I have AT&T, and i've heard I needed a rogers phone to be able to use all the features of the phone.
Theses are the cheapest 32a (288 ram correct?) HTC magics that i've found.
Why is one cheaper than the other? The one that doesn't say rogers, should I be able to use fine?
http://www.negrielectronics.com/product_info.php?products_id=2596{txt_8}{10}
http://www.atgsm.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=Phone-HTCMagic&CartID=1
thank you
I believe vodafone only carries the 32B variant and would not support ATT3g anyway.
I think they do 900/2100 bands.
Only Rogers has the ATT bands, which makes sense since it used to be Rogers-ATT wireless.
I actually have a Rogers Magic and a T-mobile myTouch. I have to say that the performance is indeed better on the Magic. However, the ATT3g network is really not that big a deal. I can save a few seconds here and there, but nothing to really write home about.
I couldn't help myself and bought a new T8185 a few weeks ago and i'm in love with this phone. I have it on ATT in new york. Now i hate myself for not having any patience and now the newer model is out. A few questions now about the euro t8185 HD2 in america now that the t9193 is out.
1. Is the hardware the same as the original t8185?
2. Is the t8185 now able to be flashed with a new ROM enabling it to use 850mhz 3g/hspa in the u.s. i.e. 3g on att?
p.s. sorry if its a noob question, im new to the world of HTC and win mo, but i did not see any other articles regarding this situation. thanks for your help.
1) Yes, the hardware* is the same inside and out.
2) AFAIK, 3G radio is hardware dependent. You can flash all the different radios you want, but unless the hardware has that specific frequency, you wont be getting any 850mhz 3G. Meaning, the Euro (t8185) version will not receive AT&T 3G/UMTS because it doesn't have the correct radio hardware.
* except for the radio.
doubledrake20 said:
I couldn't help myself and bought a new T8185 a few weeks ago and i'm in love with this phone. I have it on ATT in new york. Now i hate myself for not having any patience and now the newer model is out. A few questions now about the euro t8185 HD2 in america now that the t9193 is out.
1. Is the hardware the same as the original t8185?
2. Is the t8185 now able to be flashed with a new ROM enabling it to use 850mhz 3g/hspa in the u.s. i.e. 3g on att?
p.s. sorry if its a noob question, im new to the world of HTC and win mo, but i did not see any other articles regarding this situation. thanks for your help.
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1. NO
2. NO
Keep in mind:
t8185 designed for EU market but compatible gsm with usa ATT for partial functionality.
t9193 designed for AU/Asian market but compatible gsm & maybe 3g WITH USA att, but ROM dependent to accomplish that. You won't get stable 3g WITH telstra rom, but need customized rom.
t9193 hardware is NOT compatible for T-Mobile, at least no released model I know of yet.
HTC HD2 coming to T-Mobile, supposedly in March 2010. (probably a different htc model number)
Rumors are HTC HD2 coming to Sprint ( possibly android os model) & Verizon (as wm os) sometime in future. att...who knows?
Radio rom upgrades can sometimes improve your experience, but only within the limits of your hardware.
ROM upgrades cannot change the hardware compatibitity for a given signal. You must change chip inside the device for that.
ROM upgardes or customizing rom can improve your experience with your given hardware signal compatibility. (e.g. bug fix that improves signal problem)
Hold on to your t8185 until usa versions of the htc HD2 hit the market. Then, you'll have options. (e.g. change phone or change providers or both)
If htc HD2 is really a big hit in usa, then expect most providers to have it or a hardware variation of it, later this year.
Hello Everyone,
Anyone know the model number for the USA T-Mobile Version?
Thank you ,
Monnie
thanks for the info devilduck, i can't switch contracts till mid 2011 so i really wanted 3g with my current provider, at&t. Guess i'll just have to switch to 9193 eventually.
And to monnie, i dont think they have the model number out just yet.
Hi,
I have an HTC Hero that I bought from TELUS. Its running on the American 3G Band. I unlocked it and am running it on a different carrier (Fido). My question is, when HTC comes out with 2.1 ROM for stock European versions on their site, can I use that on my current Hero and still have 3G?
Thanks for your replies everyone!
