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Whats the point of this super powerfull GPU when there are absolutely noooooooo games or applications that take advantage of it. NO GAMES for android what so ever!!!!!
Im honestly starting to think android is snot! Anyone else thinking about making a change to Windows Phone 7???
I'll think about WP7 when there are actual devices coming to Verizon, but I have seen no indication that they are going to be any better off on games. Just because they tout XBox Live being built in does not mean they have anything down the road.
Well iD software just hired a android programmer.
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Again.. why don't you at least ***** and whine in the correct section.
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Android has games. What kind of games are you looking for?
Check these:
http://www.gameloft.com/download-games/all-games/?request=games&keyword=android
How about Need for Speed Shift?
There are games you just have to look.
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Again.. why don't you at least ***** and whine in the correct section.
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What? Why would we want to do that?
Really? NO Games someone correct me if I am wrong but I thought Angry Birds uses the GPU.
And please do US a favor and go to WP7 please.....
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Whats the point of this super powerfull GPU when there are absolutely noooooooo games or applications that take advantage of it. NO GAMES for android what so ever!!!!!
Im honestly starting to think android is snot! Anyone else thinking about making a change to Windows Phone 7???
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lol, you should just switch already. Most of your posts talk about how you want to switch, so do it. Why torture yourself?
Sense: this thread has none...
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Whats the point of this super powerfull GPU when there are absolutely noooooooo games or applications that take advantage of it. NO GAMES for android what so ever!!!!!
Im honestly starting to think android is snot! Anyone else thinking about making a change to Windows Phone 7???
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OP, I figure that once you learn how to type, spell, & understand good forum etiquette; you'll actually get a clue that Android is too "geeky" for you. There are plenty of games & many more to come as the platform & hardware mature but you're stuck with making a troll thread that serves no one here.
I think your thinking is backwards. Its this kinda leap in gpu that finally encourages devs to make more graphically heavy games. Why would they design something for a phone that cant run it well.
With all these new smartphones pushing out amazing cpu and gpu's im sure that we will see some major game companies step up to the bat and start designing for android .. just like they did with iphone once it could support it.
Also remember for many people android is the new baby, just became popular a couple years ago. And look at what has been done. I have owned many windows smartphones that have hads YEARS more time to dev and ive seen way less come out of them.
So yeah, go ahead and switch but i bet in 6-8 months you will be regretting it!
First off...Android phones Ive had.....Moto Droid, Htc Eris, Nexus One, Htc Incredible, Droid X...and now Fascinate.....So please dont tell me what Android is.
And Angry Birds is the simplest game in the world. Yes its fun to pass time....but any Android Phone can run it!!!! ANY!
Im not *****ing and moaning.... well maybe I am just a bit. But come on guys read the post....I said the GPU is overrated because there is nothing that takes advantage of it.....and the wait for OS Updates is ridiculous ....You all know this to be true!!!
Fragmentation is a *****!!
There will be no games or apps built specific for android that will not be built for Iphone....there all ports!!!!!! So please explain the point of the of a stonger GPU than Iphone? Hardware acceleration aside......Opera Browser might be the exception!!
Well a good gpu isn't just for games. It makes for a better browsing experience, better framerates with live wallpapers.
Also I'd like to add that if you bought an Android phone with the slightest amount of research involved you would have known that it isn't a great gaming platform. If games were any priority, you wouldn't have bought an android phone.
Troll harder next time.
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First off...Android phones Ive had.....Moto Droid, Htc Eris, Nexus One, Htc Incredible, Droid X...and now Fascinate.....So please dont tell me what Android is.
And Angry Birds is the simplest game in the world. Yes its fun to pass time....but any Android Phone can run it!!!! ANY!
Im not *****ing and moaning.... well maybe I am just a bit. But come on guys read the post....I said the GPU is overrated because there is nothing that takes advantage of it.....and the wait for OS Updates is ridiculous ....You all know this to be true!!!
Fragmentation is a *****!!
There will be no games or apps built specific for android that will not be built for Iphone....there all ports!!!!!! So please explain the point of the of a stonger GPU than Iphone? Hardware acceleration aside......Opera Browser might be the exception!!
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I linked you to games.
Quite whining about fragmentation. That's just a buzz word people like to use instead of the real reason for not creating a product.
So what if there are no games built specifically for Android? Your point would be what? The fact remains that there are games for Android even if your not happy with them.
You could always move to the iPhone. Maybe that would make you feel better.
No games take advantage of the GPU.
Thats funny.
I've been checking out the psx emulator lately. It runs extremely smooth on this phone. And there are like 700 games to download for free in the rom buddy app. I'm pretty sure that takes advantage of the bad ass gpu. There are also emulators for several other classic game systems. I grew up playing that stuff, so it's pretty fun to go back to.
