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For those of you wondering what phones will and will not get Gingerbread, or the tards (or just diehard wishful thinkers) that think Verizon will just skip right over FroYo and go to Gingerbread, this is an official quote from Verizon:
"Google's just-announced Gingerbread software is generating buzz in the media.
Initially, it is not available on the Verizon Wireless lineup of Android phones.
BUT ... we're working with Google as they release source code for device manufacturers to begin integration. We are also assessing which devices will get Gingerbread within the coming months.
Stay tuned - more information will be available soon."
So that means, they won't even begin ASSESSING what phones receive the updates for MONTHS. Not days, not weeks, MONTHS. So those hoping to see Gingerbread anytime soon, well, sorry to burst your bubble, but its not happening. Those thinking FroYo was delayed to bake its bug fixes into Ginger, well, they'd have to delay it for months. Lets hope this is not the case....
Don't ask where I got the quote from....'tis not your concern
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It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months. Either way, I say end of March would be the soonest any device would see an official update, likely going to be over half-way through the year with LTE devices being released before most have Gingerbread though.
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It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months. Either way, I say end of March would be the soonest any device would see an official update, likely going to be over half-way through the year with LTE devices being released before most have Gingerbread though.
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Assess how ???? There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ???? And even if they did, they won't bother working on the next build UNTIL a carrier requests for them to. They don't just start devoting resources to developing a build that may never be released....
This is unfortunately just again, hopeful wishing and you trying to justify accordingly. I don't know why I bother
I promise you, you won't see any Verizon devices with official Gingerbread builds until April/May at the earliest. They decide what phones are going to have it, then they turn it and a bug fix list over to the OEM, and they will wait for builds. Then, they get builds and start testing, which can take another few months.
At least you're not still hoping they'll skip over FroYo and straight to this....
Who really cares about gingerbread anyway. I'm very satisfied with DJ05 update, roms/kernals/themes. I can now wait patiently for froyo and... not even concern myself with when/where gingerbread will be released.
I never said they were skipping Froyo
I'm just saying there are two ways you could read their statement. A better way to word it in the manner that you are stating it would be something like "In the coming months, we will be assessing which devices will get Gingerbread".
To me, the way it is worded means more that they put their devices that are out in a line and pick which they will update and which they won't, then put a timeline on when they'd like to see the updates start coming.
To say that OEMs don't have code for Gingerbread right now, especially Samsung, seems a little naive really. We may not have source code, but I can't imagine Google not sharing it with OEM partners so that they can start working with it.
Truthfully, I couldn't care less when the update arrives as I'll probably wait to see what the developers can do with it before updating. But this doesn't say anything about when any device will receive the update and what devices won't get it. It just says that we have a few months before we are likely to see it in any official form, and I don't think anyone was expecting it any sooner, especially from Big Red.
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I never said they were skipping Froyo
I'm just saying there are two ways you could read their statement. A better way to word it in the manner that you are stating it would be something like "In the coming months, we will be assessing which devices will get Gingerbread".
To me, the way it is worded means more that they put their devices that are out in a line and pick which they will update and which they won't, then put a timeline on when they'd like to see the updates start coming.
To say that OEMs don't have code for Gingerbread right now, especially Samsung, seems a little naive really. We may not have source code, but I can't imagine Google not sharing it with OEM partners so that they can start working with it.
Truthfully, I couldn't care less when the update arrives as I'll probably wait to see what the developers can do with it before updating. But this doesn't say anything about when any device will receive the update and what devices won't get it. It just says that we have a few months before we are likely to see it in any official form, and I don't think anyone was expecting it any sooner, especially from Big Red.
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Samsung has code obviously, without it, they couldn't have built the Nexus S. And I doubt Google builds the "Nexus" software because of all the little nuances of the code interacting with drivers and so forth (RIL ring a bell????), but I could be wrong, I don't work for either Google or Samsung.
I doubt the other OEM's have any builds running yet, as evidenced by the very first reference to builds, where they say that they are working with OEM's AS GOOGLE releases source code for them to integrate into their phones, but people can take it for what they wish.
I just put the quote out there verbatim. Do with it what you will.
