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froydvillain 2.2 v fusion rom 2.2

currently running froyd and am happy with it just wondered whether someone has experience of both if so whats the differences between the two and which is best overall? Not interested in overclocking or anything really technical. thanks

I know someone will say it, so I might as well be first. Rather don't ask people, but instead grab a copy yourself and test it out. It's really based on your own opinion. Each ROM works differently for others.
With features such as nandroid backups these days, there really isn't much of an excuse for not trying out alternative ROMs. If you like it, then keep it. If not, then nandroid back. However, with that said, I think both are on par with eachother and both have achieved outstanding results. It really breaks down to the small things, which you'll need to experience yourself.

ok thanks 1 problem though cant see an option to download the fusion rom?

At this stage its kinda like comparing apples with worms in with pears with worms in..
Yes its different fruit but the bugs are the same..
I haven't tried either so feel free to shoot me down but the reason for this is that I feel devs are focusing on getting everything working (which is a good thing). But because of this I feel theres not really one 2.2 rom that particularly stands out..
I'd love to be proven wrong though!! still rocking out on cm6 nightlies....

both are same
i had fusion first and later came fryod so installed fryod expecting abetter but was really disappointed because both rom turned to be exactly same, same problems in both rom just looked like fryod was a copy of fusion just a different name. now i see fusion got update but fryod is still with same problem.
known issues-
camera is only 3mega pixels
no camera preview and force closes.
crashes when u try to view a flash video
no live wallpaper
no touck key to answer a call.
thiese problems are with both fusion and fryod

CyanogenMod 6.0 is the only Froyo ROM there is, and Fusion and Froyd are each tweaks to the CM6 base. Until CM6 is finalized or Feeyo releases his Froyo-from-source ROM, they're all essentially the same. Villain probably has some kernel tweaks, and Fusion too, but all the bugs are all going to be there.

developing said:
CyanogenMod 6.0 is the only Froyo ROM there is, and Fusion and Froyd are each tweaks to the CM6 base. Until CM6 is finalized or Feeyo releases his Froyo-from-source ROM, they're all essentially the same. Villain probably has some kernel tweaks, and Fusion too, but all the bugs are all going to be there.
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Untrue.
I will post a wip copy of [email protected] in a few hours.
No CM-crap; vanilla source.

wrong in fusion rom have touch key to answer call

adwinp said:
Untrue.
I will post a wip copy of [email protected] in a few hours.
No CM-crap; vanilla source.
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Good, just like it should be

developing said:
CyanogenMod 6.0 is the only Froyo ROM there is, and Fusion and Froyd are each tweaks to the CM6 base. Until CM6 is finalized or Feeyo releases his Froyo-from-source ROM, they're all essentially the same. Villain probably has some kernel tweaks, and Fusion too, but all the bugs are all going to be there.
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Dito.
adwinp said:
Untrue.
I will post a wip copy of [email protected] in a few hours.
No CM-crap; vanilla source.
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Some more respect to the real developers.
I suspect your ROM will just be another compiled-straight-from-source-and-nothing-else ROM, right?

Hehe, I guess he got a reputation? Please let my previous comment slip then

maxisma said:
Dito.
Some more respect to the real developers.
I suspect your ROM will just be another compiled-straight-from-source-and-nothing-else ROM, right?
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Not necessarily, and 2: you misunderstood.
There are a few talented devs around, and I don't understand why everybody's copying CM's work.
CM is a great dev, but what pisses me off in the Hero section, is that everybody's ripping his work instead of trying to get it work on their own.
Innovation, make your own path, NOT imitation.
@orangeclanz:
I've checked your previous posts, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not really the best placed to comment whatsoever.
Secondly, nobody forces you to try anything. Just stop *****in'.
For those interested: I've finally fixed an issue with some keybindings; I will upload after a few final touches.

Well... I cannot stand the never ending begging for money from Villain and nprussel....
Villain is something like a tabloid newspaper for roms......

anyway, back on topic.
for me, difference is:
fusionrom 2.2 update 4 works great. really solid now. aside from borked camera, once you receive a phone call the trackball light notification works, the froyo-style apps2sd works (with the included cyanogenmod6 improvements allowing any app to be pushed to sd that way). it's very fast (4.5 to 4.7 linpack for me stock withotu the software overclock kernel mod). apps and games run amazingly well on it. has an issue where system.process.media (or similar) fcs after a while and after trying the gallery. I think that might be a gallery issue and maybe will be fixed soon, I don't know though. saw the same issue in froyd once but not again later?
froyd 1.0 works... ok, but it's slow. it has very nice features, the ext partition apps2sd support is nice to have (no manual file moving needed). however there are reasons to like manual moving as well, I'm a control freak, good to let me decide where to put it. but this ext parition method is certainly easier, really fast and transparent. nice. however the kernel is slow, 3.5 linpack (slow for froyo). also lots of random slowdowns. experimental kernel flash works really well and is very fast (got 5.1 linpack at 729 mHz on my phone). I did encounter some issues, not sure if it was my clock speed (which was always fine @ 729 on 2.1 roms but could be the issue still with jit froyo pushing it harder maybe). issues were google nav and some 3d games just quitting without warning and without fc messages. just quitting. google nav was serious, I was driving and it was just... gone after a few minutes. game was annoying, was playing monopoly, 20 minutes of playing, then just gone with no record of gameplay :-(. again that could be my cpu speed setting though, haven't tried further.
both ahve borked camera and no video (since video is just a recording of the screen preview... why on earth can't they write a REAL video recorder for android on the hero??? it should be possible... stupid screen capture video...)

