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Schmidt: Nexus One so successful we dont need a Nexus Two

Eric Schmidt's words concerning why the Nexus One was created and how we dont need number Two.
Initially, Google felt that they needed to build a device to help Android along so they worked with HTC to create the Nexus One handset. Schmidt says: “The idea a year and a half ago was to do the Nexus One to try to move the phone platform hardware business forward. It clearly did. It was so successful, we didn't have to do a second one. We would view that as positive but people criticised us heavily for that. I called up the board and said: 'Ok, it worked. Congratulations - we're stopping'. We like that flexibility, we think that flexibility is characteristic of nimbleness at our scale."
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-Schmidt-You-can-trust-us-with-your-data.html

Heh, google is the inverse of apple

...I would like a Nexus Two though?
What about a 1280x720 4" IPS screen, sub-10mm thickness, aluminum/carbon fiber construction, HDMI port, front-facing camera, Tegra 2 SoC, battery life that is amazing, and capacitive touch buttons that are actually silk screened right?
And of course, a unicorn detector

oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.

i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.

I thought the title was a joke. lol
Wow, damage control ahoy.

arcticreaver said:
i would like to see SE get into the game and develop a phone that is 100% backed up by Google. they make good phones.
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+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
I don't know what happened in SE HQ when they moved onto touchscreen phones and the like. They were ahead of the curve back in the day but maybe their UI let them down?
Samsung are another company who made good hardware but ****ed it up with their clunky software.
I'm not sure how these guys turn the ship around but HTC came from nowhere and are one of the biggest mobile phone manufacturers about now. Surely SE and Samsung can make a cracking phone again and win some of the market share back.
Another issue might be locking down access to root or bastardising Android with a clunky shell. HTC avoided that with a pretty nice UI in Sense.

britoso said:
Heh, google is the inverse of apple
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That's why I love em.

Knew it and have been saying it all along.
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.

markouk said:
+1 on this. SE really dropped the ball when they attacked the smartphone market. The W series phones were cutting edge in terms of being music centric. The K series were really good too, my K750i has the best 2 megapixel sensor of any camera. The K850i was a real stormer of a phone too.
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I don't know about you, but that's what I dislike about SE. Why couldn't they just combine the best walkman and camera in one phone? Instead, they made two phones out of almost the same hardware and charge a high price for each of them...

RogerPodacter said:
oh well, there's the answer to that. now we all just wait for the next developer phone, whoever google decides to use. let's hope HTC again or maybe motorola.
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Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.

Namuna said:
The Nexus One was never supposed to outsell any other phone or become an income source for Google. It was meant to drive the Android OS and the hardware platform and as Schmitty says, it "clearly worked".
Android market share has rocketed and continues to do so and even today, 7 months later from intro, new Android phones are STILL catching up to the specs of the Nexus One.
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Amen!
I love the N1, and can't wait for a future device done the same way (without any branding). I seriously hope HTC is the manufacturer. Can't see myself using a phone not made by them.

ap3604 said:
Hey Roger, do you mean the next developer phone that's not under a carriers control and gets updates ota directly from Google?
I guess I am kinda confused since I assumed Google is never gonna dip their hand in the smartphone market again besides supplying android.
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Since android's beginning, there has always been Google's developer phone, the one that Google uses to write the android OS on. First was the g1, now its nexus. It will always be a vanilla android version, not HTC sense or MOTOblur or whatever. Perhaps the next one will be sold thru a carrier, but I think they will ensure it can be purchased unlocked too. We don't know, this is new territory, and The nexus kinda set the standard. So I'm anticipating Google will make sure the next phone can be had without the carrier influence as well.

I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.

I'm done with SE, myself. I followed them for a little while with a P990i, then Xperia X1 and was going to get an X10... but glad I got a Nexus One instead.
High-priced pieces of trash, they are. I know the X1 was HTC built and rebranded, but WinMo was so laggy on it and SE slapped an $800 price tag on it. Enough to wake you up.

So there won't be a N1 successor ??

adamwjohnson5 said:
I actually don't think there should be a Nexus 2 from Google. They should just stick to what they do best and make great software. I don't think selling physical products is their thing and the Nexus One has served it's purpose of demonstrating the potential of Android.
Hopefully the plan is to dramatically improve the UI with Gingerbread and convince manufacturers like HTC and Motorola to run vanilla Android. They can release new versions of Android and leave it up to the manufacturers to deliver the updates.
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Sure is nice having Google dictate what goes on the phone and not T-Mobile or AT&T or whoever. I think I'd opt for a slightly weaker phone over one with Sense UI and branding all over it.
I guess I'll be buying whichever dev phone is popular at the time, or making damn sure the phone has Cyanogen et al behind it and that it is vanilla.

