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Hello Developers,
I want to use my old magician to build into my car.
I am driving (for those who want to know) a Renault 5 GT Turbo, and building it purely for fun. I like to experiment with electronics, so injection system is used, and also a PDA with Zeitronic software to manage some data from the car.
What I want to do is be able to start the car with the PDA, or ignition the car, and other things likt boostcontrol (just on/off), lights, rev limiter, etc. All is just on-off switched.
Just being able to control six or eight Relays, via the touchscreen. Starting must be with a sort of PIN code. So is there a way to control 8 relays via usb-cable (must be charging all the time!).
And anyone an Idea or wants to put something together? If it includes some donations, willing to do so with some fun input!
Check out Arduino Board.
Not sure if you can hook it up to PDA, but might be interesting to you.
larna
Riel said:
What I want to do is be able to start the car with the PDA, or ignition the car, and other things likt boostcontrol (just on/off), lights, rev limiter, etc. All is just on-off switched.
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Wow!
This would be amazing!
PS: If you finally reach your target, let us know and share some videos!
Thanx! Well, just see it as if I got 8 ON/OFF switches on my dashboard.
I just need the program here to give an output to the USB port. So I hook up those signals to a relayboard. Those relays set the ignition, or start the engine, etc.
I don't know much, but I think you need a serial port not usb. However with some simple electronic audio filters I think it would be possible to control almost any number of relays via the audio output. You would need some software on the phone that played an audio signal whenever a button on the screen was pressed, I am thinking mortbuttons could do this. Then you would need a set of audio filters tuned to each exact frequency which would in turn switch your relays via a power transistor.
I like the sound of your idea, if you get it on the road it would mean that any PPC could be used to switch on anything. Think about the whistling key finders you can get, the same principal. Would be nice to see your progress in the future, good luck with it.
Edit: you could even do it via bluetooth this way, taking the sound from a bt headset!
Problem is, I have totally no idea of programming
Was thinking about this and had a simpler idea but only if you've got a ppc with infra red port, which if I remember correctly the Magician has. If you had all you need is some remote control software, which there is a huge choice of fully configurable stuff with learning ability something like this: http://www.pdawin.com/tvremote.html , then you just need an infra red remote control switch board like this one on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RF-Wireless-R...hash=item250271194147&_trksid=p3286.m14.l1318
and you pretty much would have what you want!
Edit: Damn just noticed that one is RF not IR. But I know IR ones are available.
Maybe this idea has already been discussed but i would love my bluetooth radio to start and stop when plugged into my car charger.
I dont think the device can differentiate a normal charger or car charger. It will still have the same output! Probably a button on the screen to change to bluetooth radio will help a lot.
I had the same thought...
In the future this might be solved by using RFID
you put one of those babies in your car and the phone senses that and switched to "car mode", the same could work when you are in the office
but for now..
I was thinking of using a mortscript which checks the current time
(since I'm in the car in the morning and evening)
and the day (mon through to fri)
if all those match turn on BT, otherwise don't.
I've written an application which will run all mscr files in a certain directory every X time ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=449657)
I was planning to use it for the above.
btw. it is possible to write an application which will turn on your BT when you plug it in the charger, but that would be any changer... not just your car charger...
Of course there are several apps that are able to do this job.
For example PhoneWeaver
http://www.sbsh.net/products/windows_mobile_pocket_pc/phoneweaver
You can set a profile fired by external power on event and in this profile you can define only BT on event.
Very easy, robust and nice application for only $14.95 - works on touch diamond/pro and on my Touch HD as well.
For this purpose, I'm using BluePower (Freeware).
http://www.kixass.net/bluepower/
I already wrote the author an email for some feature requests, but didn't get an answer yet. But it still works fine (with some issues).
-Lycox
Thanks for the suggestions
I will certainly give the two suggestions a look. I have no programming experience so writing scripts is a little out of my reach but thanks anyway.
Update; The bluepower app work perfectly, does everything i need and its free..
probably you can start "toggle bluetooth link"(mortscript or whatever) the same way as repllog.exe starts when you're connected to pc.
there is an option in notifications "start when AC on". just a wild guess, i'm sure it can be easily implemented somehow.
