[Help] Menu don't open on Manila Tab Music - Windows Mobile

Hello my friends,
I use the latest HTC Sense v 2.5.20212114.0 and i have a little problem on the Music tab !
I can see the library softkey, and the Menu softkey.
The library menu can be opened whitout problem, but, if i click on the menu softkay, nothing happens.
Anyone have an idea or an issue for this ?
Thanks a lot my friend,
Best regards,
Nixeus

Hi Nixeus,
Try replacing the xmls in the package with the xmls attached.
Grtz, Leo

Hello Laurentius26,
Thanks a lot for your answer, nevertheless, i have tried but there is no changes
Best regards,
Nixeus

Sorry mate,
I remember I was having the same issue with it.
Now that I look at my kitchen I see I use a earlier version.
Manila_Music_2_5_20173722_0
Nixeus said:
Hello Laurentius26,
Thanks a lot for your answer, nevertheless, i have tried but there is no changes
Best regards,
Nixeus
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Have you made sure that your xml is getting placed in the appropriate folder during build?
\Windows\ManilaXml

Laurentius26 said:
Sorry mate,
I remember I was having the same issue with it.
Now that I look at my kitchen I see I use a earlier version.
Manila_Music_2_5_20173722_0
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I use actually the same version : Manila Music v2.5.20173722.0
It's strange

jmart518 said:
Have you made sure that your xml is getting placed in the appropriate folder during build?
\Windows\ManilaXml
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Hello my friend, and thanks for your answer.
Sadly, my XML files are in the appropriate folder.

Here you go bro, you can try out my oem to see if it works for you.
**Note: it is CFC compressed and localized (0409)

Thanks a lot for yout help
Sadly, always no changes
I think the problem comes from an other package

If I replace the two XML file from your package by the 2 XML files for my localization, the menu is ok, but....i have only the IDS_***** always...
So i cannot use the latest manila music package, i need to use the old Manila_Music_2_5_20171130_0.
I think it's due to a localization dependence located in an other manila package.
Thanks a lot for your help

I get menus disabled in sense sometimes when i use different kitchen! its a lot of trial and error to figure out what works, and what doesnt...

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[PROBLEM] Rhodium Dialer Tap & Hold, Display Stays On In Call

hello fellow chefs
i am trying to make a rhodium rom and downloaded a kitchen there
i replaced all sys/xip packages to the ones i want and replaced all ext packages to the ones i use
the rom is working for 99% but i have two problems
i have the tap and hold bug in the dialer(tried different phone canvas and enhancement packages) and i have it in file explorer
i have a tweak that is supposed to fix it dunno if its the right one though
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\GWE\Touch\Filter]
"MinimumTapTime"=dword:00000000
when i check the reg of the rom the valeu is set so it is processed
does some one have a idea what it could be?
edit: just found out the screen stays on when i get answer a call
some one know the regtweak to make the screen go off when you start a phone call
48 views and no one knows what is causing my problem
OMG
105 views and still no one that could help me
there are so many people that know so much but no one knows my problem
think i am unique with my problem
Did you try other oem packages already? Maybe it's in the touch.dll not functioning correctly.
What issue do you have in file explorer?
EpiphanyNL said:
Did you try other oem packages already? Maybe it's in the touch.dll not functioning correctly.
What issue do you have in file explorer?
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thanks epiphany for the rep
the problem is when i am in file explorer i have to tap and hold to select something
i also have this problem in dialer
i will try different touch.dll files and hope this will help
Keep me posted
miniterror said:
i have the tap and hold bug in the dialer(tried different phone canvas and enhancement packages) and i have it in file explorer
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Hope this help:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\TFLOIgnoreAPPs]
"IgnoreCProg"="cprog.exe"
"IgnoreFExplorer"="fexplore.exe"
EpiphanyNL said:
Keep me posted
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could be the dll
saw i had smarttouch from blackstone cooked in:S
cant test at the moment though as the harddisk with my kitchens isnt in a computer at the moment since i am hoping i can have my quadcore at the end of next week
Cloudyfa said:
Hope this help:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\OEM\TFLOSettings\TFLOIgnoreAPPs]
"IgnoreCProg"="cprog.exe"
"IgnoreFExplorer"="fexplore.exe"
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thank you
also gonna give this a shot

