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I am the proud owner of a HTC touch HD phone, and a very happy owner too. I got it just before Christmas, and it is currently running on Duttys rom, 2.6. All in all my best phone so far.
As many, I have always looked upon the iPhone as one of the absolute best phones ever made, in my opinion it more or less revolutionized how we look upon a phone’s capabilities. However, since I have never had an iPhone, I found it hard to argument for or against it. Therefore I have bought one (used), which will arrive by mail within the next few days. When I get it, I will use it for a month and keep posting here how it goes and how it performs compared to the touch HD. Why do I do this? Because I’m curious, and because I want to see what all the hype is about, and most of all, i hate the fact that everyone is *****ing about which product is the best, but only a few has actually had and used the two phones for a longer period of time.
So far I bought the phone (iPhone 3g), and I am waiting for it to arrive. I must say the wait is long I have downloaded iTunes, so all I’m waiting for right now, is the phone itself.
Besides the normal things you do with a phone (calling, sms), I daily use my touch HD for web browsing, email correspondence and video and music. All of which performs perfectly (thank you coreplayer ). So this is what I plan to use the iPhone for, since touch HD is a windows mobile phone, I rely upon activesync to take care of my outlook contacts and calendar notes, we’ll see how well iTunes does this.
I also like the fact that it is so easy to get what you want with windows mobile, mostly through you guys here at xda.
When the phone arrives I’ll post my first experiences.
Update: 15-4-2009
It'll arrive tomorrow. Thanks for all the replys
Update 17-4-2009
First impressions
So i’ve used the phone for all in all 5-6 hours so far, so I can only tell you about my first impressions. I had some problems getting my music from my pc to the phone, it turned out that you have to enable music synchronization in itunes, in order to get anything transferred to the phone. First thing I did was to transfer my music through explorer (drag and drop), more or less the exact same way as with touch hd, this isn’t allowed, so I had to go through itunes, convert all my music, find out how to get it from itunes to the phone, before I could listen to music. In all in all much more difficult than I had believed, but now I know how it works, so hopefully this won’t be an issue in the future. I can see the problem for those who has many more songs than I had on my laptop, it’s takes a long time to convert to the itunes format, so this would be a major drawback. Why can’t I just put my mp3’s directly on the phone?
This being said, I really like the flow on the phone, the framerate compared to touch hd, is better, giving a better feel. However, I’ve been a bit annoyed by the sensitivity of the screen; it probably takes some getting used to.
Finally, when I used the phone this morning in my way to work, I had some issues with the 3G connection. My touch hd has no problems what so ever when I am using to surf and check mails and so on, the iphone used 3G for 3 minutes, and then I found myself browsing using edge, which is in my opinion is not an option. This is something that will be an annoyance if it keeps up (I’m hoping it was a onetime only).
As for the browsing itself, iphone surpasses the touch hd. Opera is simply to slow compared to safari, but if I can’t get a proper connection, there really is no choice.
One thing that really impressed though was the app store. All though you have to put in your credit card information in order to create an account, it is really easy to browse through all the apps, find what you like and install it. And there really are many different and funny apps, which all in all lifts the overall user value.
I’ll return in next week with more views. Thanks for all the responses
04-05-2009
The first many days.
Hey, sorry for the delay. Been busy at work, but finally found some time to write some more. I have had and used the phone for quite some time by now, it performs as expected. All though I begin to see the small bugs, which most people forget to mention when recommending the iphone. I read somewhere that the iPhone simply “just works”. That is not entirely true, yes I have never had a smartphone that performs as well as the iPhone, it has the least amounts of crashes and so on. However, to say that it simply works, is wrong. When I browse the web, safari hangs on every load, so you have to wait for the entire page to load until you start navigating. Furthermore the video player used in safari has a tendency to hang a lot when you are viewing a longer video, and especially if wifi is turned on. But still, the browser is the best mobile browser so far. Opera hangs/stalls/dies a lot too, and of the two browsers, I prefer safari. There’s still a long way to go until web browsing on the mobile is perfect.
The phone itself has rebooted three times, one time in a game and the two other times it just stalled and went black. Odd… Again if I compare to touch hd, it is more or less the same. My touch hd also died a lot of times, and the one thing that annoyed me most on a windows mobile device, is the fact that the memory isn’t flushed correctly. To many times you have to do a hard reboot, in order to get the memory cleared and to get good performance again.
I mentioned the connection problems earlier, or the lack of connection… Well it hasn’t improved, when you are traveling, the phone looses connection so many times it’s a major problem. Sometimes safari stops working when the connection is lost. Damn, that annoys me… So why don’t you just use wifi? Because with wifi turned on, the battery is used up in no time at all. This brings me to the next issue: The battery. I have to charge the phone one time every day, even with wifi turned off. “Then you use the phone a lot” you might say, and the answer would be: “yes I do, but that’s what the iphone is all about…”. If you don’t use the iphone for all the things that are so nice on the phone, why use it at all. I listen to music, surf the web, check emails, and play games on it daily. And this results in a charge a day. So all in all, the battery performance is poor. Furthermore if you are playing a game, and receive a phonecall, the game is shut down, without save, stupid…
This brings me to the app store, this is the one thing that makes me praise the iPhone. Yes we have the same on windows mobile, but not so approachable and comprehensive. Installing a game or a program could be much much easier on winmo. There is only one big flaw in the app store, if you are connected through 3G, there is a max on 10 mb per download. So if you find a game that’s larger than 10 mb, you have to wait to download it. Why??? 10 mb on 3g shouldn’t be a problem… By the way, you gotta love the facebook app… All though you can’t connect a contact to its facebook profile, it’s still a nice app
The GPS is not entirely accurate, but still usable. I won’t say that much about the gps since I don’t use it allot. And google maps is more or less the same as on touch hd.
The last thing: I saw many movies on touch HD. I have ripped many of my dvd’s and converted them to divx. On touch hd you just transfer the movie to the phone and you can see it. On iphone I have to convert it to some stupid format in order to see it. I hate having movies in so many different formats, and hate to rely upon itunes.
I’ll write a new post in the near future, and as for the guy who commented on my description on to much sensitivity: Sorry, but that’s just my experience of the phone
Samoht2003 said:
I am the proud owner of a HTC touch HD phone, and a very happy owner too. I got it just before Christmas, and it is currently running on Duttys rom, 2.6. All in all my best phone so far.
As many, I have always looked upon the iPhone as one of the absolute best phones ever made, in my opinion it more or less revolutionized how we look upon a phone’s capabilities. However, since I have never had an iPhone, I found it hard to argument for or against it. Therefore I have bought one (used), which will arrive by mail within the next few days. When I get it, I will use it for a month and keep posting here how it goes and how it performs compared to the touch HD. Why do I do this? Because I’m curious, and because I want to see what all the hype is about, and most of all, i hate the fact that everyone is *****ing about which product is the best, but only a few has actually had and used the two phones for a longer period of time.
So far I bought the phone (iPhone 3g), and I am waiting for it to arrive. I must say the wait is long I have downloaded iTunes, so all I’m waiting for right now, is the phone itself.
Besides the normal things you do with a phone (calling, sms), I daily use my touch HD for web browsing, email correspondence and video and music. All of which performs perfectly (thank you coreplayer ). So this is what I plan to use the iPhone for, since touch HD is a windows mobile phone, I rely upon activesync to take care of my outlook contacts and calendar notes, we’ll see how well iTunes does this.