CommManagerPro can also turn BT on/off on a schedule, as well as location-based.
Hello everybody.
i am using my htc touch hd with latest dutty rom and my car is unable to find my phone, once solution is to make the car visible and find it from my phone.
my htc s710 worked fine on the same systen in the mercedes e - class, the car downloaded all contacts automatically.
but with the touch hd, the car does not find my phone.
visible mode and bt is enabled.
i am going to try duttys wm 6.5 r1 release now.
any suggestions ?
thanks
Do you have remote SIM enabled in your BT settings?
yes i have rsap activated.
but the car does not find my touch hd i tried several roms.
6.1 roms and 6.5 roms.
Right now i am using a 6.5 rom from dutty.
my phone finds the car, but the car does not find the phone.
its a mercedes audio 50 system which works just as a headset for me, i cant use sms or access my contacts.
once way is to send all contacts into the car.
Maybe you could find silly what I'm about to tell, but...
Have you tried an original stock ROM?
And: does your Touch connect with other BT devices without problems?
i can connect to my computer here, and to other mobile phones. and i can connect to my car.
But advanced bt options are only available if the car finds the phone and not the phone finds the car, i think.
my phone finds the car, and i can use it as headset... and i can call from the car, and i am able to send contact from the blackstone to the car.
but i cannot read/write sms or use rsap.
the car told me "no telephone found"
thanks
Hi,
I've installed the update for Navipanel hoping it would work now, even though I don't have the CU-S400. I start the Navipanel.exe from the exe in the Windows folder, and it starts up as expected. When I try to make a call the dialer always switches to portrait even though Navipanel is in landscape.
Could this be a dialer problem (I have the latest Energy ROM) or is it because I started navipanel by hand.
Anyone knows how to solve this? Is there a registry key that forces the dialer to stay in landscape mode? Or is there something I can do with the microusb power connector (short pins?) to force the landscape mode?
It would be great if anyone is able to give me some details on registry changes when the CU-S400 connects (can be detected using SKTracker) so I can maybe write a utility/tool force this mode without the actual carkit.
Any help is apreciated, I hate it when the device return to portrait while I'm driving.
Thanks in advance.
Edit: Nothing was available so I cooked up something myself. See post 31 for a cab file.
le_cactus said:
Hi,
I've installed the update for Navipanel hoping it would work now, even though I don't have the CU-S400. I start the Navipanel.exe from the exe in the Windows folder, and it starts up as expected. When I try to make a call the dialer always switches to portrait even though Navipanel is in landscape.
Could this be a dialer problem (I have the latest Energy ROM) or is it because I started navipanel by hand.
Anyone knows how to solve this? Is there a registry key that forces the dialer to stay in landscape mode? Or is there something I can do with the microusb power connector (short pins?) to force the landscape mode?
It would be great if anyone is able to give me some details on registry changes when the CU-S400 connects (can be detected using SKTracker) so I can maybe write a utility/tool force this mode without the actual carkit.
Any help is apreciated, I hate it when the device return to portrait while I'm driving.
Thanks in advance.
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Its more of a quick work-around rather than a total fix, but have you tried Gyrator2? Its a program that allows the screen to rotate in pretty much all programs.
Hi,
I did, but it doesnt work; the dialer goes to portrait mode, and only switches to landscape again if I hold my phone in portrait and then to landscape again.
Is there noboby who has got it working and is willing to check somethings?
TIA,
Cheers,
/Cacti
I have htc car holder CU-S400 and for me it stays in the landscape even in dialer mode.
I have tried to start navipanel without car holder but then in dialer mode it goes to portrait.
I belive it is related to micro usb on car holder.I hope this will help.
It does, thanks. I've send you a PM.
Cheers,
/Cacti
I'm in Jakarta - Indonesia.
My car kit CU S400 has arrived yesterday, in navi panel mode can we use another program beside co pilot for navigation, how to choose or change the default (co pilot).