Having tried both Froyd and Fusion, I went back to the CM nightly builds. The 20/07 build is pretty much there with everything except the camera and fb sync working. Have sorted this by using camera magic and syncmypix.
for me, this one is fast snappy and definitely the best 2.2 around currently.

@adwinp. U right.I'm not in position to comment here.so do u. Pls show some respect to other dev. As a dump user here.I do appreciate and respect all Dev works. At least I don't called it CRAP.
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adwinp said:
Not necessarily, and 2: you misunderstood.
There are a few talented devs around, and I don't understand why everybody's copying CM's work.
CM is a great dev, but what pisses me off in the Hero section, is that everybody's ripping his work instead of trying to get it work on their own.
Innovation, make your own path, NOT imitation.
@orangeclanz:
I've checked your previous posts, and correct me if I'm wrong, but you're not really the best placed to comment whatsoever.
Secondly, nobody forces you to try anything. Just stop *****in'.
For those interested: I've finally fixed an issue with some keybindings; I will upload after a few final touches.
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Well, then just don't call it CM-crap..
Yes, I agree that there are way too many CM-Mod-mods arround.. And they are all the same +/- some apks.

maxisma said:
Well, then just don't call it CM-crap..
Yes, I agree that there are way too many CM-Mod-mods arround.. And they are all the same +/- some apks.
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Once, more, you're misinterpreting; crap was related to the CM-rips, not CM itself.
I hope I made myself clear.

by the way, this thread really should be about which is better between:
froyd
fusionrom
cm-nightlies
the cm-nightlies are, imho, ahead of the rest. but they're nightly builds so you take a big gamble when you grab one and install it. However if there is going to be a successful camera fix my bet is that it will come from the cm-nightlies for hero team.
Just saying.... but for me I'm running fusion until some major progress happens from... someone
cheers

plun said:
Well... I cannot stand the never ending begging for money from Villain and nprussel....
Villain is something like a tabloid newspaper for roms......
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There's no mention of me asking for money, nor have I charged for any release. There's no begging, whatsoever infact. I mention it in my sig - but who doesn't?
I am a bit fed up of all the bad-mouthing I'm getting around here recently. We've not ripped anyone off.
We're in the process of making some pretty major changes/fixes to FroydVillain, and one of our developers is currently re-compiling a Froyo ROM from source - ie, pure vanilla.
As for which ROM is better... they're different. When we release our new kernel, expect over 5 mflops at a stable OC of around 748 Mhz.
Test them both, but before you make a judgement on Froyd, test it with the new (fixed) kernel - which is significantly better than the one Lox released. Ninpo over at the VillainROM forums will be more than happy to explain what makes it significantly faster if anyone's interested!
Anyway... less hate is definitely required around here

So what's the hype on MIUI Rom all about?

Okay I did some research on the Rom. Everyone raves about the speed and how battery last longer then the stock or cm6 roms. It looks very iphony to me. How smooth is the Rom? How is it working out for you miui users. Is it worth the time? I am very satisfied with cm6. Haven't thought of switching but I want to give it a try. Please let me know.

try out the rom yourself, its not going to kill you

I gave it a go. It is very iphone-ish, but not so much that it bothered me or was distasteful. I saw no increase in battery life or speed, even though I'm sure tests might prove it, nothing that makes a noticeable difference in day to day usage. I eventually went back to enoms rom with wildmonks kernal.
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miui
well, I didnt wanna try it out either because I really dont like the iphone interface, but turns out that I did try it and I love it!
I didnt use the stock launcher though, thats what made it iphone like.
Im using launcher pro and adw so I get pretty much all the benefits of the rom. It is a very fast rom. probably as fast as all the other really. but for some reason, its really smooth. its a completely new version of android I would say.
give it a try with another launcher. I think you might like it. also, try out wildmonks kernels. they seem pretty fast and stable for me

Which Rom do you recommend? Rodriguez or dj's? Wildmonks kernel is the best. Not a big fan of iPhone but will use launcher pro or adw launcher.

Im using rodriguez. It seems to be the easiest one file flash type of rom.

Rodriguez is what I used. Was very nice and launcher pro worked great with it. It also has some nice features with it. I might give it another go myself, but with gingerbread around the corner, I dunno. Plus it's just hard to give up enoms.
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im using it with adw launcher and i love it. there isnt really any increase in performance that ive noticed but i love how you can go straight to sms app from the lock screen.