I also like the fact that it is so easy to get what you want with windows mobile, mostly through you guys here at xda.
When the phone arrives I’ll post my first experiences.
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Looking forward to hear your experinces
Yep look forward to it!
Not sure it was revolutionary... the LG Prada was a full touch screen phone before the iPhone.. Apple just packaged it well... Steve jobs could box a turd and sell it. pretty much like Apples claim on the mouse! That was actually Xerox's baby!
Looking forward to your experience and an honest review / comparison between the 2!
I actually have both (HTC Touch HD and iPhone 3g), too
Yeah, waiting to see your comments...
We are talking about Apples & Oranges here!!! Arent we?
the real great things on the iphone are aps! they are realy cool, good looking, running smooth... but only one at a time with a verry bad cam and no mms... (yet )
if it had a better cam, MMS (soon) eand a real GPS (and GPS software) i would defintly forget my HD!
way to go pal, will be glad to read your reviews.
bouyaka said:
the real great things on the iphone are aps! they are realy cool, good looking, running smooth... but only one at a time with a verry bad cam and no mms... (yet )
if it had a better cam, MMS (soon) eand a real GPS (and GPS software) i would defintly forget my HD!
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Oh my.
Jesus phone has a lot of shortcomings, but MMS? Who cares? It's the silliest thing since plastic toothpick. Why do you want to pay your operator for this surrogate email?
And do you really consider HD's camera usable?
daraj said:
We are talking about Apples & Oranges here!!! Arent we?
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Not really.... I'll explain...
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and bought a HD. My reasons were...
1) I get bored and I had the iPhone since last July and fancied a change
2) I wanted expandable memory
3) I think the iPhone is looking dated now. Controversial I'm sure...
4) I now want stereo Bluetooth streaming for a new iO Play car kit I have had fitted
I used to change phones far too often and had 13 in a year once, but the iPhone is the longest serving handset I've had for a while. Despite not being bleeding edge when it comes to the specification, the way you interact with it, the simplicity, the fluidity and the Apple ecosystem all added up to make it a revolutionary phone. There is a reason why every new touch-screen phone is an iPhone killer.
The email client is superb, web browsing superb and media playback superb. And the text inputs auto-correction is very intelligent and doesn't just look out for spelling mistakes, but patterns in typing which it relates to possible words.
The App store is great, but getting full of rubbish making the genuinely useful stuff harder to find. Rumours are there will be a premier store soon. The O2 contracts are great, as the free data and free WiFi access are superbly implemented, switching between seamlessly. And once you've authenticated with the free WiFi once that's all you ever have to do. I could walk into a Starbucks, McDonalds, Costa, Hotel, Airport etc etc and it would connect to the WiFi before I even realised I was in a hotspot.
But it's not the Jesus phone everyone seems to think. And I hate, really, really hate the fan-boy love affair some people have with it... to the point I was embarrassed by it sometimes.
"No, I don't want to talk to you about your iPhone, stranger...."
The limitations in the iPhone are 75% software based, most of which will be corrected in version 3 of the software. Things like additional Bluetooth profiles, landscape text input in all apps, MMS, tethering etc will be welcome additions.
And that's one of the things that bothered me. These are simple things that really should be included as standard.
Things like the poor camera didn't bother me. I mean, Sony Ericsson have been putting rubbish cameras in phones they didn't market as imaging devices for years. If the camera is the main focus, there are much better options (like buying a camera).
The lack of expandable memory is a big deal for a multimedia phone though. I can understand the marketing / product reasons behind it, but even that seems to contradict the 'one device to do everything' approach Apple take with this.
Now to go back to my original point, Apples Vs Oranges, the HD and the iPhone aren't that different. Both have huge strengths, both have huge weaknesses, both have massive amounts in common. The thing that differs between them is down to the person buying it. What do you want from a phone....?
Out of the box usability and slickness? iPhone.
Endless tinkering, customisation and free reign of what you do with your phone? Touch HD
But both have the capability of matching the other in every single aspect. There is pretty much nothing that you can do with one that you can't with the other. Exactly the same can be said for Windows PC operating systems Vs Apple Mac OS X. Funnily enough, most of what I have said above can be applied in some way to that argument too.
So, the other downsides to the iPhone.... (some of this is entirely personal opinion).
Text input needs work in it's current form. The keys are just too small. This is made up by the excellent auto-correction, but it's still poor. And you can't add in new keyboards without jailbreaking, which brings me to..
Restrictive approach to third party applications. Apples closed-door approach has no benefits. I originally thought it would be good as it would ensure reliability and stability, but there are some terribly shaky applications in the App Store. I see no benefit in this for consumers and the only way around involves invalidating your warranty.
Hardware restrictions - No expandable memory, as above. Screen size Vs chassis size and screen resolution are falling behind the competition. Poor build quality is another factor that's not uncommon either.
If you are the kind of person who enjoys Windows Mobile, I predict you will get frustrated with the iPhones shortfalls and will be jailbreaking it within a day.
Robster83 said:
Not really.... I'll explain...
I've just sold my iPhone 3G and bought a HD. My reasons were...
1) I get bored and I had the iPhone since last July and fancied a change
2) I wanted expandable memory
3) I think the iPhone is looking dated now. Controversial I'm sure...
4) I now want stereo Bluetooth streaming for a new iO Play car kit I have had fitted
I used to change phones far too often and had 13 in a year once, but the iPhone is the longest serving handset I've had for a while. Despite not being bleeding edge when it comes to the specification, the way you interact with it, the simplicity, the fluidity and the Apple ecosystem all added up to make it a revolutionary phone. There is a reason why every new touch-screen phone is an iPhone killer.
The email client is superb, web browsing superb and media playback superb. And the text inputs auto-correction is very intelligent and doesn't just look out for spelling mistakes, but patterns in typing which it relates to possible words.
The App store is great, but getting full of rubbish making the genuinely useful stuff harder to find. Rumours are there will be a premier store soon. The O2 contracts are great, as the free data and free WiFi access are superbly implemented, switching between seamlessly. And once you've authenticated with the free WiFi once that's all you ever have to do. I could walk into a Starbucks, McDonalds, Costa, Hotel, Airport etc etc and it would connect to the WiFi before I even realised I was in a hotspot.
But it's not the Jesus phone everyone seems to think. And I hate, really, really hate the fan-boy love affair some people have with it... to the point I was embarrassed by it sometimes.
"No, I don't want to talk to you about your iPhone, stranger...."
The limitations in the iPhone are 75% software based, most of which will be corrected in version 3 of the software. Things like additional Bluetooth profiles, landscape text input in all apps, MMS, tethering etc will be welcome additions.
And that's one of the things that bothered me. These are simple things that really should be included as standard.
Things like the poor camera didn't bother me. I mean, Sony Ericsson have been putting rubbish cameras in phones they didn't market as imaging devices for years. If the camera is the main focus, there are much better options (like buying a camera).
The lack of expandable memory is a big deal for a multimedia phone though. I can understand the marketing / product reasons behind it, but even that seems to contradict the 'one device to do everything' approach Apple take with this.
Now to go back to my original point, Apples Vs Oranges, the HD and the iPhone aren't that different. Both have huge strengths, both have huge weaknesses, both have massive amounts in common. The thing that differs between them is down to the person buying it. What do you want from a phone....?