I've ask to support center and it's been 36 hours and still no answer to my question.
hope someone can help me.
regards,
Raymond Widya
Pinout?
chavonbravo said:
Well, it seems the registry that enables/disables NaviPanel is in HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Keypad\"IsCarKitMode" with dword 0 or 1. The file that controls this registry settings going on or off is HTCApplication.dll. The 'Keypad' key doesn't exist, so you'll have to add it and add the IsCarKitMode dword value.
I can't get it to work with my a2dp stereo headphones to connect automatically, but I think this is because when doing the bluetooth handshake, some flags must not be set that show it to be a car kit possibly. Only other option would be bthutil.dll after that and see what it does.
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So, digging in some more I found this post. The IsCarKitMode registry key does exist on our HD2's, and changing it's value to 1 briefly brings up the Navipanel. But sometings ( I guess the HTC Application service) changes it rights back to 0, disableing the 'true' landscape mode. Disableing the service isn't an option I think; it handles much more then just the car kit mode. An looking at the DLL that handles the service (HTCApplication.dll) didn't give me much info; the IsCarKitMode strings didn't even exist in it.
So now I'm looking for the pinout of the CU-S400 micro USB connector. I know the three coper connections beside the SIM may have the answer, but I also found threads stating certain Mini2Micro USB adapters made the device think it's in car kit mode. Anyone with any input on how to hardwire this please speakup
TIA,
Cheers,
Cacti
Never mind, I got it working now
Thanks for all your help
I've got a working NaviPanel and landscape dialer even withou the CU-S400. It detects AC power, waits for my BT Carkit to connect and then starts NaviPanel. True landscape, even if the dialer is started and when a call comes in.
Now all I need to figure out why every navigation shortcut in NaviPanel adds the Show parameter to CoPilot, and how CoPilot knows need to Go Home, Show Recent places, Addresses of simply start.
Again, I need the help. this time from someone using CoPilot and who is willing to use SKTracker to find out what's going on. I almost have the perfect solution, I'm nearly there
TIA,
Cheers,
/Cacti
le_cactus said:
Thanks for all your help
I've got a working NaviPanel and landscape dialer even withou the CU-S400. It detects AC power, waits for my BT Carkit to connect and then starts NaviPanel. True landscape, even if the dialer is started and when a call comes in.
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Would you like to share your setup ?
Go on le_cactus,and I am glad to see that you found solution for your problem.
I am sorry for didn't send you requested screenshot,but I was on trip and I didn't have good internet connection.
I hope you will find solution how to integrate alternative navigation system with navipanel,and I hope one of them will be GarminXT.
You know I really hate when someone says "I found a solution" and does not care enough to share the solution with others, but yet had to ask here in the first place. As for the navipanel, if you connect pin 4 to ground it will start up navipanel and let you use the dialer in landscape without it rotating to portrait first. Hope this helps others finding their way here for a solution.
duplicate sorry!
iBlade67 said:
You know I really hate when someone says "I found a solution" and does not care enough to share the solution with others, but yet had to ask here in the first place. As for the navipanel, if you connect pin 4 to ground it will start up navipanel and let you use the dialer in landscape without it rotating to portrait first. Hope this helps others finding their way here for a solution.
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Yes that was Bl**dy annoying.
However here is the answer.
It is possible to modify any car power adapter to enable navipanel. You must indeed connect pin 4 to ground pin 5. However I have discovered it is not that simple, that did not work on my power adapter. The reason was this.
Most power adapters connect pins 2+3 (the USB data lines) together to identify that it is a charger capable of supplying higher power than a PC USB port. This enables "fast charge". with these pins connected the HD2 wont go into navipanel.
It is neccessary to remove the link between pins 2+3 and instead link 4+5.
This allows the HD2 to switch to navipanel mode and at the same time recognise there is a high power charger present!!
The pins look like this from the rear
* * *
* *
numbered
5 3 1
4 2
I hope this helps someone else looking for this solution. It would be great if you could buy a "proper" aftermarket car adapter for the HD2 that had this mod done!
Cheers all and enjoy!
bob_bournemouth said:
Yes that was Bl**dy annoying.
However here is the answer.
It is possible to modify any car power adapter to enable navipanel. You must indeed connect pin 4 to ground pin 5. However I have discovered it is not that simple, that did not work on my power adapter. The reason was this.
