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Long time WM user thinking of jumping to Android, looking at Milestone & Nexus...

As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA)
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?

BoostedSR20 said:
As you can see from my sig, I've been using HTC WM devices for a long time. I really like my TP2, but I feel like there is better out there. Over the past couple months, I tried a G1 (loved android, but thought the phone was too outdated) and a Nokia N97. (awesome phone, horrible OS) I've also tried Android on my Fuze, and now on the Tilt 2.
I've also always had a hard keyboard, and can't see my self using a soft one. I've tried typing on my GF's iphone (great phone, awesome for her, but I hate em)and I do ok, but its nothing like a hard keyboard.
I am only really looking at the milestone because of the keyboard, but its getting some pretty lame reviews, I'm sure its not near as good as my TP2.
One of my huge gripes with these phones has always been lag, and slowdown/freezing. So I'm really leaning towards the Nexus. I'm just worried about having no keyboard. Also, it looks like the Nexus can be (or will soon be able to) flashed with custom ROMS. (which is why I love WM, HTC, and XDA.
So I'm on the fence about switching to Android. And I'm 80% nexus and 20% Milestone. Opinions? Has anyone here gone to Android from WM? Are you happy? Regrets? Will I miss my keyboard? Will I be cool with Android?
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Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!

MCreane said:
Hey, I recently switched from my fuze running energyrom 6.5 to a Nexus One and have NO regrets at all. The phone does everything my Fuze did and more, both faster, smoother, and sexier. It really is an amazing device. Good luck with your choice!
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Thanx for the reply... one question. What about the keyboard? The keyboard on the Fuze was pretty good, and now your typing on a screen. Was it an easy transition?

the milestone HW keyboard sucks from what i've heard. definatly go with the nexus one.

just went to my local Best Buy to checkout a Droid, but they dont have any Verizons phones there. My nearest Verizon dealer is over 20 miles away, dunno if I wanna go that far just to play with a Droid...

I recently switched from my WM devices to a Nexus One and it's been very exciting. The phone does everything, easy transition, faster cpu, smoother, endless customizing, and the virtual KB is cool (once u get use to it).

I went from a sidekick to winmo(MDA - custom roms) for a couple of years to my G1 when that came out, I am a hard keyboard fanatic. So the MyTouch I got I was sure I would hate, I have 2 lines and while I still used my G1 as my main line I started to get used to the soft keyboard. Then came my decision of Droid vs Nexus or wait, I thought about waiting to see when/if they would release a version of the Nexus One with keyboard but then I decided to just buy it and worse case if they come out with one then I'll just sell it and buy that I guess. But i dont really have any complaints, the soft keyboard is actually pretty decent in landscape mode you really get used to it after a bit. In my opinion the minor concern of the keyboard is far outweighed by its overall performance. If they came out with a keyboard version yes id sell this to buy that, i love hard keyboards. However I would rather stay with this than have the droid. I think the droids pretty cool, 2 of my friends have it and I really like it but after using this beast I cant imagine using anything slower.

Well so far it seems the general consensus is I would get used to the soft keyboard, so I'm kinda over my fear of that. Now all thats left is my fear of leaving WM behind.
Also I forgot to mention, I'm on AT&T, so if I ditch my Tilt 2 for the Nexus, 3G is out the window. BUT, in my area I only ever usually see speeds around 400-600kbps, and Edge speeds of 200ish kbps. So I really wouldn't be losing all that much. I lived with it before when I had the G1, and my euro TP2. I have no idea when the evil empire (apple) will let att get any android phones, and I don't wanna wait.
Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)

I have a Fuze(and the hermes and kaiser previously) running the latest energyrom as well and my Nexus One will be here tomorrow. I'll report back after I play with it a bit. I can already tell ya that I'm bummed about the lack of BT voice dialing but I'm hoping they add it in future updates. I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
I also will be starting with the phone on ATT for a few days before I switch to tmobile. I'm hoping the 3g issue gets resolved on tmobile.
PS I like the screen name

zjchaser said:
I assume it will take abit to get used to the OSK, I've always told myself I need a physical keyboard so here goes nothing.
PS I like the screen name
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Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.

