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GPU POWER of Desire HD?

Guys im just wondering if anyone tried need for speed on the desire HD? Any hiccups with the GPU?
Ive read that the gpu is the most powerfull right now over the galaxy s?

It's my understanding that the Desire Z / G2 got the more powerful GPU in the deal along with the keyboard, the Desire HD got higher factory clocked CPU, more RAM and a powerful GPU too but not as powerful. That's just how I saw it when reading through specs and reviews.

Dyonas said:
It's my understanding that the Desire Z / G2 got the more powerful GPU in the deal along with the keyboard, the Desire HD got higher factory clocked CPU, more RAM and a powerful GPU too but not as powerful. That's just how I saw it when reading through specs and reviews.
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That is wrong bro. Both the DZ/G2 and the DHD have the same GPU, which is the Adreno 205.

I've been reading about a lot, and I think the future has to show what GPU is better.
Why? It's also very software depending.
I think when only looking to the GPU, the samsung en de desire Z are at the same level.
But when looking at the overal performance and hardware, the desire HD will outperform the others. The benchmarks show.
I know the galaxy has improved a lot with custom ROM's, but the desire hd will too (maybe not as much).
And I do think the gaming experience on mobile phones isn't just about the GPU. At least not as much as on the desktop computers these days.
The current Desire uses a gen1 1ghz snapdragon QSD8250 with the adreno 200 GPU
The Desire Z will use the gen2 800mhz snapdragon MSM7230 with the adreno 205 GPU
The Desire HD will use the gen 2 1ghz snapdragon MSM8255 with the adreno 205 GPU.
I don't think it should not matter much in your choice of phone.

Sherwood1 said:
Guys im just wondering if anyone tried need for speed on the desire HD? Any hiccups with the GPU?
Ive read that the gpu is the most powerfull right now over the galaxy s?
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Ello m8, i've got asphalt 5 hd, nova, need for speed, lets play golf, all of the top end games basically and i can tell you now that the desire hd has no problems playing any of them, saying that i just overclocked my desire hd's cpu to 1420 and got a quadrant score of 2495 so i'm probably overkilling a little bit here.
The difference between the DHD, SGSs gpus are quite slight if any. I'm happy with my oc'd DHD tho.

Yeah the GPU is plenty powerful. I don't think there is any game for Android right now that fully utilizes all the Adreno 205's power. Im really happy with it because i plan on doing plenty of gaming on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzgNJi3lbww
a nice video of gaming on DHD.

Just what you always wanted - 2400 page processor manual!

I'm probably the only person on this planet that would ever download a 20.5-meg, 2426-page document titled "S5PC110 RISC Microprocessor User's Manual", but if there are other hardware freaks out there interested, here you go:
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=repository&id=644&c=samsung_s5pc110_microprocessor_user_manual_1.00
As you may or may not know, the S5PC110, better known as Hummingbird, is the SoC (System on a Chip) that is the brain of your Epic. Now, when you have those moments when you really just gotta know the memory buffer size for your H.264 encoder or are dying to pore over a block diagram of your SGX540 GPU architecture, you can!
( Note: It does get a little bit dry at parts. Unless you're an ARM engineer, I suppose. )

Why arent you working on porting CM6 or gingerbread via CM7?? lol

now we can overclock the gpu
/sarcasm

cbusillo said:
Why arent you working on porting CM6 or gingerbread via CM7?? lol
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Hah, because I know exactly squat about Android development. Hardware is more my thing, though if I find some spare time to play around with the Android SDK maybe that can change.
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This actually is really exciting news. RISC architectures in general, especially the ARM instruction set is great and honestly it would so the works a lot of good kicking the chains of x86
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Interesting - the complete technical design of the Hummingbird chips.
After reading your blog as to how Hummingbird got its extra performance, I still wonder at times - did we make the right choice in getting this phone the Epic 4G (I bought one for $300 off contract and imported it to Canada) knowing that there are going to be ARM Cortex A9 CPUs coming around in just a couple of months? We know that in the real world, Hummingbird is more powerful than Snapdragon and the OMAP 3600 series, while benchmark scores tend to not reflect real world performance.
Performance-wise: It's know that the out of order A9 parts are at least 30% faster clock for clock in real world performance. There will be dual and maybe quad core implementations. What's really up in the air is the graphics performance of the A9 parts. There's now the Power VR SGX 545, the Mali 400, and the Tegra 2.
Edit: There is also the successor, the Mali T-604. I don't expect to see this in a phone in the near future. Nor do I expect the Tegra 3. Maybe close to this time next year though.