Rod's MIUI rom's rock...happy flashing!
And read his thread posts for details & info

I've been using Rodriguez MIUI roms for a while now. Every once in a while I flash something else including a few Sense ones and CM6.1 but the MIUI roms simply dust them in speed and responsiveness.
I don't really like the icons so much but I can easily overlook them with the huge increase in speed, stability over CM and the latest (1.8.1) with Wildmonks kernel gives me better battery life than I have EVER had.

I really like MIUI for a couple of reasons. The ability to create folders on the home screen makes finding my apps faster and more organized, as I like to load down my phone with more apps than I ever would really use. I also really like what they've done with the dialer and in-call menu, as it gives you bigger buttons and indicators for Bluetooth connectivity and such. I've lost track of how many times I've forgotten to turn on Bluetooth prior to making a call, and ROMs based on the stock Froyo only have the small icon on the status bar to let you know whether Bluetooth is connected, so I often ended up sitting there listening to silence for a few seconds before realizing the problem. Even answering a call is somewhat easier, as you swipe down instead of sideways, and that's especially useful for the times when I'm asleep and get awoken by a call.
Then there's always the other assorted UI improvements that aren't particularly necessary, but still cool nonetheless. There's a cool visualizer that plays along with your music on the lock screen, in addition to controls on the lock screen for your music. The stock wallpapers are really nice too, and after using CyanogenMod I started getting tired of seeing the color cyan. The top bar is transparent too, so it will always look nice with whatever wallpaper you choose. Despite taking some cues from Apple's iOS UI, I actually think MIUI does it better.
The look of the icons is my only gripe with MIUI, but that can be changed with themes of course. Speed wise, I haven't noticed a whole lot of improvement, and I think that's because I don't often have many apps all running at once. What really matters to me is usability, and in that department MIUI shines, and hopefully will only get better.

I use the miui rom as well with Launcher Pro. The Battery life rocks. thats my main reason I use it.

earlyberd said:
..... The ability to create folders on the home screen makes finding my apps faster and more organized....
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I thought we've always been able to do this with even a stock n1, no? I never use it, but thought it's always been there.
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I did it I flashed it made it like I had it before. Seems little zippy. I like the lock screen. We will see how everything works in couple of days.
Is there a theme for this Rom?

sl8125 said:
Okay I did some research on the Rom. Everyone raves about the speed and how battery last longer then the stock or cm6 roms. It looks very iphony to me. How smooth is the Rom? How is it working out for you miui users. Is it worth the time? I am very satisfied with cm6. Haven't thought of switching but I want to give it a try. Please let me know.
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it is not hard hard to make a nadroid backup, flash a rom and try it, if you don't like it, may be go back?. People's inputs are biased and you may have a different experience than what others tell you.
One thing is sure, MIUI rom is more composed than the stock experience you get from CM.

sl8125 said:
Okay I did some research on the Rom. Everyone raves about the speed and how battery last longer then the stock or cm6 roms. It looks very iphony to me. How smooth is the Rom? How is it working out for you miui users. Is it worth the time? I am very satisfied with cm6. Haven't thought of switching but I want to give it a try. Please let me know.
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Meh. Tried it, didn't like it. Went back to CM nightly. MIUI is not in any way faster or better on battery than CM or stock rom. That's all hype and placebo. And imo, LauncherPro2 is way better than MIUI launcher.
But, some people like it, and I'm glad we have a choice.

DarkDvr said:
Meh. Tried it, didn't like it. Went back to CM nightly. MIUI is not in any way faster or better on battery than CM or stock rom. That's all hype and placebo. And imo, LauncherPro2 is way better than MIUI launcher.
But, some people like it, and I'm glad we have a choice.
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I agree. I was using miui not so long back, and its certainly a nice rom, and unlike many,i certainly don't mind the iphone look. However, the talk of it being faster and having better battery life than others is incorrect. I'm now using geos frg83 rom which is largely stock, and the speed and battery life are identical. I decided to start using that as I got sick of constantly updating newer versions of the rom, and all the issues it used to bring. However it is a very polished rom, but with ginger bread around the corner, I will just hold off until then.
As an out of the box rom though it is very nice and polished.

i am using cm 6.1 rc1 right now
thought id try out the nightly and the miui rom tonight
i know u can back up and restore msgs and data using titanium backup
but i heard tht u cant do tht when u shift from cm to miui rom
is it true ???
my msgs are really important and i wont b flashing miui if thts the case
thnx

aasheet said:
i am using cm 6.1 rc1 right now
thought id try out the nightly and the miui rom tonight
i know u can back up and restore msgs and data using titanium backup
but i heard tht u cant do tht when u shift from cm to miui rom
is it true ???
my msgs are really important and i wont b flashing miui if thts the case
thnx
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As far as am aware the messaging thing used to be an issue a few updates ago but I think it's fine now. Maybe someone else could clarify. If anything perform a nandroid backup just in case.
I personally think that miui currently outshines the rest, it's my rom of choice on my n1.

ya , ill give it another try
thnx , i just miss the 3d app drawr in launcher pro

ROMs... bugs... where to go from here?