BoostedSR20 said:
Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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worthwhile upgrade. race, drag, or street app?

BoostedSR20 said:
Also, another thing. Email. I have an email addy with my ISP that I don't want to get rid of. Can you setup an email account (other than gmail) and have it check every couple of minutes? (like with WM)
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I am able set up my office email on my Magic so this should not be a problem.

i went from the dash (oldschool wm 2g phone) to the n1... wow what a difference, i feel like ive moved from the stone age straight into the iron age
i will admit i can type much faster on a physical keyboard but the softkeyboard is not bad, specially if you use landscape mode most of the time, i am ever improving... just takes getting used to

BoostedSR20 said:
Yea, thats me exactly.
And the SR20 came out last year, and the car is getting a 2JZ this year. Too bad I can't change my screen name.
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What car?
You'll need a decent intake mani for the 2J
Back to the OP, I heard that a hardware keyboard version is planned. Was mentioned by google I think.
Also, have you considered the xperia x10?
I'm going to wait and see how it turns out......

zjchaser said:
worthwhile upgrade. race, drag, or street app?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ozuL5ZHvo&feature=fvw

I'm almost ready to pull the trigger on the N1, just gonna see where this thread goes a little longer....

BoostedSR20 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJIulHcUTss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J7ozuL5ZHvo&feature=fvw
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Very Clean, I've always loved those cars. I'm only making ~270 at the wheels for now but it weighs under 1900
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jliRppFN0EE

Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?

a lot of ppl here went from a 500 mhz windows phone to a 1gz android phone so of course it will be worlds apart.
try winmo on a snapdragon phone (TG01, HTC HD2) and things become so much better. Well depends what's available where you are - in the UK we get a lot of the good phones 1st simply because we have a compatible network.
I of course think I'm somebody and use two phones - a TG01 and a G1 (soon will be a N1 owner). As to which one becomes my regular phone - likely be the android phone - while the TG01 will be relegated to my media player. There is still nothng out there that can compare to the media quality of a snapdragon WinMo phone - Coreplayer players divx/xvid , streams and plays more audio formats.
Android still lacks any decent video playback and still stuck in the .mp4/3gp world. (Yes I can't be bothered to convert my vid files - why should I?)
Of course I am waiting the day when there will be the all in one phone and checking out the highlights of CES 2010 3 phones stuck out (google these):
the new unnamed Samsung running android with exact same specs as the Nexus (and with possible divx/xvid playback!)
the new Lenovo phone - lePhone running android with attchable modular keyboard CPU unknown...
The new LG phone - which I think was snapdragon - with 4.5 inch screen? More a MID or tablet but pretty sweet...
Ok there was news that winmo7 is coming end of march too but no demos..maybe at the MWC next month..

BoostedSR20 said:
Another thing, I have a folder full of sound files I've made (in .mp3 form) that I use for things like my ringer, txt, e-mail, mms etc..
Is it possible to use .mp3's for notifications w/android?
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Yup... Make folder on the root drive as follows
media -> audio -> alarms
media -> audio -> notifications
media -> audio -> ringtones
If you put any mp3 on these folders, it will be alarms/notifications/ringtones respectively.
Also, they won't show up in the Music players if they're in these folders.

What next for mobile phones?

I was wondering yesterday where mobile phones can possible go next? Considering the specs of the HD2 with its GPS, internet browser, e-mail etc, I just don't see what they can possible come up with next.
Have we come to the end of the road with regards to feature sets or do you think we will see more exciting features?

Time travel - obviously!

OneGoodKnock said:
I was wondering yesterday where mobile phones can possible go next? Considering the specs of the HD2 with its GPS, internet browser, e-mail etc, I just don't see what they can possible come up with next.
Have we come to the end of the road with regards to feature sets or do you think we will see more exciting features?
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we may see a virtual phone ,or phones with sony 3d screens technology

They can refine everything. Faster internet browsing, better camera, longer battery life etc

Projectors built in... holographic ones that hover over your screen. Full desktop on it. 3D interaction.
I had the MyVu crystal projector glasses attached to my phone but they were a bit too gimmicky and I didn't really feel the supposed screen size.

there is no limit untill the end of the world

Pico-projectors... There are already phone with projectors built-in.

mdmhd2 said:
Pico-projectors... There are already phone with projectors built-in.
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a phone with lots of features that work perhaps??......no...that would just be stupid....