And sure we're waiting for froyo, but I don't mind the wait. Fragmentation is only a ***** to those too whiny and impatient to wait for a minimal upgrade. If you're not happy with thee phone now, froyo probably isn't going to be the miracle to change your mind.
Just suck it up and go buy your iPhone... Like all the other dumb girls that roam Jobs' pastures.
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First off...Android phones Ive had.....Moto Droid, Htc Eris, Nexus One, Htc Incredible, Droid X...and now Fascinate.....So please dont tell me what Android is.
And Angry Birds is the simplest game in the world. Yes its fun to pass time....but any Android Phone can run it!!!! ANY!
Im not *****ing and moaning.... well maybe I am just a bit. But come on guys read the post....I said the GPU is overrated because there is nothing that takes advantage of it.....and the wait for OS Updates is ridiculous ....You all know this to be true!!!
Fragmentation is a *****!!
There will be no games or apps built specific for android that will not be built for Iphone....there all ports!!!!!! So please explain the point of the of a stonger GPU than Iphone? Hardware acceleration aside......Opera Browser might be the exception!!
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Could you please not post here anymore? I have yet to see you type anything on the forums that isn't *****y, whiny, or full of mistaken entitlement. What have you contributed to the community that you deserve anything?
If you want games, froyo or OS updates, wait patiently or go do it yourself. Or better yet, buy a WP7 or iphone and get out of here.
I have multiple games that take advantage of the gpu
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To say there is no games is ignorant.
Is there as many games as iphone?
No. but to say there is none is wrong.
A simple google search for 3d android games will prove you wrong also
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Lol. #noobwhine
Win7 Phone will not make much of a splash. It's simply not that impressive. Usually, software companies are not pre-emptive in their design. This is the first round of devices with this level of capability, the apps will follow.
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or go buy your ass a game boy this is a phone if I remember correctly
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What they said. When 360 came out there werent many games. You fail
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/03/honeycomb-to-require-dual-core-processor-initially-tablet-only/
http://www.androidtablets.net/forum...-have-minimum-specs-require-hd-dual-core.html
Not confirmed but.. still bad news..(at least for the long term as I suspect if the requirements are this high it will be a long time before developers develop specifically to that platform)
I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
Well, I say: let's cross the Honeycomb bridge after paying a visit to the Gingerbread man
I think Gingerbread will make this a much better alrounder than it already is. I have a feeling honeycomb will have the "Windows Vista" effect and then they'll start streamlining the programming again, without the fluff... Giving us the Android equivalent of Win7, but that's my opinion only
I have to admit that when I read this yesterday I was a bit disappointed. If this is in fact the case I will be highly upset due to the fact the honeycomb is supposedly the more "tablet specific" OS so lets hope that this is not the case
I 100% agree... It would be foolish for Google to introduce what would be a new platform and not build on what market penetration they have already with the phones (in other words they need to pull a play from Apple's playbook)
Why I dont believe this is true:
If the tablet comes in with minimums that are higher then the fastest supported phone platform OR the API changes enough that current apps break or future application development changes significantly it will be a very long adoption process. If the prices is the same or higher than the iPAD it will be a huge failure in the short term.
Dont get me wrong I love to see higher specs and newer more robust APIs as the experience will be much better for the consumer but reality is people buy these type of devices based on the number of apps that run on them. As you can see Apple kept to this strategy and has had record sales of their iPAD and will continue to... This approach with the lead unfortunately will be very difficult to overcomb - especially for the masses (us geeks are a different story but success of products depend on the masses not us geeks)
PLUS if they do change the API why havnt they released it to developers.. There is always a ramp up. Take Microsoft for example there is no larger community then the .Net developer community --- and only 5000 apps in all these weeks?
So again, why I dont believe its true:
Very Risky Option --- . Companies like to show huge profits and like less risk.. Apple has achieved a great balance with their phone/tablet products.
But this is Google (Young, Hip, Has a huge stash of cash, arrogant, etc.) ... So see below:
Events that leads me to believe that this IS true:
1. Google doesn't officially allow any tablets to access market place. "Current platform not optimized for tablet use" --- this BS as we can all see. The APIs fully support tablets with 2.2.
2. GalaxyTab released with Market ONLY for Cell model - WIFI only model delayed --- Why delayed?? NO reason technically. No work on WIFI model.. Hmmmm
2.5 Samsung announces v2 of the Galaxy will be Tegra based. (just added)
3. Who from the competitive companies (Toshiba, Vizio, Motorola, MSI, Acer, Asus, etc.) who have announced a new tablet coming in 2011, announce that their platform of choice IS NOT Tegra based?? Who who??? I haven't seen anyone. Why? - No one else has a dual core ready.