Is there any true bugless/very minimally bugged ROM out there? Tried CM6, CM6, Evervolv, and some others. I'm talking something that can be fully fixed if there are bugs in it, or is there a ROM that will basically be a stock evo with the sprint garbage removed from it, i was wondering maybe I could stick a savagedzen kernel on it and get some better speed from it as well with bettery battery life. I know there is a fresh evo but I don't think that this ROM gets rid of the junkware sprint puts on? Since quadrant scores and the like are mostly useless I'm beginning to even wonder, are you "truly" getting any more speed out of a custom ROM over stock without getting bugs?
Right now I'm on CM7, everything is wonderful, of course except for the bugs. The random 3g -> 1x for no reason, making the internet not even usable. The random mini-lockups/terrible lag that I can get, etc are all just too annoying to deal with when they pop up. It's irritating when I go to my friends and say "here check this out, this thing has more battery life and as fast a he-...oh well actually my internet on it is bugging out right now and the lockscreen I have to really quick reboot for etc etc." What's the point of speed if these sort of things happen, you know? All of the flashiness of gingerbread is starting to urk me with all the bugs it brings, I haven't tried a froyo mod except for myns, I don't remember what kind of bugs I had in that, if any. What's the best way to go from here? Maybe give CM6 a try again and put SZen kernel on it?(I only ever tried it with stock) Thanks for any opinions/sorry for the mini text wall.

Newsflash: CM7 is buggy, and has always been buggy, hence the ever updated releases.
If you want a ROM that's as close to 100% stable as you can find, try the bigger Sense ROM's....

Are there any very stable AOSP ROMs? Especially gingerbread? Or do these only truly become stable when the real releases are out for the phones? Because If that's not the case, why not just run stock, you know? What's the real benefit? The only reason I rooted in the very beginning was to get rid of the junk Sprint has attached in the beginning. I don't mind sense. However ever since I've rooted I've been on a speed/battery hunt thinking I could get something majorly different. Is it even worth it? What is CM6 like with savagedzen for instance? Because that's what I'm thinking of trying next. Or are all AOSP going to have pretty hefty bugs with them one way or another due to the nature of them?

So far the new ports of the Shift roms are solid as a rock. Misfits for stock. Kings for some ultra themed ones and Zone23 for blue.
Give them a try you won't regret disappointed.

Try Misfits Speedy Port. Pretty stable with Sense 2.1. I'm making a rom based on that one that is stripped down, but not allowed to post dev forums yet

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Try Misfits Speedy Port. Pretty stable with Sense 2.1. I'm making a rom based on that one that is stripped down, but not allowed to post dev forums yet
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What are you gaining over a stock evo, though. Compared to this?

Years ago the phones were slow and bloated. You could install custom ROMs and actually notice an increase in speed.
With the phones coming out now they are already fast and if you root to look for a speed increase you might not notice much. You will notice all the bloatware gone though.
For a stable ROM I would look for a 2.2 Calk ROM or ones like that. They may not have been updated in awhile but that's because there isn't much to add or change. Everything works.

What about myns?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.

See I don't understand why the call them "release [clients?]", and then release a "full version", even when the full version is still buggy with devices. I stayed away from CM7 for that exact reason until they finally got the full version up. Once I stuck it on i was enjoying it so much but the bugs are just too annoying to deal with anymore. Can't even show off with it because of them popping up at the dumbest times and then it's like yeah so much for that awesome phone hack. I might go try myn's again or CM6, not sure. I just want the stock apps gone, and I want a stable environment. Speed is nice too. Being unique is nice, when it doesn't have huge drawbacks.

Crossrocker said:
What about myns?
A drop of Chuck Norris's semen was placed on Android OS. We now have CyanogenMod.
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The more and more I think about it I don't remember having too many issues with myn's, so I may try that out again. Not sure. Is there any way to get that gingerbread lock off/on animation? That is something I'm really after, along with the gingerbread keyboard too.

On the sense side, I've found Koni's elite series III to be flawless...I'm currently running ava's ginger sense and haven't had any real issues with it either... can't go wrong with either of those.. just my two cents..
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No smart phone to date is bug free. Cm7 stable is best in my opinion and that 3g/1x bug you speak of isn't a bug but cm7 actually giving you the accurate data speed in the area you are in.

What recovery are u using amon 2.3 wipes fix most issue.when flashing like crazy I haven't had any issues with the roms . Sense or cm7 work fine. Try Elite 3 , Kings out of this world. Um to many to list. Always do a full wipe when flashing new roms.