sauron0101 said:
Interesting - the complete technical design of the Hummingbird chips.
After reading your blog as to how Hummingbird got its extra performance, I still wonder at times - did we make the right choice in getting this phone the Epic 4G (I bought one for $300 off contract and imported it to Canada) knowing that there are going to be ARM Cortex A9 CPUs coming around in just a couple of months? We know that in the real world, Hummingbird is more powerful than Snapdragon and the OMAP 3600 series, while benchmark scores tend to not reflect real world performance.
Performance-wise: It's know that the out of order A9 parts are at least 30% faster clock for clock in real world performance. There will be dual and maybe quad core implementations. What's really up in the air is the graphics performance of the A9 parts. There's now the Power VR SGX 545, the Mali 400, and the Tegra 2.
Edit: There is also the successor, the Mali T-604. I don't expect to see this in a phone in the near future. Nor do I expect the Tegra 3. Maybe close to this time next year though.
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Your always going to be playing catchup..I personally think the Epic has great hardware for the time...I mean on Samsung's roadmap for 2012/13 is their Aquila processor which is a quad-core 1.2ghz..its going to be endless catchup..every year there will be something that completely over shallows the rest..

gTen said:
Your always going to be playing catchup..I personally think the Epic has great hardware for the time...I mean on Samsung's roadmap for 2012/13 is their Aquila processor which is a quad-core 1.2ghz..its going to be endless catchup..every year there will be something that completely over shallows the rest..
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No, but I mean, if you buy the latest technology when its released, you'll be set for quite some time.
For example, if you were to buy the one of the first Tegra 2 phones, its unlikely that anything is going to be beating that significantly until at least 2012 when the quad core parts begin to emerge.
It takes a year or so from the time that a CPU is announced to the time that it gets deployed in a handset. For example, the Snapdragon was announced in late 2008 and the first phones (HD2) were about a year later. IF you buy an A9 dual core part early on, you should be set for some time.

Well, I got the Epic knowing Tegra 2 was coming in a few months with next-gen performance. I was badly in need of a new phone and the Epic, while not a Cortex A9, is no slouch.
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sauron0101 said:
No, but I mean, if you buy the latest technology when its released, you'll be set for quite some time.
For example, if you were to buy the one of the first Tegra 2 phones, its unlikely that anything is going to be beating that significantly until at least 2012 when the quad core parts begin to emerge.
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Thats relative, in terms of GPU performance our Hummingbird doesn't do so badly..the GPU the TI chose to pair with the dual core OMAP is effectively a PowerVR SGX540..the Snapdragon that is rumored to be in the dual cores next summer is also on par with our GPU performance...so yes we will loose out to newer hardware..which is to be expected but I wouldn't consider it a slouch either...
It takes a year or so from the time that a CPU is announced to the time that it gets deployed in a handset. For example, the Snapdragon was announced in late 2008 and the first phones (HD2) were about a year later. IF you buy an A9 dual core part early on, you should be set for some time.
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The first phone was a TG01, that said I guarantee you that a year if not less from the first Tegra release there will be a better processor out...its bound to happen..
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..

gTen said:
Thats relative, in terms of GPU performance our Hummingbird doesn't do so badly..the GPU the TI chose to pair with the dual core OMAP is effectively a PowerVR SGX540..the Snapdragon that is rumored to be in the dual cores next summer is also on par with our GPU performance...so yes we will loose out to newer hardware..which is to be expected but I wouldn't consider it a slouch either...
The first phone was a TG01, that said I guarantee you that a year if not less from the first Tegra release there will be a better processor out...its bound to happen..
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..
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AFAIK, dual-core support is only fully supported by Honeycomb. But if you feel like buying into NVIDIA's explanation of Tegra 2 performance, check this out: http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/t...-Multi-core-CPUs-in-Mobile-Devices_Ver1.2.pdf