4. All Tegra based tablets have 512 meg ram --- Hmmm why? Its unnecessary for the platform (all you linux heads know what I mean). I see this as a nice to have. And for those you screaming that this is why the Archos is limited/poor performing -- use the iPAD.. It's interface/applications scream speed and the iPAD only has 256 Meg of ram (and guess what its using a Linux Kernel)
5. Tegra 2 is dual core ---- See 4..
6. Hush hush... Doesn't make sense why Google who "is an open source company" would keep the minimum specs/sdetails on this build so secretive... No leaks from vendors either... Nothing... I have more information on the iPAD 2 than Honeycomb.
7. New companies eLocity, etc. are coming out of the gate using an expensive chip as their first run??? Profit Profit Prof it is key to any new company.. If it would work on a lesser chip they would gone there first..
Simple fun to speculate either way though..
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I have to say, I would be very surprised if that were the case. There is so much information flying around at the moment, I refuse to believe anything until it's confirmed.
Having the specs too high when so many people are converting to Android would be counter productive and risks splitting their market base. Not everyone (in fact, I would say fairly few) is able or willing to upgrade their phone and it's hardware every year in order to keep up with software.
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As long as we're able to eventually root the device and get a custom ROM installed I wouldn't worry about it. I had a G1 prior to my Nexus One phone. Installing Cyanogenmod on the G1 made the phone much more usable then the vanilla ROM that it came with. The custom ROM guys love to backport the newer stuff for older devices.
http://twitter.com/morrildl/status/12380827807653888
No minimums?
That's GingerBread, not Honeycomb.
Asus just demoed their EEPad guess what? Honeycomb tablet NOT running Tegra 2... Dont fret though.... Its using the Qualcom dual core processor... (Note the dual core processor)... Its out in June at 499..
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
hough77 said:
This bothers me due to the fact that I just returned the GTab (the screen is terrible) and should have my 70 tab tomorrow or Thursday, wtf.
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See it this way... with the 70 you will have many many many many months of enjoyment before you are forced to upgrade. Even if Honeycomb comes out tomorrow I highly doubt there will be any proprietary/optimized applications for the OS. You wont see Honeycomb optimized applications till the 3rd or 4 quarter and applications will not use the dual core probably till later next year (though since the applications run through a JVM is is conceivable the JVM will have the added benefit of brining true multi threading without the developer needing to know how to implement the multi-threading)
Net net is... I still think the GTablet/Archos line of products are short term fixes for a need... the long term fix comes 2nd half when all tablets are out the market.. next year until we get hardware that is at a reasonable price.
Not for nothing if they come in at or around the 500 or 600 mark... Why wouldn't I get a IPAD 2(talking from my wifes point of view)?
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Indeed, thanx for the positive outlook, it will be a fun toy, and its not hard on check book either! Like it will be the last tab I ever buy or something.
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Well... after seeing some of the demos and the units which have Honeycomb I can honestly say with some level of confidence that
1. HoneyComb will most certainly be a tablet only OS - I think this is a horrible approach. This will just splinter the development with Phones always having the priority as there are more of them. Apple did it right having the base OS the same and leaving the difference up to the developers on which form factor to target for their app (Microsoft is doing the same if you have ever developed on the new mobile,desktop or gaming platform you know what I mean)
2. It will most certainly require dual core. Everything is a dual core even the EEPAD (not tegra based) that has been talked about that will run Honeycomb...
Positive is Archos will drop in price in a few weeks once pre-orders start for these devices...
Now I want to see what move apple makes... (they will most certainly wait to hear HoneyComb release date and some prices)..
ASUS Eee Pad MeMO:
•BXL Qualcomm Snapdragon 8260 1.2Ghz
Motorola XOOM with no Button (back, home, menu, ect..)
All kind nearly with our cheap Archos... nothing to worry about Honeycomb... just how long they do ^_^
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
Kashban said:
Not so bad now.
I just read on n-tv that a google developer said there will be no hard requirements like screen sizes or cpu cores for Android 3.0.
Thing is, with only 256 MiByte of Ram the Archos will most likely have to be modded to run it. Like adding swap space and overclock.
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as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
#dejavu Random note: there's no hard minimum processor requirement for Honeycomb. Trust me, if there were I'd know.
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czesiu said:
as predicted, total BS
https://twitter.com/#!/morrildl/status/22845294886518785
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It will install.. but will it run... I can install Windows Vista on an old 386... takes 2 days to install... but it boots.. and "technical runs"
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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Actually, you can't do that. There are hard minimums for supported architecture.
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burn. just saying.