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Assess how ???? There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ???? And even if they did, they won't bother working on the next build UNTIL a carrier requests for them to. They don't just start devoting resources to developing a build that may never be released....
This is unfortunately just again, hopeful wishing and you trying to justify accordingly. I don't know why I bother
I promise you, you won't see any Verizon devices with official Gingerbread builds until April/May at the earliest. They decide what phones are going to have it, then they turn it and a bug fix list over to the OEM, and they will wait for builds. Then, they get builds and start testing, which can take another few months.
At least you're not still hoping they'll skip over FroYo and straight to this....
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Actually I don't know how many times this has been said. Google releases their OS source not so long after their press release. It is the OEMs who have to release their kernel for us to develop anything. We've had 2.3 code for awhile now but we don't have kernel. They just released Nexus One kernel like yesterday so they'll get it pretty soon. People, Google's OS code and OEM kernel are two different things. We always had code source pretty fast at hand.
The fact that I'm super-skeptical of these unsourced-but-supposedly-from-Verizon quotes aside, I think imnuts has a point here.
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It could also mean be interpreted as they are assessing the devices now to have the update(s) rolled out in the coming months.
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According to the rules of grammar, he's right. The order matters: since the clause "will get gingerbread within the coming months" comes after "which devices," not "we are assessing," it refers to the former. Had the quote been "We are also assessing within the coming months which devices will get Gingerbread," then it would be the other way around.
But that aside, even more importantly, saying a process will happen "within the coming months" doesn't mean that the process won't start for months. It means something is likely to be ongoing and could be done within one month, six months, or anything in between (or longer). Ultimately, that's the kind of wording people use when they want to remain intentionally vague, and we really can't read a timeline one way or the other from it. Especially when it comes to mobile carriers and software updates.
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There is no source code to work with, the OEM's have not released Gingerbread builds as Googlele hasn't dropped any into AOSP yet (correct me if I'm wrong), so how would you like Samsung or Motorola to like working on builds when they don't have the source code ????
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Well, for starters, Samsung obviously has had the 2.3 source code for quite some time considering they have a Gingerbread phone coming out tomorrow. We also know Motorola has the 3.0 code seeing as how they're working on at least one already-functional Honeycomb device. The only one we can say definitely doesn't have 2.3 is LG, because they said so (though they also said 2.3 required a 1ghz processor in the same breath, which turned out to be a complete lie, so it's hard to trust them). But clearly, AOSP gets the code just a tad later than at least some OEMs do.
Google may launch Android 5.0 Jelly Bean in 2Q12
Viewing that the adoption of Android 4.0 has fallen short of original expectations and Microsoft will launch Windows 8 in the third quarter of 2012, Google is likely to launch Android 5.0 (Jelly Bean) in the second quarter and appeal for adopting Android 5.0 and Windows 8 in the same tablet PC, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.
Android 5.0 will be further optimized for tablet PCs, while Google will also integrate its Chrome system functions to push dual-operating system designs. Brand vendors can either choose to adopt only Android 5.0 or add Android 5.0 to Windows 8 devices with the ability to switch between the two OSes without the need to shut down the computer.
Through Android 5.0, Google also wishes to earn another chance to enter the notebook and netbook markets.
However, since Android 4.0 did not perform as well as expected, several of Google's downstream partners are turning conservative about Android 5.0.
Source http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120215PD209.html
Finally folks will quit fussing about not having ICS yet. Now they will start fussing about not having Jelly Bean..........
This seems completely absurd. What does it mean by companies arent adopting ICS?? Arent we seeing lists of dates when ICS will be updated to HTc, Motorola, Acer, Asus hardware? Why would I want to boot into windows 8? Pure internets hogwash.
Microsoft has stated that Windows 8 tablets will have secure-boot meaning you will not be allowed/able to install another OS on the tablet, so how could Google promise to be able to switch between Android and Windows?
Weird article, a lot of loose claims about poor adoption of ICS and OEMs being wary about it (implied that they may be considering windows 8 instead) with no information whatsoever to back up those claims.
Honestly this reads just like one of those old-school, Microsoft-sponsored FUD pieces of yore.