Electrofreak said:
AFAIK, dual-core support is only fully supported by Honeycomb. But if you feel like buying into NVIDIA's explanation of Tegra 2 performance, check this out: http://www.nvidia.com/content/PDF/t...-Multi-core-CPUs-in-Mobile-Devices_Ver1.2.pdf
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I see I actually read before that Gingerbread would allow for dual core support but I guess that was delayed to honeycomb...
either way this would mean even if a Tegra based phone comes out it wont be able to utilize both cored until at least mid next year.
I can't open pdfs right now but I read a whitepaper with performance of hummingbird and Tegra 2 compared both on single core and dual core..is that the same one?
One thing though is Nvidia and ATI are quite known for tweaking their gfx cards to perform well on benchmarks...I hope its not the same with their CPUs :/

gTen said:
Edit: Some benchmarks for Tablets:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4067/nvidia-tegra-2-graphics-performance-update
Though I am not sure if its using both cores or not...also Tegra 2 I think buffers at 16bit..while Hummingbird buffers at 24bit..
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Here are some additional benchmarks comparing the Galaxy Tab to the Viewsonic G Tablet:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4062/samsung-galaxy-tab-the-anandtech-review/5
It's possible that the Tegra 2 isn't optimized yet. Not to mention, Honeycomb will be the release that makes the most of dual cores. However, there are lackluster performance gains in terms of graphics - most of it seems to be purely CPU gains in performance.
I'm not entirely sure that Neocore is representative of real world performance either. It's possible that it may have been optimized for some platforms. Furthermore, I would not be surprised if Neocore gave inflated scores for the Snapdragon and it's Adreno graphics platform. Of course, neither is Quadrant.
I think that real world games like Quake III based games are the way to go, although until we see more graphics demanding games, I suppose that there's little to test (we're expecting more games for Android next year).
Finally, we've gotten to a point for web browsing where its the data connection HSPA+, LTE, or WiMAX that will dictate how fast pages load. It's like upgrading the CPU for a PC. I currently run an overclocked q6600 - if I were to upgrade to say a Sandy Bridge when it comes out next year, I don't expect significant improvements in real world browsing performance.
Eventually, the smartphone market will face the same problem that the PC market does. Apart from us enthusiasts who enjoy benchmarking and overclocking, apart from high end gaming, and perhaps some specialized operations (like video encoding which I do a bit of), you really don't need the latest and greatest CPU or 6+ GB of RAM (which many new desktops come with). Same with high end GPUs. Storage follows the same dilemna. I imagine that as storage grows, I'll be storing FLAC music files instead of AAC, MP3, or OGG, and more video. I will also use my cell phone to replace my USB key drive. Otherwise, there's no need for bigger storage.

gTen said:
I see I actually read before that Gingerbread would allow for dual core support but I guess that was delayed to honeycomb...
either way this would mean even if a Tegra based phone comes out it wont be able to utilize both cored until at least mid next year.
I can't open pdfs right now but I read a whitepaper with performance of hummingbird and Tegra 2 compared both on single core and dual core..is that the same one?
One thing though is Nvidia and ATI are quite known for tweaking their gfx cards to perform well on benchmarks...I hope its not the same with their CPUs :/
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Gingerbread doesn't have any dual-core optimizations. It has some JIT improvements in addition to some other minor enhancements, but according to rumor, Honeycomb is where it's at, and it's why the major tablet manufacturers are holding off releasing their Tegra 2 tablets until it's released.
And yeah, that paper shows the performance of several different Cortex A8s (including Hummingbird) compared to Tegra 2, and then goes on to compare Tegra 2 single-core performance vs dual.

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Gingerbread doesn't have any dual-core optimizations. It has some JIT improvements in addition to some other minor enhancements, but according to rumor, Honeycomb is where it's at, and it's why the major tablet manufacturers are holding off releasing their Tegra 2 tablets until it's released.
And yeah, that paper shows the performance of several different Cortex A8s (including Hummingbird) compared to Tegra 2, and then goes on to compare Tegra 2 single-core performance vs dual.
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I looked at:
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/
since I can't access the pdf..does the whitepaper state what version they used to do their tests? for example if they used 2.1 on the sgs and honeycomb on their tests it wouldn't exactly be a fair comparison...do they also put in the actual FPS..not % wise? for example we are capped on the FPS for example...
Lastly, in the test does it say whether the Tegra 2 was dithering at 16bit or 24bit?