Yep, you should be fine. AFAIK, the only difference between the NA and EU versions of the GSM Hero is the radio frequency, which I'm pretty sure the OS is ignorant of.
If you want to be safe though, keep your eye on this:
http://www.htc.com/ca/support/hero-telus/downloads/
I don't foresee the European updates being released any earlier than the Telus update, unless there's some hangup to do with the Google Navigation localization.
I would personally wait for the Telus update myself. Or root your phone and start using custom ROMs. If you do that, I can guarantee you'll get the 2.1 update whenever HTC releases it for any GSM Hero.
Hey I appreciate that speedy and helpful response
I have already decided that this is the best replacement phone for my ageing P3600, but have a question for anyone who may already be using one on Australia's Telstra Next-G service...
Some news reports last month suggested that Telstra would be a launch partner for the device with HTC in Australia, but as yet there is no word from them officially about it. This would suggest that maybe they are in the process of tweaking (ie. bastardising) the UI with all the usual Telstra bloatware and just haven't got it finished yet. However, there are now no shortage of people selling them unlocked on Fleabay. Only problem is that some are careful to state that the device "may not be compatible with Telstra's Next-G network (HSDPA 850)"?!?
As far as I know Next-G is just Telstra's way of sexing up 3.5G. So is this just sellers trying to cover themselves or is there a real likeliness that the HD mini may actually need tweaking to work properly on that service?
OK - I have found out some info for those who may also be wondering...
Telstra modify all phones they sell in Australia to operate on HSPDA 850 instead of HSPDA 900. So no - that means an imported phone WILL NOT work on Telstra's Next-G service! In fact HTC on their own website show all phones available through Telstra as HSPDA 850, not HSPDA 900.
I purchased the HD Mini/Photon with Win 6.5 in the US 2 weeks ago and it's working fine! The phone was unlocked and listed as quad band..
Hi
I have recently purchased an HTC Wildfire A3335. For those of you don't know, this is a special version of the Wildfire which has a UMTS 850/2100 Radio. Anyway this phone seems only to be available heavily branded through an Australian operator, Telstra.
Due to the hideousness of the branding, I naturally wanted to get rid of it. This was pretty easy-- Cool-- I now have an unbranded wildfire A3335.
Now, when it was flashing (using an HTC RUU exe) I noticed that it was "Reflashing the radio". I freaked out. I know this phone has a special radio in it and of course the unbranded RUU is for the 900/2100 UMTS version (A3333).
So as expected the phone has lost its very special 850MHz UMTS and now only works at 2100MHz (I doubt the phone has suddenly gained the ability to use 900MHz UMTS as it has the wrong chips in it)
The Radio image for this phone is available inside the Telstra RUU on shipped-roms.
My question. Is it possible to extract the radio image out of that and flash it in with the rest of the unbranded system? And hopefully get my 850MHz UMTS back. Currently it appears that the answer to this is no due to the lack of signing?
Current HBOOT: 0.80-0007
Current ROM HTC Standard (Eclair 2.1) 1.37
You can't lose or gain any frequencies by flashing the radio, it's in the hardware...
OK firstly, I did lose 850MHz when flashing the standard image on, so you definitely can lose (but never gain)
The Radio PHY in the phone will be split into two parts, the 2100MHz part and the 850MHz part (or a 900MHz part).
So on the normal wildfire radio image, there's a driver which is likely compiled to drive a 2100/900 radio, and when we run that image on the 2100/850 phone, 2100 remains working because this part of the chip is identical. The 850MHz part dies completely because this driver is not expecting it.
I know how lazy microcode developers are - it's very rare for anyone to go to the effort to make microcode images to support two subtley different chips, instead they will compile two versions of the microcode with subtle changes for each one. Only one bit in a register need be set wrong and the whole lot comes crashing down!
Now there could be a scenario where the radio is a 100% hardware solution, and there is no microcode for the UMTS radio, in which case there's a better chance that having the wrong radio image is not an issue, as the chips themselves are more autonomous. But then - What does the radio image do? In my experience of working with 802.11 Radio PHYs: Not likely. These chips are almost always highly software driven and must be running the correct code to fully function.
Okay so it looks like I just became the "expert" on this one and can now answer my own question.