problem with swype

hi folks, hope someone han help with this.
i'm trying to cook in the latest version of swype (cabbed by lord yuz. from a 'certain' site)
i've converted the cab to an ext but even though it builds it's not opening the keyboard. i can't see what i'm doing wrong but if anyone has a working package or any ideas what i'm missing i'd be grateful
thanks
Chris
You need to replace 'ModelName.txt' in Operatorpkg with a T-Mob modelname.
chrisd1a1 said:
hi folks, hope someone han help with this.
i'm trying to cook in the latest version of swype (cabbed by lord yuz. from a 'certain' site)
i've converted the cab to an ext but even though it builds it's not opening the keyboard. i can't see what i'm doing wrong but if anyone has a working package or any ideas what i'm missing i'd be grateful
thanks
Chris
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Laurentius26 said:
You need to replace 'ModelName.txt' in Operatorpkg with a T-Mob modelname.
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thats what i initially thought from earlier versions but i understood this version was cracked to avoid that requirement?
thanks for the advice mate, i'll give it a go
If you are using ervius kitchen, and you created the EXT from the CAB,
normally on your app.dat file you will have only "Directory("\Windows\Swype...")"; try to exchange all of them with the equivalent like "Directory("\Program Files\Swype...")" the problem is that you will have a duplicate of all your file (each in windows directory and also in program files\swype directory).
To make it your default SIP use this reg key in your app.reg.
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip]
"DefaultIm"="{7D51A54F-14D0-4eda-AC8D-0AE175C344E8}"
I hope it will help you.
solidpowder said:
If you are using ervius kitchen, and you created the EXT from the CAB,
normally on your app.dat file you will have only "Directory("\Windows\Swype...")"; try to exchange all of them with the equivalent like "Directory("\Program Files\Swype...")" the problem is that you will have a duplicate of all your file (each in windows directory and also in program files\swype directory).
To make it your default SIP use this reg key in your app.reg.
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\ControlPanel\Sip]
"DefaultIm"="{7D51A54F-14D0-4eda-AC8D-0AE175C344E8}"
I hope it will help you.
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cheers mate, i've tried the modelname and no joy the ext i'm using is writing to the windows directory, i've edited all the paths but no joy on it working. also it's not duplicating the files.
i've cooked in nuesipdefault so swype is selectable. gives the option to choose.
any other ideas from anyone as i'm really stuck with this
maybe you will need also this on your app.reg
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Swype]
"DataDir"="My Documents"
"FirstTime"=dword:1
"InstallDir"="\\Program Files\\Swype"
Swype is one of those apps that cant be set only in windows... sorry bud but it seems that some paths are hardcoded inside the exe file not just in regs, i tried sometimes and cant make it works just in windows\
solidpowder said:
maybe you will need also this on your app.reg
[HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Swype]
"DataDir"="My Documents"
"FirstTime"=dword:1
"InstallDir"="\\Program Files\\Swype"
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+ Que PPC said:
Swype is one of those apps that cant be set only in windows... sorry bud but it seems that some paths are hardcoded inside the exe file not just in regs, i tried sometimes and cant make it works just in windows\
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cheers folks, i'll give this a try tonight and see what happens, fingers crossed.
failing that if anyone has a working ext package for Swype v3.19.20.20.6343
i'd be very grateful for a share
im using this package and it workes for me. i remove the video, french, italien and spanish language
http://rapidshare.com/files/388900459/Swype_3_19_20_20_6343_0.7z.html
password: xda-devs
chrisd1a1 said:
cheers folks, i'll give this a try tonight and see what happens, fingers crossed.
failing that if anyone has a working ext package for Swype v3.19.20.20.6343
i'd be very grateful for a share
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ratelutz said:
im using this package and it workes for me. i remove the video, french, italien and spanish language
http://rapidshare.com/files/388900459/Swype_3_19_20_20_6343_0.7z.html
password: xda-devs
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cheers man, will give it a try
edit: this works. thank you, thank you thank you
hey chris... the cab you sent me is only for big ressource not all res allowed and i dont have langs BTW its overlapped in the softkeybar , does this in RS is compatible with all the resolutions?
Oh forget it the link is dead now
if this doesn't work try the swype packages from chucky kitchen (hd2 rom) that must work.
ratelutz said:
im using this package and it workes for me. i remove the video, french, italien and spanish language
http://rapidshare.com/files/388900459/Swype_3_19_20_20_6343_0.7z.html
password: xda-devs
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link isn't working anymore. any chance someone could repost?
I would love this link also.
here you are
after trying all the different cabs and ext packages of swype that I could find,
none of them worked when cooked, so I decided to play around with the files from
3 different downloads. I finally managed to create a package that works with
osKitchen for the HD2 - Leo. just extract to your EXT Packages folder.
DOWNLOAD REMOVED - DUE TO XDA RULES
Farsite said:
after trying all the different cabs and ext packages of swype that I could find,
none of them worked when cooked, so I decided to play around with the files from
3 different downloads. I finally managed to create a package that works with
osKitchen for the HD2 - Leo. just extract to your EXT Packages folder.
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You have mixed up the previous version with the new one?
I have checke the package and there are a lot of different in the basic keyboard files.
totalcmdext said:
You have mixed up the previous version with the new one?
I have checke the package and there are a lot of different in the basic keyboard files.
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yeah, its a combination of the Fixed.Blackbird cab and the EXT package with NL patch that can be found on the forums. it works perfectly on my HD2 when cooked using oskitchen.