I guess will start seeing tons of threads with polls on the release date for JB. I am sure people will be threatening to trade their TF for an ipad if it is not released by July 4th. It appears that OS development has be come a war of anticipation rather than actual delivered product.
Reeonimus said:
Microsoft has stated that Windows 8 tablets will have secure-boot meaning you will not be allowed/able to install another OS on the tablet, so how could Google promise to be able to switch between Android and Windows?
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Afaik it's not mandatory for OEMs to include secure-boot.
I think Digitimes is losing something in their translation from their Taiwanese supply contacts. We can pretty safely assume, that Jellybean will not be released in Q2 2012. It will likely be previewed at Google I/O (which is in Q2) and released in late Q4 2012 with the new nexus device. Also, the version number is more likely to be 4.1 not 5.0 since Jellybean will be building upon the new interface paradigms introduced in ICS. Similar to how Froyo and GB were point releases after Eclair.
That's my gut feeling anyway, for what its worth.
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Microsoft has stated that Windows 8 tablets will have secure-boot meaning you will not be allowed/able to install another OS on the tablet, so how could Google promise to be able to switch between Android and Windows?
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Partially true.
Windows 8 ARM based tablets do have to have secure boot enabled, it can't be disabled, only signed OS's will boot, and only MS can sign the OS's, so basically for ARM based Windows 8 tablets (at least if the company selling it wants the "Windows 8" sticker), they will be locked to MS, until someone hacks it.
For x86 based Windows 8 tablets and PC's, they must ship with secure boot enabled, but you will be able to disable that in Bios/Uefi and load OS's without signed bootloaders (like android, linux, etc).
Basically the same situation we have now. ARM based tablets from Google partners and Apple have a locked bootloader, so no other OS can be loaded, unless you hack it.
tmcquake said:
I think Digitimes is losing something in their translation from their Taiwanese supply contacts. We can pretty safely assume, that Jellybean will not be released in Q2 2012. It will likely be previewed at Google I/O (which is in Q2) and released in late Q4 2012 with the new nexus device. Also, the version number is more likely to be 4.1 not 5.0 since Jellybean will be building upon the new interface paradigms introduced in ICS. Similar to how Froyo and GB were point releases after Eclair.
That's my gut feeling anyway, for what its worth.
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It does seem like a quick transition from ICS to Jelly Bean... I agree with you.
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I think Digitimes is losing something in their translation from their Taiwanese supply contacts. We can pretty safely assume, that Jellybean will not be released in Q2 2012. It will likely be previewed at Google I/O (which is in Q2) and released in late Q4 2012 with the new nexus device. Also, the version number is more likely to be 4.1 not 5.0 since Jellybean will be building upon the new interface paradigms introduced in ICS. Similar to how Froyo and GB were point releases after Eclair.
That's my gut feeling anyway, for what its worth.
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1, Google announced it will push updates to Android every 6th month. So counting from November 17th, it would be around the middle of May. It won't be previewed, but released at Google I/O, with the new Nexus device (just as before, and also probably the attendants are getting a free device too).
2, Google told, that from now on, with ICS, they are stepping in major version numbers for each main release. So JB is for sure 5.0.x, and ICS will be 4.x going on.
JoTeC said:
It does seem like a quick transition from ICS to Jelly Bean... I agree with you.
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Companies are moving to quicker and quicker release cycles with less and less content. Really small, focused updates. Google themselves basically started this trend (or popularized it if they didn't actually start it) with the Chrome browser, which releases frequently. You have have noticed that FireFox has gone from version 3.x to version 10.1 in record time, as they have adopted the same mentality. I would not be shocked at all to see Google apply it to Andorid, and we start seeing Android 5, 6, 7, etc., at a rapid pace.
EDIT: oops, fonix232 beat me to it.
fonix232 said:
1, Google announced it will push updates to Android every 6th month. So counting from November 17th, it would be around the middle of May. It won't be previewed, but released at Google I/O, with the new Nexus device (just as before, and also probably the attendants are getting a free device too).
2, Google told, that from now on, with ICS, they are stepping in major version numbers for each main release. So JB is for sure 5.0.x, and ICS will be 4.x going on.