Well, I was sitting at my desk and opened iTunes to start a song and the app store popped up, a list of games caught my eye(Real Racing 2,Battelfield Bad Company, Chaos Rings) so I clicked on the games tab....first, I have never even looked at the app store before now....I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY THE LIBRARY OF GAMES, really has anyone ever looked at what is available for iCrap users!?
To be honest I am considering grabbing a 4th gen ipod touch(if I can get one cheap enough) just to play some decent mobile games, it is just crazy that these companies(ALOT of the developers also develop on Android) havent released these titles for Android, I am a little peeved that we don't have some of these titles, I mean if the an iphone 3 can play Madden/Chaos Rings/Tomb Raider then our Evos are more than capable of running them. Well, I haven't gone on a rant on here in a while so I guess I'm done now, but seriously.....THESE COMPANIES NEED TO PULL THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR COLLECTIVE ASS, ANDROID HOLDS SOMETHING LIKE A 48% SHARE OF "SMARTPHONES" IN THE USA RIGHT NOW, IF THEY WANT MY MONEY THEN ITS TIME TO COME AND PLAY WITH GOOD OL' ANDY THE ANDROID
There, now I'm done
honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.
and how much longer has the app store been around? Give it some time, Android will catch up. I know we live in a world of now now now, but think about where the android market was even 1 year ago.
it may just be me (don't yell at me, just my observation)
my 2nd gen ipod plays games way better than my Evo. i agree we need more quality games on android but it won't happen until the hardware improves.
the chip in my Shift seems to do ok, and with the new dual core phones coming it will only get better. i think once the number of devices out in the wild are capable of playing them, the developers will start writing more games for the platform.
one advantage to the iphone/ipod i guess is you know when you develop for one it will run on all of them (3rd gen up of course, which most people have) where as android is (i hate to use this term, again, don't yell at me) fragmented (hardware wise) some phones are just flat out not capable of gaming, and they know if they release games into the market, there will be people who don't read the requirments and then flip out when it doesn't run on their first gen G1.
dills2214 said:
and how much longer has the app store been around? Give it some time, Android will catch up. I know we live in a world of now now now, but think about where the android market was even 1 year ago.
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Ding ding ding.
Android has done in one year, almost, what Apple has done in approaching four years.
People need to relax with the now now now attitude.
I mean jesus, at this rate it won't be long before Android passes the Istore.
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honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.
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Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
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Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
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They will and then they will likely surpass it.
Just takes time and Google needs to improve the android system to support games including full hardware acceleration.
I think that people just expect way too much, even after the last year.
Think about it.
The last year was ridiculous for Android.
If you said a year ago that Android would have such a large percentage of the smart phone market share... or that it's Market would be closing in on the size of Apple [what is it 200,000 to 300,000 now?] people would call you crazy.
The amount of growth in the last year has just been ridiculous.
Of course, we can only hope for growth of that nature to continue but realistically, it wasn't even seen as possible last year.
We can hope for more apps and more improvements, as it benefits all Android users, but let's also not take for granted what has happened.
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honestly its not just heads in asses and (sure i'm gonna get haters for this) but the apple market pays better than the android market. Android users just don't pay up like apple users. Are we cheap? Maybe but thats one of the main reasons why development is slow another reason is Android is a baby platform just barely learning to crawl although lately its been running. theres also that issue with the fragmentation on android games. don't get let down because Google has been damn good at taking on problems and the developers for android are rapidly increasing. keep your head up things will change soon enough.
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You bring up some good points.
Android over taking the iPhone in the US (keep in mind that the iPhone still has a decent lead internationally) has been big news over the last few days. Some people like to think that more users equals more games/apps but what they fail to realize is that a lot of these new Android users are at the bottom of the pyramid (free or very cheap phones), this brings an interesting dynamic that is different from the iPhone. For one, a lot of these users bought very incapable low priced Android phones; and two, these users bought a cheap phone and would probably be less likely to purchase games/apps anyway. Android is surpassing the iPhone in sales largely because of these low priced phones but this will also lead it to becoming a less attractive platform for developers.
Other factors that make purchasing less likely on Android:
- No wide adoption of carrier billing.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
Then you ad the usual suspects HW and OS fragmentation, etc. Android has a uphill struggle to get developers (and especially game) committed to the platform.
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You bring up some good points.
Android over taking the iPhone in the US (keep in mind the iPhone still has a decent lead internationally) has been big news over the last few days. Some people like to think that more users equals more games/apps but they fail to realize that a lot of new Android users are at the bottom of the pyramid (free or very cheap phones), this brings an interesting dynamic that is different to the iPhone. For one, a lot of these users have very incapable of phones; and two, these users bought a cheap phone and would probably be less likely to purchase games/apps anyway.
Other factors that make purchasing less likely on Android:
- No wide adoption of carrier billing.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
Then you ad the usual suspects HW and OS fragmentation, etc. Android has a uphill struggle to get Game developers committed to the platform.
