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Only HTC doesn't seem to unlock the hboot now!!
For those wondering here is a google translate version of the text on the page - that is why it is in bad english
Sony Ericsson last month promotional offer for mobile phone unlocking Bootloader, as it were the entire mobile phone industry has some new territory like. Samsung announced soon also Twitter 『If Google does not oppose, they will also unlock the phone Bootloader』. Motorola has been silent today audible.
Motorola promised by the end of this year's Android device for its offer unlocking services, users can own brush from a ROM.
Now even unlock a Motorola also provides that only four brands in the Android HTC did not respond due to the unknown when it said it will adhere or surrender it.
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Sounds like HTC made no commnet
So I would say this article is one way or another. Plus maybe something is lost in that translation a little.
HTC, to this point, seems pretty good with being unlocked. I've had my Evolution now since it came out and its fully customized. The new Evolution after it also looks that way. I really thing, aside from Motorola, that the carriers may start being he ones to ask to lock or unlock he bootloaders. ISPs in the US finally out caps on bandwidth last year, I would see locked bootloaders being next. Really time will only tell, but hopefully we get to keep our freedoms. The FCC approved a device is ours when we buy it, therefore we should be able to do what we want. Hopefully companies keep that in mind instead of trying to lock stuff down.
The big business rreason is that an unlocked device lets a user stay with that device longer, as it can be customized wig the latest software features. Unlocked devices really force companies to invest in research to give us better hardware now, costing them more money. As anyway can really developed the software that goes into the phones.
My thoughts anyway...
~Max
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I will be receiving a Play from someone who received the device at the Google I/O conference, and it is confirmed that it is the R800a variant. I would assume that it's unlocked and unbranded, so I was curious if anyone who has one can share if they've received any SW updates for the phone. Will the phone receive the same updates as the other variants being offered around the world?
Also, the phone hasn't officially been offered here in the states outside of Verizon, so, has anyone with this phone been able to connect to the store to purchase games and the like (PS1 titles, etc)?
Thanks-
i have a white r800a and i was able to update soon as i open the box. also i am using tmobile service on mine
Frizzal said:
i have a white r800a and i was able to update soon as i open the box. also i am using tmobile service on mine
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Thanks for the input. Any trouble accessing the store or the like?
I've had my white unlocked/unbranded R800a since May 9th (pre-Google I/O dev freebie) and no problems accessing the Android Market or using the Xperia Play launcher app to get new market games. The one thing not working is the search function in the PlayStation Pocket app. Crash Bandicoot is in there, but when I click search it says "This service is not available in your country/region.". I haven't even honestly used it until today to check since I primarily use emulators.
I'm on AT&T.
So far I'm on 2.3.2 but I'm not sure how many people have 2.3.3 yet. Gingerbreak does work great though
axiomjunglist said:
I'm not sure how many people have 2.3.3 yet. Gingerbreak does work great though
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Hmmm Weird I always had 2.3.3 but I never had the facebook thing.
axiomjunglist said:
I've had my white unlocked/unbranded R800a since May 9th (pre-Google I/O dev freebie) and no problems accessing the Android Market or using the Xperia Play launcher app to get new market games. The one thing not working is the search function in the PlayStation Pocket app. Crash Bandicoot is in there, but when I click search it says "This service is not available in your country/region.". I haven't even honestly used it until today to check since I primarily use emulators.
I'm on AT&T.
So far I'm on 2.3.2 but I'm not sure how many people have 2.3.3 yet. Gingerbreak does work great though
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Yeah, it seems like R800As can't access the market to buy more PS1 titles, and I'm also on 2.3.2...
I use Snes9x, but what other emulators would you recommend that are free and work well?
Also (hang with me as this is my first Android device), what are the best, free, file manager, battery indicator, and RAM monitor?
Thanks!
I've got one of these too. It's Android 2.3.2 and both OTA and PC Companion say it's up to date. I can access the Market, but PSOne titles aren't on there. I tried looking at the Android Market website and found some of the games, but they all say "Europe Limited" on them. Is it possible it might be that Sony hasn't gotten around to making them available in other regions yet?
"Yeah, it seems like R800As can't access the market to buy more PS1 titles, and I'm also on 2.3.2..."
Mine can. I live in Canada but I still haven't seen an update yet. Still on 2.3.2
I have the pocket app and it has about 5 PSX titles. I picked up Medievil, good game!
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"Yeah, it seems like R800As can't access the market to buy more PS1 titles, and I'm also on 2.3.2..."