It is possible to restore the original Telstra radio image, without rebranding the phone using the Telstra RUU.
This is what I did:
1) Download Telstra RUU from shipped-roms
2) Extract radio.img using this process: http://lukasz.szmit.eu/2010/04/extracting-rom-files-from-htc-android.html
3) Repacked radio.img into an update.zip
4) Signed update.zip using http://android.modaco.com/content/software/313829/pc-tool-zip-signer-v1-1/#entry1348449
5) Manually added com/google/android directory into META-INF directory in ZIP file (Copied from someone else's radio image.
6) Flashed image using clockworkmod "update sdcard" menu (unrevoked had already installed clockworkmod)
Done! I've got my 850MHz back again!
I've included the update.zip with the Telstra wildfire radio image here: http://xpander.inaxeon.com/data/files/update.zip
It's interesting looking around the various forums, I think a lot of people have been willy nilly flashing the wrong radios onto their special 850MHz devices then not fully understanding why their phones are without 3G coverage a lot of the time. Oops!
Interesting, last time I checked the radios were identical. I must have missed something. I'll try cross flashing the Telstra A3335 radio on the 900/2100mhz A3333 and see what happens, 3G up here in Canada runs on 850/1900, getting 3G on one of the 2 bands would be nice.
Edit: It's the same as the other radio of the same version 13.45.55.24/3.35.15.31 , did a checksum against the HK_CHT one (cid HTC__622, a A3333)
Maybe the "H" in the version have something to do with the frequencies? ie: Radio_13.55.55.24H_3.35.20.10 from the Froyo WWE rom.
Did you not read my second message!
Unless you have an A3335 flashing the Telstra radio is going to make your phone even worse!
The full solution for 850MHz UMTS requires:
A) The right hardware: (Wildfire A3335)
B) With the right software: The Telstra "Radio_13.45.55.24_3.35.15.31" is currently the only radio image in existance which can correctly drive the A3335, and in no circumstances should be flashed on anything other than the A3335!
Likewise - If you have an A3333
Do not flash the Telstra radio image on it, as it is the wrong code. You'll end up losing your 900MHz UMTS in the process (OK so that doesn't matter too much in Canada)
To say it even simpler:
Every radio image except Telstra is OK for use on the A3333
The A3335 must be running the Telstra radio image
Telstra Radio_13.45.55.24_3.35.15.31 is a special piece of software for a special piece of hardware!
EDIT: Kwen has checksumed the A3333 and A3335 images of Radio_13.45.55.24_3.35.15.31 and found them to be identical. This confirms that this paticular version supports both 850/2100 and 900/2100 phones, whilist newer versions do not. See more recent posts.
i have a telstra wildfire which i have wildpuzzle v.08 running on, with putting a new rom on i would presume i have a different radio, am i correct. yet i can get 3g and wcdma/hsdpa no problems. or am i confusing myself
Thanks for this. I'm going to keep the update.zip safe just incase.
I've just imported an A3335 to use on the Telecom XT network here in NZ and I just flashed it with DK's rom (shame that I'm still stuck with the Telstra splash screen).
Although 850MHz is the primary band Telecom uses for their network they also have 2100MHz fallback in my location, so I'm not 100% sure what band the phone is running on.
Is there a service menu or an app on the marketplace I can use to check the band for peace of mind?
Thanks again.
inaxeon said:
Did you not read my second message!
Unless you have an A3335 flashing the Telstra radio is going to make your phone even worse!
The full solution for 850MHz UMTS requires:
A) The right hardware: (Wildfire A3335)
B) With the right software: The Telstra "Radio_13.45.55.24_3.35.15.31" is currently the only radio image in existance which can correctly drive the A3335, and in no circumstances should be flashed on anything other than the A3335!
Likewise - If you have an A3333
Do not flash the Telstra radio image on it, as it is the wrong code. You'll end up losing your 900MHz UMTS in the process (OK so that doesn't matter too much in Canada)
To say it even simpler:
Every radio image except Telstra is OK for use on the A3333
The A3335 must be running the Telstra radio image
Telstra Radio_13.45.55.24_3.35.15.31 is a special piece of software for a special piece of hardware!