No N2?!? Oh come on! It's not like they have to do much. Just make it a 4" screen, swap in a better 3D co-processor, slap a real keyboard on it and call it a day. I'd buy that off-contract any day!

I would agree that the N1 put android on the map, at the centre. They have multiple partners now SPAMMING rediculously good phones for android, the consumers know about it and WANT it, theyve done their task. Let them get back to making the OS orgasmic, and let HTC etc make phones that can vibrate

Like a guy said eariler this is whats called damage control. The N1 didn't start anything with Android OS, it was the Droid that did that. The N1 is a tiny blip on the radar of Android sales. The N1 failed and this is an arrogant look at the N1. The fact of the matter is HTC was planning 1ghz phones regardless of the N1 existance or not, remeber that phone list that was leaked last year of all the phones coming out this year? I love my N1 but lets face it google dropped the ball on it.
1. restrictions on the subdizing
2. restrictions on the type of plan
3. No dummy phones for TMO stores
IMO if they would have stuck the N1 in stores made it easy like Droid, Samsung Vibrant, and EVO, then N1 at the time would have been a mega hit. It was the first phone (that I can remember) with a ghz processor ppl would have went nuts for it because of the speed and its a really sexy looking phone.

Nokia on android = EPIC

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-stephen-elop-rallies-troops-in-brutally-honest-burnin/
so it appears that Nokia is no longer staying idle as their company loses huge margins in the cell phone arena. According to the above article there is a chance that they might join the android team!
IMO that would be awesome. Nokia "still imo" the best phone manufacturer out there. Faaaar superior to Motorola, HTC and Samsung combined. Their phones are always aesthetically pleasing and much more thought out than the *cough* dual screen phones coming.
While Motorola, Htc and samsung are decent phone manufacturers, I think if Nokia jumped ship then android would really be an unstoppable force.
EDIT
WE LOSE ):
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/exclusive-nokias-windows-phone-7-concept-revealed/
that is one sexy ass looking phone!

It could also be wp7 though. I believe one of their technology officers used to be a high up at microsoft before he went to work at nokia.

elegantai said:
It could also be wp7 though. I believe one of their technology officers used to be a high up at microsoft before he went to work at nokia.
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yeah I know... That would give wp7 a lot of leverage in the game since they came in late... I'm still hoping the at least get into the high end android game. I just love their phones soooo much. They do everything right except for the software.
Their 8mp cameras from 2 years ago are far superior to our 8 and 5mp's today...

If they do go android, even with part of their lineup, it would definitely push android over the top in os distribution! So that is who I am rooting for Don't they have some sort of shareholder conference or something this week?

I'd buy day one...best cameras, though their phones have been kind of ugly recently.

elegantai said:
If they do go android, even with part of their lineup, it would definitely push android over the top in os distribution! So that is who I am rooting for Don't they have some sort of shareholder conference or something this week?
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I'm not sure about that, but I know that the article I posted says that they will be talking about their new game plan February 11th. I'm assuming by then we may get a hint as if they will try and catalyze their own OS or jump on board with android/wp7...
The most recent nokia phone that I got to play with was the N8 and holy cow was that phone amazing. It was by far the most solid feeling phone that I ever held and the touch screen was superb. The software itself wasn't too shabby neither....
I really think that Nokia can utilize android to its fullest potential. The extent at which they polish their devices is remarkable.
a dual core nokia phone would be my dream come true.

I use to like nokia (minus the garbage battery locks), then they had to shut down all their factories in the us and move to china.
Screw them.
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they were great... over 10yrs ago...
but...
W7 needs help to get a jump start
nokia needs a huge savior...
looks like ...
microsoft will love to get an experienced mgfr to back them.
Nokia needs a new OS to plan thier future on...
both will most likely do anything to get love for the other....
match made in heaven!
but if they do get android.. that would be so great!!!

And they chose microsoft, go figure. lol

so i picked up a galaxy s2 today.

found someone who needed 2 phones for their one so I traded them 2 garminfones for their galaxy s 2, I gotta say, I don't know if it's because the device is way overhyped on here or because I've just been spoiled by wp7 but this feels pretty choppy. I was told that it was just as smooth if not smoother than wp7 and upon using it all I can think is "all that power for this" paired with the terrible Samsung UI, the games which while numerous don't seem as high quality as other oses, and the keyboard I was pretty disappointed, I thought I might use it for a week and try to get used to it and dual wield it with my dvp but I just can't, its going in the phone drawer to only see the light of day when I'm developing. Honestly it doesn't seem much smoother than my dell streak that I have been using for dev purposes.