Mine can. I live in Canada but I still haven't seen an update yet. Still on 2.3.2
I have the pocket app and it has about 5 PSX titles. I picked up Medievil, good game!
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Well it sounds like it works in Canada, then. I'm in the United States and clicked the search button in the PlayStation Pocket app and it told me "This service is not available in your country/region." I'm curious if the Verizon R800x version says the same thing?
It's so stupid how they are making so many versions of this phone and the FW.
I watched a Youtube review and the guy said there was to processors, one for the phone and one for the games. He also said the camera had a smile detection feature. Is this guy BS or did he have a pre release one that was different?
Well there are not that great anyway. Maybe they will give you access when there are better games on there. You’re not missing much. Cool boarders 2, MediEvil, Rally Cross, syphon Filter and wild Arms. Also Backstab HD shows up in my pocket app.
It is the only Gameloft game that does. Also most gameloft games I have purchased do not even show in my playstaion xperia app.
It seems they have bugs to work out for sure.
Sounds like BS to me. I've seen a lot of misinformation thanks to people who have no idea about what they're talking about.
I thought so too.
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Well there are not that great anyway. Maybe they will give you access when there are better games on there. You’re not missing much. Cool boarders 2, MediEvil, Rally Cross, syphon Filter and wild Arms. Also Backstab HD shows up in my pocket app.
It is the only Gameloft game that does. Also most gameloft games I have purchased do not even show in my playstaion xperia app.
It seems they have bugs to work out for sure.
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Well, I probably wouldn't ever actually buy a game from the market, rather, I just wanted to know if we would be treated like second class phone-users here in the states. Unless we go Apple, we always get the shaft with devices, FW updates, services, etc.
No ps1 titles here either, same message. But, uh, getting back to the original topic, what's the update path for these things?
Now that 2.3.3 is rolling out all around I figured I'd pop over to the dev section and flash myself an update. I hadn't realised that the US R800a was going to be this odd minority device without the plethora of pre-rooted images floating around like the other alphabet suffixes. Surely, giving these out to developers at a conference, they would've expected us to root these things (I sometimes forget that there's folks out there who actually get their android updates "over the air").
Anyone know how compatible these are with the canadian R800a phones (I'm presuming most of the region specific restrictions are keying off the sim card)?
For that matter, how much actual difference is there (aside from the radios) between the other letter variants?
This is a little premature on my part, but I'm starting to worry we may have dead-end devices.
Don't feel bad. The US usually gets things before us Canadians.
I was shocked to see Canada get this phone before the US.
Anyone who has an unlocked, unbranded R800a get 2.3.3 officially yet?
This is not an official update but is now officially a confirmed working method for updating to 2.3.3 with root for R800a dev units on AT&T. Furthermore, it should work in any region... for those not in the states. And, no bootloader unlocking required!
Cheers and thanks to emann56 and Willis111 (be sure to thank them):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1116090
Using the stock Rogers firmware I saw no update to 2.3.3, but after I installed the stock uk firmware I saw an update right away. Of course I used Gingerbreak first
Here is the article
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE79Q19J20111027?irpc=932
All I can hope is that Sony changes their policy towards software mods. As things stand now opening the bootloader locks you out of Sony's added value. Maybe they'll fully obstruct tinkering like they did with the older Xperia phones... At any rate, these aren't great news a priori.
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All I can hope is that Sony changes their policy towards software mods. As things stand now opening the bootloader locks you out of Sony's added value. Maybe they'll fully obstruct tinkering like they did with the older Xperia phones... At any rate, these aren't great news a priori.
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software mods ONLY for Phones! i DONT support on consoles!
What's the difference? Now with ics you will be able to plug a gamepad to a phone, dock it if it has hdmi out and it will be a console.
Will you then applaud that Sony or anyone else locks out software modding? It is the only coherent stance you can take.
I doubt they will do that on their phones.. More restrictions will only scare people from buying a sony product. They don't have the market shares to play around with restrictive measures.
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What's the difference? Now with ics you will be able to plug a gamepad to a phone, dock it if it has hdmi out and it will be a console.
Will you then applaud that Sony or anyone else locks out software modding? It is the only coherent stance you can take.
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Ofcourse theres a diffrence, the only reason to mod a console is to steal games. Sony arnt against software mods. There against piracy.
