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Hey all, watching some flash videos today made me notice how poorly the N1 puts sound out the back speaker, even compared to my old G1. I remember back in my Blackberry days that people used to mod the backs to "let more sound get out", and so I started looking into this...
First off, the speaker is GINORMOUS in relation to the slit. If you look inside the back where the speaker is, you can see a little internal grille, and the small slit for sound to escape. There's also a TON more room where that grille isnt attached to the back (same shape as the slit, only about 5x the size) that could be milled out pretty easily, and still retain the "keep crap out of the back" feature of the grille.
So, this leaves me with a few questions:
Where can I get a replacement back, in case my mill catches a bit more than I anticipate?
Anyone else interested? I figure if I set up to do one, I might as well bang a few others out instead of setting up multiple times.
Once I get a second back, I will be going at this with pics and hopefully notable improvement in projecting sound into my hand, and back toward my face!
I might not be a software hacker, but when it comes to this sort of thing, I figure its the best way I can give back to the community!
Give HTC support a call and tell them your cover doesn't line up properly(I don't think any of them do) they'll send you out a replacement. If they don't they can sell you one for ten bucks I think.
Hope to hear good results from your mod, might do it myself.
I actually think the small slit does something to amplify the sound..
Take the back off, play music, put it on. Notice it gets louder when you place it back on..
I don't know though, but I'll be following this thread!
Wisefire said:
I actually think the small slit does something to amplify the sound..
Take the back off, play music, put it on. Notice it gets louder when you place it back on..
I don't know though, but I'll be following this thread!
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Yea, I think the OP should test and see if there's even a noticeable difference without the back cover. I would think not...
Try removing the cover, sounds WAY worse.
Yes, I completely realize the back sounds bad off, its acting as a resonator, or isolating front from back waves of the speaker, which causes phase cancellation. Thus why im not removing the cover, just making the one hole bigger. It SHOULD not lose the "low end" that it has with the back on (if you want to call it that.
Either way, Im hacking at least one up, Ill post results!
Do it. (poor phone!)
I would suggest to replace the speaker with a Desire one, some people who have both phones pretend it's way louder on Desire, and yes it's the same form factor and size so it should fit
It is quite a bit louder without the cover but sounds bad due to the lack of resonance.
Shouldnt be too bad with just an enlargement, make sure you put something to block out dust. Let us know how it goes.
I've found that attaching one of these to the back quite useful...
or try a vuvuzela
I think the engineer who designed that whole was well aware of resonance qualities. If you make that whole and turns out better, you should apply to HTC job hehe...
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Good idea ...
What about drilling mini-holes arround the "slit" ?
Instead of making ONE BIG hole ...
Very Interesting mod idea...I think the small drilled holes would be an effective test.
Or just cup your left hand around the back of the phone.
I looking for the out come of this.
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mrbkkt1 said:
Or just cup your left hand around the back of the phone.
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hah, I've never seen anyone else do it, but I do this all the time if I'm showing people a video or am in a noisy setting (ie. party)
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hah, I've never seen anyone else do it, but I do this all the time if I'm showing people a video or am in a noisy setting (ie. party)
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Nah, everyone does it.. I mostly do it when I want to listen to something quiet, I can turn it down and redirect the sound towards me.
I actually have a really good pair of earphones. I prefer that the main speaker is in the back, instead of in the earpiece like some phones. Prevents earspeaker blowout and call quality is damn good with this phone so far.
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Or just cup your left hand around the back of the phone.
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I try to put it up against a wall. Your hand can work to absorb sound waves, thus deadening sound and lowering overall quality; but drywall bounces the sound waves back nearly impeccably. Desks, etc, any hard surface should do the trick.
Now I have louder and much less tinny sound!!!!
It fitted quite easily as the over all dimensions are similar and the solder pads are in the same spot. Any one with decent soldering skills could do it.
Only issue is it is a little bit thicker, so the case doesn't fit perfectly. I'm going to attack it with a dremel tonight to try and make it fit better.......
EDIT: I didn't end up using the dremel, but just reassembled it more carefully and put all the screws in. Now the case fits together almost perfectly. It bulges out fractions of a millimeter at the top but you would NEVER know unless you knew.... (if you know what I mean )
WHUUUT!! AWESOME! oh wait..
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WHUUUT!! AWESOME! oh wait..
Pic or it didnt happend
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Yeh, pictures would be awesome.
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WHUUUT!! AWESOME! oh wait..
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truer words have never been spoken...