gTen said:
I looked at:
http://androidandme.com/2010/11/new...u-will-want-to-buy-a-dual-core-mobile-device/
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I'm one of Taylor's (unofficial) tech consultants, and I spoke with him regarding that article. Though, credit where it's due to Taylor, he's been digging stuff up recently that I don't have a clue about. We've talked about Honeycomb and dual-core tablets, and since Honeycomb will be the first release of Android to support tablets officially, and since Motorola seems to be holding back the release of its Tegra 2 tablet until Honeycomb (quickly checks AndroidAndMe to make sure I haven't said anything Taylor hasn't already said), and rumors say that Honeycomb will have dual-core support, it all makes sense.
But yes, the whitepaper is the one he used to base that article on.
gTen said:
since I can't access the pdf..does the whitepaper state what version they used to do their tests? for example if they used 2.1 on the sgs and honeycomb on their tests it wouldn't exactly be a fair comparison...do they also put in the actual FPS..not % wise? for example we are capped on the FPS for example...
Lastly, in the test does it say whether the Tegra 2 was dithering at 16bit or 24bit?
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Android 2.2 was used in all of their tests according to the footnotes in the document. While I believe that Android 2.2 is capable of using both cores simultaneously, I don't believe it is capable of threading them separately. But that's just my theory. I'm just going off of what the Gingerbread documentation from Google says; and unfortunately there is no mention of improved multi-core processor support in Gingerbread.
http://developer.android.com/sdk/android-2.3-highlights.html
As for FPS and the dithering... they don't really go there; the whitepaper is clearly focused on CPU performance, and so it features benchmark scores and timed results. I take it all with a pinch of salt anyhow; despite the graphs and such, it's still basically an NVIDIA advertisement.
That said, Taylor has been to one of their expos or whatever you call it, and he's convinced that the Tegra 2 GPU will perform several times better than the SGX 540 in the Galaxy S phones. I'm not so sure I'm convinced... I've seen comparable performance benchmarks come from the LG Tegra 2 phone, but Taylor claims it was an early build with and he's seen even better performance. Time will tell I suppose...
EDIT - As for not being able to access the .pdfs, what are you talking about?! XDA app / browser and Adobe Reader!

Tegra 2 overclocking?

Any info out there about this baby overclocked? Will standard overclocking tools work or does new software need to be devloped?

To overclock the cpu I think you'd need a custom kernel that allows it first. But if the bootloader is locked then custom kernels can't be flashed.
You won't have to worry about performance issues with tegra 2 for while though .

As if you needed to run Crysis on it?

Tough crowd this morning!
This site is here for getting the most out of devices. Rooting and removing bloatware increases performance. Customized ROMS increase perfomance and user experience. I merely asked about another tool for optimizing a device.

bee55 said:
To overclock the cpu I think you'd need a custom kernel that allows it first. But if the bootloader is locked then custom kernels can't be flashed.
You won't have to worry about performance issues with tegra 2 for while though .
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Haha,don't underestimate the people who hang out at XDA and other dev sites, we find ways to work these phones to the bone. I know for myself I will have probably 100 apps downloaded and installed in the first 24 hours, and will be testing its limits.

You have the best cpu in a phone ever and you want to over clock. Wow. Why?
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snapdragon was the best @ one time and most roms had overclock built in!

Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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snapdragon was the best @ one time and most roms had overclock built in!
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Hence why he said 'at one time'.
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AllTheWay said:
Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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Snapdragon is far from being the worst CPU, clock for clock. First of all, Snapdragon is not a CPU, is a SoC (System on a Chip), and the CPU core inside Snapdragon is called Scorpion. Scorpion is neither a standard ARM Cortex A8 nor A9 core unlike the CPU core inside the Hummingbird/TI OMAP/Nvidia Tegra. But it can be thought of as among the same class as Cortex A8 CPUs. The Scorpion has some big advantage over standard Cortex A8 core in some areas (e.g. floating point). The reason why many found the first generation (in Nexus One and HTC Desire) to be "slow" was that they look only at composite benchmark like Quadrant and/or 3D games. The first generation of Snapdragon has a rather dated GPU (Adreno 200) in it, and Adreno 200's 3D performance is honestly, bad. The second generation Snapdragon (Desire Z/G2, Desire HD) uses a much faster GPU, Adreno 205, making the Snapdragon 3D performance on par with Hummingbird and other current generation SoC.
So before you go again saying Snapdragon is the slowest "CPU", go do some reading, and think, before saying. Here is some good reading for you:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4144/...gra-2-review-the-first-dual-core-smartphone/4
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4165/the-motorola-atrix-4g-preview/5

AllTheWay said:
Snapdragon is the worst CPU for 1ghz. Even the TI OMAP is better than Qualcomm. The main reason wont buy anymore HTC phones is because of Qualcomm and there ****ty performance in phone in comparison to Samsung, TI, and now Nvidia.
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if you blindly trust benchmarks the Scorpion CPU in the 2nd gen snapdragons are quite fast... my G2 benchmarks at...
Quadrant: 2,700ish
Linpack: 52.69
Sunspider:2,257
Neocore:57
infact, all of those benchmarks either match, or surpass the Atrix 4G.