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If they're really against piracy, it's hard to understand why they would go with Android, which is the platform which makes it easiest to use cracked software on. Mind you, the thing which has locked me out of using Sony's goodies is not that I've played cracked games, which is something any Android owner can do without modifying anything. What locked me out of them was unlocking the bootloader in their sponsored way.
If they use their DRM on the PS Store as I am dreading they will do, the paradox will be greater: someone can buy the phone on subsidised contract, unlock the phone's bootloader (and the Sim lock with it, remember) with 3rd party software, play cracked games and still have access to every added value offered by Sony (TrackID, the stores, the music Like function, and probably the PS Store). Meanwhile, I, who bought the phone Sim free (and paid full value for it), unlocked the bootloader with Sony's method and don't play cracked games, am excluded of all that.
Piracy is not an issue. Control is. Unlocking the bootloader and rooting the phone makes the phone mine and not theirs... Exactly what Sony is so intent on avoiding on PS3.
Please help me in this. i need root apps and unlocking . coz i have no money etc ..... i need to root my device and want to install cm 12 on my device ....
Um... So do I. Do the research yourself, and spend time. This is so spam-like, and the research is ridiculous.
Yup.... Why motorola is treating customer like this. We paid u n that's it. I think they should provide unlock code for Droid mini as they do for others.
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Well, a few things. First off, if you are on android 4.4.4, there is no unlock for your bootloader. Next, there is a "free" rooting method, but based on what you have said thus far, I am going to go ahead and recommend against it. Motorola absolutely *SHOULD* provide bootloader unlock codes for any user not on contract, that wants one. The reason they do not is their agreement with Verizon Wireless stating specifically that they will not give unlock codes for Verizon devices that are not Developer Editions. Motorola phones that are supported are hard to come by, especially if you are a Verizon customer.
Personally, if your Mini is in good shape, (no scratches, dings, etc) i would sell it and hunt out another Mini or a Maxx on 4.4 on Ebay. (i have now done this successfully with a Mini and a Maxx) then you can (yeah, i know you don't like this part) pay $25 to get Sunshine to unlock the bootloader. Maybe that sounds like a lot of $$ for what it is. What i can say is a Dev edition of the Maxx (i know, i had a real one) is about $680 new. The retail version of the same phone was $550 or so. Even buying the phone from Motorola, you still paid more for Bootloader Unlock. I am old enough in the Android community to remember guys like Dan Rosenburg that never asked for $$, (or if you were insistant on paying, he asked you make a donation to charity), and also rooted every other device I have owned before the Mini for free. That used to be how it worked. Now, the only people interested are professionals who are literally spending time and money to find and utilize exploits. If you are really new, you should read up on security vulnerabilities, the qfuse system, and read up on the Azimuth Security blog and see what exactly was involved in the last run of bootloader unlocks. it isn't just someone playing code monkey and making a script. it is bricking (sometimes beyond all repair) $300-600 devices in an effort to make an unlock that might yield the money invested back.
As you said, and I live at the moment, you do not have money. This, my friend, sucks. I can say that in order to invest in my android devices, i have sold other things i cared about less (rare vinyls, extra devices, etc.) The reality is, $25 is not very hard to come up with if you are determined. Principally, at first glance, i disagreed with the premise of paying for what i feel should be an inherent feature of any android device, but when Motorola themselves say nothing will change the policy, I would much rather pay the money and know i am unlocked. google #unlockthedroids and you will see my names (kitcostantino, medicbeard, etc) a time or two...believe me i have tried. Motorola sells a crapload of devices to Verizon. Unfortunately, that means that Verizon (and also ATT) have too much clout and control over the Moto devices they sell for use on their networks.
The reality is, in the forseeable future, there will be less and less opportunity to unlock a retail device that is not a developer or pure edition. Security software checks and hardware gets better and better. the Devs that get through have a harder and harder time, and the knowledge is becoming more and more specific. I actually messaged DjrBliss on Hangouts to ask if he had any plans to work on the Turbo bl and he told me it was a stressful part of his life he was glad to be past. Honestly, he was so completely nice and cool about a total stranger contacting him, it blew me away. One of the most amazing exploit creators with ZERO pretentiousness, totally chill, and glad to talk to a fan (i have used his exploits on many of my phones). With dudes that capable not wanting to invest their time and efforts, we are left with mostly security experts to find our unlocks.(who can potentially make a crapload of money with their time and skillsets). Is $25 a lot compared to what these guys could be making? nope. but in all honesty, as I am inclined to do myself, I suggest you read up on anything Motorola related with regard to Qfuse, security checks, etc. The new age of exploits is upon us. The end user is going to have to be far more intelligent and far more comfortable doing things themselves to have control over their devices. In a way, it is a good thing because users that cannot do anything without a one-click or an app will be weeded out. In another way, it is horrible for android development, because those that do not have time, nor money to invest will get lost in the shuffle if they cannot buy a dev or unlockable device. I wish you the best man.