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I don't understand... why would he even bother making this up?? It's not like all the posts that you get around "We've delayed 2.1 until 2099" or "I've just updated to 2.1 and it's crap".. etc etc.. some people will think.. oh nice.. I'll try that.. others will think.. It aint worth chucking my warranty down the pan for..
HYPER-X10 said:
Now I have louder and much less tinny sound!!!!
It fitted quite easily as the over all dimensions are similar and the solder pads are in the same spot. Any one with decent soldering skills could do it.
Only issue is it is a little bit thicker, so the case doesn't fit perfectly. I'm going to attack it with a dremel tonight to try and make it fit better.......
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no pics yet...??!
OK, here it is.
If you look at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668132
You can see the stock speaker is different (has 3 holes in it)
Thanks to McKebapp for the disassembly guide.
EDIT: I just thought I'd note that the reason I decided to do this is that my speaker wasn't working at all any more. It got full of tiny steel filings when I was making some benches for my workshop. Seings I bought it from the UK, I figured warranty would be too difficult to deal with. I was using speaker phone every time I made a call (don't you hate people who do that?) so I really had nothing to lose.
I'm really glad now though as it has a noticeably better sound. Not just louder but deeper sounding, and doesn't distort like it used to at full volume.
If any one is interested, the offending benches can be seen in this vid (black benches in front of machines):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vYgHekQzvk
Vid taken with X10 of course
HYPER-X10 said:
OK, here it is.
If you look at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668132
You can see the stock speaker is different (has 3 holes in it)
Thanks to McKebapp for the disassembly guide.
EDIT: I just thought I'd note that the reason I decided to do this is that my speaker wasn't working at all any more. It got full of tiny steel filings when I was making some benches for my workshop. Seings I bought it from the UK, I figured warranty would be too difficult to deal with. I was using speaker phone every time I made a call (don't you hate people who do that?) so I really had nothing to lose.
I'm really glad now though as it has a noticeably better sound. Not just louder but deeper sounding, and doesn't distort like it used to at full volume.
If any one is interested, the offending benches can be seen in this vid (black benches in front of machines):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vYgHekQzvk
Vid taken with X10 of course
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Respect dude! If the silvia in the vid is yours.. dual turbo.. hoot!!
Edit: skyline**
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nice craftsmanship and awesome shop.
Thanks for sharing.
Thanks guys.
GTR isn't mine but the NSX is
HYPER-X10 said:
Now I have louder and much less tinny sound!!!!
It fitted quite easily as the over all dimensions are similar and the solder pads are in the same spot. Any one with decent soldering skills could do it.
Only issue is it is a little bit thicker, so the case doesn't fit perfectly. I'm going to attack it with a dremel tonight to try and make it fit better.......
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That's what she said
Also, good work *thumbs up*
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Thanks guys.
GTR isn't mine but the NSX is
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great job and great workshop.
I prefer NSX over skyline myself
HYPER-X10 said:
OK, here it is.
If you look at this post:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=668132
You can see the stock speaker is different (has 3 holes in it)
Thanks to McKebapp for the disassembly guide.
EDIT: I just thought I'd note that the reason I decided to do this is that my speaker wasn't working at all any more. It got full of tiny steel filings when I was making some benches for my workshop. Seings I bought it from the UK, I figured warranty would be too difficult to deal with. I was using speaker phone every time I made a call (don't you hate people who do that?) so I really had nothing to lose.
I'm really glad now though as it has a noticeably better sound. Not just louder but deeper sounding, and doesn't distort like it used to at full volume.
If any one is interested, the offending benches can be seen in this vid (black benches in front of machines):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vYgHekQzvk
Vid taken with X10 of course
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wow thats a nice shop, that skyline has a serious setup. im an r34 fan though, cant wait for them to finally be legal in canada
Nice work dude, good to know there is a quality upgraded replacement in the event mine breaks.
You're an inspiration, mate. Unhappy with the speakerphone on my old Diamond - and now I'm thinking about trying some surgery myself.
wicked might do that myself and you're from vic *me waves*
Do you know if you can get a speaker off ebay ?
Am I the only one who seriously feels like it not only doesn't feel cheap, but actually feels better this way?
I mean, the device still feels nice and solid, with even weight distribution, but it also feels so light and elegant to me. I've held and used other smartphones that don't give me anything close to this feeling. I think it actually feels more stylish and elegant than the iPhone 4, plastic and all.
I'll readily submit the idea that maybe I'm the rare outlier who feels like this, but does anyone else feel this way?