Make me my morning cuppa coffee..
.. wait, it already does.
Coffee App.

All I miss is well thought operating system which work efficiently and is stable.
Simply let's make a phone which has everything which works elsewhere.
HD2 does not have voice dialing, voice command is problematic, skype is problematic, skype video & video telephony non existent.
iPhone can't play AVIs. Android surely has something which does not work.
Also battery life .. big problem.
But all around .. things like HD2 can do almost anything.

battery life is the next challenge to all vendor

A phone with an electric razor, windows 7, 1TB capacity, 10GHz processor, 5GB RAM,
it unfolds a screen, and/or legs so it can be a robot and your companion...

What do you do with your EVO that you find "Really Cool."

I ask this question because I've run into a couple of apps that I just find really cool, apps that I look at and say "wow, that's awesome that I can do this with my phone."
One of them is PhoneMyPC, remote logging into my home computer ($10 app).
The other one is of course WiFi tether (either paid or rooted).
I also really dig FiOS Mobile apps. Two apps, one that allows you to monitor, schedule recordings, and delete recordings on my home DVR from anywhere. The other allows me to control my home DVR via wifi. Why is this cool? I ran a second cable from my DVR to my other TV, so now I can control it while the DVR is at the other end of the house, no need for an IR repeater! And I can screw with my wife while she's watching TV.
What have you found that has made you go "Damn, that's cool!"

Having trouble of thinking of things exclusive to my Evo...but I <3 Android:
Accessing a terabyte of video, music and pictures on my home server through Orb to the Evo is pretty awesome!
Real time video streaming to my Qik stream is very cool.
Real time monitoring of my OBDII stats on the phone through the torque app. I use an OBDII bluetooth module that I got for $30 from Hong Kong. The module is a permanent fixture in my S2000 (install and forget). Very useful if you are into hypermiling, shows current MPG, average MPG and every other stat your OBD sensors feed out.
Droidlive radio app has replaced the crappy Las Vegas radio stations we have out here. I stream this to my Sony Xplod deck's bluetooth.
Google Navigation is honestly the best thing ever. I have give a Garmin nav unit that I haven't used since I got 2.1 on my old Hero.
My girlfriend and I stalk each other with the Latitude app in Google maps. Fun and useful for seeing what your friends and family are up to.
Slingbox Mobile Player will be added to my favorite features this summer, full cable lineup on my phone!
Gmote allows me to use my phone as a track pad on my media server. Very useful and makes an awesome wireless mouse.

i didnt want the evo at first due to its size, i came from an htc diamond to this and what i loved about my diamond was its compact size.. well after getting the evo the size is one of the things that i love about this phone, not to mention not having a lag with finger swipes, everything is instant and precise.. i love this phone.. ANDROID ANDROID ANDROID!!! the apps that i use are as follows;
backgrounds: for some custom backgrounds
driodbox: for accessing my dropbox, like this better than the official dropbox app
camera zoom fx: neat little camera app
itrackmma: a must have for true mma fans, schedules and fightcards for events
jogtracker: creates a detail maps of my jogging speed and routes
listen: for listening to my podcasts
rootbooter: boots into recovery, but i still have to click the recovery files

danknee said:
Droidlive radio app has replaced the crappy Las Vegas radio stations we have out here. I stream this to my Sony Xplod deck's bluetooth.
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It's nice to know I'm not the only person who thinks the radio stations out here are dreadful.

danknee said:
[*]Droidlive radio app has replaced the crappy Las Vegas radio stations we have out here. I stream this to my Sony Xplod deck's bluetooth.
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Totally forgot you were moving here. How you fairing through the heat wave? And yeah, Vegas has THE WORST radio stations!
Classick206 said:
It's nice to know I'm not the only person who thinks the radio stations out here are dreadful.
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another Las Vegan? Seems like we are taking over XDA, lol.
IMO, one of the coolest things i can do on the phone is to have what the camera sees as my wallpaper. LWP FTW!!