Out of the box usability and slickness? iPhone.
Endless tinkering, customisation and free reign of what you do with your phone? Touch HD
But both have the capability of matching the other in every single aspect. There is pretty much nothing that you can do with one that you can't with the other. Exactly the same can be said for Windows PC operating systems Vs Apple Mac OS X. Funnily enough, most of what I have said above can be applied in some way to that argument too.
So, the other downsides to the iPhone.... (some of this is entirely personal opinion).
Text input needs work in it's current form. The keys are just too small. This is made up by the excellent auto-correction, but it's still poor. And you can't add in new keyboards without jailbreaking, which brings me to..
Restrictive approach to third party applications. Apples closed-door approach has no benefits. I originally thought it would be good as it would ensure reliability and stability, but there are some terribly shaky applications in the App Store. I see no benefit in this for consumers and the only way around involves invalidating your warranty.
Hardware restrictions - No expandable memory, as above. Screen size Vs chassis size and screen resolution are falling behind the competition. Poor build quality is another factor that's not uncommon either.
If you are the kind of person who enjoys Windows Mobile, I predict you will get frustrated with the iPhones shortfalls and will be jailbreaking it within a day.
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What I meant by that is the fact the HD is highly customizable to the bones, heck you can even run an Android OS on it. Iphone is a very closed OS with very little tweaks allowed by Apple ( Not talking about Jailbreaking) From the usability to the screen to the memory to the GPS vs A-GPS.. from the camera to almost everything in both phones are different. I consider the Iphone a weekend phone While the HD is a very business oriented phone that gets the job done and good.
Not sure If I can really say they are very similar. Just my 2 cents
daraj said:
What I meant by that is the fact the HD is highly customizable to the bones, heck you can even run an Android OS on it. Iphone is a very closed OS with very little tweaks allowed by Apple ( Not talking about Jailbreaking) From the usability to the screen to the memory to the GPS vs A-GPS.. from the camera to almost everything in both phones are different. I consider the Iphone a weekend phone While the HD is a very business oriented phone that gets the job done and good.
Not sure If I can really say they are very similar. Just my 2 cents
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That's fair enough. But when you sit the two side-by-side and ask them to do the same task, there isn't much difference. If you think about what you do with your phone, I'd bet the HD does things in a very similar way to the iPhone. There are only so many ways to construct a text message, make a call or browse the internet on a touch screen mobile
The one big thing I didn't mention that you have just reminded me of, is the touch screen. The capacitive screen on the iPhone is much more responsive in use.
Robster83 said:
That's fair enough. But when you sit the two side-by-side and ask them to do the same task, there isn't much difference. If you think about what you do with your phone, I'd bet the HD does things in a very similar way to the iPhone. There are only so many ways to construct a text message, make a call or browse the internet on a touch screen mobile
The one big thing I didn't mention that you have just reminded me of, is the touch screen. The capacitive screen on the iPhone is much more responsive in use.
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Yup. WVGA on HD and VGA on Iphone ( Not sure if its even VGA)
pretty much it boils down to what you do with it. I have both devices. I use the HD and the iphone sits on the desk. I am an admin at my company and we are windows based the windows mobile device it the best phone for us. While I like the Iphone it is not praticle for me to use. I hav not found any thing that I do on the iphone that I gave not been able to find an app that works on the hd doing the same or better. I really like being able to change the rom on my phone and customise it. Can't really do that with the iphone. And I think the display on the HD is much better.
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Yup. WVGA on HD and VGA on Iphone ( Not sure if its even VGA)
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Capacitive Vs Resistive is a bigger aspect than the resolution which, I agree, the iPhone falls short of. It is HVGA (320x480).
You have to be crazy to think that the iphone hasnt changed the mobile industry. It is an amazingly capable, intuitive and beautiful device to boot compared to these piece of lard htc OS's (the stock ones).
I owned about 15 HTC/Winmo devices starting with the SPV c500 and culminating in the Diamond as soon as it came out and got an iphone 3g at around the same time. None of the roms could come close to the intrinsic slickness, speed and support for the iphone, I jailbroke it, and was blown away and it became my primary device. However the iphone is currently mediacentric and not a buisness/professional phone and I needed an OQO UMPC to carry around as well but it doesnt claim to be anything else in fairness.
I have been quite impressed by the cooked Win 6.5 roms and skyfire recently though, and I am going to buy the HTC Touch Pro2 when it comes out as I need to use programs like word with a built in keyboard and tv out facility and perhaps retire my UMPC/laptops. This forum is also a great feature in choosing a HTC phone for customisation.
And for people who say the iphone doesnt have microsd, poor camera etc... How many crippled HTC devices have we seen? The iphone has been in a class of its own untill recent catch up devices.
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And for people who say the iphone doesnt have microsd, poor camera etc... How many crippled HTC devices have we seen? The iphone has been in a class of its own untill recent catch up devices.
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Expandability is (in my opinion) essential for any electronic devices. I have an 8GB card in my HD now, and I plan on upgrading to a 32GB soon by simply inserting a memory card. iPhone...can't do that. You have to buy a new phone to do so. I also have a spare battery which I can swap out when I am on the road and can't charge my phone...like camping perhaps. Iphone...can't. I like to copy and paste text from one program to another (multitasking). iPhone...can't. The HD 5MP camera takes great pictures which can be geo tagged with great accuracy. iPhone (until v2.0 comes out)...can't. Sure, there are some HD's out there that are crippled or bricked. Why? Because people that have the mental capacity to appreciate a multitasking device/computer actually like to open the hood and tweak it. Sure, iPhone apps may seem to run smoother. But that's because of the lack of multitasking! My HD (or any other Windows Mobile device) runs processes and applications in the background so you can do more and be more productive.
Honestly, do a side by side comparison of the HD and the iPhone. And I am not talking software, I mean hardware. We can debate applications all day, but it's the hardware that defines the capabilities. If you want a list of HD hardware features then I will post them for you.
*double post*
DerrickD2,
You have misunderstood the thrust of my post, that the iphone was/is a trailblazing and revolutionary device in the mobile sector. It seems anywhere bar this 'nerdy spec-hugging' forum that its not too hard to accept. The Touch HD is a better device in my opinion too as like I already stated, other companies have played catch up. There is no need to tell me its hardware specs.
But to pick up on a few points:
* Upgradeable SD is important, it annoys me to only have 16gb but I can stream content off free iphone optimised filestores available, some providing 10gb a go. Not ideal but workable.
* Spare battery, well the iphones battery is pretty decent and lasts for many years. If you want to keep the battery charged you can do it on the fly by adding these 'double your battery' packs and their ilk/cases when you are running low and you dont even 'have to swap the battery':
http://us.kensington.com/html/15462.html
* You can cut and paste text in jailbroken phones within the app. You can mulitask too, to an extent on JB phones although I dont know if it's sytemwide cut and paste (prob. not)
* Megapixels aren't everything on a camera. Its about the lens too. The 2MP camera of the iphone image quality is known to be quite decent, better than most 3.2MP HTC offerings but I agree it should have a better camera.
* Like I said the iphone isn't productivity centred and its probably why they dont consider multitasking a crucial feature but from what I understand its processor is faster than any HTC phone. Jailbroken iphones can run background apps too but obviously native apps dont support this.