[QUESTION] automatic reboot at first boot

Hi
My ROM has some tweaks and extras that needs a soft reset after initialization wth 1st boot. How can I make a automatic reboot just the 1st time the phone boots up?
If you're using RunCC, edit your *.rgu/app.reg accordingly:
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\RunCC]
"ResetDevice"=dword:00000001
How can I know if I use runCC?
You don't know which packages you're using for your ROM? Funny thing!
animelover said:
You don't know which packages you're using for your ROM? Funny thing!
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hehe... just using a dump of official rhodium S2, and spiced it up a bit, and deleted things I don't need
Take a look into EXT -> Rhodium -> Your Build -> Rhodium_External_Packages and search for "RunCC"!
animelover said:
Take a look into EXT -> Rhodium -> Your Build -> Rhodium_External_Packages and search for "RunCC"!
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yeye... there it is Thanks
animelover said:
You don't know which packages you're using for your ROM? Funny thing!
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Funny indeed. These are the junior cooks we get these days...
No offense here but ...
I think all of great cooks started as "junior"
Even the big NRGZ28
best regards
fwt
hey hey... fair play ppl... glad to have new chefs CC is for that... new chefs and experienced chefs
fwt said:
No offense here but ...
I think all of great cooks started as "junior"
Even the big NRGZ28
best regards
fwt
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Very true..
Anyways, I love your sig And it's quite funny how true it is!
if i might stick with the topic
2 - xda_uc also offers a reboot after customization - you could add this to your ext
3 - old method: autorun + checkautorun pkg also reboots your rom (dump blackstone or kovsky)
Problem With add2config Packages?
Hey, I had this problem before where all my packages that I cook in with the add2config method (so they can be removed by the user) aren't installing / aren't being set as default...
These are the following packages that I have the problem with:
BG4All Tabs (add2config) - Doesn't appear in the rom at all
A 6.5.5 Theme (add2config) - Isn't default but is in the list of themes
A 6.5.5 Taskbar (add2config) - Doesn't appear in the rom at all
All this was solved when I changed the runcc rgu file: e110406e-9af4-4cdc-932d-255ac9636f4d like everyone says to "ResetDevice"=dword:00000001
But since rebuilding my kitchen im having the same problem, Ive changed the reset device to 00000001 but still none of the add2config packages are working has anyone got any solutions?
Thanks
[★] said:
Hey, I had this problem before where all my packages that I cook in with the add2config method (so they can be removed by the user) aren't installing / aren't being set as default...
These are the following packages that I have the problem with:
BG4All Tabs (add2config) - Doesn't appear in the rom at all
A 6.5.5 Theme (add2config) - Isn't default but is in the list of themes
A 6.5.5 Taskbar (add2config) - Doesn't appear in the rom at all
All this was solved when I changed the runcc rgu file: e110406e-9af4-4cdc-932d-255ac9636f4d like everyone says to "ResetDevice"=dword:00000001
But since rebuilding my kitchen im having the same problem, Ive changed the reset device to 00000001 but still none of the add2config packages are working has anyone got any solutions?
Thanks
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I'm not sure anyone will be able to answer that without being totally lucky if you don't post your packages or build-log or at least the add2config text files. Anway, maybe you already do this, but if you don't, then start doing this: after cooking, look in the dump and make sure everything is there. Also, look at config.txt to make sure all the add2config's were compiled properly. This will save you the flash-disappointment.
Ok theres my buildlog, my run cc rgu file and one of my add2config files Thanks.
fwt said:
No offense here but ...
I think all of great cooks started as "junior"
Even the big NRGZ28
best regards
fwt