Beyond the 'look' of the device, the sheer functionality, the fact that it does what I need it to do without lag...that is 'really cool'.
The EVO is what a smartphone is supposed to be.

danknee said:
[*]Real time monitoring of my OBDII stats on the phone through the torque app. I use an OBDII bluetooth module that I got for $30 from Hong Kong. The module is a permanent fixture in my S2000 (install and forget). Very useful if you are into hypermiling, shows current MPG, average MPG and every other stat your OBD sensors feed out.
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omg.... i did not know this exsisted!!!!! dude this is perfect for my turbo setup how fast is the realtime updating? now i dont have to carry my laptop with me lol

Negrito said:
Totally forgot you were moving here. How you fairing through the heat wave? And yeah, Vegas has THE WORST radio stations!
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HAHA yeah, vegas has some really crappy radio stations. I always just listened to NPR and my ex was always trying to find something to listen to because NPR was too 'boring', she never really found anything else.
I do like vegas's NPR station better then phoenix's.

I think the ability to video chat my mother who I haven't seen in years and lives in a different country is "really cool." (From the phone.)
Hi mom!

Playing highly polished games like Radiant on the Evo is nothing short of breathtaking. Once you've done that, there is no going back to a smaller device.

danknee said:
Having trouble of thinking of things exclusive to my Evo...but I <3 Android:
Accessing a terabyte of video, music and pictures on my home server through Orb to the Evo is pretty awesome!
Real time video streaming to my Qik stream is very cool.
Real time monitoring of my OBDII stats on the phone through the torque app. I use an OBDII bluetooth module that I got for $30 from Hong Kong. The module is a permanent fixture in my S2000 (install and forget). Very useful if you are into hypermiling, shows current MPG, average MPG and every other stat your OBD sensors feed out.
Droidlive radio app has replaced the crappy Las Vegas radio stations we have out here. I stream this to my Sony Xplod deck's bluetooth.
Google Navigation is honestly the best thing ever. I have give a Garmin nav unit that I haven't used since I got 2.1 on my old Hero.
My girlfriend and I stalk each other with the Latitude app in Google maps. Fun and useful for seeing what your friends and family are up to.
Slingbox Mobile Player will be added to my favorite features this summer, full cable lineup on my phone!
Gmote allows me to use my phone as a track pad on my media server. Very useful and makes an awesome wireless mouse.
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Where did you get this? That would be awesome.

Not all of these are uniquely EVO, but they are awesome none the less. (some are repeats too, but they amazed me)
Using the phone as a trackpad over wifi. Link
Google Voice Mail. The one thing I hated more than anything else over the past decade was checking voice mails. Now its a pleasure.
Latitude
Key Ring helped make my wallet thinner, in a good way. Less club cards to carry. Link
Keeping track of my cars gas mileage and service. Link
Being able to say out loud "Navigate to Frozen Yogurt" and being lead to the nearest place to kill my craving.
Mint is really handy and is already helping me save money. It is ALL your financial information in 1 place. Link
Google Translate is a lot of fun when you use a language it can actually speak back out loud. Link
For me the biggest deal is that this is the first time I have been able to browse the web on something other than a computer, and have it be enjoyable. The other night I sat in bed browsing for at least 1.5 hours completely comfortable. I would say its like 70% of the desktop experience, which is pretty good. Even on the HTC Incredible I found it a bit of a pain to browse. Love that 4.3" screen!

take 8 mp pics of my old PRE to post on craigslist ....

danknee said:
Having trouble of thinking of things exclusive to my Evo...but I <3 Android:
Accessing a terabyte of video, music and pictures on my home server through Orb to the Evo is pretty awesome!
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I'm using HomePipe. Like it better than Orb. Can use it to transfer any files, not just music/video/pics.

I think one of the coolest things is
Finding a song using shazam,
downloading the full song for free from MP3 download,
email it to someone else, or search for any video on youtube and download it directly to the phone.