We can debate applications all day, but it's the hardware that defines the capabilities.
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This is so contentious! Hardware can define the capabilites and software/OS/User experience can define the capabilties! It depends on what the consumer needs. Horses for course's!
I love my new iPhone 3GS.
I'll check when and if WM7 is available on the Athena.
In the meantime, I don't think I'll miss you.
You will. You'll be back.
For starters, the advanced 3G speeds that the S has the hardware for, still isn't supported by AT&T. Engadget showed a side-by-side between the 3G and the 3GS and there was no speed difference.
You'll also miss that 5" screen.
If Athena 5 " screen won't make u come back , wait and see the Thoth , u will be back for it sooner or later , he he he
Hi
Today I have a x7500, it´s my second x7500. I also have a Samsung Omnia. I thought that the Omnia should replace my Omnia but it haven´t, and it´s because of the screen. But noq I am thinking of buying a new decive but I can´t make up my mind of wich I should buy. This are the devices I am thinking abou.
X7510
HTC Touch HD
HTC Touch HD pro2
Or an Iphone
I travel alot so I need a rather big screen to watch movies, and read Ebooks.
Anyone out there who can give me an advice?
Regards
Hans
I wouldn't spend money moving to an X7510. The only benefit is the 16gb solid-state storage, but you can get more than that with the mini-SD slot on your 7500 now.
You would also loose the joystick, which I find to be essential since I don't carry the keyboard anymore.
Oh yea? With the < 3 hour battery life? No multi-tasking? Don't like referencing any information on your iPhone while making a call? You like being locked dead into that calling screen? You don't like multi-tasking... ever? Never ever wanna do things like surfing the web while on IM+, sending and recieving youtube links to your buddies via AIM, GoogleIM, MSN messenger with a word pad or notepad docunent open to take notes? You're all that happy with iTunes? Don't like being able to read/write, UL/DL, or stream your files wirelessly from your network shares? Prefer not being able to watch virtually any movie format, listen to virtually any audio format without conversion? Would rather not be allowed share your phones internet connection with your laptop via usb, bt or wifi?
Well just wait a couple of month until fennec aka firefox mobile comes out with full flash 10 support and custom plug-ins.
The market is just beginning to catch up with the Athena, the original iPad/Dell Mini 5/Kindle killer.
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Oh yea? With the < 3 hour battery life? No multi-tasking? Don't like referencing any information on your iPhone while making a call? You like being locked dead into that calling screen? You don't like multi-tasking... ever? Never ever wanna do things like surfing the web while on IM+, sending and recieving youtube links to your buddies via AIM, GoogleIM, MSN messenger with a word pad or notepad docunent open to take notes? You're all that happy with iTunes? Don't like being able to read/write, UL/DL, or stream your files wirelessly from your network shares? Prefer not being able to watch virtually any movie format, listen to virtually any audio format without conversion? Would rather not be allowed share your phones internet connection with your laptop via usb, bt or wifi?
Well just wait a couple of month until fennec aka firefox mobile comes out with full flash 10 support and custom plug-ins.
The market is just beginning to catch up with the Athena, the original iPad/Dell Mini 5/Kindle killer.
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As a very long time reader (and from time to time poster), and owner of a first hand x7501 model (still do), I beg to debunk your post about the iPhone and also the WM devices.
Because I also have owned an iPhone 3G for a year and 9 months now, so I really can compare both. Have you ever owned both?
"< 3 hour battery life?"
I don't think so. I have used my 3G a lot, every single day, it's great. I know the 3GS has lower battery life, but it depends on how and what you use it for. A gross statement saying "< 3 hour battery life" is no proof. On the other hand, I have owned my x7501 for longer than my 3G, and I found the battery life on the x7501 not good if the cellular part is turned on to 3G, despite having a rather large battery. You are really not convincing me, who own both.
"Multi-tasking?"
I have done it on my iPhone 3G and so have many. The 3GS is even better as it has twice the RAM. All you need is jailbreak it, and install Backgrounder. If you install Kirikae, you can swap the tasks even easier. My 3G is not as good as RAM is a bit limited. However, multi-tasking on iPhone OS is better experience than on WM (inc. Athena) b/c WM has a bit of lag when doing any actions, and iPhone OS responds a bit better.
"Referencing info while on a call?"
You can do it. And that doesn't even require a jailbreak. I bet you have never owned an iPhone or you would know about it. I really hope you walk the walk, and not just talk the talk. Just hit the Home button, and you are on the Home screen again. Apple made their own apps multitask capable natively, don't you know that?
"Locked dead into a calling screen?"
Ok, during a Call, either incoming or outgoing, there is a brief moment that that screen has to be on top, but that takes as much time till the call is either received / answered or dropped (forwarded etc). I forgot if it is such on WM, I have to test it again (I have no SIM in mine right now). But it is not "locked dead" as you put it, it is merely during the time it takes to ring. You can revert back to whatever you need, after the call is received / answered. Not sure what a big deal this is. And I don't even know if WM has completely not affected by this as you implied.
"surfing the web while on IM+?"
Do you know that IM+ on iPhone has Push and thus I don't even need to have IM+ on while surfing on the web? And if I do, I can also launch IM+ as long as I have enough RAM. Does IM+ on WM have Push?
"Sending and receiving YouTube links via AIM, GoogleIM, MSN...?"
iPhone has copy and paste, and various apps also can do links sending also (but mostly email) directly. iPhone can do AIM via either AIM native app (free), or other IM apps inc IM+, which also can do GoogleIM, and MSN. Only there can be more features about MSN (now call Live actually, where have you been?) on WM than on others, but that is not a fair comparison as it's Microsoft camp. Most links can be launched directly. IM+ has their own web browser or you can launch into Mobile Safari at your own choice. Can you choose browser via an IM app directly on WM?
"With wordpad opened to take notes?"
There are various note taking apps avail on iPhone. It is Pocket Word, not the "wordpad" as in Windows. They have very different features. Not sure how to compare here, but since Pocket Word doesn't come with most WM devices, I think it is not a good comparison. But regardless, you implied that iPhone can't do it, and it is wrong.
"All that happy with iTunes?"
Which one? The one on the desktop? True, I'm not totally happy with it, nor am I totally happy with ActiveSync either. You think ActiveSync is perfect? At least iTunes is easier to use for lay people. I'll give iTunes credit on that. If you are talking about the one on iPhone, I personally don't use it much, but few people complain about it. At least if you want to knock it, please give specific and comparsion notes. Not just a sound bite knock. Does the WM Media Player handle Podcast (or similar feed) easily?
"Don't like being able to read/write, UL/DL, or stream your files wirelessly from your network shares?"
Really? There are apps to do it, some easier, some harder, but tons to choose from. I notice that both platforms can do it, but some can be done easily on iPhone (but you need the other side to have the right stuff). For WM, I can't see how easily it can be done natively, may be I miss something here. Which native app can stream directly without extra help via WM? Help me out. You are making a broad call here, but I will say that all you said can be done via the iPhone, but it depends, b/c you put it too broad.
"Prefer not being able to watch virtually any movie format, listen to virtually any audio format without conversion?"
