 a month. Just ***** and moan and u can get it too.
things i dislike about the g2x.
no camera button
camera pokes out so uneven backside
i think the review say it has no lens cover so prone to dust
Not a big modding community yet.
I love my G2 and will be happy with it for at least the next 2 years. But, if I were getting a phone now, I would probably get the G2x or more likely wait for the Pyramid.
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things i dislike about the g2x.
no camera button
camera pokes out so uneven backside
i think the review say it has no lens cover so prone to dust
Not a big modding community yet.
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the g2x hasnt even come out yet, that was the optimus 2x, which had its own lg skin over it.
this phone, with the g in the g2x, is mostly stock android with a bit of bloatware put in. you cant say it has a small mod community when it hasnt even come out yet.
Here's really what it boils down to: do you need a physical keyboard or not? A physical keyboard is an absolute must for me, and regardless of the hardware specs I need that keyboard. Right now there just aren't a ton of options on the market, for whatever reason, for a great phone with a physical keyboard, but the G2 is a fantastic one, and easily the best on the market next to the Sprint/HTC Evo Shift (since it's the same internals as the G2 anyway). Remember, even flagships like the Xperia Play have nearly the same exact hardware as the G2, so it's not like it's a crappy phone or something, just not cutting edge any more.
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the g2x hasnt even come out yet, that was the optimus 2x, which had its own lg skin over it.
this phone, with the g in the g2x, is mostly stock android with a bit of bloatware put in. you cant say it has a small mod community when it hasnt even come out yet.
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Hardware wise its the same phone and will be the same subforum .just like the g2 AND desire Z , HTC leo AND the HD2.
Sure the specs on the G2x is amazing, but i would perfer my G2 over the G2x anyday. What I love about my G2 is that it has a beautiful qwerty keyboard & personailly the g2x looks like plastic. The G2 looks like a ****ing Rock. So which one do you rather have a big peice of crappy Plastic or a nice tough looking Rock.
Like others have said here is my list of importance.
1. physical keyboard (i must have it, i cannot do without it)
2. android os (duh...)
3. spec (finally my 3rd i would finally have to start looking at speed and memory)
Maybe the keyboard isnt important to you, if that is so then you have a much larger selection.
G2!
G2 all the way!
Once you've gone hardware keyboard you cant go back. The keyboard is really a big draw the phone has. There aren't really any negative traits about the G2, besides that it's just slightly older. The 800 mhz processor isn't a negative trait about the phone. HTC makes much higher quality phones that LG (in my opinion). And there is not really anything that the G2x has that the G2 doesn't, aside from being game-focused (or at least the T-Mobile website makes it sound game-focused.
My vote is for the G2 for sure.
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Sure the specs on the G2x is amazing, but i would perfer my G2 over the G2x anyday. What I love about my G2 is that it has a beautiful qwerty keyboard & personailly the g2x looks like plastic. The G2 looks like a ****ing Rock. So which one do you rather have a big peice of crappy Plastic or a nice tough looking Rock.
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A shiny rock But yeah, qwerty plus HTC and quality exterior beat LG anyday.
Mog said:
My wife just got a phone last week. We went into the tmobile store and personally i dont see anything better then a g2. g2x doesnt even count imo... it isnt in the G family on so many levels.
G2 is working great for me so she wanted a g2 also. Shes very happy with it, but then again she came from a motorola cliq lol.
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I came from the cliq... I feel her pain. Dont get me wrong, that phone was like a better iPhone sacrificing the High-End games. But man if its 1 thing I learned from that lesson. Its patients, timing and the right manufacture.
The G2 has a few things no other phone tmobile to date has to offer. Total Openess. Means long community support. G1 still fully supported cause its pure google. Only other phone is the Nexus S which lacks Keyboard, no SDCard, and is Samsung.
Not a single Dual-Core phone is pure Google yet or even a popular HTC for that matter (Like the EVO). Now the Evo 3D would be a good by because itll be way ahead of every1 else, be purchased by many, and its HTC. Most importantly translate to a large Community Base/Support.
Hi,
is there any special reason why there is much less activity regarding the Optimus 7 not only here in the forums, but the whole wp7 sites, blogs and forums on the net?
I mean it is really a nice device. Cheap, large battery, easy to jailbreak, but there is still no way the access the file system for example. Some Samsung owners still have problems getting the nodo update officially, some HTCs suffer from slow memory, but nevertheless there are much more tips, tricks and software for these devices. So i'm asking myself: why is the Optimus 7 less popular than those HTCs and Samsungs?
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Hi,
is there any special reason why there is much less activity regarding the Optimus 7 not only here in the forums, but the whole wp7 sites, blogs and forums on the net?
I mean it is really a nice device. Cheap, large battery, easy to jailbreak, but there is still no way the access the file system for example. Some Samsung owners still have problems getting the nodo update officially, some HTCs suffer from slow memory, but nevertheless there are much more tips, tricks and software for these devices. So i'm asking myself: why is the Optimus 7 less popular than those HTCs and Samsungs?