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I have to agree coming from a vibrant that had a little creaking problem this is way better and feels solid.I was gonna stay with the mytouch4g but I replaced 2 times and kept getting the crappy screen.Kinda glad that happened feelin this phone so far over my vibrant.Btw I wouldn't switch to this if you already have a Vibrant its just I had a deal going on with my friend so I got it at upgrade price and I will sell the Vibrant.
Agreed, the build quality is very good, the only thing that could possibly be called cheap is the back cover because it's plastic, if they covered the plastic with that soft-touch stuff like on the n1 it would be better. Overall the quality is very good, nice and solid and the haptic feedback works great compared to my n1 where the haptic feedback made it feel like it was rattling around inside my phone and about to fall apart.
The screen is the best on the market imo, and the external speaker is miles better that the one on the n1.
I totally agree here. The phone just feels light and sleek to me. I'm loving the all round experience with this thing. Definitely the best Android phone to date... hands down.
I normally go to sleep with Pandora playing on my PC but the other night I was just messing around checking out the general quality of "stuff" and turned on Pandora on the ns. I was so surprised at the quality of the sound that I ended up listening for a long while and passing out.
The difference is especially profound if you compare the sound quality with that of the tmo G2... which sounds like utter garbage.
I'm loving this thing!
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The Nexus S HAD to be plastic. Why?
Because of the NFC the back cover can not be metal.
Like I've mentioned before in other threads, my only real complaint about the build quality is that I wish they had used some sort of texture coating on the casing. It's quite slick when you first start using it and haven't adjusted your grip accordingly yet.
That and my nitpicky issue about Google/OEMs constantly rearranging their capacitive buttons lol. Pick an order and stick with it!
I finally got to play with a nexus s yesterdjw and I was surprised that it did in fact feel very solid and good in the hand. But missing track ball notification colors still gets to me.
RogerPodacter said:
I finally got to play with a nexus s yesterdjw and I was surprised that it did in fact feel very solid and good in the hand. But missing track ball notification colors still gets to me.
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You can grab an app off the marketplace called NoLED which will use your screen as a notification light. The SAMOLED consumes almost 0 power to show the color black, so the only power loss would be from the little colored pixels that make up the icon/block showing your notification.
You can even customize it to not show notifications during certain hours, like when you're asleep, or use the proximity sensor so it won't show notifications while it's in your pocket but will display them when you take it out. Pretty cool app, all in all.
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Agreed. Coming from the captivate, I feel right at home.
I got to try a friend's today and was pleasantly surprised. I actually vetoed my husband getting the original galaxy s cos I thought it felt rather plasticy, but the nexus does feel solid but light (certainly lighter than both my desire and hubby's brick/iphone4)
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Feels solid to me. Only complaint is that the back cover does scratch easily.
exactly
sstang2006 said:
The Nexus S HAD to be plastic. Why?
Because of the NFC the back cover can not be metal.
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So this also means that other high class google phones are going to have to be made of plastic to use an NFC chip? This is what I also was wondering, and this is really going to upset all the others saying how terrible samsungs (plastic) build quality is and how wonderful HTC's (metal) is...
No phone can ever be fully cased in metal, as you need to get radio waves in and out. Android phones could use glass construction like the iPhone 4, or just stick to using higher quality plastics.
I would have no problem at all with the Galaxy or Nexus S construction if they'd used a nice softtouch case, and maybe made the phone feel heavier somehow...
It feels amazing. I'm seriously love this
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The great thing about the plastic back is that you don't have to baby it or buy a case. Replacement backs will likely run around $5, so feel free to scuff it up or put grippy tape on it. At least you don't have to sorry about denting or scratching and losing resale value like metal phones.
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Kubernetes said:
The great thing about the plastic back is that you don't have to baby it or buy a case. Replacement backs will likely run around $5, so feel free to scuff it up or put grippy tape on it. At least you don't have to sorry about denting or scratching and losing resale value like metal phones.
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Might wanna wait for them to actually show up in stores or on ebay before doing that.
Loved the feel of this phone, but I loved the Teflon coating on my Nexus One. The plastic does scratch easily.
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Nexus S is the ****ttttt
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I'm with everyone here, the build quality is awesome. I was worried after coming from N1 but I really shouldn't have. I should have known Google wouldn't let down the Nexus name.
Everytime I pick my phone up I'm more and more satisfied that I made the right choice by switching to NS.