What do you mean virtually any format? can you play HD stuff on it? What about MPEG4 which chokes most WM devices except the latest stuff (and not Athena)? What about MKV? What about H.264? "Virtually any movie formats"? What an exaggeration! You are so biased that you are willing to exaggerate and lie. I think most desktop formats cannot be played on the Athena smoothly without re-encoding. iPhone has some limitations, can do less codecs, but not too bad. There are some third party apps that can help. Some apps are not that great, I admit (but they are jailbreak apps, so not really official stuff). Regardless, you are really out here. Similar for audio format without conversion. Can it play a ripped DVD-Audio, or HDCD? What do you mean by virtually any?
"Would rather not be allowed share your phones internet connection with your laptop via usb, bt or wifi?"
Let me tell you this. Without jailbreaking, I can already share my iPhone's internet connect via BT and USB natively. No big deal. With jailbreaking, I can share it with WiFi also. Athena can only do USB and BT natively, while many WM might not even have ICS included. Both platforms can use PDAnet. I have tried and used various versions of WMWiFiRouter, various versions very buggy and have routing bugs and stability issue. I have tried PDAnet and MyWi on iPhone and found both have some bugs, but so far usable, while later versions quite usable, but MyWi has a bug but doesn't affect normal use (only after quitting it). How many of this methods have you tried and compared? Would rather not be allowed? You know nothing about the iPhone it seems because iPhone Tethering has been big news out there, even non iPhone owners read about it.
"Well just wait a couple of month until fennec aka firefox mobile comes out with full flash 10 support and custom plug-ins."
It is a few months now. Where is Firefox / Fennec? Firefox has an alpha build for WM, and announced no more development, similarly for Windows Phone 7. But you seem to read into the future and was so sure of not only current things but (then) future events.
I'm no Apple fan boy, I own more Windows devices and Windows Mobile devices than Apple devices. Even today, I own Toshiba e830, e805, MWg 503g, and x7501. I have owned even more in the past. I have been on xda-developers for a very long time now, but most of the time I do not see as a gross exaggeration or untruth about any comparions either within platform or across platforms. I like my Athena and I was going to sell it and can't decide. But I use my iPhone daily and not my Athena, even though collectively I have a lot more experience on WM than iPhone OS.
"Oh, yea?"
Oh, yea? You are totally debunked, dude. Find some facts first!
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I love my new iPhone 3GS.
I'll check when and if WM7 is available on the Athena.
In the meantime, I don't think I'll miss you.
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It is Windows Phone 7, there will be no WM7 if you mean Windows Mobile 7. And I doubt if Windows Phone 7 can be ported easily to the Athena is there is very little we know about WP7, but WP7 is a very different beast, from inside to the outside, unlike WM / CE.
I also love my iPhone 3G, and I still can't decide if I should sell my Athena or not. But I use my iPhone daily, and my Athena is left around, only got to be played with from time to time.
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As a very long time reader (and from time to time poster), and owner of a first hand x7501 model (still do), I beg to debunk your post about the iPhone and also the WM devices.
Because I also have owned an iPhone 3G for a year and 9 months now, so I really can compare both. Have you ever owned both?
"< 3 hour battery life?"
I don't think so. I have used my 3G a lot, every single day, it's great. I know the 3GS has lower battery life, but it depends on how and what you use it for. A gross statement saying "< 3 hour battery life" is no proof. On the other hand, I have owned my x7501 for longer than my 3G, and I found the battery life on the x7501 not good if the cellular part is turned on to 3G, despite having a rather large battery. You are really not convincing me, who own both.
"Multi-tasking?"
I have done it on my iPhone 3G and so have many. The 3GS is even better as it has twice the RAM. All you need is jailbreak it, and install Backgrounder. If you install Kirikae, you can swap the tasks even easier. My 3G is not as good as RAM is a bit limited. However, multi-tasking on iPhone OS is better experience than on WM (inc. Athena) b/c WM has a bit of lag when doing any actions, and iPhone OS responds a bit better.
"Referencing info while on a call?"
You can do it. And that doesn't even require a jailbreak. I bet you have never owned an iPhone or you would know about it. I really hope you walk the walk, and not just talk the talk. Just hit the Home button, and you are on the Home screen again. Apple made their own apps multitask capable natively, don't you know that?
"Locked dead into a calling screen?"
Ok, during a Call, either incoming or outgoing, there is a brief moment that that screen has to be on top, but that takes as much time till the call is either received / answered or dropped (forwarded etc). I forgot if it is such on WM, I have to test it again (I have no SIM in mine right now). But it is not "locked dead" as you put it, it is merely during the time it takes to ring. You can revert back to whatever you need, after the call is received / answered. Not sure what a big deal this is. And I don't even know if WM has completely not affected by this as you implied.
"surfing the web while on IM+?"
Do you know that IM+ on iPhone has Push and thus I don't even need to have IM+ on while surfing on the web? And if I do, I can also launch IM+ as long as I have enough RAM. Does IM+ on WM have Push?
"Sending and receiving YouTube links via AIM, GoogleIM, MSN...?"
iPhone has copy and paste, and various apps also can do links sending also (but mostly email) directly. iPhone can do AIM via either AIM native app (free), or other IM apps inc IM+, which also can do GoogleIM, and MSN. Only there can be more features about MSN (now call Live actually, where have you been?) on WM than on others, but that is not a fair comparison as it's Microsoft camp. Most links can be launched directly. IM+ has their own web browser or you can launch into Mobile Safari at your own choice. Can you choose browser via an IM app directly on WM?
"With wordpad opened to take notes?"
There are various note taking apps avail on iPhone. It is Pocket Word, not the "wordpad" as in Windows. They have very different features. Not sure how to compare here, but since Pocket Word doesn't come with most WM devices, I think it is not a good comparison. But regardless, you implied that iPhone can't do it, and it is wrong.
"All that happy with iTunes?"
Which one? The one on the desktop? True, I'm not totally happy with it, nor am I totally happy with ActiveSync either. You think ActiveSync is perfect? At least iTunes is easier to use for lay people. I'll give iTunes credit on that. If you are talking about the one on iPhone, I personally don't use it much, but few people complain about it. At least if you want to knock it, please give specific and comparsion notes. Not just a sound bite knock. Does the WM Media Player handle Podcast (or similar feed) easily?
"Don't like being able to read/write, UL/DL, or stream your files wirelessly from your network shares?"
Really? There are apps to do it, some easier, some harder, but tons to choose from. I notice that both platforms can do it, but some can be done easily on iPhone (but you need the other side to have the right stuff). For WM, I can't see how easily it can be done natively, may be I miss something here. Which native app can stream directly without extra help via WM? Help me out. You are making a broad call here, but I will say that all you said can be done via the iPhone, but it depends, b/c you put it too broad.
"Prefer not being able to watch virtually any movie format, listen to virtually any audio format without conversion?"
What do you mean virtually any format? can you play HD stuff on it? What about MPEG4 which chokes most WM devices except the latest stuff (and not Athena)? What about MKV? What about H.264? "Virtually any movie formats"? What an exaggeration! You are so biased that you are willing to exaggerate and lie. I think most desktop formats cannot be played on the Athena smoothly without re-encoding. iPhone has some limitations, can do less codecs, but not too bad. There are some third party apps that can help. Some apps are not that great, I admit (but they are jailbreak apps, so not really official stuff). Regardless, you are really out here. Similar for audio format without conversion. Can it play a ripped DVD-Audio, or HDCD? What do you mean by virtually any?