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Yeah, but I wasn't cooking ROMs for the public until I knew what the hell I was doing... lol
NRGZ28 said:
Yeah, but I wasn't cooking ROMs for the public until I knew what the hell I was doing... lol
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lol, also I did this way...
Can't remember where I read something like "PPL: Could you make it in this language?" - " "COOK": I don't know how to!"
LOL
[★] said:
Hey, I had this problem before where all my packages that I cook in with the add2config method (so they can be removed by the user) aren't installing / aren't being set as default...
These are the following packages that I have the problem with:
BG4All Tabs (add2config) - Doesn't appear in the rom at all
A 6.5.5 Theme (add2config) - Isn't default but is in the list of themes
A 6.5.5 Taskbar (add2config) - Doesn't appear in the rom at all
All this was solved when I changed the runcc rgu file: e110406e-9af4-4cdc-932d-255ac9636f4d like everyone says to "ResetDevice"=dword:00000001
But since rebuilding my kitchen im having the same problem, Ive changed the reset device to 00000001 but still none of the add2config packages are working has anyone got any solutions?
Thanks
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[★] said:
Ok theres my buildlog, my run cc rgu file and one of my add2config files Thanks.
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Bumping my own question
[★] said:
Ok theres my buildlog, my run cc rgu file and one of my add2config files Thanks.
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The add2config.txt file is in the wrong folder; it needs to go in the \files sub-folder of the EXT. Put it in there, and you're problems should go away.
Edit: although, I'm seeing this in the build-log:
Found: 1 Extra Info on a Package... Populating config.txt with: CAB: \Windows\B4ALL.cab
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and this:
Processing "B4ALL.cab" as file
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So, I guess I don't really understand why the .cab isn't installing. I've never used runcc before, so I can't help you on what may be going on with it. I guess it's ok to put the add2config in the main folder, since it looks like it's compiling correctly.
2nd Edit: all the cab is doing is adding a couple of manila files; you should just dump the two files and put them in an EXT and have them over-write the stock manila files. You don't need to run this as a cab, as far as I can tell.
You need to fix this (minor, but might as well do it):
Failed to parse value name HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Security\Shell\StartInfo\start\Tools\Format SD Card.lnk!!!
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Farmer Ted said:
The add2config.txt file is in the wrong folder; it needs to go in the \files sub-folder of the EXT. Put it in there, and you're problems should go away.
Edit: although, I'm seeing this in the build-log:
and this:
So, I guess I don't really understand why the .cab isn't installing. I've never used runcc before, so I can't help you on what may be going on with it. I guess it's ok to put the add2config in the main folder, since it looks like it's compiling correctly.
2nd Edit: all the cab is doing is adding a couple of manila files; you should just dump the two files and put them in an EXT and have them over-write the stock manila files. You don't need to run this as a cab, as far as I can tell.
You need to fix this (minor, but might as well do it):
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(disregard my last post on the other thread, I didnt realise you had replied )
Thanks for the response, yeah the add2config file has worked before in the root of the packages, seems something else it buggy :/
Yeah that cab may be so, but that was an old one just as an example, I really need to get it working for this mortscript thing we discussed on the other thread..
Maybe we could discuss more tomorrow ? Perhaps you could have a nosey in my kitchen or something, I know I should work this stuff out myself, but as a chef still in training, its quite difficult to know what to look for, and help from peopel like you is priceless
Thanks