Most power adapters connect pins 2+3 (the USB data lines) together to identify that it is a charger capable of supplying higher power than a PC USB port. This enables "fast charge". with these pins connected the HD2 wont go into navipanel.
It is neccessary to remove the link between pins 2+3 and instead link 4+5.
This allows the HD2 to switch to navipanel mode and at the same time recognise there is a high power charger present!!
The pins look like this from the rear
* * *
* *
numbered
5 3 1
4 2
I hope this helps someone else looking for this solution. It would be great if you could buy a "proper" aftermarket car adapter for the HD2 that had this mod done!
Cheers all and enjoy!
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Hi Bob,
I was also annoyed ybout the missing possibility to start the car kit mode. The Navi Panel was not a problem to start with a shortcut but unfortunately the predefined connect to my Parrot hands free set via bluetooth wouldnt work. So I have to crack it on the hardware side
I was very happy about your posting and the provided solution. I plan to start a field trial with a micro USB cable, my side cutter and my soldering iron. Hopefully I can affirm your pin-bridges
But before I start, I have to be sure that I count the plug pins right. Is the numbering of attached picture right or should I have to count otherwise?
Thanks for your help.
Here I got the answer!
http://translate.google.at/translat....cz/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=73&p=1037#p1037
original usb adaptor solved this issue
I am coming from tytn II and I have the original htc car charger, when I purchased the HD2 I found that the charger can't be used with it, then I went back to HTC store here in Saudi Arabia and asked for an adaptor (USB mini to USB micro), and it cost less than 3 USD and once I attached to the HD2 it went to the Navipanal.
I think the solution of the resistor was built in it or it is because of using the original HTC car charger (which was for the Tytn II).
Funny thing that I thought that this is natural with any Car charger till I saw this thread
CU-S400 Emulator
Hi,
I finaly got a working CU-S400 Car Holder emulator! When using my HD2 in landscape mode in my car I ran into the following problems:
The device changes to portrait mode everytime the dialer comes up
The device always goes to speakerphone on incoming calls, even though my Parrot carkit is connected. Outgoing call are routed through my Parrot carkit though. I always had to manualy disable speakerphone on every incomming call.
I have to switch on Bluetooth everytime I enter my car; having BT on all the time drains my battery to fast
Running NaviPanel (to solve part of the above problems) disables the StartMenu hardkey, and changes the Home hardkey to always change to NaviPanel instead of Sense.
The attached ZIP file contains the following files:
CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe - A modified file that is originaly used by the Via Michelin GSP software. It detects if AC Power is connected of disconnected, and the launches my HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe. It either launches with the AC_ON or AC_OFF parameter, depending on wheter AC is connected or disconnected.
CarKitMode Detect Helper.lnk - The shortcut that is placed in \Windows\StartUp to autostart the monitoring of te AC connection.
HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe - A Basic4PPC file I created. If started with the AC_ON parameter it changes the registry so my HD2 thinks it's connected to a CU-S400 Car Holder. It enables Blueooth and then waits for 2 minutes to see i the bluetooth device specified in NaviPanel settings is connected. If not, shuts itself down after disabling Bluetooth. If Bluetooth is connected sits, and waits for a call, and then disables speakerphone if it sees that speakerphone is enabled. That way the call is routed through the BT device.
When started with the AC_OFF parameter it changes the registry back, disables BT and shuts itself down.
VJSpeakerPhoneOFF.exe - The program that is called to disable speakerphone. It's part of the VJPhoneShortcuts suite that was created many years back by Vijay555. Big thanks to him, although I'm sure there are other programs that will do the same.
I've tested a lot, and can't find any battery or performance penalty for the always running helper application. And the HTC_car_kit_mode_auto only runs if AC power is connected, and then only for two minutes if the BT device isn't connected. Just unzip the attached CU-S400 Emulator.zip to the root of your device and soft reset. I tried to make a CAB file, but installing it always failes, haven't got a clue why. If anyone find a way to create this cab file, please let me know.