No problems here with my snapdragon 1Ghz. linpacks constant 42+

Now that the phone is rooted can we use setCPU to underclock it so to save battery.
Or does setcpu not support dual core.
Also is what I said above true. if we have root we can underclock without putting custom kernels.

The nvidia tegra 2 kernel does not have a simple method to modify the CPU freq table. The dev working on the gtablet kernel would be a good resource to ask, his name is Pershoot. From my understanding he would have to backport the original ARM scaling which is not trivial in the least.
Maybe someone can figure out another way.

tsekh501 said:
As if you needed to run Crysis on it?
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Actually yeah, and who wouldn't? That's probably enough to get you instantly laid in some countries.

Arkasai said:
Actually yeah, and who wouldn't? That's probably enough to get you instantly laid in some countries.
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Serious bragging rights right there.
Guy 1: "Damnit, I just got Crysis 2, and I can't even run Crysis 1 on my computer."
Guy 2: "Yeah well I can run it on my cell phone...look."
Guy 1's Girlfriend: "Take me, now, Guy 2!."
You get the picture.
Sorry to go off-topic there. But I do have a question. Isn't the Tegra 2 ARM9 based? And there's nothing wrong with wanting to push a device to it's limits. Overclocking is fun.

dandmcd said:
Haha,don't underestimate the people who hang out at XDA and other dev sites, we find ways to work these phones to the bone. I know for myself I will have probably 100 apps downloaded and installed in the first 24 hours, and will be testing its limits.
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lol same here. I have about 45 installed on my Galaxy Tab and all of them will be installed on the Atrix immediately and tested. I plan on testing every single game I can find on the market lol biggest being Dungeon Defenders for now...runs a bit slow on the Galaxy Tab and I've heard on Tegra2 it runs *GREAT*.

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You have the best cpu in a phone ever and you want to over clock. Wow. Why?
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Because you can make it better. Why settle for less? My captivate is fast and does everything I need it to do at 1ghz but I have it at 1.3 now; and under volted.
Why? Because it is better.
Captivate 2.2.1 Paragon

Is there a simple way to backup all the apps installed on my phone so I can just dump them instantly into a new phone? Preferably without having to hit "install" for every app on the market.

wow, its a dual core processor and you want OC... ugh, get out... lol

Possible EVO 3D successors CPU?

Next Snapdragon CPU: 2.5GHz, 75% Less Power
Samsung made headlines last week when it promised a 2GHz smartphone CPU for 2012. It wasn’t long ago that such a thing didn’t even seem possible, and the news sparked plenty of conversations about how fast the industry is moving. However, it seems Samsung’s lofty promise has already been outdone by Qualcomm, which is planning new single, dual and quad core Snapdragons that will reach clock speeds 2.5GHz.
A leaked Qualcomm presentation details the company’s plans for its next-generation Snapdragon processors, the MSM8270, MSM8930 and MSM8960 processors, and the APQ8064. Electronista reports that these chips are expected to be as much as five times faster than their predecessors in raw CPU power with four times faster graphics and "console quality gaming." The slides, first posted by MobileTechWorld, also detail 1080p video playback on tablets and other large display devices, stereoscopic 3D capture and playback, and support for 7.1 Dolby, and a 20-megapixel camera.
All of the CPUs are expected to sample before the end of the year but don’t expect to see any products until 2012 at the earliest.
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Since both the EVO 4G and 3D are using the same brand of processor I think its safe to assume it will also use this next gen processor. I suppose this is good news for those who can't upgrade to the EVO3D this year. There is always something better around the bend.
I would love to see video game benchmark videos for this cpu.
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the quad cores are a long ways away, but these new Dual cores, possibly running at 2.0 Ghz are going to be insane. The "console gaming" graphics are probably being a little overrated when described that way...
Anyways your in the wrong section, someone move this to Evo 3D discussion

Samzebian said:
the quad cores are a long ways away, but these new Dual cores, possibly running at 2.0 Ghz are going to be insane. The "console gaming" graphics are probably being a little overrated when described that way...
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This is with newest Adreno on the EVO3D
Samzebian said:
Anyways your in the wrong section, someone move this to Evo 3D discussion
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I made this thread to be read by those who still have the EVO4G that are not eligible for the upgrade when the EVO3D is released.