[Solved] howto Resolve blank space

Can someone tell me howto resolve the blank space as in attached image?
As you can see this happens in a Dutch ROM, issue doesn't appear in WWE version of the same ROM
Here's the solution with thanks to DiegisOn:
Diegis0n said:
I edited the 0413.mui file and it works !!
I'll upload it
http://rapidshare.com/files/392988811/SettingImprovement.exe.0413.mui
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patensas said:
Can someone tell me howto resolve the blank space as in attached image?
As you can see this happens in a Dutch ROM, issue doesn't appear in WWE version of the same ROM
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Will check on my NLD rom if this is also happening
Diegis0n said:
Will check on my NLD rom if this is also happening
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If not i hope you can supply the solution to
patensas said:
If not i hope you can supply the solution to
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It's also blank in mine
2 ways to fix it:
- Use the latest "SettingImprovement.exe.0409.mui" and rename to 0413 <-- my advise
or
- Use the "Settings_Improvement_1_0_19211330_06" from the stock 1.66 NLD rom
It's probably due to the fact that you're using a 0413.mui that doesn't fit the newer package
(Just like QuickGPS, Voice Recorder and some others ...)
Diegis0n said:
It's also blank in mine
2 ways to fix it:
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My guess would be there's a manila file that's missing a translation or something since documents tab isn't officially released in Dutch.
Will try your suggestion in a bit.
What other packages suffor the same issues with 0413 problems?
I know about g-sensor calibrator, QuickGPS and Voice recorder and you know about more?
patensas said:
My guess would be there's a manila file that's missing a translation or something since documents tab isn't officially released in Dutch.
Will try your suggestion in a bit.
What other packages suffor the same issues with 0413 problems?
I know about g-sensor calibrator, QuickGPS and Voice recorder and you know about more?
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Exaclty, but what file Just like the text below the docs icon while scrolling tabs ...
As to other 0413 issues, G-sensor completes the list afaik the other langs is another story ...
Diegis0n said:
Exaclty, but what file Just like the text below the docs icon while scrolling tabs ...
As to other 0413 issues, G-sensor completes the list afaik the other langs is another story ...
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Oh well the text below the docs icon was of no issue and i found it in a flash, just can't seem to find the file for the blank.
patensas said:
Oh well the text below the docs icon was of no issue and i found it in a flash, just can't seem to find the file for the blank.
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I think i'm on to something about that blank field
Diegis0n said:
I think i'm on to something about that blank field
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And you want to share that info?
patensas said:
And you want to share that info?
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Of course ! If it works
Edit: cooking
Diegis0n said:
Of course ! If it works
Edit: cooking
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Can't wait to hear if it works since this is the only "issue" i've found in my latest rom
The other options you've mentioned also work but that leaves us without the shortcut for Documents tab settings.
patensas said:
Can't wait to hear if it works since this is the only "issue" i've found in my latest rom
The other options you've mentioned also work but that leaves us without the shortcut for Documents tab settings.
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I edited the 0413.mui file and it works !!
I'll upload it
http://rapidshare.com/files/392988811/SettingImprovement.exe.0413.mui
Diegis0n said:
I edited the 0413.mui file and it works !!
I'll upload it
http://rapidshare.com/files/392988811/SettingImprovement.exe.0413.mui
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You're the man, cooking this very moment
What program do you use to edit mui files?
patensas said:
You're the man, cooking this very moment
What program do you use to edit mui files?
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I use Restorator.
PS: can you show me how to have the text below the icon?
Diegis0n said:
I use Restorator.
PS: can you show me how to have the text below the icon?
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I've edited the 26948339_manila file in Manila Core folder which was the easiest way to solve it for me since i only cook in Dutch.
patensas said:
I've edited the 26948339_manila file in Manila Core folder which was the easiest way to solve it for me since i only cook in Dutch.
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So simple Thanks!
Diegis0n said:
So simple Thanks!
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You're welcome and ofcourse thank you for editing the mui file for me
Happy ending huh? added into the fixes stickie thread
+ Que PPC said:
Happy ending huh? added into the fixes stickie thread
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And they cooked happily ever after ...

How to disable auto time synchororization in kitchen

hi every body
can someone please give me some advice .i want to disable auto time synchronization before cooking the leo rom.can you please tell me how can i do this.thanks.and i wish you all very happy new year.
Code:
;disable auto time sync
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\TimeZoneAutoFix]
"CreatePDPAlways"=dword:00000002
"WarnAlways"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Clock]
"HomeDST"=dword:00000000
"AutoDST"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL]
"NITZEnable"=dword:00000000
HD2Owner said:
Code:
;disable auto time sync
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\HTC\TimeZoneAutoFix]
"CreatePDPAlways"=dword:00000002
"WarnAlways"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Clock]
"HomeDST"=dword:00000000
"AutoDST"=dword:00000000
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Drivers\BuiltIn\RIL]
"NITZEnable"=dword:00000000
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thanks for reply .where is this in os kitchen please?
master92 said:
thanks for reply .where is this in os kitchen please?
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Try opening all the reg files in your kitchen and look... You might learn a couple of new things as well if you do that!
ai6908 said:
Try opening all the reg files in your kitchen and look... You might learn a couple of new things as well if you do that!
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Yup, that works. Also, just use Kheb 1.1 to find registry keys. It's faster and easier than either searching or starting a new thread.
The key is probably in the oem drivers rgu, and it may appear several times.
i swithed to osbuilder lately.
there is a option inside called registry preview.
if you expand the three and select the key you're searching for, it shows wich rgu-files are editing the selected key. very easy. best kitchen i ever used to cook roms.
i already solved some order problems this way. just to let you know.
the keys i wrote about should be simply added as last package after all xip/sys/oem (overwrite any other rgu values).
HD2Owner said:
i swithed to osbuilder lately.
there is a option inside called registry preview.
if you expand the three and select the key you're searching for, it shows wich rgu-files are editing the selected key. very easy. best kitchen i ever used to cook roms.
i already solved some order problems this way. just to let you know.
the keys i wrote about should be simply added as last package after all xip/sys/oem (overwrite any other rgu values).
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hi thanks for reply can you please tell me where can i download this kitchen, and is it for leo.
master92 said:
hi thanks for reply can you please tell me where can i download this kitchen, and is it for leo.
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You can make it work for leo.
http://www.mobileunderground.info/showthread.php?t=12348

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