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Carrier billing does need to be added. across the board. [But being on one carrier for the last four years aids in have 100% carrier billing ]
But I'm not sure I fully agree with the rest of what you say.
Honestly, a lot of what you're saying is moreso true for a year ago than it is now.
-The "low end android phone" this year easily has the capabilities and hardware power of Iphone 3g or 3gs.
-Android "fragmentation" is a vastly over exaggerated point comparative to a year ago. http://www.androidcentral.com/sites...487/2011/01/thumb_550_AndroidOS_breakdown.PNG
Side note: do you have any data that proves, not just suggests, that android users buy apps less?
Android may have more users than iPhone now, but that has only been true for a little while.
So how fair is it to directly compare the two? [some kind of percentage comparison would be better]
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You bring up some good points.
- Just my opinion, but I wouldn't be surprised if piracy is more popular with Android users.
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Oh totally... because for an iPhone you have to be jailbroken to install an app not from the app store. Any android phone can side load a game. That's why it's so important not to pirate games.
Award Tour said:
Whatever the reasons, people just don't buy as much apps on Android. Angry Birds being an ad supported game on Android and a paid game on iOS is a testament to that. I'm also curious to see the long term returns returns on game advertising. They make a lot of money now but the mobile ad space hasn't stabilized yet and I fully expect the CPC to go way down as it does - how many accidental clicks must there have been? Had to be tons; and regardless, who wants to go to the browser in the middle of a game?
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Check out this link.... Angry Birds earns $1 Million per Month. They are still making tons of money but ad-supported games are definitely not the way to go. I wish they'd release a paid version. I'd pay for it.
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Check out this link.... Angry Birds earns $1 Million per Month. They are still making tons of money but ad-supported games are definitely not the way to go. I wish they'd release a paid version. I'd pay for it.
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$1 million dollars a month from a silly game is pretty damned good.
Also, you're free to donate to any developer you want.
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I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for
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I can play Mortal Kombat 3, Legend Of Zelda:Link To The Past and Super Metroid. Do these count? Awesome games can be played on the EVO, you just have to know where to look BTW - I don't understand the fascination with hardcore gaming on a Phone. Even thou I have these games on my EVO, I have only played MK3, and that's just a few times. If I am at the Dentist (or comparable office), I just play Angry Birds or Jewel Lust just to pass the time. If I want to play a real mobile game I just bring my PSP or DSiXL with me. These games eat up the battery on a phone rather quickly.
Wow, for a little rant we seem to have good info and opinions here
Great points all around, I do realize how young the platform is and I also realize we have hardware/software fragmentation issues, I know we are getting there it was just a bit frustrating to see that this morning(think it was the coffee kicking in). It was said that Android users aren't the best of consumers at times, and I agree, BUT I can say that since I became an Android user and involved with XDA I have come to appreciate the value of software releases(game or app or LWP), I now know what goes into them and I honestly don't mind paying. Well, again great points made by everyone, one last thing... I have been following CES pretty close this year and with the hardware being stepped up exponentially by manufacturers and Google still churning out better and better software I gotta say I see 2011 being a good year for us
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Yeah I definitely agree with this. Actually I agree with the OP as well... I came from an iPhone awhile back when the original moto droid came out. I love Android because of how open it is... but the Apps suck. Everyone goes on and on about how many more apps there are for Android, and how most of them are free... but they SUCK... for the most part. I think Angry Birds being released on the Android platform was a huuuuuge step in the right direction though. Seriously... besides Angry Birds, show me one decent game that is comparable to an iGame. They dont compare... yet. But even so... I would never go back to an iPhone.
I myself would love to get into programming some more and start developing for Android.
But I agree that this will all get much better. We just gotta wait it out. And dont pirate paid apps... because that wont help with anything.
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While I agree with you that games are way better on the iphone/ipod, I have to say that when I found out that Doodle Jump was available on Android, I knew it was okay to get the Evo. I think that was the first step. Angry Birds is the second step. The third step would be to allow Android phones to play Scrabble with iPhones (with the iPad as the Scrabble board).
Also, iphone users like my Alchemy and Alchemy Classic games but they can't play them.
Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
The situation with android tablets isn't anything to worry about.
It's really no different than the PC world where there are at any given time multiple generations of PCs out there, which developers use the tools of a standard API (in the PC's case, DirectX or OpenGL) to scale the performance across the target platforms.
Since everything PC is x86, unless you're -really- trying to squeeze every bit of performance out of your game, or unless a company has paid you to target their specific GPU/CPU's extensions, you don't have to worry about specific architecture.