Rhys'Droid said:
Where did you get this? That would be awesome.
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I wondered the same so I turned to my old friend, and yours, Google..
Here's what I found:
$40 - and this model ELM 327 is specifically mentioned on the software's webpage
http://www.easy-motorcycle.com/blue...r-can-bus-327-wireless-p-81.html?currency=USD
$55
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.16921

About the obdii adapter: It lagged about 2 milliseconds on my hero, I was testing it out with the Evo today and the lag was about 1 millisecond. I paid $30 for the bt obdii adapter on ebay including shipping.
The best app for it its torque, plus it is free. It even allows for resetting trouble codes.

Seriously the thing that is most incredible to me is being able to use Skype video call to people while walking around using my phone.
this phone does so much epic awesomeness.

Negrito said:
Totally forgot you were moving here. How you fairing through the heat wave?
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I'm not minding the heat at all, beats snow any day!

rljetsetradio said:
Seriously the thing that is most incredible to me is being able to use Skype video call to people while walking around using my phone.
this phone does so much epic awesomeness.
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Are you using Fring for that? I'd love a native Skype app.. Slingbox too!
My favorite app on the EVO so far has been Google Sky. It really uses all of the technology available to produce something so simple.

The #1 thing I love most about the Vibrant...

...Having bluetooth work like it should! I just came from a Mytouch 3G after a year to the Vibrant. The BT on the MT3G was utter garbage! I listen to podcasts all day while at work with my A2DP bluetooth and I couldn't set the phone down on my desk and walk 10 feet across the office without it choking, hiccuping or dropping my connection. At first I thought it was the earpiece so I returned the Jawbone Icon and bought the Blue Ant T-1. Same damn problem! I would walk with the phone in my hand and with every swing of my arm the sound would cut out. I practically had to hold the phone in the hand closest to the earpiece! My 5 year old Moto flip phone had better BT performance than the MT3G did. So once I got the Vibrant the first thing I did was try out the BT performance. Man, what a relief! They put a good radio in there! Now I can leave my phone in one room of the house, go downstairs and not have a single dropped connection or sound hiccup while playing audio.
Thanks Samsung!

The Bluetooth is utterly broken on my devices. It sucks in my car (5+ phone NEVER an issue). Glad yours is working, I am hoping moving to Froyo moving spec to 3.0 will resolve this. Bluetooth is my only complaint about the Vibrant.

While one rejoices, the other complains. Seriously I am starting to think Samsung customized each individual phone for purchase. At least that is what it seems like on these forums with all the conflicting reports.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

patriot1973 said:
...Having bluetooth work like it should! I just came from a Mytouch 3G after a year to the Vibrant. The BT on the MT3G was utter garbage! I listen to podcasts all day while at work with my A2DP bluetooth and I couldn't set the phone down on my desk and walk 10 feet across the office without it choking, hiccuping or dropping my connection. At first I thought it was the earpiece so I returned the Jawbone Icon and bought the Blue Ant T-1. Same damn problem! I would walk with the phone in my hand and with every swing of my arm the sound would cut out. I practically had to hold the phone in the hand closest to the earpiece! My 5 year old Moto flip phone had better BT performance than the MT3G did. So once I got the Vibrant the first thing I did was try out the BT performance. Man, what a relief! They put a good radio in there! Now I can leave my phone in one room of the house, go downstairs and not have a single dropped connection or sound hiccup while playing audio.
Thanks Samsung!
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i came from a moto cliq, and the bluetooth was worse then your mt3g. with the cliq the bluetooth would never stay connected. i always had to repair the headset with the phone every time i wanted to use it. now i can actually say that the bluetooth on the vibrant is so much better and it actually works

kangxi said:
While one rejoices, the other complains. Seriously I am starting to think Samsung customized each individual phone for purchase. At least that is what it seems like on these forums with all the conflicting reports.
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LOL. I'll take a Vibrant with a messed up GPS, BT, etc and a side order of slow RFS on the side, please. Please pull up to the next window...

epakrat75 said:
LOL. I'll take a Vibrant with a messed up GPS, BT, etc and a side order of slow RFS on the side, please. Please pull up to the next window...
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Does that come with a large NAND or will you charger me extra for that?

