Hello, I am Kingdomfalls, I am from Canada, and I have been looking at the HD2 for quite a while, and it's really starting to grab my interest.
However, I have a few questions.
First of all, I have seen, in my research, a number of different models given for the same specifications. For example, there is the T8585 from Australia that seems to have the same baseband as the T9193, also from Australia. My question on this is whether the phone, when stated to be a T8585 with the 850 mhz band would be the same as the T9193?
Second of all, as I have noticed a number of HD2s on eBay with cracked screens/broken digitizers, I was wondering how difficult it would be to replace the digitizer. I have done repair projects before, just not to anything with a touchscreen. On a rating of one to ten, how difficult do you think it would be to replace the digitizer?
Third, I saw the General T9193 discussion thread, however, of the links given, one is dead, one I cannot seem to find either the price or the a potential link to buy and the third is rather pricey and I would prefer alternative options. So, are any of you aware of a more accessible or less expensive option than those given on the thread.
Thank you to any one of you who responds in advance. These threads are excellent resources, and I am very appreciative of the amount of time and work must of gone into them.
T8585 is the worldwide version, or "regular hd2" or sometimes euro hd2,, the one that most people outside of the USA have.
T9193 is the telstra model, identical to the t8585 except for the supported bands.
The tmous, or "t mobile USA" doesn't seem to have a txxxx number, and is the only one to have different hardware specs, (not counting supported bands) namely more rom.
Replacing just the digitizer is probably tgw hardest of all, since it involves completely (and I do mean completely) dissasembling the phone, and baking in an oven at 60degrees for ten mins to separate the digitizer from the glass and screen. Though you can buy whole screen,digi,glass all in one which would be somewhat easier. There are the official htc disassembly vids on YouTube.
OK, thank you that is quite helpful.
Then, from what I gather from what you've said is that:
T8585 is 900/2100
T9193 is 850/2100
Are there any T8585s that have the 850? Only reason I ask is that I have seen numerous T8585s on eBay *supposedly* having the 850 band, and they were from australia.
Not so far as I've ever heard of, no. There are only three models.
However the 8585 (all three models, probably) does support 850 GSM band (edge, Gprs, calls, NOT hsdpa ((3g))l so perhaps that's where the confusion is?
Yeah, I got the 850 GSM at first, but it was actually this that got me ( if I'm violating any rules by posting this please remove):
http://cgi.ebay.ca/HTC-HD2-Mobile-Phone-/140540125334?pt=AU_Mobile_Phones&hash=item20b8d82096
The author states it's a T8585 yet it's specs are for 850 HSPDA, as well this posting:
http://www.gsmarena.com/htc_hd2-2957.php
States that the Aussie version is the T8585 with 850 HSPDA.
I'm sorry if I'm being difficult, I'm just very confused at the moment.
No, you aren't being difficult,you're right to query it, but what can I say? No one has ever posted on this site with a t8585 that has the 850hsdpa band. There are only three versions of hd2.
The eBay link is wrong, the second link is just badly written in that yes the Australian version DOES have 850,,,, and also a different model code.
Why don't you phone HTC?
@everyone,,,,,,, anyone got a t8585 with 850mhz hsdpa?
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Hi all,
my first post here! a definite newbie!
I am planning to get a new HD2, and from a few online stores here down under in Australia, I found that they sell both the T8585 and the T9193. The T9193 is around AUD$200 more expensive.
Search the forum, seems like they are pretty the same except the NextG freq difference, and possibly the larger ROM (1G). I am not with NextG so that doesn't really bother me.
As I would be interested in using Android instead of Winmo, I am wondering if it is worth paying the extra 200 bucks for the larger ROM in T9193. Would that be more 3rd party android ROM support for this?
Thanks for all the insights...
Hey, welcome to xda
T9193 doesn't have a bigger ROM...it's still only 512MB. Only difference is the band frequencies.
thanks for clarifying it the_scotsman... I must have mis-read some info then.
a $200 difference for just a freq band difference!
Anyway, if that's the case, then I guess I will go with a T8585 and follow the instruction here to put android on. I hope it will be a nice experience.
Depending on your provider, one version will give you 3g and the other will not. Thats what he means by different bands. Make sure the one you buy is compatible with your company's 3g bands.
Anyone have an Australian HD2 for sale at a fair price? Must be the T9193 version so I can use it on AT&T. The screen/display must be in perfect condition! Price shipped to 19702?
I just got mine, brand new, for 350.00 aud, excl postage. Jump on eBay.com.au as well as ShopBot.com.au. you're after the Telstra model, T9193.