On Android tablets, everything is ARM in one flavor or another, and you're writing to OpenGL ES 2.0. You'll be able to use specific extensions in OpenGL ES to target newer rendering features so you can scale up your graphics for newer GPUs, but since it's a standard API, you should be able to have one apk for all target platforms.
The premiere game engine for Android, Unity, makes this especially easy.
tl:dr don't worry, newer games will still work on your Xoom after the next generation tegra/OMAP/whatever come out. You just might not have all the rendering features in the game.
You are becoming familiar with whats known as Moores Law (linky). We are in a time where it is accelerating very rapidly. And what seems to us like great strides are actually very small in the grand scheme of transistors. Primarily because we have been so used to getting a new processor every 1-2 years on a desktop scale for the past 15 years, with small .1 ghz improvements farther in the past, too recent additions of whole processor cores.
Pretty much, unless you have tons of $ to drop on devices, you will no longer be able to stay cutting edge for long, (+/-6 months of growth for new platforms to hit the market). Especially in the hot world of mobile devices.
You can almost count on the day the release the QuadCore NVidia or OMAP chips, that 6 months down the road is a new chip that A) Has More Power B)Uses less Power C)Cost less - Pick two - that will be the new "in thing" for mobile.
Kcarpenter is dead on.
Tablets are even more hot right now because companies have seen how well Apple is doing with the iPad.
They want a piece of the market-share, so are throwing lots and lots of R&D dollars at newer, better, faster tablet tech.
Honestly, there is only a small handful of good looking games/apps made for 3.1. Devs should take advantage of the current gen single core phones/tegra 2 before moving on to quad core. It's probably going to be like the pc, it takes awhile for devs to actually take ADVANTAGE of the hardware. I still boot up some games and they only max out a few threads out of my core i7.
tl;dr: You have at least a 8 months - 1 year on the xoom.
I think it's more market forces than Moore's Law. The tablet platform is wide open, and no company wants to get left behind. Unlike the desktop where Intel had a lock on the x86, many competitors are gunning for SoC slot. Nothing revs up a product cycle faster than the threat of competition.
It's the same for device vendors and OS vendors. Take Microsoft. It took them 6 years to go from XP to Vista, and 3 years to Win7, for really fairly minor evolutionary changes. Why? Because they had no competition. We'll see how fast Ballmer can make his EGRs dance, now with his Windows cash cow on a hook. I'd be shocked if Win8 doesn't show up by next year.
Some MS dude is supposed to give a "state of Windows" address soonish at Computex. We'll see what tidbits he can serve up. From the rumor mill, it sounds like MS want to go the Apple route, buying Nokia's phone biz for 19 bils, and dictating what hardware vendors can build.
Likewise, I'd be shocked if Moto & co won't have a refresh to their line-ups this year. The Xoom never sold well, and sales won't get any better. (The eBay thing is probably to clear out inventories.) Back-to-school and Xmas are the two largest buying seasons of the year. There'll be many shiny new toys for kiddies to ask Santa for.
jerses said:
Im mad about this 2011 tablet status.... i thought they where going to settle so apps will run anywhere with icecream sandwich but when it comes out we will have 4 diferent processors.
Nvidia in the tech demo for kal-el they say "using nvidia dualcore is to sloooow " i mean wtf!? its not even 3 months after they released it and its old now? my problem its not that the xoom is getting old my problem is that when this quadcore comes out we will end up having only 10 apps for tegra because people will start developing for the new tegra.
Also theres the other processors coming out...how will they manage to make apps compatible will all of them? will we have like an app store for tegra, then for snapdragon,etc.
Im not angry it happens all the time with tech and i get it that they have to move on. But isnt this making it worst for app developers and users.
ps. sorry for my bad english...im learning
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Nvidia is a hardware manufacturer and they are betting the farm on Tegra. If you look at their roadmap they are aiming to make each new version of Tegra obsolete within less than a year of it being released. They want to maintain a high demand for the latest and greatest chips and they can't do that with just incremental improvements (see the current state of PC gaming).
Tech demos are always going to push the limits but most games are going to aim lower. Most will target Tegra 2 and add features if Tegra 3 is available.
@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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@Zanshin Thank you for the explanation on architecture. I posted a question on another thread here asking if this situation has the potential to become a true successor to the PC market, with all kinds of machines running *basically the same Android OS; from many price/quality brackets. What are your thoughts?
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I'm guessing that Ice Cream Sandwich is a step in that direction.
One OS for tablets and phones and GoogleTV sounds like an attempt to bring write-once, run anywhere to developers, which is what will allow the ecosystem to grow unrestrained.
As much interest as there is in Android, there really aren't that many developers taking it seriously. I expect that'll change if ICS is what I think it will be.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/01/microsoft-reveals-arm-powered-windows-8-prototypes/
already prototypes of the newer tegra procs oh no
Also, keep in mind that Tegra 2 is last year technology. It's not just "a few months old".
http://www.engadget.com/2011/06/02/nvidia-kal-el-development-platform-hands-on-video/
Tech buyer is a catch 22, and it is people like us who power it.
We buy hot new tech Product 1 with a hot new Mach 2 processor. We have now identified ourselves as the sort of person who will buy hot new gadgets. However we already bought this one, so they can't make more money from us...or can they?
They use the money we paid them to create hotter, newer Product 2 with a hotter, newer Mach 4 processor...and some new screen voodoo...and less weight. They ramp up the hype knowing the same things that made us buy Product 1 will make us buy Product 2 and feed into that same hype, making Product 2 a must have product, even for people who resisted Product 1. "LOOK...Even people who bought Product 1 are eager to buy Product 2!! They must know something..we must ALL need one!!!!" Our embracing of something ensures that it will be replaced by a better version in a year.
Who has made this process into an art form?
Well...replace the work Product with iPad....
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Hi this thread will may give sony the push they need to start and develop another generation of Play2.
anyone who would support and would buy Xperia Play2 that will have a minimum of a quad CPU and some future wonderful GPU if it will be out, please replay to this thread.
only if your answer is yes reply else we don't need you
The Xperia Play was a flop in business yo Sony, they didn't make much from it, they were expecting millions and millions to be sold. Usually companies don't waste time on a successor if the original was not popular.
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The Xperia Play was a flop in business yo Sony, they didn't make much from it, they were expecting millions and millions to be sold. Usually companies don't waste time on a successor if the original was not popular.
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I'm with you on this one
I'm gonna start a petition to Nokia to get an N-Gage 2 /sarcasm
labbala said:
Hi this thread will may give sony the push they need to start and develop another generation of Play2.
anyone who would support and would buy Xperia Play2 that will have a minimum of a quad CPU and some future wonderful GPU if it will be out, please replay to this thread.
only if your answer is yes reply else we don't need you
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i'm with you man
VIVA xpeRia pLAY 2
quad core , tegra 3 ... i'll buy that , and don't care how much that will be
It's because people are greedy that XPlay hadn't the success Sony hoped for. People wanted XPlay to have from the beginning 500 optimised games, ability to play PSP games, Android 5, quad-core etc. But I'm happy that only smart people are owners of XPlay, the others still playing games with their thumbs covering 30% of the screen.
That's how customers are nowadays, they want everything to have the Apple logo, to be perfect, to be popular.
Also, about XPlay 2, Sony will surely do it in the future. It will be something big, a great gaming phone. Unfortunately, right now they have to sell PS Vita's before that.
Does anyone actually have sales data for the xperia play? I know it didnt exactly blow the walls of all known sales records, but I don't think it was a loss making flop like some make it out too be, but if anyone can say im wrong please present the evidence.
The play had a couple of drawbacks on release which really hampered its sales, im hoping sony is going to sort these out and try again, they may not, in that case i will be waiting for a high end slider.
According to this, in september 2011 sony said xperia play sales were meeting expectations. Hardly the flop its rumored to be, but also not a huge success. Truth is, it sold an expected quantity, so there's no reason to think that it won't get a successor. No strong reason to believe it will either.
Yes I think we need an Xperia Play 2. The Xperia play was very good but a little late with the tech inside and this led to a lot of hate from many reviewers. I would say if people at least gave it a try they would change their minds, I mean it is every bit as good as the Nexus S with the bonus of physical gaming controls.
xperia play 2...at least 4.0 AOS for x play.
labbala said:
Hi this thread will may give sony the push they need to start and develop another generation of Play2.
anyone who would support and would buy Xperia Play2 that will have a minimum of a quad CPU and some future wonderful GPU if it will be out, please replay to this thread.
only if your answer is yes reply else we don't need you
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I support this thread completely. If this phone came out tomorrow I would pre-order it. However, the biggest issue I haver with the first is its incompatibility with other sony devices, ps3 primarily. I understand this is an OS issue and would like to see a vita OS if possible. I know that is a legal issue. Although if it were done properly in the first place this phone would have been a significant flagship phone. Either should have "gone big or gone home". I would give them another chance. Possibly another one if they actually tried, moreover, if they don't try I'm gunna give them fewer chances. One last thing, samsung could have made a device more compatible with sony products.
Its funny, if a phone doesn't get close to iPhone sales figures then its considered a flop. Since there is a zillion different android phones you can consider all of them a flop as androids market share is split between countless manufacturers. The curse of the open os.
If you think about it, xplay is no more a flop than android is.
There are far to many android models. You need a company to make a gaming phone and only a that. Sony has at least 10 different models competing with its on xplay.
swebosdev said:
Its funny, if a phone doesn't get close to iPhone sales figures then its considered a flop. Since there is a zillion different android phones you can consider all of them a flop as androids market share is split between countless manufacturers. The curse of the open os.
If you think about it, xplay is no more a flop than android is.
There are far to many android models. You need a company to make a gaming phone and only a that. Sony has at least 10 different models competing with its on xplay.
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Seems we have an ifanboy.. haha.. I like options. Unlike the iphone which is..one phone..and no, not all android phones are "flops", but hey you should look at some sales figures and then see actual sales then come back and reply until then, don't assume.
lol I am anti apple, just telling it the way it is
Geez you either can't read very well or you took my post the wrong way.
Now-a-days it isn't the phone that's selling its the specs. If you see a new android on the market then you would also see heavily advertised specs about the phone. Bottom line and common sense would tell Sony that higher specs in the worlds only gaming phone would sell through the roof. Also maybe if the touch pads weren't such a big deal to configure for development and games then half the complaints and lost sales would not be what it is today. It doesn't take a genius to know what the ppl want so why is it so hard to put more effort and ambition in this device to make it more successful and up to date. Its simple you gonna sell seedless grapes instead of grapes with seeds in them because you know what ppl want and that's without the headache of spitting out seed after every grape. Stupid analogy but think about it it does make sense
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i am a teenager (13) and i love y rooted and bootloader unlocked xperia play (i did it by myself) and all my friends say that it is a great phoone and that they want to have one. i think it should be continued, but made cheaper so more people between 13 and 18 can afford it (my parents are moderately rich and i got it within the first 6 months of release)
I don't see it happening. It treads too much on the toes of the Vita and was probably Ericsson who pushed for it to happen before. So either Sony is going to see that the future of mobile gaming is integration with smartphones or they're going to continue down the dead end road with the likes of the Vita, in which case the Xperia PLAY 2 won't see the light of day.
The Xperia PLAY didn't do as well as it could have because it was released with 1 year old specs and reviewers are generally unforgiving of that. For an Xperia PLAY 2 to be a success, it would need following:
- Dual/Quad core GPU
- 1GB RAM
- 720p resolution display
- Tegra GPU (not as powerful as others but nvidia is and will continue to buy the market with exclusives)
- 8GB internal memory with expandable memory.
- PSP games - the vita can emulate PSP games, so I don't see this as being unrealistic.
- Better gamepad integration for devs with built in touchscreen to button mapper.
I just don't see it happening any time soon, especially while the Vita is still in play.
I think the future of mobile gaming will be integration with smartphones but sony isn't there yet. When they are, if they can develop the vita into an xperia play shell, they will have the market sewn up (they already have the decent game developers on-board).
LordBattleBeard said:
I don't see it happening. It treads too much on the toes of the Vita and was probably Ericsson who pushed for it to happen before. So either Sony is going to see that the future of mobile gaming is integration with smartphones or they're going to continue down the dead end road with the likes of the Vita, in which case the Xperia PLAY 2 won't see the light of day.
The Xperia PLAY didn't do as well as it could have because it was released with 1 year old specs and reviewers are generally unforgiving of that. For an Xperia PLAY 2 to be a success, it would need following:
- Dual/Quad core GPU
- 1GB RAM
- 720p resolution display
- Tegra GPU (not as powerful as others but nvidia is and will continue to buy the market with exclusives)
- 8GB internal memory with expandable memory.
- PSP games - the vita can emulate PSP games, so I don't see this as being unrealistic.
- Better gamepad integration for devs with built in touchscreen to button mapper.
I just don't see it happening any time soon, especially while the Vita is still in play.
I think the future of mobile gaming will be integration with smartphones but sony isn't there yet. When they are, if they can develop the vita into an xperia play shell, they will have the market sewn up (they already have the decent game developers on-board).
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i'll buy that , for any price
I would buy it in a heartbeat
At launch the Xperia Play wasn't too bad, the MSM8255 is still a fine performer.
As much as I hope for you guys a newer Xperia Play will arrive, a petition of any sorts will absolutely not help. Creating and releasing a phone requires months, if not one or two years of work. Especially something that would require so much extra development, new partners, extra quality control, content at launch, ... It's very hard to get all the cycles in the development process up to speed since a phone is something completely different from a console.
I'm in for the Xperia Play 2...
So far My perfect phone will be a Xperia Play with the 32GB Galaxy Nexus Screen and Guts... It's not that difficult Sony.
I will jump to the Galaxy Nexus while I wait...for it
It's all obvious. The Play was launched with old specs for a phone at the time, never mind a phone that should have been cutting edge to be a gaming phone. It's been said many times, but a phone that is up-to-date spec-wise with a gamepad would sell unbelievably.
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