MTC44 said:
Does that come with a large NAND or will you charger me extra for that?
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That is include free of charge at random. And as part of our standard package you will get phone bricking OTA from our partner T-Mo Inc free of charge as well.
Sent from my SGH-T959 using XDA App

Also free of charge you can navigate to XDA dev section and load a custom ROM with the kernel and lag fix of your choice and have a smooth experience with your Vibrant.
DISCLAIMER: Support developers by clicking their "please donate" links.

Also free of charge, Nachos. Enjoy

epakrat75 said:
LOL. I'll take a Vibrant with a messed up GPS, BT, etc and a side order of slow RFS on the side, please. Please pull up to the next window...
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Would you like an extra large hardware lock with that, sir? For here or to go?

patriot1973 said:
Would you like an extra large hardware lock with that, sir? For here or to go?
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lastly would you like it bricked?

I love the display. With that said there's a whole list of things that I can name that I HATE about this phone. Mostly poor design aspects on the part of Samsung.
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I use napster, bluetoothed to my truck stereo most all of the time. I never drop audio, and I am sure signal drops to 1 bar in places.

For me that best thing is the Super AMOLED screen, many other phones had me thinking of selling vibrant but at the end is the screen I just can't give up. It's like once you see it you will never go back to any other crabs. The best screen ever.

Considering coming from MyTouch before Vibrant...speed/performance

kevoh said:
Considering coming from MyTouch before Vibrant...speed/performance
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I second that...

Coming from a Touch Pro 2 and an iPhone 3G I like the speed of the Vibrant, the display and am happy with the availability of apps for it. Rooted with the Mobile AP app installed is the frosting on my tasty cake!
I can live with GPS glitches (it's not perfect but it does get me from place to place), shorter battery life etc... The Vibrant isn't perfect but it does what I need it to do without complaining that I'm asking too much from it most of the time

lqaddict said:
Also free of charge you can navigate to XDA dev section and load a custom ROM with the kernel and lag fix of your choice and have a smooth experience with your Vibrant.
DISCLAIMER: Support developers by clicking their "please donate" links.
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if you choose to void your warranty and negate any possible future support (as if you'd get any anyway)
disclaimer: i am not against voiding my warranty (usually happens the day i get a phone), but this should be added for noobs.

[Q] Use fascinate w/o service as iPod Touch or sell? Case, ROMs, etc.?

I just upgraded to the Trophy and switched to WP7. Love it and not looking back. I miss the slightly bigger screen, a few free apps and google maps/directions, but other than that, WP7 is a winner for me.
Now, what should I do with my fascinate? Is it worth keeping as something like an iPod Touch? Or should I sell it off and just buy a dedicated camera plus mp3 player for that purpose? I'm assuming I could get at least $200 for this, which would get me a nice Rockbox player. I would get an iPod touch, but I'm very allergic to iTunes.
I'd like to use the fascinate (or something else) as an MP3 player and exercise tracker for the gym, offline map use with google maps and HTPC remote control. However, I'm worried because the battery life is utter crap. Is it still that way w/ the cellular radio turned off?
Now assuming I keep it and don't sell it there are some other questions. Which ROM would be best for my purposes? Assume all I need to do is underclock and Voodoo. Still Comm ROM?
Also, having trouble finding accessories. Is there a gym-appropriate case that works well for the gym? Something like a silicone bumper with armband, legband or beltclip/holster? Double duty for around the house would help.
Appreciate your opinions.

the Fascinate is a great music player if you install Voodoo Sound.

Id sell it and get an ipod touch
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I'm keeping mine and using it like an iPod when the GS2 comes to VZ. With voodoo sound, the audio output of the Fascinate is incredible to say the least. The GS2 apparently isn't near as good with audio, and I know sound quality is pretty crappy from iPods.