Best way to use this if BT is disabled by default. And it's not necessary to enable the auto launch of NaviPanel. I don't use it anymore. It disables the StartMenu hardkey, and since I don't use CoPilot it doesn't do much for me. By using these utilities I do have true landscape support for the dialer, and I works with any AC power connection, no need to modify the USB connector. I'm very happy, my in car experience is 100% better now.
Hope this helps anyone, if not I'm still happy, it works for me!
Cheers,
/Cacti
le_cactus said:
CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe - A modified file that is originaly used by the Via Michelin GSP software. It detects if AC Power is connected of disconnected, and the launches my HTC_car_kit_mode_auto.exe. It either launches with the AC_ON or AC_OFF parameter, depending on wheter AC is connected or disconnected.
CarKitMode Detect Helper.lnk - The shortcut that is placed in \Windows\StartUp to autostart the monitoring of te AC connection.
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Hi,
unfortunately this wont work on my ROM. I use original german ROM with all updates. If I copy your "Startup" shortcut to my "Autostart" folder I get an error message, that the application is not certified or some components are missing. I already dissabled the "uncertified" message with HD2Tweak and it works for other apps.
Best regards
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I get an error message, that the application is not certified or some components are missing.
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Hi,
At what point does the error message occur? At startup (while launching CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe) or when connecting or disconnecting power?
Cheers,
/Cacti
le_cactus said:
Hi,
At what point does the error message occur? At startup (while launching CarKitMode Detect Helper.exe) or when connecting or disconnecting power?
Cheers,
/Cacti
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At StartUp. Maybe it's because I use german ROM?
Is there any good navigation software for folio 100?
For gps we can use blutooth gps.
so far the only SW I know are Navigon, Sygic, Copilot and the one from Google.
You can try Copilot, iGO or Sygic Aura
I tried to install Sigic Aura but it told me it need "3D hardware acceleration not available in this phone". Is it possible to solve this problem???.
Thanks.
I try Igo My Way and the screen is to small.I install CoPilot but I can't run it. It say "CoPilot's code cannot be loaded by the system". With Aura I have problem with 3D...
Sent from my Folio 100 using Tapatalk
Thanks a lot.
Hello,
someone who tried this solution:
Haicom HI-505SD standard Bluetooth GPS receiver with standard miniSD to SD adaptor
Pros:
-standard Bluetooth connection
-power directly over the SD Card slot
to use navigation on the folio, u will need it to be constantly powered in the vehicle. there are many bluetooth gps receivers, and some of them are reported to work nicely with android 2.2 with the help of some 3rd party apps. but didi anyone find a way to power the folio in the car?
Officially there is no connector that you can use, but you can use a 3th party adaptor to get a 220/110 volt out of the cigarette lighter outlet.
You can also get a external backup battery.
I have a 12->15-21v laptop power supply to use in the car which was much better than trying to use a 240v charger in the car (it kept killing the little invertors I tried before).
Ok, i found a solution to using gps on the folio via bluetooth. There is an app called gpsredirect for winmo5 n up. Install bluetooth gps on android. U will need a pda running win mo 5 or above with integrated gps chipset. I han an old eten g500+ i was not using. I will make as my bluetooth gps receiver for the folio. Gps redirect works only on some devices, check the tested n supported list!
Just need to find a working navigation app for the folio now. Got a car charger for the eten g500+, just need to solve the charging for folio n the navigation app n we r good to go.
ok. i got co-pilot live on the folio and it works nicely. runninf on full screen. the graphics are not astonishing since its extrapolated and not made for 1024x600 screens but it looks fine to me.
I havent gotten time to try it with the apps i mentioned and the eten g500+, but will do so as soon as possible. now just needs to figure out a way to charge the folio in the car
at the end, it just for the sake of doing this and seeing a nav app running properly on the folio, but practically it is useless. the screen is too big to be legally placed on the dashboard of the car or the windshield for that matter.
secondly due to the screen size and brightness, it is not advised to drive at night with that kind of brightness flashing in the eyes.
i have a bleuthoot gps and working with navigon and ndrive on my folio.
it works perfect
Sygic
I think the best is Sygic GPS Navigation.
Very smooty and fast.