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Most likely because it's a low end device and hasn't attracted many of the techies with hacking dreams.
LG is a smaller brand in these communities compared to HTC and Samsung.
But I'm certain some one is working on these things even on the Optimus.
/J
The price certainly does not indicate "low-end".
The primary reason is that the main market for WP7 is the US. And Optimus 7 is NOT available for the US.
kapanak said:
The price certainly does not indicate "low-end".
The primary reason is that the main market for WP7 is the US. And Optimus 7 is NOT available for the US.
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Bought my set at 190 EUR, to me that indicates a low end price/model.
And I'm certain there are European hackers too, just most of the peeps I know went for the more expensive models like the Samsung.
/J
jontatas said:
Bought my set at 190 EUR, to me that indicates a low end price/model.
And I'm certain there are European hackers too, just most of the peeps I know went for the more expensive models like the Samsung.
/J
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Compare the current price with the price at the date it was released. It was priced ~500 EUR at the release. And you can also buy Samsung Omnia 7 for ~250 EUR now which would also mean it is a low-end device.
First WP7 devices were in fact high end devices with quite high prices. Regarding the build quality - the newest greatest Galaxy SII is a plastic toy compared to Omnia 7 or Optimus 7, despite being a great, powerful device.
IMO the main reason Optimus 7 is less popular is because it hasn't been released in the US. I think this would be very popular model there.
Another thing: Optimus 7 was released in Europe but the OS (WP7) lacks the language support for many of these European countries.
Makes sense, I didn't know the Optimus 7 wasn't released in the US.
IMO you can't talk of low-end and high-end WP7 models. Beside screen size and technology there aren't that much differences. Ok, the LG "only" has a LCD screen and no fancy AMOLED, but 16GB memory, DLNA, 1500 mAh battery, gorillaglas, augmented reality functions and some metallic case components. IMO better than most other WP7 models. Bought mine yesterday for 175€
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Makes sense, I didn't know the Optimus 7 wasn't released in the US.
IMO you can't talk of low-end and high-end WP7 models. Beside screen size and technology there aren't that much differences. Ok, the LG "only" has a LCD screen and no fancy AMOLED, but 16GB memory, DLNA, 1500 mAh battery, gorillaglas, augmented reality functions and some metallic case components. IMO better than most other WP7 models. Bought mine yesterday for 175€
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Totally agree withe the pros, and if someone's interested there's the Optimus 7 review at Engadget (can't paste the link right now but it's easy to find).
The price/performance ratio is extremely attractive now for this device and generally WP7 devices. Pity Mango update isn't right here yet, Mango is the WP 7.0 as it should have been.
If you ask me, LG made a *big* mistake by NOT releasing this phone in the U.S. They released the LG Quantum instead, which is very ugly, because it was differentiated from the other WP7 devices by it's physical keyboard. By doing so, they've continued the trend of thinking that LG is a bottom-tier brand that can't make nice/good phones. The LG Optimus 7 says otherwise, but most in the U.S. don't even know it exists. Sad
The Optimus 7 looks great, feels great, and it among the sturdiest of phones I've ever used. Is it massively set apart from other phones? No, not really -- but clean design and superb build quality make it top-notch in my book!
My $.02
LG Optimus 7 was released everywhere, including Mexico and Canada, and every other place that Microsoft officially launched WP7 for...except for the US. Such a shame...
It could be that Microsoft or the carriers thought HTC and Samsung were "good enough" for now ...
Stopped by AT&T to see what Samsung, Sony, and HTC devices they had--mostly a waste of time. That said, I ended up checking out the Lumia 900. One very sexy piece of hardware in white. Very unfortunate for them that they decided to hop on the Windows Phone bandwagon because that lack of customization is something I could never enjoy. Extremely clean interface, but not my cup of tea.
Not sure why such curses must be upon us. The Samsung Galaxy SII (and likely SIII?) only on AT&T when many use Verizon, so few of the beautiful Xperia devices available for consumption, and great hardware going to waste on Windows devices when Moto saddles us with pain upon pain via locked bootloaders.
As to the original, I guess it's perhaps related to the heavy ties Nokia had with Cingular before that keeps them loyal to AT&T and not Verizon still. Ah well, first world problems aren't all that bad in the end.
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Stopped by AT&T to see what Samsung, Sony, and HTC devices they had--mostly a waste of time. That said, I ended up checking out the Lumia 900. One very sexy piece of hardware in white. Very unfortunate for them that they decided to hop on the Windows Phone bandwagon because that lack of customization is something I could never enjoy. Extremely clean interface, but not my cup of tea.
Not sure why such curses must be upon us. The Samsung Galaxy SII (and likely SIII?) only on AT&T when many use Verizon, so few of the beautiful Xperia devices available for consumption, and great hardware going to waste on Windows devices when Moto saddles us with pain upon pain via locked bootloaders.