Says the self-proclaimed Galaxy S hater.

NrootN said:
Says the self-proclaimed Galaxy S hater.
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with good reason, again I hope these are just to increase post count because your statements bring absolutely nothing else to the table.

Dude, the phone is so customizable. Do a full wipe and flash it with Cognition 1.31. Add Chainfire 3D. Add a new keyboard. Quit complaining.

And in other news, i picked up a Galaxy SII yesterday and loving it. Much smoother than WP7 in my opinion and nicer than iOS.
We all have different likes.

Wow, after years, finally felt the need to put somebody on Ignore here on XDA. Congrats, you Metrosexual tool.

kbiz90 said:
Dude, the phone is so customizable. Do a full wipe and flash it with Cognition 1.31. Add Chainfire 3D. Add a new keyboard. Quit complaining.
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you mean I can spend hours finding and downloading a bunch of files to void warranty and have a chance to kill my phone just to make a device that's pretty overpowered as is usable? It doesn't matter what UI replacement you toss on there, android has yet to throw together a UI replacement that's worth the effort. I understand this is xda devs and I have 6 apps on the marketplace but those are apps to improve the phone. Why should I have to download apps and different boot images and a million other things just to make one of the most powerful phones readily available useful?

Yes i think you have, i had a ZTE blade before i had the S2 and the s2 is way better for me than the Blade.

z33dev33l said:
found someone who needed 2 phones for their one so I traded them 2 garminfones for their galaxy s 2, I gotta say, I don't know if it's because the device is way overhyped on here or because I've just been spoiled by wp7 but this feels pretty choppy. I was told that it was just as smooth if not smoother than wp7 and upon using it all I can think is "all that power for this" paired with the terrible Samsung UI, the games which while numerous don't seem as high quality as other oses, and the keyboard I was pretty disappointed, I thought I might use it for a week and try to get used to it and dual wield it with my dvp but I just can't, its going in the phone drawer to only see the light of day when I'm developing. Honestly it doesn't seem much smoother than my dell streak that I have been using for dev purposes.
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Good for you, maybe you should wait for the WP7 Samsung Galaxy SII. Or maybe not, if you hate Samsung phones

z33dev33l said:
found someone who needed 2 phones for their one so I traded them 2 garminfones for their galaxy s 2, I gotta say, I don't know if it's because the device is way overhyped on here or because I've just been spoiled by wp7 but this feels pretty choppy. I was told that it was just as smooth if not smoother than wp7 and upon using it all I can think is "all that power for this" paired with the terrible Samsung UI, the games which while numerous don't seem as high quality as other oses, and the keyboard I was pretty disappointed, I thought I might use it for a week and try to get used to it and dual wield it with my dvp but I just can't, its going in the phone drawer to only see the light of day when I'm developing. Honestly it doesn't seem much smoother than my dell streak that I have been using for dev purposes.
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So here's how I see it. You're watching all the press coverage and reading all the outstanding reviews of the SGS2 and that it and Samsung are setting worldwide sales records. There you sit on T-Mobile, a carrier about to be made to look like the scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz using your single-core WP7 phone that has a whopping 6% worldwide marketshare. So you're pissed, envious, and feeling a bit stupid for your decision.
You decide to come here and post a bunch of stuff that no one's complained about on the phone before just to get a rise out of those on this forum for sport and to make yourself feel better. Your "I hate Samsung" signature's a nice touch.
Sad, very sad.

Your SGSII only sees daylight when developing....
So you do your developing during the day then??? Amazing.
I came from windows mobile phones. Did not want to walk away from that -because I was afraid I was going to mis my fav. apps- But I bought the SGSII.
If I would have known the SGSII was SO much faster, and SO many fantastic apps exist for Android, I would have bought one sooner.
I can't see how a WP could beat the SGSII. In any respect. Ever.

z33dev33l said:
you mean I can spend hours finding and downloading a bunch of files to void warranty and have a chance to kill my phone just to make a device that's pretty overpowered as is usable?
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Yes. You've got a over one thousand posts. Sounds like you've spent many hours here already.
I'm tellin' ya. A customized SGS2 is a piece of art.