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No smart phone to date is bug free. Cm7 stable is best in my opinion and that 3g/1x bug you speak of isn't a bug but cm7 actually giving you the accurate data speed in the area you are in.
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I know there isn't a "bug free" ROM or phone. But in terms of crippling bugs, CM7 at the moment for me is horrifying when I'm trying to show it to others especially.
As for the 3g/1x bug it is very real, and it's the worst. I get 1x for no reason inside my house and outside on occasion, it will then switch back to 3g if I restart the phone, or wait [sometimes an absurdly long time] until it fixes itself. I've not had that issue with any other ROMs, stock evo, gingerbread ROMs, or anything of the like. I've reflashed completely fresh with and without the GPS fix, with savagedzen and stock - no difference. Maybe it's just my phone, regardless though, there are so many people asking for help on different areas of CM7 it makes me not want to bother because it is not a truly stable rom for Evo for a lot of people. The battery charger bug I can deal with, mine lags to high hell when it's on the charger - that's something I can fix within an instant and not have it bother me. As for the 3g/1x, the random app mini freezes, the lockscreen not wanting to come on sometimes unless I hold down the button much longer until I restart, and other things of the sort, i cannot. It's not worth the flashy menus, and really the battery life is nothing near a froyo ROM, not even close. (I don't expect it to be).

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What recovery are u using amon 2.3 wipes fix most issue.when flashing like crazy I haven't had any issues with the roms . Sense or cm7 work fine. Try Elite 3 , Kings out of this world. Um to many to list. Always do a full wipe when flashing new roms.
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I use amon 2.3 as well, and I always full wipe after storing a backup on my comp (complete full wipe)

I played with my friend's stock unrooted evo yesterday and no joke, the thing randomly rebooted in my hands while doing nothing special at all.
With that said, any rom here is more stable than stock, but try SavageMod 1.2.1, most stable 2.3.3 I've tried.

I have to endorse Koni's. I ran it for over a month, until I flashed Giger today to pay with 'til Koni releases v.IV
It's not overly themed, perfectly smooth and everything I needed to work did fine, and not one FC the entire time I ran it.
The setup in my sig is how I had it set up. The only difference now, of course, is the ROM

I like sinister for stability, its V4 now and I can't think of a single issue with it.
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c1o5ry1991 said:
The more and more I think about it I don't remember having too many issues with myn's, so I may try that out again. Not sure. Is there any way to get that gingerbread lock off/on animation? That is something I'm really after, along with the gingerbread keyboard too.
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I always like ava's ROMs for fast and stable - Z4 isn't quite their yet, but give Z3 a shot.
No GB on/off animation mod as of yet, but you can add the GB keyboard to any ROM. There a quite a few diff ones from the themes and apps forum.

Gotta jump in here for some input...
If you just strictly want Sense, I was always a Myn Warm Two Point Two guy.
If you can't live without the screen off animation, Deck's Gingerbread is by far the way to go. Yes, it is built from CM7 to an extent but Deck really does a great job taking care of problems. There is a stable 1.0 and beta 1.2(x). Everyone likes CM7 because its popular and known, but honestly after using CM7 for awhile and then jumping to Deck's rom I will never look back.
If you want to remove the bloat from a stock sprint rom don't forget that you can always just do it by removing the apk's from your system with root explorer or through ADB.
How to through ADB:
--adb remount
--adb shell
-- cd /system/app
--ls
-- Once all the apps show up, you just type: rm <insert the apk name here.apk>
--reboot your phone and BAMMMMM!

Sense 3.5/3.0 compared to 2.1

I am currently running NilsP Business Sense 2.1/3.0 and i was wondering what performence hit i'd take if i plunged straight to 3.5? I used early 3.0 ROMS and they were painfully slow.. I was wondering if they were the same now.

My 3.0 rom is fast. Just doesn't sound like there's a whole lot more to a 3.5 than a 3.0 so I couldn't tell you my experiance as far as speed with 3.5.
Nils Business gingersense 3.0 v2.1

Sorry, but ALL Sense 3.x ROMs drag sorry ass on this device. There's no way to get around it. The software is just too muscular for the device. You end up with a crazy amount of vm being used, and since NAND memory is some pretty slow stuff, the lag becomes something best measured in full seconds.

^^ what he said.
and anyone who claims their 3.0/3.5 roms run "super fast" and "lag free" must never have run a stock incredible lol because the stock inc is how this phone is supposed to run (sense 1.0)...sense 3 is waaaaaaay too laggy. the one thing that always pissed me off is the notification dropdown menu lag. sometimes it would take up to 5 seconds for mine to drop down, even when i was just idling doing nothing. very annoying.

The 3.5`s are pretty, but sloooooww comparably. Even with nothing added application wise, and overclocked, they lag. No reflection on the (any) developer, it's literally bunches more software for the device to attempt to utilize, when it's built for less.
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smtom said:
The 3.5`s are pretty, but sloooooww comparably. Even with nothing added application wise, and overclocked, they lag. No reflection on the (any) developer, it's literally bunches more software for the device to attempt to utilize, when it's built for less.
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Well, I will point the finger a little at the devs. As usual, it seems like the push is only for the latest and greatest, neglecting the upkeep of decent older ROMs with older Sense versions. In the past that hasn't been a real problem, but with the advent of Sense 3.0, finding regularly updated 2.1 and older ROMs is hard. At some point they NEED to realize that this device isn't a dInc2, Tbolt, or EVO 3D and cut the crap with Sense 3.x+. Sense 2.1 with some 3.0 elements really is about as far as it should go.