Can you guys learn to help instead of standing here complaining? For example, learn to deal with the All-PKG QHSUSB-DLOAD, download crap, be fearless and flash onto your device....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=KyDnN3_hAmA
do u have root for 4.4.4?
do u have root for 4.4.4?
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do u have root for 4.4.4?
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Yes.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=60085162
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kaifkhan15 said:
do u have root for 4.4.4?
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I use Kingroot to get my phone rooted. However, I failed to install TWRP by Flashify.
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I use Kingroot to get my phone rooted. However, I failed to install TWRP by Flashify.
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You rooted your phone but your phone's bootloader was still locked.
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You rooted your phone but your phone's bootloader was still locked.
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Im pretty sure he has an unlocked bootloader and then used kingoroot to Root.
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Hello, is it possible to get root for Droid mini with SU 6-7.7 somehow?
not as far as i know. not wp off full root at the very least. i have two droid maxx stuck on that same firmware with some success with temp root with kingroot, but reboot kills it. the newest firmware doesn't even do that.
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Nothing is updating.
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I know its too early but what do you guys this about rooting/custom roms for venice?
BB ceo said (something along the lines) that they will only make an android device if it is secured enough. WOuld that mean a locked bootloader etc? Moreover, it is using a much more secure kernel (http://berryflow.com/2015/09/blackberrys-android-slider-using-hardened-linux-kernel/) and i've read that some beginner's tools (eg enabling developer's options, sideloading apps etc) are blocked.
So what do you guys think? As for me, I believe in this community and i know one way or another, we will be able to install our favourite custom roms/apps on venice. Although I dont know if it would happen 2 days after launch of 2 years after the device reaches the market!
Btw cant wait for the device! I hope blackberry becomes a force again after this phone. I'll buy it the day it's bootloader gets unlocked + root is acheived
Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.
I can't see things like developer options/USB debugging etc being outright blocked. That just seems like a great way to alienate the majority of the userbase that a device like this is targeted towards.
This is my main concern... I want this phone, badly. But after having a G4, having to wait for root and still not having any decent roms I won't get the Priv if it doesn't at least get root. It's stock-ish android so I can deal with lack of roms but no root, no sale.
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No idea why anyone here thinks they would do that. Even on BB10 devices installing apks is allowed - and they sure wouldn´t do otherwise on an Android device - that would be crazy.
and yes, bl will be locked and encrypted - root - well that will be something to wait for.
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Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.
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Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.
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sorry I cant give you a source. I read this on reditt or a blog post
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Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.
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hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!
Zer0.exe said:
Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!
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Link?
HyperM3 said:
Link?
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http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.
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http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.
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Thanks for that! I am really looking forward to this device. Im all or nothing on this with my Nexus 6 right now.
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hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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there must be some poor phone that didn't get a bootloader unlock, and I firmly believe the Priv is gonna join their ranks as soon as it gets released.
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btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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Look at the recent crop of AT&T and Verizon Samsung phones. Their bootloader are locked up tighter then...... Well we will just say their locked down [emoji1]
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http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...aked-hands-on-photos-plus-official-images.jpg In fact, this image outright confirms that you can sideload/ use developer options.
I wouldn't count on too much. The developer options could have easily been changed and some removed. As BB main selling point is security I expect this device to be one of the harder ones to crack.
As for the bootloader questions. Yes there have been a few that were uncrackable, a dirty hack to by pass has worked on some.
I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.
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I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.
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The efuze us still used in many devices and if I know blackberry they will have it check against its servers for security. Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers. Remember everything is routed through Blackberrys servers in Canada so if their servers go do so does the device.
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Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers.
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I would be completely fine with them locking out the BB services when root is discovered. But locking down the hardware would be overstepping their bounds. It's our hardware, not theirs. I know that doesn't mean they couldn't still do it, I just think it would be a jerk move.
It would be like if Microsoft bricked xbox machines that have been modded. They don't, they just ban you from XBox Live if they detect it. I think it should be the same approach.
Yes but even MS has locked the bootloader on Many of their 32 bit machines now. Also I have a link that you might want to read where is passed then modding our devices at all will become illegal.
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp