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I'm a Palm Pre user and in love with WebOS, but as we all know Palm is dying and probably won't last through the year. I'm awaiting the EVO but I'm curious to know if it'll be possible to put WebOS on it. I'm not looking to start a WebOS/Android flame-war, I've just gotten used to WebOS in the past year. What do you guys think, is it do-able/worth the time?
Regardless, I'll probably upgrade to the EVO if the price is right
Thanks!
Is it possible? Probably.. Will it happen? Probably not.
There's already a discussion/wish list for WinMo 6.5 to be ported to the Evo, and even that may be a longshot.
But I'd say that has a much better chance of happening than WebOS... But then, anything is possible!
I was thinking that might happen. In that case, if not a complete port of WebOS is it possible to simulate/emulate the "card" system on Android? That's really my favorite part of the OS and what sets it apart from Android. Honestly, If someone could combine both OS's we'd have one hell of a phone.
Thanks!
TaskOS is about as good as you're going to get at the moment, no previews, just icons for running processes, not as flashy as webOS, but the basic functionality is technically there.
still waiting on the announcement of google buying palm for the acquisition of patents to multi-touch that palm owns the rights to.
Along with that would be webOS... give it some time, their stocks are tanking, another quarter of record losses will put them on the table to be bought up.
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp...5&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:PALM&ntsp=0
Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?
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Well instead of waiting for someone else to do it, what would I need to do to try to port the OS? Are there any tutorials or instructions available for this sort of thing? Is it standard or does the process vary by phone? I'd love to try it, even try to intergrate some Android functionality -- I think if WebOS and Android were combined it would make the perfect phone OS.
At the very least, would it be possibe to drop the Sense UI from the EVO and just run 2.1?
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webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.
johnsongrantr said:
webOS isn't open source so you will not be able to compile it.
The open souce part of webOS would be usefull in porting android to a palm phone but not the other way around sadly.
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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Go to YouTube and find the video called "Turning an HTC Desire into a Nexus One."
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That takes some wind out of my sails. What about dropping the Sense UI in favor of just running 2.1 like the Nexus One?
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the 2.1 that the nexus one runs is AOSP http://source.android.com/ and a custom built launcher for the nexus (launcher2.apk) which is popular here on xda and is easily obtainable.
These will all come in good time after it's released and rooted and custom roms start popping up. One thing you can hope for as I wish the phone to be successful and bring much attention to wimax in general is that AOSP and cyanogen mods http://www.cyanogenmod.com/ gets ported to the EVO. It's the cleanest version of android without all the crapware that generally comes with feature phones and flagship phones.
Cyanogen mods is where's it's at in the android hacking community. Suggestion if you really get into hacking android, start with AOSP and cyanogen port to the EVO. It will teach you alot about the android OS without all the added htc jazz.
Hope for a quick release of the EVO kernel's source though... once you have that then you can get to work. Without that don't expect much success.
Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.
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Thanks for the advice! I'll start looking into them as EVO day gets closer. Are there any good tutorials for getting into Android modding/writing apps? Good ones though, not just any result from a google search.
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like writing apps for anroid? or porting andorid OS? I'm not a programmer, don't know nothing about writing apps, so someone else will have to chime in there.
As far as porting, I do not know of any point and click guides for porting, this is the documented process for the Odroid, it should be relevant to your endeavor. They wrote a step by step for compiling android on Odroid, they do however use Uboot I'm not 100% certian what HTC devices use for their bootstrap.
http://dev.odroid.com/projects/android/
Hopefully that helps some. Good luck.
EDIT: found this for building for the G1
http://source.android.com/documentation/building-for-dream
I know this may sound like a stupid question but since I saw this
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/04/12/htc-incredible-running-webos-could-drop-android/
and I've always liked the WebOS platform I thought that it must be possible considering the HD2's much superior specs 600mhz vs 1ghz, ect. The WebOS platform still has the best games of any other platform (apart from the iphone) and it would be great to be able to play them on some decent hardware. I know this might not be possible but if they put it on the incredible then it might?
Please give your thoughts, I'm still looking forward to the Android port aswell but from experience using android on my Diamond and on friend's Android phones games weren't very impressive and the pre's are!
If any developers can give their thoughts it would be much appreciated.
would be nice if we could run it but i doubt it will happen
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I know this may sound like a stupid question but since I saw this
http://www.product-reviews.net/2010/04/12/htc-incredible-running-webos-could-drop-android/
and I've always liked the WebOS platform I thought that it must be possible considering the HD2's much superior specs 600mhz vs 1ghz, ect. The WebOS platform still has the best games of any other platform (apart from the iphone) and it would be great to be able to play them on some decent hardware. I know this might not be possible but if they put it on the incredible then it might?
Please give your thoughts, I'm still looking forward to the Android port aswell but from experience using android on my Diamond and on friend's Android phones games weren't very impressive and the pre's are!
If any developers can give their thoughts it would be much appreciated.
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web os isnt opensource so it would be almost impossible to port. The devs are having a hard enough time with android lol
On the article says that it would be nice if that happened, but no one put webos on the incredible.
And at the end palm was bought for HP not for HTC
I rather android on the hd2, never try web os but web os on hd2 is not going to happened... sadly.
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Hey, thought I'd revive this thread and see if anyone other than me cared- with webOS 2 coming along maybe there's some interest in a port?
Seems not
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Hey, thought I'd revive this thread and see if anyone other than me cared- with webOS 2 coming along maybe there's some interest in a port?
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Seems not!
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Seems not!
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you gathered that from waiting 12 hours? well done
WebOS is built on the linux kernel, so it actually is open-source and I don't see a port as impossible:
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Source-code-for-Palm-WebOS-released-742117.html
orangekid said:
WebOS is built on the linux kernel, so it actually is open-source and I don't see a port as impossible:
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Source-code-for-Palm-WebOS-released-742117.html
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So would that source code mentioned on this link be the entire base of the OS? Or are there some parts that Palm kept for itself? Has anyone heard whether HP plan to release the source code for WebOS 2?
Richy99 said:
you gathered that from waiting 12 hours? well done
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yeah i could do with being a bit more patient, also thought I'd try and keep it floating. Although I'm not going to dogmatically keep it high. If only I had the time to learn and do it myself- I love what people do on here.
just wondering are developers able to port meego to our lovely htc hd2 devices...since it's lighter,more stable and eye candy...I think this gonna replace the ubuntu...Ubuntu is more for desktop or laptop...however, meego is available to handheld more devices,like nokia n900 with ARM processor...finger crossed and wait our most respect developers to do it...I definitely will appreaciate and donate when that day came...the purpose of open this thread just to collect the ideas and thoughts of hd2 users...BTW we are Linux and android lovers as well....
Cheers...
LMAO
sylau90 said:
just wondering are developers able to port meego to our lovely htc hd2 devices...since it's lighter,more stable and eye candy...I think this gonna replace the ubuntu...Ubuntu is more for desktop or laptop...however, meego is available to more devices,like nokia n900 with ARM processor...is it possible to port meego?
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probably when they open a "HD2 Meego Development"... btw I think Meego anoying...
Close this too please.... PLEEEEAAASSSSEEEE....
caedanne said:
probably when they open a "HD2 Meego Development"... btw I think Meego anoying...
Close this too please.... PLEEEEAAASSSSEEEE....
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Why you think that meego is annoying?I think it is pretty nice and functional...furthermore,it is under develope now...no full version yet...
I don't see why not. Do you know anyone who wants to port Meego for the HD2, OP?
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Why you think that meego is annoying?I think it is pretty nice and functional...furthermore,it is under develope now...no full version yet...
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i see a couple of videos on youtube... buuuuhhhh
Is it possible to run meego on HD2 instead of ubuntu?
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Btw are you trying to say, to change the ubuntu for meego???! LOOOOL
Did you imagin have a laptop in your pocket? did you?
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probably when they open a "HD2 Meego Development"... btw I think Meego anoying...
Close this too please.... PLEEEEAAASSSSEEEE....
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Meego or maemo would be great on the HD2... there are a lot of people interested in this.... i don't know why you would have a problem with this being developed. It's actually more of a true linux distro than android is.
Anyways.... I know a while back that dcordes was talking about releasing a maemo or meego build when he got a chance to. I'm sure that he's a very busy man, so we'll probably have to be patient for this.... but hopefully at some point we will see a build from somebody.
port it by youself, if nobody interested.
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Meego or maemo would be great on the HD2... there are a lot of people interested in this.... i don't know why you would have a problem with this being developed. It's actually more of a true linux distro than android is.
Anyways.... I know a while back that dcordes was talking about releasing a maemo or meego build when he got a chance to. I'm sure that he's a very busy man, so we'll probably have to be patient for this.... but hopefully at some point we will see a build from somebody.
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zarathustrax said:
Meego or maemo would be great on the HD2... there are a lot of people interested in this.... i don't know why you would have a problem with this being developed. It's actually more of a true linux distro than android is.
Anyways.... I know a while back that dcordes was talking about releasing a maemo or meego build when he got a chance to. I'm sure that he's a very busy man, so we'll probably have to be patient for this.... but hopefully at some point we will see a build from somebody.
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Hi..yeah...happy to see some positive respond...and thanks for your information,i not even know that...
Meego on HD2 makes a lot more sense than ubuntu, though I do want ubunutu as well haha.
Meego really is starting to look fairly impressive, open source, a true linux distro and Intel/Nokia are really putting money into it. Would be awesome if we could run Winmo, ubuntu, android and meego. lol, I can dream right?
Having so many OSes and choices really makes the HD2 a badass phone, what other high end phone can do the same?
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Meego on our HD2's would be brilliant! IMO Not only a great alternative to Ubuntu but to Android aswell.
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Meego on HD2 makes a lot more sense than ubuntu, though I do want ubunutu as well haha.
Meego really is starting to look fairly impressive, open source, a true linux distro and Intel/Nokia are really putting money into it. Would be awesome if we could run Winmo, ubuntu, android and meego. lol, I can dream right?
Having so many OSes and choices really makes the HD2 a badass phone, what other high end phone can do the same?
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Haha,and maybe windows phone 7...
HDee2 said:
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Meego on our HD2's would be brilliant! IMO Not only a great alternative to Ubuntu but to Android aswell.
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Great...thats true...
maemo against android? dude thats a real black humour...
meego will be a half product like maemo is, nothing more. theyre developing meego for coffe machines, ATMs and refrigerators!
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maemo against android? dude thats a real black humour...
meego will be a half product like maemo is, nothing more. theyre developing meego for coffe machines, ATMs and refrigerators!
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Complete nonsense. Meego is the main OS for all of nokia's nextgen line of high end smartphone. It is also the target OS for all of the upcoming Intel cpu based smartphones. There is a reason why there is so much investment in meego from Intel and Nokia.
Here is an old pre-alpha video of the tablet version:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0
You have to admit it looks fairly impressive, and its just a pre-alpha video.
The linux foundation also announced that meego would become the prime OS to fuel in vehicle entertainment for companies such as BMW, GM, etc.
Meego is no ATM or vending machine OS. It has lots of support and momentum behind it and I'm quite sure it will be a major upcoming mobile OS.
poweroutlet said:
Meego on HD2 makes a lot more sense than ubuntu, though I do want ubunutu as well haha.
Meego really is starting to look fairly impressive, open source, a true linux distro and Intel/Nokia are really putting money into it. Would be awesome if we could run Winmo, ubuntu, android and meego. lol, I can dream right?
Having so many OSes and choices really makes the HD2 a badass phone, what other high end phone can do the same?
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this is true... HD2 the best...
But this forum is to talk about ANDROID in HD2...
I think this thread should be moved to here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=532
I'd love to see Meego as well and I really hope the smart devs on XDA will find the time and resources to port it on the HD2 as well.
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this is true... HD2 the best...
But this forum is to talk about ANDROID in HD2...
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Indeed.
Anyway, just to make it clear, im not hating on android by any means. I absolutely love android, awesome OS. But having Meego as well would be very interesting.
Can never have too many OSes right?
the main devs siad they would make a version.
but that was before a lot works.
i thinks it isn't hard FOR CORTULLA.
ask him
I did not see news of this posted, but I'm not sure how credible the sources are because I cannot find HD2 info on the links posted, maybe you guys can understand this better.
http://www.techtree.com/India/News/HTC_HD2_gets_Android_NAND_ROM_MeeGo_11_Install/551-114013-580.html
http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/2010/12/meego-11-running-on-htcs-hd2.html
I didn't know it was possible to load Meego on the HD2 :O. Just got Android NAND, but I would like to see this on there as wel.
I watched the video how HD2 running Meego. It's laggy. Seems need some development but that video shows running Meego is possible on HD2. They's linux base anyway.
So, i will ask question in more general way:
Will i be able to test meego without deleting data of my current NAND Android?
matejdro said:
So, i will ask question in more general way:
Will i be able to test meego without deleting data of my current NAND Android?
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From what I can tell you might need windows mobile because it might need Haret to start. I am not certain though, its just a guess.
matejdro said:
So, i will ask question in more general way:
Will i be able to test meego without deleting data of my current NAND Android?
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From what I can tell you might need windows mobile because it might need Haret to start. I am not certain though, its just a guess.
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Here is a post from the dude developing it
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11174066&postcount=145
this means you can keep you Android NAND rom just fine
anyway my opinion that MEEGO future is unknown now.
Looks like Nokia plans to release first phone with X86 inside, it can means that ARM versions won't be developed at all (or won't be so cool, like X86)
As well I heard nokia plans to use own programs, which will replace MEEGO standard. It can result in bad quality of this internal programs, because all will use Nokia's own versions.
As well I don't think other manufactures will support MEEGO a lot - they have Android for choose, which is more preferable from market point of view.
Anyway, time will show the truth
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anyway my opinion that MEEGO future is unknown now.
Looks like Nokia plans to release first phone with X86 inside, it can means that ARM versions won't be developed at all (or won't be so cool, like X86)
As well I heard nokia plans to use own programs, which will replace MEEGO standard. It can result in bad quality of this internal programs, because all will use Nokia's own versions.
As well I don't think other manufactures will support MEEGO a lot - they have Android for choose, which is more preferable from market point of view.
Anyway, time will show the truth
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that's a shame, they see how successful the Android model is and then choose to do this?
i would like to see webOS on the HD2... from SD... 1+
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i would like to see webOS on the HD2... from SD... 1+
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+1
i have a Palm Pre...but the screen is to little for me...but the WebOS is awesome.!
WEBOS
Agreed, would love to see WebOS on the HD2 as well. I heard it is linux based like Android, which should make it easier to port.
But HP would be all over any developer who released it I think.
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Agreed, would love to see WebOS on the HD2 as well. I heard it is linux based like Android, which should make it easier to port.
But HP would be all over any developer who released it I think.
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Since webOS runs on the Linux kernel, it is open source. The source code must be released (and has been) per the GPL and anyone can port it if they want to, minus any proprietary apps and stuff I guess.
Cotulla said:
anyway my opinion that MEEGO future is unknown now.
Looks like Nokia plans to release first phone with X86 inside, it can means that ARM versions won't be developed at all (or won't be so cool, like X86)
As well I heard nokia plans to use own programs, which will replace MEEGO standard. It can result in bad quality of this internal programs, because all will use Nokia's own versions.
As well I don't think other manufactures will support MEEGO a lot - they have Android for choose, which is more preferable from market point of view.
Anyway, time will show the truth
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Well, Nokia is now siding with Windows Phone 7, which makes alot of sense from a buisness standpoint, but that leaves MeeGo is a strange situation. Nokia still have plans to release a MeeGo phone, but nothing seems clear after that. Theres no word if another phone manufacturer will pick it up for themselves. Right now MeeGo is in between a rock and a hard place.
t's laggy. Seems need some development but that video shows running Meego is possible on HD2
So, any plans to bring WebOS to the HD2, now that it's opensource?
webOS is a good OS, but i hope devs will continue on meego first
What has WebOS got to do with Ubuntu?
What has WebOS got to do with Android or WM?)
WebOS isn't yet open-sourced, HP just said it will do that. No sources are available as of now, and it's silly to ask when it'll be ported to HD2 if we even don't know when sources will be available. But, it might me easier to port than meego, as meego's most interesting version (from nokia n9) is closed-source, and opensource meego is, according to devs, not much usable.
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What has WebOS got to do with Android or WM?)
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What has your question got to do with price of fish?
My question was in relation to him putting this topic in the Ubuntu section when it should have been the HD2 General section.
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WebOS isn't yet open-sourced, HP just said it will do that. No sources are available as of now, and it's silly to ask when it'll be ported to HD2 if we even don't know when sources will be available. But, it might me easier to port than meego, as meego's most interesting version (from nokia n9) is closed-source, and opensource meego is, according to devs, not much usable.
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Web OS is open source..
http://opensource.palm.com/packages.html
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Web OS is open source..
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This one looks like kernel (and possibly some other GPL-ed components) sources. And it is there probably since a long time. So no, WebOS isn't open source yet.
Sorry for posting the question here. I thought , as nobody really looks at the meego board anymore, I should ask it here as the guys'n'gals that are into porting Ubuntu to the HD2 are a little more hardcore and thus apt to give an honest perspective on whether or not this could happen. I read on the Verge that someone had it running on the Evo 3D so maybe it isn't that far fetched.
As I have understood some of the UI/UX stuff is not open source yet.
We shall come back to this discussion when it's time for that.
WebOS? I'm still waitng for further development of Ubuntu! Sound? Calls? Magldr?
Bumping for interest and the sake of prosperity for our mighty HD2...
Face it Meego is going nowhere slow, if anywhere at all... With the announcements of nokia going to wp. Ubuntu is making very small but slow baby steps...
So why not stir up a craze that'd baffle the internet media once again with the viral power of what the HD2 can do?
It's been ported to many other HTC devices so why not our HD2? We can't just let it die with millions of android and wp builds and lack of interest in other projects such as linux and meego, so I only see one other hurdle to jump that being WebOS.
Well, we'd have to find someone, who could port it... If I wasn't a total failure when it comes to programming and stuff, maybe I could do it :x
The difference between Android and other OSes is Android is popular and it's rather easy to cook a ROM... But here, we'd have to work from scratch. And nobody wants that. Shame on you, community, shame!
The only thing I see possibly coming next for the HD2 is WP8 (Maybe, if it's possible or at WP7.8) I rather hate WP and still love my huge variety of apps and customability with WM... I'm doing Win95 on it, Boxmax SD XDAndroid Sense and Ubuntu...
I don't see why or how it'd be so hard if so many other HTC's have it running already, get the closest build with matching spec's between the HTC HD2 and whatever HTC is remotely similar to our in hardware, edit it for Android maybe and change the drivers of the HTC (In question) to the HTC HD2 in code by similarity of Android builds for HD2. On a side note, I read that the HTC Evo 4G is the same phone as the HD2 on XDA, so if we could find a WebOS Build for that we'd be off to a good start. Then onto the debugging and next step is glory.
If I knew anything about coding and cooking I'd give it a whack, but I don't know much about it.
+1 on WebOS on the HD2...
I have it on the Touchpad and I love it!
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What has WebOS got to do with Ubuntu?
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They are both Linux based operating systems...that's why
n1nj4Lo said:
Bumping for interest and the sake of prosperity for our mighty HD2...
Face it Meego is going nowhere slow, if anywhere at all... With the announcements of nokia going to wp. Ubuntu is making very small but slow baby steps...
So why not stir up a craze that'd baffle the internet media once again with the viral power of what the HD2 can do?
It's been ported to many other HTC devices so why not our HD2? We can't just let it die with millions of android and wp builds and lack of interest in other projects such as linux and meego, so I only see one other hurdle to jump that being WebOS.
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So why not stir up a craze that'd baffle the internet media once again with the viral power of what the HD2 can do?
but why do we even need a webOS?
its btr we try something like win 8 and do the impossible
tanush said:
but why do we even need a webOS?
its btr we try something like win 8 and do the impossible
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because webOS is opensource and Windows 8 is not..
tanush said:
but why do we even need a webOS?
its btr we try something like win 8 and do the impossible
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Windows 8 is Windows 7 and we did that already, we'd just be spinning our wheels or going backwards then instead of moving forward with bootable os'es.
If you want Windows 8 so bad on your HD2 hunt around for a 7.8 rom, closest you'll prolly get. Anyways you could get in a whole lot more trouble cooking an OS/Rom onto an unsupported phone that hasn't even been released yet to normal consumer users yet.
WebOS would be great those who aren't ready for Android or don't want it and those who don't like WP, but desire something other than WinMo 6.5.
WebOS is dead...
Still would love to see a new OS once in a while. +1 for WebOS, +1 for MeeGo, +1 for Firefox OS (or whatsisname)