I replaced the loud speaker on my evo with an oem i ordered online. It was a very easy fix and everything is good now. As I was putting in the new speaker I started to think of how good my TP2 sounded when I used the loud speaker. It just had a nice crisp sound that I havent been able to get out of my Evo. I searched and found a TP2 replacement and from what I can see, it looks just like it! I am about to order one to try it just wanted to get some feedback on this before i waste money. Why is the sound on tp2 better? Thanks.
http://www.globaldirectparts.com/HTC-Touch-Pro2-Loud-Speaker-p/htc737530.htm
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Wouldn't the case itself make a difference in this? The TP2 had a pretty open back panel to allow sound to pass through. Or at least I remember that being the case. All the holes could have been fake. I gave mine to a family member when I got my Evo so can't check.
Might be a better speaker, but I doubt it will ever sound as good.
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Wouldn't the case itself make a difference in this? The TP2 had a pretty open back panel to allow sound to pass through. Or at least I remember that being the case. All the holes could have been fake. I gave mine to a family member when I got my Evo so can't check.
Might be a better speaker, but I doubt it will ever sound as good.
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You are probably right. I gave mine away also and havent looked at one in a while. Thanks.
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Tp2 had two speakers from what i remember
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Blackcircle said:
...http://www.globaldirectparts.com/HTC-Touch-Pro2-Loud-Speaker-p/htc737530.htm
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It looks like that site has a minimum quantity required for ordering items. Is there a way around that or are you going to order the minimum and resell them?
bill875 said:
It looks like that site has a minimum quantity required for ordering items. Is there a way around that or are you going to order the minimum and resell them?
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I must have missed that. I was only using the site to show the photo. I will find it somewhere else.
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cor4twenty said:
Tp2 had two speakers from what i remember
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If thats the case i guess that kills the idea then.
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They both use the same parts...same thing with the headset speaker
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iitreatedii said:
They both use the same parts...same thing with the headset speaker
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So I guess mobius999 was right then. It is the back cover that makes all the difference.
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Yuppers...different cases produce different soubds
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The sound doesn't look like it travels directly out of the speaker from what I saw when I took my 0003 apart, that plastic gasket makes me thing an attempt to "BOSE" it up...
Touch Pro 2 | TP2 | Rhodium | Speaker
cor4twenty said:
Tp2 had two speakers from what i remember
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I'm not sure if the TP2 has 2 speakers or just 2 speaker ports, but sound is definitely emitted from both holes to the left & right of the camera. (see attached photos) I can confirm it sounds much, much better than my Evo, it is louder and reproduces a wider range of frequencies.
It looks like sound quality on the Evo may have been sacrificed for the dual flash. (TP2 always took horrible photos for me.) If the TP2 and Evo share the same single speaker, the improvements are likely attributable to the case. Perhaps some modifications to the speaker / camera housing and the battery cover could yield an improvement.
If the current speaker porting on the Evo restricts airflow excessively it would lower the volume and could cause additional stress on the speaker itself causing them to fail prematurely and / or sound like crap. I am no expert in this specific speaker technology but at a basic level there is a physical mechanism moving which in turn moves the air (aka sound). If the air flow is constricted it will provide increased resistance against the speaker.
From what I remember the TP2 had two speakers. Not for stereo but for different ranges...one was lows and the other was highs. You could cover up each speaker while music was playing and hear the difference as you moved your finger from speaker to speaker.
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I'm not sure if the TP2 has 2 speakers or just 2 speaker ports, but sound is definitely emitted from both holes to the left & right of the camera. (see attached photos) I can confirm it sounds much, much better than my Evo, it is louder and reproduces a wider range of frequencies.
It looks like sound quality on the Evo may have been sacrificed for the dual flash. (TP2 always took horrible photos for me.) If the TP2 and Evo share the same single speaker, the improvements are likely attributable to the case. Perhaps some modifications to the speaker / camera housing and the battery cover could yield an improvement.
If the current speaker porting on the Evo restricts airflow excessively it would lower the volume and could cause additional stress on the speaker itself causing them to fail prematurely and / or sound like crap. I am no expert in this specific speaker technology but at a basic level there is a physical mechanism moving which in turn moves the air (aka sound). If the air flow is constricted it will provide increased resistance against the speaker.
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This is exactly what I gathered after reading some of peoples input including yours. Even if the speakers are the same, I don't think it will make a difference. The back cover and housing are the key I think. Im going to play around with it this weekend see what I can come up with.
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I switched from GNex because I couldn't stand that plastic back panel crackling and how cheap it feels (like every Samsung does). Now I have N4 and what started happening to my GNex after two weeks, the same thing started happening to my brand new N4 after 4 freakin' days!!! I am pissed beyond words! This is suppose to be Google's flagship? Seriously?! I seriously regret that I didn't take HTC One instead!