Funny cause my laptop has a 1.6 GHz.

I wonder how long the gap between Desktop CPUs and Phone CPUs will close.

Zabalba said:
I wonder how long the gap between Desktop CPUs and Phone CPUs will close.
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A while. Even though the numbers may be similar the architecture is no where near the same.
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Samzebian said:
the quad cores are a long ways away, but these new Dual cores, possibly running at 2.0 Ghz are going to be insane. The "console gaming" graphics are probably being a little overrated when described that way...
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Um, not all that far off...

Discovery(Can I call it so?) about Sensation's and Galaxy S 2's CPUs' performance

Hey guys,a long time ago in a galaxy far far away(well,it was only last week,but I gotta make it sound more dramatic ),I was watching video comparisons of the two phones on youtube and reading others like a maniac,trying to decide which is best.In every review that someone made a benchmark between the two and used Linpack to measure the CPU's power(believe me,there is nothing more reliable for the CPU),the end result was that the Sensation's CPU is better clock for clock marginally.
So there I was earlier today,trying to show myself how good my purchase was,and I was comparing my GS2 with my Desire HD.Before someone comes up and tries to defend the Sensation,bear in mind that:
1)The Sensation's dual-core CPU is actually two identical Scorpion cores,like the one found inside the Desire HD,just overclocked to 1.2GHz insted of 1GHz.
2)Linpack isn't able to properly benchmark dual-core CPUs,so the result you get is from one core.
Now,as most reviews showed,on 1.2GHz(yes,my DHD is rooted etc,check my sig) the scores of the Desire HD were slightly better than those of the GS2.Better...like 46MFLOPS against 45MFLOPS or so.
Then,the spirit of the overclocker took over my mind.So I grab both phones and overclock them all the way up to 1612MHz(usign Tegrak overclock ultimate on my GS2).The results are what I want to point out with this thread.
At that clock speed,the Desire HD struggled to get 60MFLOPS(In fact I don't think it ever reached that much,more like 58-59),while the GS2 was confidently between 63 and 65 MFLOPS.
Bottom line is that the GS2's performance increases in a more "linear" way than the Sensation's.I know most people won't overclock,but I am here to defend our phones!
In case you don't even care or find this thread pointless etc,you can pretty much press your back button and get out without flaming/trolling.Please?

Hey you went to all that effort so ill say good work, and having a positive thread about the gs2 is a good thing so double thumbs up.
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NIK516 said:
Hey you went to all that effort so ill say good work, and having a positive thread about the gs2 is a good thing so double thumbs up.
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Haha!Yep,I thought so!
Well,it's a nice find for me.At least I've proven that the Sensation doesn't have a better CPU as its users would like to believe and boast about!
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erm... aren't sensation and desire hd two different phones? also, you first say that linpack is the best cpu benchmark out there, but then you continue by saying that it cannot test dual core cpu?
i'm a bit confused.