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Will these work with ATT?
Hello All! I see all the Australian versions on Ebay you can buy, but I am wondering if anyone knows if any of these three links will work. Each one says it is the T9193 model, and each shows HSDPA frequency at 850, but they are titled Tmobile. But also, looking at the Tmobile phones on the US Ebay, many say it supports the 850mhz HSDPA band, so assuming ATT has the 850 band in your area, why would these not work?
www[dot]cellification[dot]com/tmobile-htc-hd2-phone-wm-65-16gb-gsm-unlocked-cell-phone-p-65704[dot]html
www[dot]cell2get[dot]com/tmobile-htc-hd2-phone-wm-65-16gb-gsm-unlocked-p-1630[dot]html
www[dot]n1wireless[dot]com/HTC-HTC_T9193_Touch_HD2_GSM_Unlocked_Smartphone[dot]html
So which, if any, of these will work? Thanks folks
p.s. sorry for the [dot]'s. Ive been a member for awhile now but Im not one that often posts (on any message board Im a member of) so I have less than 8 posts which means I cant post links. I hope Im not doing anything illegal by doing it with the [dot]. If so, I apologize Mods. I just really need this question answered as Im getting conflicting info and who better than the best here at XDA? Thanks again
-Drew
Im using my dvp on Rogers in Canada currently on Edge, I was wondering if its possible to unlock the firmware to get 850/1900 band which the At&t phone has
Im pretty sure its only software related not hardware.
ya, i would hope so. I've got an htc tp2 right now and you can change the frequencies with different roms so...
That's not possible unfortunately. Its a hardware limitation, not software. The radio in the T-mobile phone isn't capable of those frequencies. The AT&T DVP and the T-mobile DVP have different radios.
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How are you so sure?
Because I can read. Go to Dells website and look at the differences in the AT&T and the T-Mobile DVPS. Clearly they state the different frequencies the phone can do. Plus if the phone was Quad band Dell would advertise that, because its a big selling point. The two DVPS have diff radios. You can also see this if you look at any of the videos tear downs of the DVPs. Look at the product codes on radios in the video, and search their info. This is how I can be so sure!
I know it's nothing concrete, but i think of all of the devices on this site the only thing that was ever to have bands unlocked was the touch diamond 2. Quite uncommon.
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Because I can read. Go to Dells website and look at the differences in the AT&T and the T-Mobile DVPS. Clearly they state the different frequencies the phone can do. Plus if the phone was Quad band Dell would advertise that, because its a big selling point. The two DVPS have diff radios. You can also see this if you look at any of the videos tear downs of the DVPs. Look at the product codes on radios in the video, and search their info. This is how I can be so sure!
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Care to link the video? I can't find from any major site having a DVP tear down
I dunno i went through the dell site for both phones it says the same thing :
* UMTS 900/1700/2100
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900
HSDPA 7.2Mbps/HSUPA 5.76 Mbps
So obviously an error for the at&t varient , and cant find any so called videos of tear downs
Have you guys read about this? mobilitydigest.com/dell-venue-pro-has-pentaband-3g-hidden-away-might-already-be-compatible-with-att/
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Have you guys read about this? mobilitydigest.com/dell-venue-pro-has-pentaband-3g-hidden-away-might-already-be-compatible-with-att/
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Thats old news and that one doesn't work. All it does is stores the band selected in the EM App's isolated storage.
funny thing is that the OP may have a more definitive answer if we had a larger community on the DVP
I think a samsung vibrant has dual frequencies on the same device itself. both att and tmobile. it was the matter of cracking it and allow whcih ever freq. you wanted to use.
maybe the dvp has this? we dont know. no one has been able to to unlock/crack the dvp yet.
Hi everyone. I'm buying a used, unlocked T-Mobile DVP 8GB soon, manufactured around January 2011 and is supposedly running Mango. I realize the phone is filled with issues, but they have supposedly been fixed by now. I'm just wondering if there are any specific issues I should check for before going ahead with the sale. Thanks!
No compass...yet
That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?
khara said:
That's fine with me. I was thinking more along the line of things like checking all the keys to make sure they type the right letter (saw in another thread that x and z were switched for some reason), the device can be detected by a computer when connecting through USB, the phone doesn't reboot when you touch the screen, etc...
Also, what's the latest firmware/OS version for the DVP right now?
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I've had absolutely no problems out of my DVP. 7.10.7720.68 is the latest OS version on mine. Yeah, the compass is a strange omission considering the hardware is there and was originally implemented but maps seems to orient just fine when I need directions. GPS is crazy fast.
Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?
khara said:
Sounds good! Do you know the latest firmware version number as well?
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latest DVP update is 7.10.8107 if the mobile is a factory unlocked version
if you have operator specific model like say T-Mobile / ATT then it would be 7.10.7720 or in some cases 7.10.7740
I too am considering a Dell Venue Pro. I am on Mobilicity in Toronto area and getting a decent Windows Phone that operates on AWS frequencies (1700/2100) is a challenge. T-Mobile phones are the only option but ordering a T-Mobile phone into Canada is a challenge too. It would be simply easier to drive to the NY State or Michigan and buy from a T-Mobile store and then unlock but I don't have 3-4 hours to burn. The Dell Venue Pro is easily available and is unlocked even ordering from Amazon.com.
If anyone has serious reservations please advise. Even better if someone is reading this and is on Mobilicity with this phone, I would appreciate any comments good or bad.
DVP !!
Hey,
M in India, and I got a DVP unlocked 16 gig, and I have no issues with it.
For me its the best looking phone out there
I dont care much about the specs(I mean if you compare the phones out there today, DVP lags behind), and the specs that a DVP has, is enough for me.
I have had only one stuck up, where I had to remove the battery to power it back on. That's it. Otherwise it has worked smoothly.
No other random reboot, no lag.
One thing, the camera is bad. You wont be able to take motion pictures. It will be blurry.
After Mango update, and making some changes in the settings, the still pics are gr8, but if you are trying to capture something that's moving, then m sorry, this aint the phone for you
I bought it in November 2011.
Current version:
OS version: 7.10.8107.79
My verdict: If you like classy, go for the DVP !!!
Excuse me for any typos or wrong grammar, English ain't my first language.
I picked it up yesterday, and so far I love it! There are a few things tripping me up, but nothing that i feel would push me over the age to abandon the platform like I did with Android. For one, it would be nice to be able to push enter to send an SMS using the keyboard, rather than having to touch the send icon on the screen. It would also be nice to be able to block certain numbers from calling.
Battery life does seem like an improvement over my old phone, though.
If you are purchasing new, in the US, I would question it. The phone is old hardware, at least 18 months old, I'd not more. Does not do 4g or wifi n. Simply put, why would you invest in an old device.
If you are buying used, or cheap with no contract, its worth it. But, buyer beware. A lot of used phones are showing up in a less than ideal condition, with damaged SD slots, or with the ability to reset missing. In these conditions they are virtually impossible to fix. Just be careful
That being said, these are good devices, well made and sound. I do not regret purchasing mine way back when. It was a most amazing Christmas present when received on December 21st, 2010.
Just to let you know I opted for a Nokia Lumia 710 !
Great deal here in Canada for 254.99 (from Rogers no contract) then $10 for unlock code. I know it's a completely different phone from DVP but figured I may as well get on with latest model phone for fairly cheap price. It will give me an idea if next (more expensive phone) should be the Nokia 900.
Thanks everyone for the mainly good comments about DVP.
We've discussed it for a bit here
Though if you're on rogers you actually have the choice of any of the lumias. (as rogers uses the same 3g bands as at&t and regardless prob has more choices)
TmoUSA users dont though, it's either the 710 or the VP or radar. (there's very little selection for AWS devices, that's almost literally every AWS capable wp7 device)
Yes... actually I am on Mobilicity which is same band as T-Mobile (1700/2100).
The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone so yes it works with Rogers 3 G bands and AT&T bands, and of course it works perfectly with Mobilicity ! (had to unlock it though)
Wonder if the T-Mobile version is penta band ? Also wonder why Rogers doesn't advertise this? I did some reading and found out it's penta band but if you read the specs from Rogers website it's only showing as quad-band. Quick trip to a Rogers store and reading the label shows it's penta band.
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php
Perhaps they dont want you purchasing one and turning it to another carrier?
For a carrier sold one the supported bands arnt really relevent, as long as it supports their own band obviously.
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The Rogers Lumia 710 is a penta band phone
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I doubt this, because I am not sure that the Qualcomm chipset actually supports pentaband UMTS.
It's more likely that it's quadband UMTS, which would still allow it cover all UMTS frequencies for both ATT and T-Mo. As in, maybe they left out 850 or 900.
Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)
HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 - For Canada
http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_710-4276.php
TheManii said:
Reports are the rogers one works on wind, which is AWS like tmoUSA
That would mean it's at very least: 850/1700/1900/2100, with the question as to if it supports 900.