I thought Joel's Sense 3.0 ROM on this was crazy fast. Then I used a 3.0 ROM on my inc2. Big difference. At the stock clock speed my phone still has no lag on my current 3.5 ROM.

loonatik78 said:
Well, I will point the finger a little at the devs. As usual, it seems like the push is only for the latest and greatest, neglecting the upkeep of decent older ROMs with older Sense versions. In the past that hasn't been a real problem, but with the advent of Sense 3.0, finding regularly updated 2.1 and older ROMs is hard. At some point they NEED to realize that this device isn't a dInc2, Tbolt, or EVO 3D and cut the crap with Sense 3.x+. Sense 2.1 with some 3.0 elements really is about as far as it should go.
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Love it!
But what's this about we don't upkeep our older Roms? I try to keep at least my Hybrid Speed update. I've had six Roms publicly ported and released. Hybrid Speed was my second Rom. In fact Hybrid was the most recently updated, even updated after my Desired Inc Rom. People are still using Hybrid Speed and still leave nice comments and send nice PM's about how they like it, so I guess I'm doing something right there. Thanks to everyone who showed support for me and my Roms as well!
I think a major part of rom development is with these updates and everything, we can work on them and fix them up until there almost flawless. Once we have done that, the development for that Rom is pretty much done. Depending on how far the developer wants to take his rom. Well mods and everything else. Most of the time what mods are in my Roms when I release them is actually how I use them and how I have my own set up. I like to leave everything else up to those people who just use the Roms.
One thing I've noticed. All the older Androider's tend to find a Rom/Dev they really like and they stick with it. At this point in the game they KNOW what they want in a Rom and what to expect from Roms currently on the board. All the new guys like to flash everything under the sun. Just proves that just because [insert name here] releases Super Rom V.infinity which just so happens to be blend between iOS, Android, WM, webOS, whatever they call BB os, lol, and then finally BREW mobile doesn't mean its the best choice for everybody. Its just that though, another choice.
Until then everybody should just continue using what they like and keep reporting bugs and always try to leave feedback and comments about what they like/hate about the Roms they use.
Man, I hope nobody thinks I actually have or am trying to make a point here. I'm just thinking out loud as usual.

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Love it!
But what's this about we don't upkeep our older Roms? I try to keep at least my Hybrid Speed update. I've had six Roms publicly ported and released. Hybrid Speed was my second Rom. In fact Hybrid was the most recently updated, even updated after my Desired Inc Rom. People are still using Hybrid Speed and still leave nice comments and send nice PM's about how they like it, so I guess I'm doing something right there. Thanks to everyone who showed support for me and my Roms as well!
I think a major part of rom development is with these updates and everything, we can work on them and fix them up until there almost flawless. Once we have done that, the development for that Rom is pretty much done. Depending on how far the developer wants to take his rom. Well mods and everything else. Most of the time what mods are in my Roms when I release them is actually how I use them and how I have my own set up. I like to leave everything else up to those people who just use the Roms.
One thing I've noticed. All the older Androider's tend to find a Rom/Dev they really like and they stick with it. At this point in the game they KNOW what they want in a Rom and what to expect from Roms currently on the board. All the new guys like to flash everything under the sun. Just proves that just because [insert name here] releases Super Rom V.infinity which just so happens to be blend between iOS, Android, WM, webOS, whatever they call BB os, lol, and then finally BREW mobile doesn't mean its the best choice for everybody. Its just that though, another choice.
Until then everybody should just continue using what they like and keep reporting bugs and always try to leave feedback and comments about what they like/hate about the Roms they use.
Man, I hope nobody thinks I actually have or am trying to make a point here. I'm just thinking out loud as usual.
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I'm fairly dev-agnostic when it comes to ROMs these days. I'll check yours out. I seldom see the device for long periods of time but I've been flashing as many as I can looking for a good balance. I appreciate your input.

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I'm fairly dev-agnostic when it comes to ROMs these days. I'll check yours out. I seldom see the device for long periods of time but I've been flashing as many as I can looking for a good balance. I appreciate your input.
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Thanks.
Hope my nose doesn't turn to brown here, but I gotta say I always look forward to your comments and incite on things. Its always something good. I'm nervous that your gonna try my Rom even, lol. But for real I hope you like it. And as always, I look forward to your 'real' input on it.