"Would rather not be allowed share your phones internet connection with your laptop via usb, bt or wifi?"
Let me tell you this. Without jailbreaking, I can already share my iPhone's internet connect via BT and USB natively. No big deal. With jailbreaking, I can share it with WiFi also. Athena can only do USB and BT natively, while many WM might not even have ICS included. Both platforms can use PDAnet. I have tried and used various versions of WMWiFiRouter, various versions very buggy and have routing bugs and stability issue. I have tried PDAnet and MyWi on iPhone and found both have some bugs, but so far usable, while later versions quite usable, but MyWi has a bug but doesn't affect normal use (only after quitting it). How many of this methods have you tried and compared? Would rather not be allowed? You know nothing about the iPhone it seems because iPhone Tethering has been big news out there, even non iPhone owners read about it.
"Well just wait a couple of month until fennec aka firefox mobile comes out with full flash 10 support and custom plug-ins."
It is a few months now. Where is Firefox / Fennec? Firefox has an alpha build for WM, and announced no more development, similarly for Windows Phone 7. But you seem to read into the future and was so sure of not only current things but (then) future events.
I'm no Apple fan boy, I own more Windows devices and Windows Mobile devices than Apple devices. Even today, I own Toshiba e830, e805, MWg 503g, and x7501. I have owned even more in the past. I have been on xda-developers for a very long time now, but most of the time I do not see as a gross exaggeration or untruth about any comparions either within platform or across platforms. I like my Athena and I was going to sell it and can't decide. But I use my iPhone daily and not my Athena, even though collectively I have a lot more experience on WM than iPhone OS.
"Oh, yea?"
Oh, yea? You are totally debunked, dude. Find some facts first!
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I agree. I also own both devices because x7500 has big screen and iphone is a PHONE not portable office but can also do a lot of things.
sebastjan_b said:
I agree. I also own both devices because x7500 has big screen and iphone is a PHONE not portable office but can also do a lot of things.
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I wasn't thinking of getting rid of the Athena until I bought my MID, a BenQ S6, which is a similar form factor device (but very different outside and inside), and I just have to justify having both. The MID is fairly inexpensive, while the Athena was expensive and I'll loose quite a bit if I sell it. But the biggest thing is that there is no longer any killer app that I cannot replace them on the MID (runs XP), and the iPhone together. One would not be able to replace the WM completely, but a combo of XP and iPhone OS, then they can do it together. That's why I can't actively use the Athena these days.
Hello there,
I would love to hear some feedback on this mobile phone...
I'm asking this because I would like to offer a mobile phone to my wife.
This seems like a nice phone with a decent life expectancy, and since its mini women like it!
But I wanted to know if the phone is a good buy basically?
I love the phone! And sure since I started cooking for it
Some good points on the phone
- Price
- Size
- Price/Quality is very good
- Speed is quite nice
- Capacitive screen!
- Camera
Some minus points:
- Screen can be little to browse the web sometimes
- Processor must've been more
- Typing is sometimes difficult in portrait mode
- Speaker
In general: a best buy!
Hum.. well she will probably be using the phone to...
phone, sms... (duh)
agenda, notes, tasks...
and then of course the pictures, music...
btw what is the average price of this phone now a days?
I paid 330 EUR. The agenda, tasks, contacts etc are nice. They are nicely built in in Manilla. Audio and video playback is beautiful (if you use ear-phones)
If you still have questions just ask
Hi there,
The only downside to the HD Mini is that it is runs an outdated operating system. Windows phone 7 is due to come out some time in the near future and right now, Android kills Widows Mobile. So if your wife is going to use the phone for sms, agenda and the rest (i.e basic phone use), it should be fine.
If she wants the hundreds of applications available and wants to experience her phone to its limits I would recommend the Samsung Galaxy S. I was planning to get that phone, however my brother got it first and you know how siblings are.. We cant copy each other... The Galaxy S is a real nice phone, sure there are a few bugs and sure you may need to do some speed tweaks (all found on the forum) but I believe that this phone is greater than the HD mini.
In the end it is up to you. If you want to get her a phone that isn't too expensive, small and looks nice, go for this phone. If you are willing to pay a little more for the features, AMOLED screen and the operating system, go for the Galaxy S.
Hope this helps.
alex2g said:
Hi there,
The only downside to the HD Mini is that it is runs an outdated operating system. Windows phone 7 is due to come out some time in the near future and right now, Android kills Widows Mobile. So if your wife is going to use the phone for sms, agenda and the rest (i.e basic phone use), it should be fine.
If she wants the hundreds of applications available and wants to experience her phone to its limits I would recommend the Samsung Galaxy S. I was planning to get that phone, however my brother got it first and you know how siblings are.. We cant copy each other... The Galaxy S is a real nice phone, sure there are a few bugs and sure you may need to do some speed tweaks (all found on the forum) but I believe that this phone is greater than the HD mini.
In the end it is up to you. If you want to get her a phone that isn't too expensive, small and looks nice, go for this phone. If you are willing to pay a little more for the features, AMOLED screen and the operating system, go for the Galaxy S.
Hope this helps.
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Galaxy S runs android?
if so to get that the htc desire is better no?
alex2g said:
The only downside to the HD Mini is that it is runs an outdated operating system.
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Thats your personal opinion.
alex2g said:
Windows phone 7 is due to come out some time in the near future and right now
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Actually there are people like me, who's hangin on to WM with our claws. Because we get lots of options, great hackability, copy/paste, multitasking, bla bla bla..
alex2g said:
Android kills Widows Mobile.
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WTF!? According to what benchmark? Your personal opinion? IMO WM kick's yeverything else's arse. See above.
Qtek8020User said:
Thats your personal opinion.
Actually there are people like me, who's hangin on to WM with our claws. Because we get lots of options, great hackability, copy/paste, multitasking, bla bla bla..
WTF!? According to what benchmark? Your personal opinion? IMO WM kick's yeverything else's arse. See above.
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Yes according to my personal opinion. That's what the topic is, so don't flame me for posting my PERSONAL thoughts on the HD mini...
I really like my HD Mini. I use it for SMS, Phone, Web and Email (mostly in that order).
I've sometimes wished I'd gone for an Android model, but I'd say the HD Mini beats all other handsets hands down.
Why? It has excellent battery life, an excellent screen, small and compact, not forgetting built in GPS which allows for hand held navigation (I use Ndrive). I also happen to think it looks great too.
All in, I'd give it 9 out of 10. It only loses marks for being Windows Mobile 6.5 (which is a little clunky, though very well hidden by Sense), not being able to mark emails as read from the Sense email reader (why?) and being a slightly odd screen size (HVGA) which means some programs may refuse to run, or look squashed. Though the screen being a smaller size, makes it smaller...Which I like...
Hi people. Haven't been here in ages though I used to visit this forum on a daily basis in the past.
Anyway, I came back for old times' sake and see that people are still using this phone. It's a rather old model.
It's a rather cool phone at that time, waited a long time and got it with my first paycheck. Turned out to be a rather horrible experience and now I am happily with iPhone and considering changing to WP7 because MS > Apple. ^^
Anyway, back to the thread title. Why are you guys still using this phone?
is a good phone even if it has wm6.1
I got a x10 and the other is with my dad, it really keeps working flawlesly
The best model ever. it's exclusive and beautiful
Still lovin' & using this
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exclusive and beautiful
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phone.