I used a lot of phones all different kinds from symbian to wp to android. I must say the fastest phone i ever had was the SGII. Normally i flash all different ROMS and keep playing with the OS. But this wasn't necessary for the SGII. I'm on stock and it works perfect.
I never liked Samsung phones with their own OS but android made me wanna try it and.. I'm loving it. It's a fast phone deal with it.
Till you have a serious issue don't come here complaining about something that no one has. If you have beef with Android go get a WP phone, If I where you i would sell the SGII while it's hot

@OP
I would love to take your sgs2 off your hands for you
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I'm pretty sure you sold your kidney to get it and that's why you're so pissed

I have no reason to come in trolling. I am more than happy with wp7 and love Samsung phones. My signature was listed as such when the original string of galaxy s devices came out and I got the vibrant. That was a joke of a phone and I i opted for the captivate which had the back door mechanism fall off the tracks after about 4 hours of use. Windows phone 7 is the only OS for me now, the UI is seamless across all devices, i don't have to fear that i won't be receiving the next update (got 5 so far), and it syncs with everything that's important to me without flaw. I can't wait for the next Samsung wp7 device though I'll be hard pressed to ditch the dell venue pros keyboard. Of course no one here complains of the speed issues, the vast majority who own it came from other android devices, windows mobile, or Symbian. Compared to all of those its extremely fast.
oh, and commodoor, windows mobile is not equal to windows phone. Just clarifying as i reviewed your rather extensive phone history.
All in all the phone is astounding, but it's kinda like putting windows 95 on a brand new PC, sure it functions and you can perhaps even tweak it to run somewhat fast... But it's not going to be windows 7 or windows 8

Been a Nokia Fan ever since I started Buying phones and then came Android and bought my HTC Hero and Boy did I become a FLASH JUNKIE ( still have it )
And Then Heard about WP7 and HTC having wooed me with Hero went and Got my self a HTC HD7 and I loved its simplicity ( I HAVE a IPOD TOUCH so didnt really fancy going for a IPHONE , thought It was too easy compared to Android)
ALthough I loved a lot of the things the WP7 bought, BING MAPS and NO FLASH got the better of me and off I went to get the SGS2 and give samsung a go and Me was happy again.
The Most thing I like about Samsung is getting Firmware over ODIN and thats why I still haven't rooted it.
But now MS having released MANGO for WP7 I feel love towards WP7 again and having been a NOKIA FAN I will definately buy a NOKIA WP7.
But to sum it All I love ANDROID cause of FLASH and the customisation it offers and that you dont have to rely on carriers for your updates.

z33dev33l said:
I have no reason to come in trolling. I am more than happy with wp7 and love Samsung phones. My signature was listed as such when the original string of galaxy s devices came out and I got the vibrant. That was a joke of a phone and I i opted for the captivate which had the back door mechanism fall off the tracks after about 4 hours of use. Windows phone 7 is the only OS for me now, the UI is seamless across all devices, i don't have to fear that i won't be receiving the next update (got 5 so far), and it syncs with everything that's important to me without flaw. I can't wait for the next Samsung wp7 device though I'll be hard pressed to ditch the dell venue pros keyboard. Of course no one here complains of the speed issues, the vast majority who own it came from other android devices, windows mobile, or Symbian. Compared to all of those its extremely fast.
oh, and commodoor, windows mobile is not equal to windows phone. Just clarifying as i reviewed your rather extensive phone history.
All in all the phone is astounding, but it's kinda like putting windows 95 on a brand new PC, sure it functions and you can perhaps even tweak it to run somewhat fast... But it's not going to be windows 7 or windows 8
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Nothing like putting windows 95 on a new pc, maybe good ol' XP though, I'll give you that.

I must say, I've missed flash only twice since I ditched android but I only really used it for videos I played in browser (I don't visit many flash sites) so it didn't hurt too bad. Then the videos in mango greatly improved in quality so now I can watch any random video mostly in HD and eh... Nothing I i really miss about android. I always kept my themes minimal anyway.

z33dev33l said:
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oh, and commodoor, windows mobile is not equal to windows phone. Just clarifying as i reviewed your rather extensive phone history. ....
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I know that they are different.
What i understand is that you are afraid of fragmentation, most people are. I know where you getting at but i must say it's not that worse as one year ago. I know Hero was stuck at Android 1,5 for a looong time.
I love plain android i used it for a long time with cyanogenmod. But the TW isn't that heavily modded like the sense on HTC phones. Sense is really heavy btw. I didn't like the new metro look of the WP but that makes the choice so great.
So android gives you the choice to choose your own phone. Choose what you, that's great.
want plain android go for nexus series
want a socially integrated phone go for sense
someting between go for samsung
I'm not worried that we have to wait long for updates on Galaxy.