As to the original, I guess it's perhaps related to the heavy ties Nokia had with Cingular before that keeps them loyal to AT&T and not Verizon still. Ah well, first world problems aren't all that bad in the end.
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I'm definitely an Android guy. I love the customization. I tried an iPhone 4S for a while coming from an Epic 4G Touch (now back on an Epic 4G Touch), and it was alright for a month, but even with a jailbreak the staleness got to me. Also the fact that EVERYONE has one.
I stopped by an AT&T store yesterday for ****s and giggles. The Lumia 900 was nice, but I didn't like the raised glass. The Titan II is what felt nice and solid in my hands. The curved glass on the front felt really nice, and unlike the Lumia 900 the capacitive buttons light up. The Lumia 900 definitely wins for screen quality (AMOLED screen) but the Titan II wins for solidness and camera (the actual quality, I'm not talking about megapixels). The Titan II's test shots came out more vivid and natural looking (no tint) compared to the Lumia 900 if you check various sites.
WP7 is actually really, really smooth. The only things I don't like are:
- No MicroSD expansion with only 16GB of space (at least not without physically opening up the phone. I'm not sure if the Titan II uses one internally but the Lumia 900 definitely doesn't).
- Little customization; I get that it's supposed to be a clean design, but after a while it gets boring.
- Limited app selection
- Zune software is pretty much iTunes for Windows Phone 7
The hardware is always nice though.
the only reason that verizon didn't pick up the gs2 is because they already had a few samsung phones coming out at the same exact time, including the nexus. They didn't want to have 3 or 4 handsets launching at the same time from the same manufacturer, as it would likely confuse some consumers. Not to mention, when you ask the guy getting paid very little, what the difference is between the phones...and realistically there isn't much of one, then whats the point of having it? Just to say you got a gs2 on verizon?
Also, gs2 is not exclusive to att, as sprint has it, the epic 4g touch is the gs2 variant for sprint. Also, the galaxy note was exclusive for a little bit, to att, but now sprint will be getting it as well.
As far as wp7...I've messed with it some, but I personally didn't like it. I think that ms is following apples opporations platform to a T. Saying only certain hardware can be used, and they all have to have certain specs. It can be good or bad. Good, in the sense that apps should be easier to design, and run solidly. Bad, as, well, why even have more than one manufacturer making the things if they all have to be the same anyways?
The lack of customization is one issue, the second, and probably most glaring, is that they waited WAY to long to get into the mobile OS game...they had a steep hill to climb, and its only getting steeper.
Zune store IS itunes for wp7, no way around it. It looks a little different, but otherwise it runs the same way.
The good thing about wp7 is that there is more choices for the consumer. There is nothing wrong with that, and there are some people who really like wp7, and there is nothing wrong with that. Personally, I'm an android guy through and through, and I'll probably stick with it...definitely wont be switching to apples bland offering, and WP7 just doesn't appeal to me a whole lot.
I'm sorry to say that the general population thinks of Android like a piece of crap. Like what Windows 98 is now lol. Of course thats completely wrong, but thats just what the average consumer thinks, and is certainly what I thought before I got my Note.
I think WP7 is really gaining momentum as it is easy to use, looks hecka cool (for the first couple of months, will expand on that more), and is a nice change for iPhone users. I had a Windows Phone for a year and finally couldn't stand the lack of customization. When I bought it though I thought it looked really cool and I think a lot of people have the same idea.
Since people don't like Android as much, maybe Nokia wants to go for a different, more profitable market. I sure would if I were them, and I think they made a good choice using WP7.
I agree with you completely though when you say it would be better on Android.
Thats just my 2 centz.
I think windows seven will be amazing once it has been refined. The concept is a good one and it is a refreshing change from usual android/iOS.
That's what happens when a company known as the biggest phone seller sits on it's glory and forget to catch on with change. Nokia was too proud to jump the android bandwagon. Windows phone might turn out as a good alternative, but it's too new for it yet.
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Nokia should have stuck with Symbian Belle for low-end handsets and developing markets and MeeGo Harmattan for their mid- to high-end smartphones.
Choosing Windows Phail 7 was just baffling.
Many customers will buy a WP7 for XBL and belive it or not, some of them think that WP7 can run apps designed for PC!
I really dig the WP7 design... I'm running Windows 8 on my laptop which has similar design features. I'd love to be able to flash Windows Phone onto my G2, to try it out but alas, such is not to be.
Topic title should be: 'Nokia is being riden by the wrong horse.'
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I'd have only chosen Nokia if it had Android with it....recently I chosen a new smartphone without even looking at Nokia....just because it was giving Windows.....
I think we shall see what happens in the future but I think you should not ever put you eggs to one basket and you should have plan c available. Already now it is difficult for companies to differentiate your phone from other Android phones.
Nokia should be interested in the benefit of their own company, not Microsoft's. If they wanted to sell, they should have launched Android and WP handsets with similar or equal specs and went off to see which one sold off better. And then, only then should they have supported one OS, if they cannot afford to support both.
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