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It made no difference, couldn't tell if I lost the 900Mhz, couldn't get the 850Mhz for sure.
I tried playing in the Field test menu to switch between GSM Only to WCDMA Prefered/Only and the Band selection menu and completly lost access to GSM, it was stuck on WCDMA Only, had to do a nand restore (nothing to do with the radio version)
I'm not sure if the Radio_13.45.55.24_3.35.15.31 is exclusive to the A3335, most of the roms uses it:
Vodafone SPA
H3G ITA
HTC WWE
HTC Asia India
HTC Asia WWE
HTC Asia HK CHT (that's my phone and it'ss a A3333)
H3G UK
HTC Asia TW
HTC FRA Bouygues
HTC WWE Tesco
Vodafone DE
How did you find out which band your Wildfire was using? (or did you just not have any signal?)
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How did you find out which band your Wildfire was using? (or did you just not have any signal?)
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Pretty easy. My operator has no GSM (at all) or 2100MHz sites where this phone is most commonly used. When the alternate radio was flashed on, the phone flat out lost all connectivity to the network. It only returned when the phone was driven to a place known to have 2100MHz coverage. That was a pretty damning and poignant confirmation.
About the versions of the Radio, When I was first considering flashing the RUU I had already been concerned about the radio image and checked the version. I saw that it was used in other A3333 targetted images so assumed that the radio images were not phone specific. Turns out I was wrong.
What would be interesting is to checksum compare Radio_13.45.55.24_3.35.15.31 from Telstra vs. other images. If they are identical, then we know that this particular version supports both style of radios, in which case it is safe for both versions. The reason I've always been qualifying that version "Telstra" is in the fear that they are different despite the identical version number.
Short of actually being a hard core hacker or HTC engineer, It's a bit hard to tell really. All one can really do is share their experiences.
I can confirm thier identical checksum (I checked against another one - not all the versions lol)
another special version of the WF
Hey man, I have a wildfire which runs on these frequencies GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz and HSPA/WCDMA 850/1900 MHz.
I was going to flash a stock RUU till I read your post, so I wanted to thank you for saving my precious 3g!
juanchotolas said:
Hey man, I have a wildfire which runs on these frequencies GSM/GPRS/EDGE: 850/900/1800/1900 MHz and HSPA/WCDMA 850/1900 MHz.
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What the heck model is that!
I understand HTC may have a provision for 850/1900 (Model A3334) But as far as I knew that never went into production due to lack of interest from operators. Or is this a fruity variant of one of the new Wildfire S models?
EDIT: As bought to my attention by juanchotolas - it appears that the 850/1900 A3334? (Awaiting confirmation of the exact model number) may exist after all. It leads a low key existance in Latin America sold under an obfuscated difficult-to-google-for name. It's called "Desire A" but it's really a Wildfire. Here's the little beasty: http://www.htc.com/la/product/htc-desire-a/overview.html
fahrenheit451 said:
Thanks for this. I'm going to keep the update.zip safe just incase.
I've just imported an A3335 to use on the Telecom XT network here in NZ and I just flashed it with DK's rom (shame that I'm still stuck with the Telstra splash screen).
Although 850MHz is the primary band Telecom uses for their network they also have 2100MHz fallback in my location, so I'm not 100% sure what band the phone is running on.
Is there a service menu or an app on the marketplace I can use to check the band for peace of mind?
Thanks again.
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I've spent many an hour searching for such an application and one does not seem to exist. Post one here if you find one.
The phone I've been working on was a present for my sister is also used on Telecom XT, I bought it due to the spectacularly average range of phones available at the time through Leading Edge, hence my burning desire to remove the Telstra branding.
You can imagine how incredibly silly I felt when it arrived, she powered it up and it couldn't connect to XT. The thing that's made it extra frustrating is that I live in the UK and was originally working on the phone from here. The UK only has 2100MHz UMTS so couldn't test properly before posting. I've had to do all of this reflashing over the phone and with remote access from the other side of the planet!
Anyway, If you flash the most recent 2.1 RUU (not 2.2) then reflash the radio I posted, you can achieve a fully unbranded A3335 on XT.