Would you sell your GS3 for a WP8 phone?

I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
I still got 3 weeks to return mines to the AT&T store, is anyone else here considering switching to a WP8 phone? I'm also interested to see what the new iphone looks like too. One thing that pisses me off about Android are that the iOS apps always look way way better than Android, Google really needs to start putting in some standards with these developers. I still can't play many of the Gameloft and EA games on this phone that I've purchased a while back.

Its all advertisement nothing elsr honestly i feel like wp is a little bit too boring customisation compared to android is no match only reason i stick whit android is because its open source and lot of customisation and so on..
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Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.

I just switched from an iphone to the S3 and I'm not sure I agree with you about the IOS apps looking better. The ones I've used that they both have in common look pretty much the same to me. As a matter of fact, some of the android versions look nicer and have a better user interface.
I have zero interest in the windows phone. Until they can compete with the number and variety of apps available for ios and android, it won't appeal to me at all.
btw, I also have 3 weeks left in my return period and I'm pretty sure I've decided to stick with the S3. Sure it has its bugs and annoyances but so will every phone. The only two things that have kept me from committing 100% to it so far are the battery life problems and the wifi problems. Time will tell.......

I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG

A.VOID said:
Your call, but you should know that windows phones are pretty locked down/ limited with modification. If that's something you like, then android is best.
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Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.

Aridon said:
[/COLOR]I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro.
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I didn't like the Metro on the WP7, but that WP8 looks alot better better because you can resize them, they seem alot like widgets. Also, now you can use a MicroSD card, have dual-core processors, and have larger screens.
M$ seems to get their act straight this time around, they probably got tired of Apple taking their marketshare.

Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.

There's a Windows style launcher on the market.

tekhna said:
Metro is great, but having been burned by WebOS, I'd wait a year or two to see if WP8 takes off before investing in an ecosystem. My bet is they take about 7-8% marketshare and go nowhere from there. But who knows.
I think I'd take stock Jelly Bean over WP8 though.
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Aridon said:
I wonder what the new excuse will be when the next version doesn't sell well at all. I believe the old Windows mobile still has more market share. Pretty pathetic.
It's not just Apple and android being entrenched. The os simply sucks comparatively and plenty of people simply do not like metro. Apple has a better walled garden and android has a better large open estate. Microsoft would have done better if they opened all the api and embraced developers. Instead you get a half ass iPhone. GG
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I dont see the potential in windows phone honestly i mean its just plain boring i have tried one ...
At first it felt like a new toy and over the few first day i got bored it lacks customisation that alone worth staying whit android ...
Whit the new jelly bean 4.1 it will be very hard to get beaten by windows or even ios6 ...
The future is android from my point of view...
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NIKKG said:
I'm wondering if its worth hanging on to my ATT GSIII phone and starting a whole new 2 year contract or if I should return it and wait for the Windows phone 8 to come out. Personally, I'm bored as hell from iphones and Android just never seems to be quiet there yet. After seeing the demo of WP8, it really got me interested. It basically takes the best of iOS and Android and mixes it all in a fresh new package.
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I don't think it makes sense to ask others to a judgement call for you. Especially on an Android forum.
Re: iPhone and Android "not being quite there"—you do realize that's exactly what every reviewer says about Windows Phone 7?
Windows Phone 8 is a rewrite so I would not have high hopes for the first generation of phones. Also, the demos are made to impress. You should take them with a grain of salt.

Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...

Don't count Microsoft out. WP7 is a great OS.
I find the question odd seeing as the OS isn't out yet with it's new hardware. But having used WP7 I know that's it's going to be a great update. WP7 is a great OS, and while the phones might be under powered compared to apple and android phones, they still hold their own which says a lot about the optimization of the OS. Kudos to Microsoft for that. The only detracting thing is the apps, but with the new Windows 8 using Metro apps, I can easily see WP8 giving android and ios a run for their money.