Why use it as an ipod if your windows phone is also a great mp3 player? why carrying two devices when one can do all?
sell it, make some money out of it and take your girlfriend out for dinner Lol

Primary phone + gym = don't wanna go there. I love that WP7 has an FM radio and great music, but I view most things I take to the gym as likely to die/disappear/destruct (for historical reasons). Also using phone as a music player for an hour workout guarantees battery failure at a needed point - been there / done that. I like to keep it separate for many reasons. That said, if I get a good enough case, maybe I'll try it.
Additionally WP7 doesn't scobble or support replaygain. I like both. Crossing my fingers that someday the APIs will allow Foobar2000 (or an equivalent) to run on WP7.
I don't like iTunes. Will never get an iPod touch for that reason. If they cut the cord, fine, but if I have to use iTunes that's a dealbreaker. I evaluate a lot of tech and it pains me whenever I have to check something on an iPad because that means installing iTunes.
Dinner for girlfriend is fine, but I'm single at the moment. I don't take a girl on a date and tell her I sold a phone to buy her a Chalupa
Ok, so apparently I need to Voodoo my phone twice now. All I thought I needed was to get rid of that damned Samsung filesystem. Is there a ROM that has this pre-loaded?

Com rom would be great...i get over a day and a half with split time on 3g and wifi, listening to music with power amp for about 4 hours at work, and texting on and . voodoo sound is in kernels, but both that are included withCom rom have it
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You can use Winamp and various other apps to manage music on iDevices. Personally, my old iPod Touch easily gets 20 hours of continous music playback (that's likely on the conservative side! I frequently forget to pause my ipod at night, so it'll end up playing ~10 hours, and do that several nights in a row without charging!), while my Fascinate would probably get no where near that amount... Music playback seems to use a shockingly large amount of battery for some odd reason. Either should be more than fine for a couple days worth of work outs without charging, though. There's also definitely going to be every accessory under the sun for the iPod, while the Fascinate will have a tiny handful of accessories (most of which will probably be some generic 'universal' one that doesn't fit quite right and is of questionable build quality).
Also, people keep saying how "great" the sound is from the Fascinate... I doubt with headphones you'll be using at the gym that the claimed difference would matter. When using any reasonably priced headphones, you won't be telling the difference! That's also assuming the audio files you have are of high enough quality to tell as well...
If you're sticking with the Fascinate, I'd recommend sticking with whatever ROM you currently are on until CM7 supports all the hardware you want to use. I'm personally waiting for a fully funcional CM7 before upgrading from SC 2.9.2.
Edit: If your phone is running any ComRom/UKB, you already have Voodoo Sound. Voodoo Sound has been supported in Froyo almost since we started using the kernel source for the Mesmerize back on some version of Super Clean.

KitsuneKnight said:
You can use Winamp and various other apps to manage music on iDevices. Personally, my old iPod Touch easily gets 20 hours of continous music playback (that's likely on the conservative side! I frequently forget to pause my ipod at night, so it'll end up playing ~10 hours, and do that several nights in a row without charging!), while my Fascinate would probably get no where near that amount... Music playback seems to use a shockingly large amount of battery for some odd reason. Either should be more than fine for a couple days worth of work outs without charging, though. There's also definitely going to be every accessory under the sun for the iPod, while the Fascinate will have a tiny handful of accessories (most of which will probably be some generic 'universal' one that doesn't fit quite right and is of questionable build quality).
Also, people keep saying how "great" the sound is from the Fascinate... I doubt with headphones you'll be using at the gym that the claimed difference would matter. When using any reasonably priced headphones, you won't be telling the difference! That's also assuming the audio files you have are of high enough quality to tell as well...
If you're sticking with the Fascinate, I'd recommend sticking with whatever ROM you currently are on until CM7 supports all the hardware you want to use. I'm personally waiting for a fully funcional CM7 before upgrading from SC 2.9.2.
Edit: If your phone is running any ComRom/UKB, you already have Voodoo Sound. Voodoo Sound has been supported in Froyo almost since we started using the kernel source for the Mesmerize back on some version of Super Clean.
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+1. For messing with my iPod Touch files, I use CopyTrans Manager, which is free, it is decent and very reliable.

Heh, without the celluar radios on, android devices have a crazy amount of battery life. Using my hero as an mp3 player it would go 2 days before needing a charge with lite use. No reason the fascinate would be much different especially being used as a mp3 player seeing one of the biggest power draws is the screen it's self. I'd just keep it and continue use, you pretty much have a Galaxy S player.