No demand for a new one...
i'm still using it - it may be about the 10th different handset but its still the X1! but i used the Hd7 in a shop yesterday and its just so smooth compared to x1! the only reason i've stuck with it is that it does what i need it to do and i have no money for a new one :/
comeradealexi said:
the only reason i've stuck with it is that it does what i need it to do and i have no money for a new one :/
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same lol.. But I love HTC surround... too bad it's not in Malaysia anytime soon
It's great - once you learn how to drive it.
Love the optical mouse & the slide out Keyboard.
I've found an app to suit my every purpose (TomTom, SPB News for RSS, & Pocket Player, & G-Alarm).
Currently using the Sony Ericsson Panel, which displays all the info I need; two analogue clocks, weather for two cities (only current temp and conditions - don't need a five day forecast on my home screen), calendar, messages etc.
I've tried a couple of different ROMs, but have gone back to basics with the 6.1.
^ which is why I like the look of the new Windows Phone 7. Good simple layout.
The home screen is really important to me - which an iPhone doesn't even have.
I will consider the WP7 if the tile screen can be customise to what I want… & if the handsets are any good.
1. Keyboard
2. Multiple ROMs can be flashed
3. Stability
4. Price (I can afford it )
because I am the boss of my SD cards and can put you want
because it is small and has a great battery
because some things are done with a custom rom that you can not even I win7
because I do not like iPhone
because the phone has a hardware button on phone off
simply because it has nothing on this planet
perhaps X2 but it does not have hard spl
Would like to have a new phone, but they are too expencive. Dont want to give a mobile phone lot of money anymore.
'Tron said:
It's great - once you learn how to drive it.
Love the optical mouse & the slide out Keyboard.
I've found an app to suit my every purpose (TomTom, SPB News for RSS, & Pocket Player, & G-Alarm).
Currently using the Sony Ericsson Panel, which displays all the info I need; two analogue clocks, weather for two cities (only current temp and conditions - don't need a five day forecast on my home screen), calendar, messages etc.
I've tried a couple of different ROMs, but have gone back to basics with the 6.1.
^ which is why I like the look of the new Windows Phone 7. Good simple layout.
The home screen is really important to me - which an iPhone doesn't even have.
I will consider the WP7 if the tile screen can be customise to what I want… & if the handsets are any good.
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My reasons mirror Tom's exactly. I'm lazy. My X1 works, it has music, navigation, activesync, and office available to me, and I can't be bothered right now to make sure that whatever I upgrade to has alternatives for everything I use.
I'm not even using a custom ROM anymore. I just use the panels to change the face whenever I get bored or need a task specific homescreen (like On-the Road Panel when I'm driving or Skype Panel when I'm abroad).
My X1 is a lot faster and more stable than when I was running 6.5 on the phone. As for switching to another platform... in good time. I had an iPhone and gave it away... this was before decent navigation apps and multiasking were available on the iPhone.
There is no alternative isnt there? Win7 sucks. There are some other devices with the same CPU so not really a step up. There is just no 1ghz hardware keyboard Win Mobile device available. So why shouldnt people still use the X1?
Well actually I'm using it the whole time because it helps me with all the things I do, from work e.g. remote desktop w/c WP7 doesn't have yet, video call calling love one's from abroad WP7 doesn't have, music to help me relax,easy chat with the hardware keyboard, i could also watch movie with it after i downloaded it from the internet without converting it (.avi), using it as a modem (HSDPA) if i want to connect to the internet when i'm not at home ( connecting it to a laptop) and last is that i could connect to any WIFI hotspot. I'm just sad that i can't play flash games anymore now that skyfire stop the support. If anyone knows a new browser that support flash kindly share it thank you.. =)
thinking that im still using x1 one more year then swap to WP7 because ATM WP7 is damn expensive and at introduction stage, with little game, application. by the way, x1 still does a really good job for day-to-day basic tasks
I love this phone. The screen is still very good when compared to other models on the market, watching a movie in 800 X 480 on your mobile is an impressive experience. The hardware keyboard is very useful for communicating vià messenger or for writing long emails. I had to clean it once and know it's just as when the phone was new. I enjoy the freedom of Windows Mobile 6.1 compared to the other operating systems on the market, the ability to side load apps and tweak the phone in every way I'd like to. Those and some other reasons make me believe that the best I can do know is to stick with the Xperia X1 and to see how Android and Windows Phone 7 are developing. Man I really hope that someone will be able to crack open WP7 or Microsoft will come to the decision that it's necessary to loosen the restrictions on WP7.
easy: it has a hw-keyboard. i want that.
so far there hasn't been a device to which i would upgrade. there was the milestone, but turned out it's locked, and i don't want to be dependant from the manufacturer for updates.
i'm now waiting how the desire z turns out and what comes with wp7.
The only reason I left the X1 was because of the camera and video camera. I have the cutest baby daughter so I always want to capture spontaneous pictures and video, often in low light conditions. I switched to the Nokia N8, which isn't as bad as you might think. Text input is atrocious, but everything else is pretty nice. I just predicted that no manufacturer will put a xenon flash 720p camera on a QWERTY slide-out keyboard phone, so I might as well swallow the bitter pill of converting to a capacitive keyboardless phone now.
Otherwise, the *only other* unfixable flaw with the X1 was the sluggishness (overclocking never worked). So, all-in-all, X1 is a great phone; I just wish Sony had taken the next step and made a hard-core upgrade that could compete against the Droid 2 Global and the HTC Desire Z.
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Otherwise, the *only other* unfixable flaw with the X1 was the sluggishness (overclocking never worked). So, all-in-all, X1 is a great phone;
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^ yeah, in the weekend I was using the X1 one to listen to music, while taking pictures, & navigating using Google maps.. + email was active syncing. It was all a bit much for the X1 & was forced to soft reset.
I don't have experience with any other smart phones, but I'm hoping the new WP7 can handle doing all that and more.
I just need to be patient & wait for the prices to come down.. and for more live tile apps to be developed.
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^ yeah, in the weekend I was using the X1 one to listen to music, while taking pictures, & navigating using Google maps.. + email was active syncing. It was all a bit much for the X1 & was forced to soft reset.
I don't have experience with any other smart phones, but I'm hoping the new WP7 can handle doing all that and more.
I just need to be patient & wait for the prices to come down.. and for more live tile apps to be developed.
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Greetings to fellow Wellingtonian!!!
I got my Xperia flashed, updated and optimized to the hilt with everything I can possibly need, had GPS setup, voice control, other bits and pieces, selected the voices I liked and became very happy with what I have. The keyboard is a frustrating quality control muck up, but I mostly use my Xperia for internet anyway, so not a huge deal. It's just one of the handsets I use on a regular basis, have no intentions of sticking with it forever, of course, but then the only one I intend to stick forever with is my HTC Universal, an old and reliable beast that may lack in specs, but more than makes up in design.
Speaking of WP7. I had a lovely WP7 UI ported to Xperia and was very pleased with result, just waiting for it to be properly tweaked and kitted out and for me to get sick and tired of Cookie's offerings. Otherwise is was running rather well, so will potentially be my next thing.
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My reasons mirror Tom's exactly. I'm lazy. My X1 works, it has music, navigation, activesync, and office available to me, and I can't be bothered right now to make sure that whatever I upgrade to has alternatives for everything I use.