While, i dont see myself standing in line for a Windows mobile device. I do enjoy the fact knowing that it will be another direction away from IOS...:good:

I am in agreement with you. We are not in need of another company hell bent on controlling us. For crying out loud why don't these company's see or understand this? I am partial towards Android. I don't mind Apple to much. Well with the exception of the whole let's sue everyone and there mother's attitude. That part pissed me off to no end. And I do hope it turns around and bites them in the ass. I do hope the never go anywhere. Because as much as I do like Android, I like the fact that Android has competition. Google is big enough and has enough money that if all competition were gone. They might just try to pull some Apple/Microsoft crap. I do think that Google and Apple are to hig as is. Just like our governments. And Microsoft is big also. But in a different way. They are like tha big dopey kid on the block. You know, the one that would like to make you his hitch but is to stupid and slow to do so? Lol!
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NIKKG said:
Personally, I'm tired of the many modifications, so far I left mines on stock. I've gotten to the point where all that ROM flashing has gotten old and I need to do real work. On my last phone, the HTC Vivid, all I ever did was flash ROM after flash ROM for no good reason, it felt like a damn crack addiction.
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I was like that with my HTC inspire and not so bad with my GSII. Flashed a new one every day or so. It was awful I had to try them all. I'm keeping my GSIII stock for now too. You can customize plenty through market
My bf had WP7 and it was awful. Looked nice but just wasn't practical he hated it, NEVER worked right. He had 4 within the firsts few weeks from button issues(however that was HTC issue)

Windows phones are fast and stable. I used the Samsung focus on mango for several months and I was sold on wp7. Not one single force close or lag. However, my HTC Titan had serious mic issues so I returned it and ended up with my galaxy skyrocket. I do like having the ability to customize with android, and I think the SIII would be worth the contract. The SIII will hold its value and if you decide to go wp8, just eBay or Craigslist your SIII when that time comes. I myself want the SIII but waiting for the right deal.
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Are you kidding me? I had to revert to an HD7 WP7 phone when I killed my Galaxy II two weeks before the Galaxy III launch and for those two weeks I wanted to stick sharp objects into my eye.
Pretty much any app worth having in WP7 costs $$$. The GPS/Nav sucks, searches are done with Bing and dealing with a corporate email account with multiple folders is just about the worst email experience ever on that phone.
I'm done experimenting with WP versions - go ahead and try WP8 when it comes out but Android seems to be a better, more open, more tweakable, more dev friendly ecosystem and I'll stay here...
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gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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gps does not suck. I found it every bit as good as android if not better.
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Google Maps is immeasurably better than Bing Maps.

Disappointed...

My Galaxy Nexus drowned (fu Sandy!) in my living room. Time to buy a new phone off contract, ready and willing to pay full price for the device.
I was looking forward to buying a WP8 device... either Lumia 920 or 8X, but whatever forces absolutely killed it for me.
Nokia with their moronic exclusivity periods and no AWS on the unlocked version. Where do I get the Rogers version for a sensible price?
8X was pretty appealing too until I found out that there is no Nokia Transport on it.
Back to an Android device... disappointed.

herzzreh said:
My Galaxy Nexus drowned (fu Sandy!) in my living room. Time to buy a new phone off contract, ready and willing to pay full price for the device.
I was looking forward to buying a WP8 device... either Lumia 920 or 8X, but whatever forces absolutely killed it for me.
Nokia with their moronic exclusivity periods and no AWS on the unlocked version. Where do I get the Rogers version for a sensible price?
8X was pretty appealing too until I found out that there is no Nokia Transport on it.
Back to an Android device... disappointed.
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I´ve been a Android user for years but since 2 days i have a Lumia 920.
WP phone is nice, it has a nice design, its fast and everything has a nice animation. but to be honest i miss my android. all the custom roms, flashes, apk. downloads. Mods, Design chagens. Honestly man i dont really now.
All in all Lumia 920 is a great device.

Android suits a certain sort of person. The whole "overclocker" and custom PC crowd. For the rest of us looking for an optimal communication device the Windows Phone devices fit the bill.
iOS isn't "optimal" IMHO. So much relies upon launching an app. I can take a photo on WP8 and upload it in seconds to Facebook.

I used Windows phone on an HD, it was configurable, I loved flashing roms etc... But I got an original Omnia 7 two years ago, I now have a 920.... unlocked... I like the windows phones, once you get over the "I have no control" thing, you realise, the phone doesn't need flashing e.t.c. it just works out of the box.
Not too happy with IE10 though, as hover over boxes dont work very well.. :s