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My post was speculation, you seem to be stating facts. What sources are you basing this on (besides just stating "Google told")?
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My post was speculation, you seem to be stating facts. What sources are you basing this on (besides just stating "Google told")?
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I base my facts on reading the news and their announces from various pages, including Android Blog (d.android.com), XDA itself, AndroidPolice, and many other news sites, Google's and Jean-Baptiste Queru's (head of Android development, the talks-guy, pretty awesome dude!) Twitter, and many more.
fonix232 said:
I base my facts on reading the news and their announces from various pages, including Android Blog (d.android.com), XDA itself, AndroidPolice, and many other news sites, Google's and Jean-Baptiste Queru's (head of Android development, the talks-guy, pretty awesome dude!) Twitter, and many more.
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Good for you buddy, high five. Could you post some links then?
Does this come from anywhere besides Digitimes? They have a pretty hit and miss record for reporting the news.
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Good for you buddy, high five. Could you post some links then?
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Do you seriously want me to look back half or even a year old entries on sites what are growing like 10post/day?
fonix232 said:
Do you seriously want me to look back half or even a year old entries on sites what are growing like 10post/day?
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Yes, seriously. Tell you what, provide 1 link that backs up your post.
Listen, don't take it personally. I don't know you so I can't take you at your word. I just want to something that backs up your claims. I follow android development pretty closely and I haven't read anywhere that android releases will be pushed to 6 months apart and all new releases will be full version numbers. AFAIK The last time that google commented on android development cycles was here,
http://androidandme.com/2010/06/news/interviews/android-will-move-to-a-yearly-update-cycle/
I just want a source so I can be better educated on the subject. It's not personal.
JoTeC said:
Viewing that the adoption of Android 4.0 has fallen short of original expectations and Microsoft will launch Windows 8 in the third quarter of 2012, Google is likely to launch Android 5.0 (Jelly Bean) in the second quarter and appeal for adopting Android 5.0 and Windows 8 in the same tablet PC, according to Taiwan-based supply chain makers.
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Oh, goodie, another rushed Android release. Because that just went *so* damned well with Honeycomb.
Seriously, if this has a grain of truth to it, Google need to get a clue, and finish writing and testing their software properly before they release it.
I want a source straight from the horse's mouth. Digitimes is a garbage source and all of the articles I've seen so far are equally garbage because they cite Digitimes which is a garbage source.
Nothing is authoritative here, there are no statements from Google.
efore Ice Cream Sandwich has managed to reach more than 1% of Android devices, reports are suggesting that its successor, Android 5.0 ‘Jelly Bean’, could launch as soon as June.
The news comes in the form of a Digitimes report, which is known for being hit-and-miss with its accuracy, but cites supply chain sources that state the search giant will seek to release its new Android platform to provide competition to Microsoft’s new Windows 8 operating system, which will debut in the third quarter.
With Android 5.0 thought to deliver yet more features for tablet devices, Taiwanese suppliers are already to deliver dual-OS tablets and notebooks, which will be able to instantly switch between Google’s and Microsoft’s mobile-friendly platforms.
Despite officially launching with the release of the Galaxy Nexus at the end of last year, Ice Cream Sandwich has yet to reach the majority of new Android smartphones and is only expected to receive a boost in take-up when the world’s biggest mobile vendors release new devices at Mobile World Congress, commencing at the end of the month.
By February, Gingerbread (in particular versions Android versions 2.3.3 - 2.3.7) accounted for 58.6% of Android gadgets, while the latest flavour accounted for just one percent of devices.
It is believed that Google will use its new Android release to galvanise its re-entry into the notebook and netbook markets, after Chromebook sales failed to take off. As a result, Google’s partners are reported to be “conservative” about utilising the new platform.
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Well, this isn't very much Wildfire related as official support from CyanogenMod ended at Gingerbread, and this will be, by the looks of it, just for tablets and notebooks.
Official support will return with ics the unofficial port of cm 9 is very stable already
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LSD DREAMER said:
Official support will return with ics the unofficial port of cm 9 is very stable already
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That's a strong statement to say about the unofficial port of cm9 as not all features work yet. eg camera etc.. I wouldn't class it stable yet! but with people working at it, it may in time.