Depending on how much you use the screen you could probably get around 2-4 days use out of it. Cm7 has a feature where you can hold the volume key up or down to skip a song or play the previous one while the screen is off so theres some potential battery savings there if you make good playlists. If audio quality is important to you, this phone + voodoo sound + a decent pair of headphones will provide a top notch experience.
Sent from my kang banged fascinate, bro.

Just for a better reference point for an older iPod Touch's battery life (the newer ones are better), I last charged mine 3 days ago, and have used it the last two nights for somewhere on the order of 10-12 hours each night, totally somewhere from 20-24 hours... and I currently have more than half my battery left. I'll get at least another 2 nights of similar usage before it gets into the red, so I'd figure somewhere around 40-50 hours of playtime.

are you guys using a dock out something or the internal speaker? I know with my daughters nano (5thgen) a long as its not powering it own speaker it last forever lol but its a lot smaller battery too
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are you guys using a dock out something or the internal speaker? I know with my daughters nano (5thgen) a long as its not powering it own speaker it last forever lol but its a lot smaller battery too
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I've never owned an ipod myself but I would assume most people use them with headphones...
Sent from my kang banged fascinate, bro.

well there are talking about night time use so headphones don't seen logical especially if sleeping... atleast I don't sleep with them anyway haha
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If you have one of the custom kernels (PBJ, OTB), just download Voodoo Control (free) from the Market.

Regarding battery life, I went out of the country last year, and had to keep my phone in airplane mode to avoid roaming fees. I basically just used it as an alarm clock (no music, etc). After seven days, I still had about 70% battery left. I really wish I had taken a screen shot so people won't say I'm lying. This was on bloated stock rom, btw.
And I agree with your hate of iTunes. The iPod Touch is an amazing piece of hardware, but being tied to iTunes is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe you could jail break it and not have to rely on iTunes?
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devlp1213 said:
well there are talking about night time use so headphones don't seen logical especially if sleeping... atleast I don't sleep with them anyway haha
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I use earbud-style headphones. Those present absolutely no difficulties with sleeping I prefer earbuds since they're far more portable than any other style (just shove them in my pocket and go!).
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Regarding battery life, I went out of the country last year, and had to keep my phone in airplane mode to avoid roaming fees. I basically just used it as an alarm clock (no music, etc). After seven days, I still had about 70% battery left. I really wish I had taken a screen shot so people won't say I'm lying. This was on bloated stock rom, btw.
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That's not really surprising, the phone should be using virtually zero power in that case. Nothing should be waking it up until the internal timer wakes the kernel, that'll then trigger the alarm, pretty much.
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And I agree with your hate of iTunes. The iPod Touch is an amazing piece of hardware, but being tied to iTunes is also a deal breaker for me. Maybe you could jail break it and not have to rely on iTunes?
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You don't need to jailbreak it to use something else. I mentioned Winamp earlier in the thread, and someone else mentioned another program. There's quite a few that can be used to sync your music, including multiple programs on Linux/OS X as well. Hating iTunes isn't really a good enough reason

KitsuneKnight said:
You don't need to jailbreak it to use something else. I mentioned Winamp earlier in the thread, and someone else mentioned another program. There's quite a few that can be used to sync your music, including multiple programs on Linux/OS X as well. Hating iTunes isn't really a good enough reason
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I should have said that the requirement to use any program to sync my device is a deal breaker for me. I thought maybe jail breaking would allow a drag and drop (like our phones)
But if it isn't for the OP, I think Media Monkey will also sync an iPod

I personally kinda like iTunes as a music player and the syncing isn't that horrible... but anyway enough about that.
If I was against getting an iPod then I'd keep the Fascinate as an MP3 player. You get to use it not only to play music but you get the added benefit of Google syncing (personally I can't live without calendar, Gmail) and the entire Android Market. Using Voodoo will get you a faster filesystem and awesome sound, and with the appropriate kernel you can configure it for battery life. Without the radio and using wi-fi sparingly you can get some amazing battery life. And don't forget it's got that awesome screen.
If you don't need a camcorder and don't mind limited BT, then CM6 is pretty stable and will be the cleanest and smoothest ROM (MMS is broken too but that won't matter since you don't have service on it). There should be some voodoo kernels for it floating around somewhere in the Development forum.