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I used Windows phone on an HD, it was configurable, I loved flashing roms etc... But I got an original Omnia 7 two years ago, I now have a 920.... unlocked... I like the windows phones, once you get over the "I have no control" thing, you realise, the phone doesn't need flashing e.t.c. it just works out of the box.
Not too happy with IE10 though, as hover over boxes dont work very well.. :s
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Did you check your thread? I gave you a suggestion. Also, not being happy with IE10 for not being able to do something most touch browsers can't do (or rather, not being able to do something that is stupid and it shouldn't have to do) is pretty... arbitrary.
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I never liked android, and I probably never will. Hell I like WebOS better. Android is very flexible but even if you put a significant amount of effort into crafting a speedy and efficient environment, you cannot escape android's terrible flaws. I love *nix, and while android is modeled after the *nix's, it completely fails to bring the spirit of the platform over and in the end it's just an inconsistent shameful mess. The biggest problem I have with android is it has the potential for power, but android itself is completely barren of any functionality and everything is left up to apps, and piling apps upon apps, ranging from decently to ****tily programed, results in complete instability and my undying hatred. It really depends on what you try to do of course, but funnily enough all of the things I could easily do with a 700MHz WM6 device caused android to crash and completely fail on a dual core 1.2GhHz tablet. It's the difference between an app-centric device and a computer framework, I guess. Professional code, corporate "apps" and the solid framework of WM6 definitely shine when compared against the largely unprofessionally created software that make up android's market, and while android itself is more or less just OK in terms of quality of code, as I have said, it literally can do nothing on its own. I think the most infuriating example is me trying to set a background, and you need a goddamn third party app to do this, otherwise your picture is plastered with the wrong proportions over the scrolling homescreen thing.
Granted, WP7 and WP8 wouldn't even let me *try* to do the things I would do with WM6, but I thoroughly enjoy the concept of live tiles (which I argue are better than widgets, and they are certainly more embraced by WP devs than widgets) and I thoroughly enjoy the efficient, unified system. After using WP for a while, you start to realize that the phone is a valid platform in of itself, and you don't necessarily need or want it to have the power of the PC; a proprietary and flexible system (like WP8 is now) is very powerful and performs what it needs to do with greater efficiency and direction than you could with a PC. That being said, I picked up my HD2 today and I'd be lying if I said I didn't miss the tempting and awesome dark powers of WM6...
Obligatory: and iOS is a joke. I mean, it works, but it's not efficient or well designed in any way, and I think the styling is pretty ugly to boot. It has the same problem that android does with relying on apps for everything, except without the flexibility. I had a dumbphone that was pretty smart to be fair, but it quite literally matched everything the iPhone could do with j2me apps, and the system supported flash (!) and had a native file browser. Quite shameful to be bested by a dumbphone. The only reason iOS sells is because the 'cult of apple', and people are accustomed to the rather bad design since it's been out for a while (which was better than most dumbphones at the time, to be fair, but the system has stagnated because apple refuses to improve upon the original design), and also there are a healthy number of apps that provide decent functionality for the average user.

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My Galaxy Nexus drowned (fu Sandy!) in my living room. Time to buy a new phone off contract, ready and willing to pay full price for the device.
I was looking forward to buying a WP8 device... either Lumia 920 or 8X, but whatever forces absolutely killed it for me.
Nokia with their moronic exclusivity periods and no AWS on the unlocked version. Where do I get the Rogers version for a sensible price?
8X was pretty appealing too until I found out that there is no Nokia Transport on it.
Back to an Android device... disappointed.
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You should try emailing Stephen Elop himself and ask how you can buy an unlocked AWS band Lumia. I'm not joking either, lots of people have gotten replies from him and he is a great guy.

"No Nokia Transport on an HTC device"
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herzzreh said:
My Galaxy Nexus drowned (fu Sandy!) in my living room. Time to buy a new phone off contract, ready and willing to pay full price for the device.
I was looking forward to buying a WP8 device... either Lumia 920 or 8X, but whatever forces absolutely killed it for me.
Nokia with their moronic exclusivity periods and no AWS on the unlocked version. Where do I get the Rogers version for a sensible price?
8X was pretty appealing too until I found out that there is no Nokia Transport on it.
Back to an Android device... disappointed.
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So... you're on T-mobile? Don't overlook the 810. The tech-geek-in-you's first reaction will be, "No HD screen?! No way!" But, consider this, I'll come back to the screen in a sec. The 810 has the exact same specs as the 8X and 920 outside of screen resolution. 1.5Ghz processor, 1gig of ram and so on with one difference... MicroSD card.
Now to the screen. It's 4.3" so not the largest and not the smallest. But, let me tell you... the AMOLED makes this thing pop. It looks really good. Not quite as good as the 920, but better than most. And, with the ClearBlack tech, it's really nice in direct light. Excuse me for sounding like an ad, but it's true. I don't think you can go wrong with the 810 at all. It's light and feels really good in the hand. I can say I'm quite happy with my 810 after getting over the same disappointment as you have about the 920. I just wish it had 16GB of internal storage as apps can only be installed internally and not on the SD card.
But, it's not an overly expensive phone and Nokia says they have the new hotness coming this Spring. So, you can wait and see what that's all about and maybe upgrade at that point. I suggest you head down to ye olde Magenta's shop and take a go at the 810. You may find yourself pleasantly pleased.