I'm not even using a custom ROM anymore. I just use the panels to change the face whenever I get bored or need a task specific homescreen (like On-the Road Panel when I'm driving or Skype Panel when I'm abroad).
My X1 is a lot faster and more stable than when I was running 6.5 on the phone. As for switching to another platform... in good time. I had an iPhone and gave it away... this was before decent navigation apps and multiasking were available on the iPhone.
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I just gave a new X1 to my wife. She likes its looks but complains its too slooooow. Any suggestions for speeding it up without using a custom ROM?
Thanks!
And it worked. Got Mango'd and updated. Woohoo.
In May I left for android. WP hardware is just 2nd or even 3rd class in comparison. However, I do like windows phone. In looking at the upcoming releases, and the partnership with Nokia, the hardware gap should close.
So I turned the dell on for grins. And I still like it. My current droid is the bionic. No comparison, hardware wise. But is wise, WP is the way to go.
With the new leadership over at Microsoft, and Nokia in the mix, the future looks good...imo.
I'll probably wait on Apollo, but look forward to the move back.
I have been on android for years and just can't go back to it. Reminds me of Windows ME. It is a necessary evil.
I have a few Dell Streaks and I just updated 1 to see if gingerbread helped at all, and it did not. Mind you I unbloated, deoxded and cleaned it out and it is still slow, chunky and very annoying to wait for.
My mango dvp so far is the best OS i have had. It is simple, it works, and it is quick. I have easily over 100 apps on my dvp and it doesn't slow down..
the kicker for me is..
I can have bluetooth headset on, navigon navigation running, do a voice text back and forth and not miss a beat. Something I could never do on any android device and I had a few.
I think Apple and MS have the right idea when it comes to having a closed OS. I am sick of manufactures loading garbage like Samsung and HTC.
Thinking about the lumia 900.
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I have been on android for years and just can't go back to it. Reminds me of Windows ME. It is a necessary evil.
I have a few Dell Streaks and I just updated 1 to see if gingerbread helped at all, and it did not. Mind you I unbloated, deoxded and cleaned it out and it is still slow, chunky and very annoying to wait for.
My mango dvp so far is the best OS i have had. It is simple, it works, and it is quick. I have easily over 100 apps on my dvp and it doesn't slow down..
the kicker for me is..
I can have bluetooth headset on, navigon navigation running, do a voice text back and forth and not miss a beat. Something I could never do on any android device and I had a few.
I think Apple and MS have the right idea when it comes to having a closed OS. I am sick of manufactures loading garbage like Samsung and HTC.
Thinking about the lumia 900.
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Yeah, I'm looking at it too. I can't wai. I may delay until laer in the year to see what verizon does though. Problem is, tmobile only has low end phones. Don't care for att. Verizon is so android and so mad at ms, windows phone will not be included.
My bionic is far superior to any windows phone, hardware wise. But the operating system on my dvp...I love it. I won't mind paying full price for a new windows phone that has acceptable hardware.
fingers cross for next year's rumored "wp super phones" with apollo.
weatherx said:
fingers cross for next year's rumored "wp super phones" with apollo.
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I can't imagine a super phone from Microsoft. I would rather have an Operating system on the phone that will link 'all' of the Microsoft features and services, without gimmicks. I would love skydrive to be more versatile. I would love to be able to stream my music from a skydrive like cloud. In fact, a do more cloud presense, with flexibility would be great. I like how Google and Amazon Music allow streaming. Zune is fine, I like it and have a subscription. But I want that cloud storage access.
After being in the Android world for most of the year, I see great ideas, but horrible quality control. Its too freakish...though I have the Bionic....I really want to be back on Windows phone. Hardware is the ONLY reason I am not.
I read somewhere about speed of the dual core phones vs the single core. What came into play was the amount of available RAM. Many Windows phones have 512 or less RAM. Most new Androids are all at 1g. Some people are pointing to this as part of the speed difference many people associate with processor.
I think consistency and steady improvement will bring Windows Phone back. Anyone read the article online the other day about the mismarketing of Windows phone and how it would have been better off being markedted as the xPhone????
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I can't imagine a super phone from Microsoft. I would rather have an Operating system on the phone that will link 'all' of the Microsoft features and services, without gimmicks. I would love skydrive to be more versatile. I would love to be able to stream my music from a skydrive like cloud. In fact, a do more cloud presense, with flexibility would be great. I like how Google and Amazon Music allow streaming. Zune is fine, I like it and have a subscription. But I want that cloud storage access.
After being in the Android world for most of the year, I see great ideas, but horrible quality control. Its too freakish...though I have the Bionic....I really want to be back on Windows phone. Hardware is the ONLY reason I am not.
I read somewhere about speed of the dual core phones vs the single core. What came into play was the amount of available RAM. Many Windows phones have 512 or less RAM. Most new Androids are all at 1g. Some people are pointing to this as part of the speed difference many people associate with processor.
I think consistency and steady improvement will bring Windows Phone back. Anyone read the article online the other day about the mismarketing of Windows phone and how it would have been better off being markedted as the xPhone????
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i've seen pretty convincing arguments on why more ram doesn't really benefit windows phone, given allocations to apps--it's somewhere on xda. and honestly at this point i haven't seen convincing evidence that dual core does what they claim to do (i.e. LOWER power consumption compared to single core at low load). seriously, look at the battery capacity of dual core phones. some extra cpu speed is nice, but that's not where the bottleneck is.
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i've seen pretty convincing arguments on why more ram doesn't really benefit windows phone, given allocations to apps--it's somewhere on xda. and honestly at this point i haven't seen convincing evidence that dual core does what they claim to do (i.e. LOWER power consumption compared to single core at low load). seriously, look at the battery capacity of dual core phones. some extra cpu speed is nice, but that's not where the bottleneck is.
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I agree with you on that. I have my dell, on wifi, running along side my bionic on wifi. The dell doesn't handle my wifi n very well.... but....side by side...the bionic is faster in access. alot faster....no...just enough to notice. Some apps run better on the bionic compared to the dell....like facebook and twitter. Working with the bank of america app, the dell was better.
but what I really noticed was the battery. I am approaching 48 hrs on my dell, and I'm at 40%. I've had to recharge the bionic 3 times in that same timeframe. To be honest, it could be the LTE. But, i've been home for most of that 48hrs. So I've been on wifi. The bionic is supposed to override the lte when wifi is on. I don't know if this is an android thing...or an lte thing or what.
Just watched the Nokia presentation at CES and the introduction of the Lumia 900. Unless something else comes up...that might be my next phone.
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I can't imagine a super phone from Microsoft. I would rather have an Operating system on the phone that will link 'all' of the Microsoft features and services, without gimmicks. I would love skydrive to be more versatile. I would love to be able to stream my music from a skydrive like cloud. In fact, a do more cloud presense, with flexibility would be great. I like how Google and Amazon Music allow streaming. Zune is fine, I like it and have a subscription. But I want that cloud storage access.
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Have you tried the SkyDrive App ? load your music up and stream away !
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Have you tried the SkyDrive App ? load your music up and stream away !
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I loaded it but did not look at it....trying it now. If it does what you say....next stop Nokia 900
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I loaded it but did not look at it....trying it now. If it does what you say....next stop Nokia 900
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won't stream. it will do a 1:1 song play...unless I missed something