As: 850/1900 is what rogers uses (like at&t)
and: 1700/2100 for aws (it's more work to have a 1700 device without 2100 then to leave it in)
From my understanding, it's merely what amps the manu decides to put in, and what they decide is mostly politics.
All htc devices are dual band unless they're forced to add more
Most samsung international devices are triband or higher. (though they dont generally use qualcomm chips)
All dell devices are triband or higher (with the exception of the EU Streak 5 as the AWS is uncommon)
I cant actually confirm it as I dont actually recall seeing a 5+ band phone using a qualcomm chip.
Worst case you can do APQxxxx + MDMxxxx and use an external modem that does support it, i believe the MDM9200 explicitly supports 5 bands + lte bands.
All devices with APQ8060 chips do this, as APQ chips are by definition chips without modems. There's a few phones that use this setup.
tl;dr the rogers varient should support at least 850/1700/1900/2100, since at least on at&t they use both 850 and 1900 (not unreasonable to assume rogers does the same)
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Can confirm the ATT version works on Rogers bands. Sold my unlocked DVP (ATT) to a rogers users. He reported it worked fine on 3G.
Yesterday I fell prey to purchasing a T8585. Which will not work for me in 3G. I figured that out after I purchased. However I may have got the seller to stop the device from going out. He says he contacted the warehouse to stop, he hasn't emailed me again yet.
Anyway I had another thought that I haven't seen on this site before. Since the hd2 t9193 is so incredibly expensive and out of my price range, and I may have to drop this WM6/android phone obsession in general. I can't find any where that offers a price under $600. People realize what they have and that it's highly sought after. Like a late model sports car, not made anymore. Has anyone thought of this idea: That of, Taking a hot fine-point soldering iron and pulling the 900/2100 3G band chip off the board, and replacing it with another one that will work? Is it that rare of a kind of chip... not possible?
Obviously the builders do it easily.
I asked nearly the same question to 'Wayne Hardman' of Hattix and received this reply:
---The short answer is: "No".
The long answer is that on UMTS Or HSDPA the T9193 is an 850 MHz device, while the T8585 is 900/2100, but the kicker is that you need to replace the entire logic board. The T9193 is hardware locked to not use 800 or 900 MHz bands while the T8585 is locked to not use 850 MHz (some Broadcomm patent or other) and you need to replace the entire baseband to do that. Some of the baseband is in the "radio chip", but some of it is also in the QSD8250 SoC.
So what I'd do is indeed replace the entire logic board. Just pick one up from eBay which has a smashed screen or something like that. Alternatively, if you don't care much for 3G at all (why not carry around a MiFi or similar?) then both devices will work on AT&T's 2G/EDGE network."----
But I do care about 3G. To follow up on my 1st thread, I have not heard again from the seller as to whether it has been shipped or stopped, nor has the money been returned.
I was able to cancel my transaction completely, and I received a full-refund. I was fortunate. I'm now considering to give up completely on the Win 6.5. It is sad really. I cannot find any good way to live in both worlds anymore. The HD2 was a good dream. Pretty soon I will purchase a high-end Android phone with top-of-line specs under a contract.
I would love a T9193
I live in mexico an have the same problem with 3G and would love to get my hands on a T9193, 3g would work great!
Which one is for tmobile and which is for att?
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TMOUS HD2 is for t-mobile US with 1700/2100 3g
this model has 1GB flash memory, green call & red end key & plastic body extends about 1.5mm extra from bottom edge of the glass screen to incorporate the different radio hardware
T9193 is Australia Telstra model with 850/2100 3g which did work under att
T8585 is standard worldwide model with 1900/2100 3g
All models are quad-band GSM but TMOUS model has by far the best reception from my testing due to better antenna design.
Mister B said:
TMOUS HD2 is for t-mobile US with 1700/2100 3g
this model has 1GB flash memory, green call & red end key & plastic body extends about 1.5mm extra from bottom edge of the glass screen to incorporate the different radio hardware
T9193 is Australia Telstra model with 850/2100 3g which did work under att
T8585 is standard worldwide model with 1900/2100 3g
All models are quad-band GSM but TMOUS model has by far the best reception from my testing due to better antenna design.
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Sorry for bumping this thread, but can i just swap the logic board from mt TMOBILE HD2 into my new HTC HD2 T8585?
If USA T-Mobile with green/red call/end keys the board probably won't fit in the EU T8585 rear housing as USA T-Mobile mainboard is bit longer & casing on the USA T-Mobile differs to allow for this.
T8585 boards can go to USA T-Mobile but usb & headset socket sit short.
You best looking into it as you could use the USA T-Mobile rear cover housing too perhaps.