3 years ago i've bought htc mytouch 3g (android 1.6-2.3.1). it was something new - after my blackberry pearl.
1 year later i've replaced mytouch with new htc hd7 (wp7-7.5), and i found out, that a smartphone may make calls! and it must not freeze every time i want to call! since 2 years of htc hd7 i've bought nokia lumia 920. it looks like my previous htc hd7 - only better.
my wife has been using sumsung galaxy s for one year. it was the worst phone in her life (by her own words). it had poorest battery life and applications, that you can't kill, but that dry your battery up in minutes and eat a lot of data through 3G. after that i've bought nokia lumia 710 for her. and she's happy! she has a smartphone now, that can call!
i will never ever go back to an android-phone.

I feel the same way. I grew tired of this works but not this constantly searching for new roms over clock under lock blah blahblah. I was tired of it.this phone needs none of that
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I used Windows phone on an HD, it was configurable, I loved flashing roms etc... But I got an original Omnia 7 two years ago, I now have a 920.... unlocked... I like the windows phones, once you get over the "I have no control" thing, you realise, the phone doesn't need flashing e.t.c. it just works out of the box.
Not too happy with IE10 though, as hover over boxes dont work very well.. :s
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For those using wm8... Are app limitations (apparently crappy FB client etc.) real or exaggerated?
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For those using wm8... Are app limitations (apparently crappy FB client etc.) real or exaggerated?
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Heavily exaggerated, I live on FB and the benefits outweigh the negatives by a longshot.

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For those using wm8... Are app limitations (apparently crappy FB client etc.) real or exaggerated?
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Exaggerated, I agree. The vast majority of popular apps are available (even if half of 'em are redundant due to built-in functionality, e.g. Evernote, Shazaam, et al.). What's lacking is the ubiquity of every random useless app being available, e.g. Costco or someone coming out with an app (that I can't imagine who would even want) for iOS only or maybe throwing Android in the mix.
For fb in particular, yes, the app has some shortcomings, but the built-in integration is good for 90% of what I need to do without even launching the app; the app handles all that plus most of the rest of anything I'd do. And the phone has IE10 built in, and does a nice job with the full desktop version of the website in a pinch.

Is Hulu available?
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WP has Facebook integration built in. It works pretty well on the whole. Some features aren't directly supported, like reading groups. But if it supported every feature it may as well be branded a Facebook phone.
You can take a photo and upload it to Facebook faster than other devices in my experience.

Exchanged One S for Lumia 820... So far, I'm loving it. I hope that this platform succeeds. I'm amazed that everything just... works! Missing Hulu and Spotify big time though...
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to use or not to use a special FBI (or just FB, if you want ) app is a question of taste. my wife prefers to open facebook.com in safari on her ipad instead of using any FBI application. FBI on WP8, probably doesn't have all the features, the browser version provides, but enough to feel comfortable as much as it's possible to feel comfortable with FBI on a mobile device. and FBI intergration in WP8 is a pretty tasty additional benefit.

blackofe said:
to use or not to use a special FBI (or just FB, if you want ) app is a question of taste. my wife prefers to open facebook.com in safari on her ipad instead of using any FBI application. FBI on WP8, probably doesn't have all the features, the browser version provides, but enough to feel comfortable as much as it's possible to feel comfortable with FBI on a mobile device. and FBI intergration in WP8 is a pretty tasty additional benefit.
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The fun fact is that most FB apps are worse than just using the browser. The only exception I know of is the WP one lol.

Facebook app is so bad that I'm getting pissed of WP8 because of that. And Skype. Yes, I know, Skype is beta, but yet, Microsoft bought it 18 months ago, and I'm pretty sure they know they would release WP8 already to develop a decent and FINAL app for it.
But now, I'm using a buggy version of Skype that doesnt even support chat when i'm not using the app.
And I dont know why Microsoft try to develop the Facebook app. Why Facebook don't do that? Mine is force closing when I'm using the message. Everytime I use it, actually. Push Notifications just doesnt work. No matter what I do.
Ah, guys, I noticed.. Sometimes resuming apps is slower than just re-opening it. Just me?!