Well, I'm running on a 3.5 Sense Rom from SD card.
There was a huge eating of memory, until I installed AutoKiller which allows you to edit the limits of ram and on an aggressive profile, the Rom is now very well usable.
Sent from BoxmaX HTC HD2 Runnymede v3.1 using XDA App

Tzatlacael said:
Well, I'm running on a 3.5 Sense Rom from SD card.
There was a huge eating of memory, until I installed AutoKiller which allows you to edit the limits of ram and on an aggressive profile, the Rom is now very well usable.
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Why would you run 3.5 from the SD? That's gotta be really slow. I'd probably run something like OMGB or CM from SD but leave 3.5 on the system.

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Why would you run 3.5 from the SD? That's gotta be really slow. I'd probably run something like OMGB or CM from SD but leave 3.5 on the system.
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I run it from the SD because I'm still figuring out how to install on NAND and I'm also unable to sync with my PC :S
So for now I'm at SD and its my daily ROM. Besides the DATA image is 1GB size and with that ran tweak, its very stable.
although I'd prefer it on NAND...
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Tzatlacael said:
I run it from the SD because I'm still figuring out how to install on NAND and I'm also unable to sync with my PC :S
So for now I'm at SD and its my daily ROM. Besides the DATA image is 1GB size and with that ran tweak, its very stable.
although I'd prefer it on NAND...
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Are you using Conap's Boot Manager?

I this k many of the left over issues present in these roms aren't necessarily the dev abandoning it, but rather they can't fix it, either because it would take too much time or they don't know how/can't figure it out. MMS over Wifi is a big one on the 2.1/3.0 hybrids. I've seen many devs try to fix it but they just can't.
Like Stang said, once a rom reaches Nearly Flawless state, which is everything is fixed minus the persistent issues across all similar based roms, its development is completed. These people don't get paid to sit for hours to make every little thing work on our phone.
I think this fact causes frustration among users, that life isn't kittens and rainbows and we can't have the latest and greatest working like a champ on our aging hardware. Its not the devs fault guys.
Choose CM7 or a sense 1.0 rom if you want stability and speed. Anything else will always have little issues that frustrate you.
As for me, I like to use one of these newer roms until I get frustrated by these little issues, then go back to CM7/1.0, then once I'm bored with that I go back to a newer sense rom... Rinse and repeat
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ok, so I'm running a 3.0 sense rom in the Nils rom I have. There is no lag between home sections. (I don't have the 3d tilt accelerometer feature on of course) and as for the pull down, I will agree, sometimes it does lag, but I hardly ever use the pull down anyway, and my case doesn't make it easy to pull down anyway. I usually go through the menu button/notifications to have the pull down come down. Other than that...what lag is this you speak of? I also don't run a live wallpaper very much in order to help out the battery life a little as well. So maybe thats where some lag people are speaking of is being caused?
Maybe its just me, but I'm not experiancing heavy lag with my 3.0 rom and I am even running the latest kernel. I will agree however, if you want the fastest most optimized rom for a dinc, then get a stock rom of course. But the 3.0 rom I'm running is running smooth.

I'm Running Nil's Sense 3.5, and I love it!!
(if you have tried other Roms, make sure you follow his whole wipe guide in his Sense 3.5 post 1)
I love the speed of this rom! If you are happy with 3.0, stick with it, but I love the way the email looks and works in 3.5 (it's a little snappier, and allows for more customization)
While his 3.0 was pretty fast, I find 3.5 to be just that much faster.
Plus, gets even faster if you use Tiny's Kernel!
but when you compare either 3.0 or 3.5 against 1.0... 1.0 just sucks!

wildstang83 said:
[insert name here] released Super Rom V.infinity which just so happens to be blend between iOS, Android, WM, webOS, whatever they call BB os, lol, and then finally BREW mobile.
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I searched everywhere and couldn't find it. Link, please?

PonsAsinorem said:
I searched everywhere and couldn't find it. Link, please?
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Sure its right here, lol--->

I'm using Nils 3.5, and while there is some lag here and there, its a good, stable, and fairly snappy ROM. I also have V6 Supercharger (way aggressive) and the GingerTiny kernel, and that helps.
Maybe I'm just not expecting as much...I knew it would be slower than stock, but I feel its worth it for the enhancements.
But, to each his (or her!) own.
Sent from my Droid Inc - GingerSense style!

need a good custom rom for galaxy s2

I need a good custom ROM, simple, yet with a lot of new features.
I tried CM7, but it still has a lot of bugs and it's a very complex process to install and uninstall. And I did not like the UI.
I need a good rom, as I am currently in stock rom.

Have a look through the forums and you'll find plenty. Decide for yourself. There's threads asking for "best ROM" every day, and best is subjective.

is there a thread with all of the known roms?

Just look in the forums for threads with [ROM] at the start.

cm7 and miui are the only real custom ones.. otherwise look at check rom revolution, it's one of the best based of the stock rom and then install a custom launcher for a decent UI

For starters you may want to look at Cognition or VillainROM as they are based on stock firmware with a few tweaks.
Litening is pretty good too.
Just test a few out until you find one you like ;-)
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Try this website theunlockr.com/ and then select the roms and then android and your device... it got a few pretty good roms.. I'm currently using the lightning rom... its really good...
Try out the website... good for other handsets too...
cheers
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The best rom is everybody's own opinion. My personal opinion is to stick with Samsung based roms instead of Cyanogenmod or MIUI because of the better camera and the native divx playback etc.
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I would recommend Simple & Clean Rom v1.3... awesome battery life and good performance as well.