Oh I don't think it will become official, sorry to say, time to move on folks
... But if it does, congrats.
I do miss my wildfire though. But i got my SGS on a cheap contract $30 a month so couldn't pass it up.
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apollopayne said:
That's a strong statement to say about the unofficial port of cm9 as not all features work yet. eg camera etc.. I wouldn't class it stable yet! but with people working at it, it may in time.
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But then the camera doesn't work on many ICS roms.
Even if we don't get official support we got ErwinP
Hes doing a pretty good job with it.
It was smooth enough when i OC'ed to 652Mhz.
Even tho ICS is mostly in the beta stage for the EVO 4G,Android 5.0 might be pushed out in the summer to beat windows to the punch on the realese of windows 8 for tablets so soon we might get some new goodies for Evo 4g and other devices.
Not likely, though Google execs implied that it could be rolling out in the fall.
"After Android 4 comes 5, and we haven't announced the timing yet, which we're still sorting out," Lockheimer said in an interview with Computerworld on Monday. "There's a lot of engineering work still behind it -- and there's also the question of how to time it.
"In general," he added. "the Android release cadence is one major release a year with some maintenance releases that are substantial still."
That statement would imply a fall 2012 release of Android 5.0, given that Android 4.0 was released last November, he acknowledged.
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Summer would be cool though
Google will most likely try to get 5.0 out close to the time win8 and the iphoney 5 are released to compete with them im thinking probably early to mid summer since last year we had 2 releases gb at beginning of year and ICS towards the end 5.0 was actually put into development shortly after ICS was but is apparently alot more complex than any previous builds and may even be capable of running on other platforms such as home computers similar to win8
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Hey,
While they might complete android 5.0 early they wont release it till other phones with windows and Ios put out their new software just to keep the market competitive, as cool as it would be to get it early! But we just are getting ics, so we can wait for the latest greatest!
Stevo
Android engineer:"waiting 5 months for ICS is reasonable"
READ HERE:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/android-engineer-waiting-5-months-for-ics-is-reasonable-50007782/
How long should you have to wait to get the latest version of Android? Well a software engineer at Google reckons five months is perfectly reasonable.
Jean-Baptiste Queru, a Google software engineer working on Android, posted on his Google Plus page about the Sony Tablet S getting the bump to Ice Cream Sandwich, the latest version of the operating system. "It took Sony only about 5 months to ship this after I released the code in the Android Open Source Project at the very end of last year," he wrote. "This is actually a very reasonable time, since under the hood Ice Cream Sandwich is quite different from Honeycomb (and upgrades from Gingerbread are likely to take longer as those differences are huge)."
He went on to blame operators for delays to software updates. He said he couldn't believe some flagship devices still hadn't received ICS "because of delays introduced by operator approvals." (I'm sure anyone with a SIM-free Samsung Galaxy S2 is just as incredulous). He also gave an insight into what the process is to push out these updates.
"Writing the software doesn't mean Google can deploy it immediately," Queru wrote in the comments, "there are operator approvals for devices that are sold and/or supported by operators." Previously we heard from a Motorola exec that complex modern hardware was to blame.
I've no doubt getting these updates out there is a complex process, but all us customers care about is getting our hands on the latest version quickly and easily. Your reactions to the Galaxy S2 farrago showed the frustration many are feeling, especially when companies go breaking their promises. With some devices not due the upgrade until the summer -- when Android Jelly Bean should be with us -- it does seem like the process needs streamlining somehow. A recent study showed just 1.6 per cent of Android devices are running ICS. Five months in, that's not a great stat.
I understand his reasoning with regards to it being a fresh dump, but him stating that 5 months is "perfectly reasonable" is completely ridiculous.
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We got news of the update in Febuary. This means June will be the expected month.
meskes said:
I understand his reasoning with regards to it being a fresh dump, but him stating that 5 months is "perfectly reasonable" is completely ridiculous.
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If that's how you feel, get to it! the source code is all there I wait with baited breathe for you to get it ported.
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