Even small pressure, like putting the phone on desk or holding in hand, will push back plate slightly into phone, thus creating gap right next to it on the right side and on bottom of the left side. When I put it to my hand to clean the display the back plate will make move again. So in the end almost every pick-up I make is "packed" with crackling sound from either back plate or sides, like if I was holding cheap Samsung crap for 1 €! I didn't pay 450 € for this disappointment!
Thanks for your opinion. Not.
This thread is going to be closed.
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I switched from GNex because I couldn't stand that plastic back panel crackling and how cheap it feels (like every Samsung does). Now I have N4 and what started happening to my GNex after two weeks, the same thing started happening to my brand new N4 after 4 freakin' days!!! I am pissed beyond words! This is suppose to be Google's flagship? Seriously?! I seriously regret that I didn't take HTC One instead!
Even small pressure, like putting the phone on desk or holding in hand, will push back plate slightly into phone, thus creating gap right next to it on the right side and on bottom of the left side. When I put it to my hand to clean the display the back plate will make move again. So in the end almost every pick-up I make is "packed" with crackling sound from either back plate or sides, like if I was holding cheap Samsung crap for 1 €! I didn't pay 450 € for this disappointment!
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Its a tiny creaking noise, and from that you're saying it feels like crap? *Cough"OCD*Cough* Let the phone 'ware in'..
It's anything but tiny. I can hear it and feel how it moves by simply using it. I don't need to perform any special moves or something. A simple pick up suffice. Considering this phone has nothing removable (except SIM card), but still manage to bring the same issue, it says a lot about it's build quality.
I think it's the issue with your particular Nexus 4... mine one feels very solid. :/ maybe try to exhcnage the phone?
I used to have a GS3 but i couldnt stand its cheap materials, so the nexus 4 feels like a much needed upgrade in terms of hardware
The back panel literally bends into the phone. How is this even possible with glass back panel is beyond my comprehension.
P.S.: I was worried, like many others, that I'll scratch it somehow and somewhere, so I was keeping safe. I mean extremely safe. I didn't even imagine that this would happen regardless what I do.
I would not call the device crap if you are having problems. Its something wrong with you or that particular device, as numerous people and developers love this phone
This guy is for fail
What did you really hope to accomplish by posting this here? Your first world OCD problem does not concern any of us and in fact and this may come as a shock. Most people frequenting this forum happen to like our N4. Stop being a whiny ***** and sell it if you don't like it.
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It's anything but tiny. I can hear it and feel how it moves by simply using it. I don't need to perform any special moves or something. A simple pick up suffice. Considering this phone has nothing removable (except SIM card), but still manage to bring the same issue, it says a lot about it's build quality.
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The noise most likely comes from the camera assy when the lens moves inside it. (known feature since the launch)
And the back glass indeed does flex some under pressure. Most likely thats a feature also to minimize the risk of breaking the back glass.
At least my rev11 version does flex (very)little when i press it.
Did you even test the phone anywhere before buying it?
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I switched from GNex because I couldn't stand that plastic back panel crackling and how cheap it feels (like every Samsung does). Now I have N4 and what started happening to my GNex after two weeks, the same thing started happening to my brand new N4 after 4 freakin' days!!! I am pissed beyond words! This is suppose to be Google's flagship? Seriously?! I seriously regret that I didn't take HTC One instead!
Even small pressure, like putting the phone on desk or holding in hand, will push back plate slightly into phone, thus creating gap right next to it on the right side and on bottom of the left side. When I put it to my hand to clean the display the back plate will make move again. So in the end almost every pick-up I make is "packed" with crackling sound from either back plate or sides, like if I was holding cheap Samsung crap for 1 €! I didn't pay 450 € for this disappointment!
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****ing douchebag, go back to your cave of iPhones since you think that's quality, and HTC one isn't even better..just because its aluminum makes it better?? Gtfooh..and don't think you can resell it either at full price because its probably beat to **** with no screen protector like every other phone a crack head sells on craigslist
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So get mommy and daddy to buy you another different phone.
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So this is how it supposed to work right? Your gonna tell us, how the N4 feels like a cheap piece of crap, and if we disagree we are either A) in denial? or B) out hands aren't as finely acute as yours are and we are just too simple to realize the crappiness that is the N4 build? Thanks for this, without I would still think that the N4's build quality was actually one of the finer points of the phone.
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Thread closed. If you dont like the device sell it and get something else. Simple.