You should really try the ICS ROM, it's by far better than the others.
Here's the thread with download link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1349165

TheSaw said:
You should really try the ICS ROM, it's by far better than the others.
Here's the thread with download link: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1349165
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Don't be a ****. the guy is probably new here and wants some advice, not abuse. tbh i've been on here a while and it's still a question that pops up in my head from time to time.
I've used Power + 2.0 SP1 which has ceased development. Battery life is excellent, nearly 2 days standby, and basically the original ROM.
then I've tried VillianRom 3.0 and it's basically the same, just has VRtweaks which is an app to download minor tweaks to the system.
I'm running Miui 1.11.11 totally different, has a Android / iPhone feel to it. very nice, Battery life is above average. worth ago in m opinion but I do miss the Camera from the original ROM. You can theme the phone via the themes option which is nice, and you can install Go Launcher which makes it look like any other Android on the Desktop, but once you use the dialer, sms, settings etc it's still very Miui.
I think the real answer is there all very similar with devs personal opinion of needed changes, ROMs based on the original are strangely enough like the original, and ROMs like Cyanogenmod are like a Google Nexus, i.e. AOSP(sp?) then Miui is a totally different concept based on it's own look style and performance.
Personally i'm awaiting the ICS ROMs dev will be soon knocking out. I never found Android perticularly polished compared to say an iPhone, ICS seems to bring this forward some i'm quite excited. but in the meantime, Miui might fill that gap. Otherwise your stuck with the current ROM

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Don't be a ****. the guy is probably new here and wants some advice, not abuse. tbh i've been on here a while and it's still a question that pops up in my head from time to time.
I've used Power + 2.0 SP1 which has ceased development. Battery life is excellent, nearly 2 days standby, and basically the original ROM.
then I've tried VillianRom 3.0 and it's basically the same, just has VRtweaks which is an app to download minor tweaks to the system.
I'm running Miui 1.11.11 totally different, has a Android / iPhone feel to it. very nice, Battery life is above average. worth ago in m opinion but I do miss the Camera from the original ROM. You can theme the phone via the themes option which is nice, and you can install Go Launcher which makes it look like any other Android on the Desktop, but once you use the dialer, sms, settings etc it's still very Miui.
I think the real answer is there all very similar with devs personal opinion of needed changes, ROMs based on the original are strangely enough like the original, and ROMs like Cyanogenmod are like a Google Nexus, i.e. AOSP(sp?) then Miui is a totally different concept based on it's own look style and performance.
Personally i'm awaiting the ICS ROMs dev will be soon knocking out. I never found Android perticularly polished compared to say an iPhone, ICS seems to bring this forward some i'm quite excited. but in the meantime, Miui might fill that gap. Otherwise your stuck with the current ROM
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I'm not a ****. I'm just not patient with people. Yes, maybe I'm a ****. But what does he expect? 100 people just coming in here and share their favorite ROM? Would he be then able to pick one from those? Would he count how many votes does each ROM received? Why not go for popularity then, and check which ROM thread has the most views, at least he would get a larger sample, even if won't give him too much information. Would the answers be subjective? Does he expect a short review from all of us for all the ROMs we tried? What happens if the first 10 persons who respond are total morons who only picked the worst ROMs ever?
I see persons like him, I imagine a random lazy guy who bought his phone because it was cool. He is not satisfied with what he got, so he thought he wants more "new features". He has no idea what "new features" the "new ROMs" can bring, but since there are so many ROMs, they can't all be the same, right? Some of them have to have some shiny lasers or whatever! But how does he find that exact ROM? Let's create a new thread, and ask which is the ROM with the most shiny new laser!!1. But it has to be simple. CM7 was too complex and buggy. At least that's what he heard, he didn't find any, except he couldn't play the fullHD porn on his phone anymore . So let's see what others recommend, so we can install it in a simple way. Because if it's not simpler than 3 clicks, he will ask 10 questions on how to install it. And after everything is working correctly, he won't like the ROM, because it's not shiny enough. Eventually he will find a ROM which has an included shiny theme, and he will think his ROM is full of features! ... oh **** I gotta go back to work.
Well, maybe I over-analyzed the situation a bit, in which case I would have one suggestion: search for the similar threads on these forums, you will find many, and see what people have answered...

WajkIUI ROM
I've had this ROM on my SGS2 for about two days now. It's called "WajkIUI ROM". And it's the best I've ever flashed to my device. It has a whole new look, it extends the battery life, the sytem apps are customized, you can change the theme of the ROM as well, and it just has a new overall feel to it.
You just have to try it for yourself. Below is the link to the xda thread. Hope you LOVE it like I do.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1352386