You're fortunate to have 850MHz UMTS over there, No one offers sub 1GHz 3G here and it stinks! I used XT for a few weeks while I was back for Xmas and it was an amazing service (If you can get over the cost). You can't have service like that on any network here. Green with envy.
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I've spent many an hour searching for such an application and one does not seem to exist. Post one here if you find one.
The phone I've been working on was a present for my sister is also used on Telecom XT, I bought it due to the spectacularly average range of phones available at the time through Leading Edge, hence my burning desire to remove the Telstra branding.
You can imagine how incredibly silly I felt when it arrived, she powered it up and it couldn't connect to XT. The thing that's made it extra frustrating is that I live in the UK and was originally working on the phone from here. The UK *only* has 2100MHz UMTS so couldn't test properly before posting. I've had to do all of this reflashing over the phone and with remote access from the other side of the planet!
Anyway, If you flash the most recent 2.1 RUU (not 2.2) then reflash the radio I posted, you can achieve a fully unbranded A3335 on XT.
You're fortunate to have 850MHz UMTS over there, No one offers sub 1GHz 3G here and it stinks! I used XT for a few weeks while I was back for Xmas and it was an amazing service (If you can get over the cost). You can't have service like that on any network here. Green with envy.
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I was attracted to DK's rom because he made mention that the radio was left untouched (or optional to flash). So I'm fairly certain I'm running the original Telstra radio. I just can't be certain.
Would like to flash the 2.1 RUU and then back to DK again to get rid of the splash screen but for me, all that risk isn't worth the vanity. Like you, the phone isn't mine. It was bought for someone else but I'm responsible for its up-keep.
fahrenheit451 said:
I was attracted to DK's rom because he made mention that the radio was left untouched (or optional to flash). So I'm fairly certain I'm running the original Telstra radio. I just can't be certain.
Would like to flash the 2.1 RUU and then back to DK again to get rid of the splash screen but for me, all that risk isn't worth the vanity. Like you, the phone isn't mine. It was bought for someone else but I'm responsible for its up-keep.
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I'm all about the vanity! I even replaced its plasticwork to remove the logos from the case and posted it in a London issue Wildfire box (had one spare). There is not a single Telstra logo anywhere on this puppy! I think I'd be pretty comfortable in assuming that it's the only fully software/physically unbranded unit in the country- pretty satisfied with that!
The ROM and the Radio are two different components. You should never overwrite a radio by flashing just a ROM.
There's only two (maybe 3) ways you'll ever end up overwriting the Radio on an HTC phone:
1) Flashing an HTC RUU
2) Explicitly flashing a radio update with Clockworkmod.
3) It is theoretically possible for ROMs to include Radio updates but I've never seen a third party ROM contain a radio image. With maybe a small number of exceptions, ROM developers generally aren't going to risk deploying radios with their releases.
Of course you can easily find out by examining the contents of the META-INF/com/google/android/update-script file in the ZIP archive. If there's any mention of "Radio" in there then avoid it on exotic models like A3335
-strike off. the radio build might be different - there might be radios with partial coverage-
inaxeon said:
What the heck model is that!
I understand HTC may have a provision for 850/1900 (Model A3334) But as far as I knew that never went into production due to lack of interest from operators. Or is this a fruity variant of one of the new Wildfire S models?
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This is the "Latin-american" Wildfire it is called Desire A (but we know it's a wildfire...) Here is the translated link so you can check it out http://translate.google.com/transla...la/product/htc-desire-a/overview.html&act=url
juanchotolas said:
This is the "Latin-american" Wildfire it is called Desire A (but we know it's a wildfire...) Here is the translated link so you can check it out http://translate.google.com/transla...la/product/htc-desire-a/overview.html&act=url
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850/1900, those are freq used in Canada!
Here's the Mexican carrier's page:
http://www.iusacell.com.mx/New_Site/Equipos/
inaxeon said:
You're fortunate to have 850MHz UMTS over there, No one offers sub 1GHz 3G here and it stinks! I used XT for a few weeks while I was back for Xmas and it was an amazing service (If you can get over the cost). You can't have service like that on any network here. Green with envy.
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whats so special about sub ghz 3g? Anyway werent o2 meant to be starting to use 900 mhz
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