andrej.marinic said:
erm... aren't sensation and desire hd two different phones? also, you first say that linpack is the best cpu benchmark out there, but then you continue by saying that it cannot test dual core cpu?
i'm a bit confused.
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Yep,one doesn't cancel the other.The only benchmarking tool that uses both cores is smartbench 2011 as of now.Others will probably follow.It's not a fault that Linpack doesn't benchmark both cores,the programmers haven't done the coding yet.Just that.
And yes,the Desire HD and the Sensation are different phones,albeit with the same CPU CORE,not the same CPU.
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tolis626 said:
Hey guys,a long time ago in a galaxy far far away(well,it was only last week,but I gotta make it sound more dramatic ),I was watching video comparisons of the two phones on youtube and reading others like a maniac,trying to decide which is best.In every review that someone made a benchmark between the two and used Linpack to measure the CPU's power(believe me,there is nothing more reliable for the CPU),the end result was that the Sensation's CPU is better clock for clock marginally.
So there I was earlier today,trying to show myself how good my purchase was,and I was comparing my GS2 with my Desire HD.Before someone comes up and tries to defend the Sensation,bear in mind that:
1)The Sensation's dual-core CPU is actually two identical Scorpion cores,like the one found inside the Desire HD,just overclocked to 1.2GHz insted of 1GHz.
2)Linpack isn't able to properly benchmark dual-core CPUs,so the result you get is from one core.
Now,as most reviews showed,on 1.2GHz(yes,my DHD is rooted etc,check my sig) the scores of the Desire HD were slightly better than those of the GS2.Better...like 46MFLOPS against 45MFLOPS or so.
Then,the spirit of the overclocker took over my mind.So I grab both phones and overclock them all the way up to 1612MHz(usign Tegrak overclock ultimate on my GS2).The results are what I want to point out with this thread.
At that clock speed,the Desire HD struggled to get 60MFLOPS(In fact I don't think it ever reached that much,more like 58-59),while the GS2 was confidently between 63 and 65 MFLOPS.
Bottom line is that the GS2's performance increases in a more "linear" way than the Sensation's.I know most people won't overclock,but I am here to defend our phones!
In case you don't even care or find this thread pointless etc,you can pretty much press your back button and get out without flaming/trolling.Please?
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In regards to the linpack, i think i've seen the same comparison review. I mentioned it in the same thread that i ran the test and also got near 47MFLOPS when i ran the test. Same thing goes for quadrant, i've hit as high as 3450ish on stock rom and then gotten as low as 2900. I've posted in the same website that their testing method is flawed because they don't run multiple tests

I hate the fact that in comparision reviews between GS2 and Sensation, reviews usually just say both of them use 1.2GHz dual-cores and fail to mention that the CPUs are not the same.
As tolis626 pointed out that the CPU's cores in the sensation are the old Scorpion CPU used in the DHD but have one more core. They are partially out of order, while the Cortex-A9 in GS2 are fully out of order which translate to a win for GS2.
On the Linpack benchmark, it measures floating point performance and Scorpion has a better implementation of floating point unit hence Scorpion is better than Cortex-A9 clock for clock in Linpack. But smartphone application is not bound by floating point performance, according to AnandTech, so we won't see that extra performance all the time.

well I got 48.208MFLOPS without any overclock on my SGS2

Like the majority of users, I'm a noob when it comes to overclocking/rooting/benchmarking, I just haven't gone near it (yet )
I watch others' videos on it. And basically, on the stock browser, on the stock ROM, the GSII always get significantly better than the Sensation....so I'm happy with my purchase. Seems soo pointless going for a "HTC" because it has the "HTC" logo, even though it's browser is poor and it's signal fails.
ok, the above is a stupid troll comment. But you get the point.

nhat2991 said:
I hate the fact that in comparision reviews between GS2 and Sensation, reviews usually just say both of them use 1.2GHz dual-cores and fail to mention that the CPUs are not the same.
As tolis626 pointed out that the CPU's cores in the sensation are the old Scorpion CPU used in the DHD but have one more core. They are partially out of order, while the Cortex-A9 in GS2 are fully out of order which translate to a win for GS2.
On the Linpack benchmark, it measures floating point performance and Scorpion has a better implementation of floating point unit hence Scorpion is better than Cortex-A9 clock for clock in Linpack. But smartphone application is not bound by floating point performance, according to AnandTech, so we won't see that extra performance all the time.
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What I was trying to get at is that the Sensation is NOT better clock for clock,it just gives better numbers at that frequency.It also kneels when underclocked and under terrible load,something the GS2 doesn't suffer from.
Don't be mistaken,the Scorpion CPU core is a really good one.And as far as I'm concerned it's by far better than the CPU of the Hummingbird inside the original GS.What plagues the Sensation is a terrible implementanion of the Scorpion core in a dual-core chipset.We should wait till some devs do their magic on that thing before we can call it worse.
Just my...5 cents,I wrote too much!
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tolis626 said:
And as far as I'm concerned it's [scorpion] by far better than the CPU of the Hummingbird inside the original GS.
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is this a subjective or an objective observation?
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
they both seem quite competitive

vizir said:
is this a subjective or an objective observation?
http://smartphonebenchmarks.com/for...-gen-snapdragon-processors-how-fast-are-they/
they both seem quite competitive
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Woah,I did state that ONLY the CPU is better on the QSD8255,not that the whole SoC is better than the Hummingbird.The latter was a beast in the graphics department(and still is),so it's more than competitive actually.
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