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Just a useless thread, but I can't help but share !
So I'm sitting at my desk yesterday at work, with my Touch just sitting out in the open, and along comes a fellow sales rep. He picks up the phone, looks at, and says, "HA! I heard this phone sucks!" I wanted to tell him to f*** off, but we joke around a lot, so I really wasn't pissed. But, I did get a kick out of it. Whoever owns this phone and thinks it sucks, probably shouldn't own this phone, and has no clue of what it can do!
i love the phone i just wish the screen was bigger!
Let me guess, he uses a i****?
mac envy
For those of us who started with DOS and then came this cool mac thing with drop and drag we understand this ibrick envy. thank god for competition because without it windows users would still be typing in **** like C: and not getting a smiley face emoticon. This phone is great (i would say HTC is great). its funny to see the i**** showing how to download 3rd party software as a "new" thing when this phone had that long time ago. now if verizon could get off their tech hiding, lets milk this one out mode...
I too get really tired of reading how badly this phone sucks - mainly on other forums and it's a shame cuz I think this is definetly my favorite phone in a LONG time. Windows Mobile has always been great for me but the past year and a half learning on this forum has helped me and many of my buddies "pimp" lol the crap out of our phones, seriously I am not jealous one bit of an iPOS. Even the ladies think it's bad too... You have all these guys out there that think they know what's up because they downloaded an app on their iPhones and its sooo cool then I pop open my Touch and own em all with all the crap this phone can do.
That's the problem now, though.. now the iTools going to be experts cuz of the "App Store" and will be all over you trying to impress you cuz they can "install appzz on thier iPhones!" OMFG WOW LOLZ!!!!! Shoot me now.
When I first got this phone it did suck.
The stock rom was balls. It was clunky, slow, and half the time incomming calls would not come through due to the phone staying in sleep mode.
Pocket IE is also terrible. It leaves a bad experience after using it for a while.
I can understand why people would give this phone a bad review.
After flashing a custom rom and adding a few 3rd party apps like opera 9.5 this phone is great.
Yea I agree...
When I first heard about this phone coming out I was really excited to see it in action, but when I tried it out at the Sprint store I was highly disappointed and basically opted for a Motorola Q over this phone. The Q was a nice phone while it lasted, but it only lasted me for a little over a year. I started getting excited when I heard the Instinct was coming out and got the "new cell phone itch" all over again. I then heard so many bad reviews of the Instinct and didn't want to switch off my plan (SERO). So I looked into this phone again and found out how crazily you can mod it (thanks to Youtube videos mainly). In my opinion this phone blows both the iPhone and the Instinct wayyyy out of the water. Now i'm wishing I could buy the Diamond when it comes out...but I'm in no rush to get rid of this phone any time soon.
I find that most people dont even know that Verizon sells this phone, besides, this thing is a Chick magnet, especially with my Whee Skin, Haha!
the only thing the diamond has on the vogue is a better camera, wifi and 64mb more ram, same processor same screen size 2.8" i would stick with the vogue oh and 2 more hardware keys
In 2 months it will be a year since the thread was created. Crazy how time flies....
I for my part still love my htc touch.
always get SO amused when an colleague, Iphone user, starts ranting about, ultimately, how better his phone is, and i go:
oh yeah, this Iphone is sooo awesome, but you know, it was too expensive at the time for what i was willing to spend for a cell, 600$ is... welll... a laptop, right? plus...you know, i couldnt resist 10$ a month for unlimited internet, and 10$ a month for unlimited emails & messenger... and theres the GPS chip... yeah it has a gps chip.. not the triangulation antenna thingy...did i mention 20$ unlimited... yeah.... but the Iphone rocks tho ! yeah... oh yah i get to install a lots of free apps too...ya know...
...kills me everytime...
(no seriously, to each his own, it's all good, but i'm keeping my htc touch for a while more, heck, till it catches on fire ! )
am keeping mine until i get my diamond2 on sprint..... contract ends in december... hopefully by then....
or if i like the touchpro2 ... MAYBE.. i dont like physical keyboards much
still fun
finally got my phone where i like it and it kinda bums me out cuz i dont wanna do any major mods to further trick it (and have to deal with the bugs). the vzw store only had two phones that came close to the touch even a year later. the only thing missing on the touch is g accelerator at this point. for the size and function i still love this phone too.
Lmao! Wow I forgot about this thread! Though I feel ashamed now cause I have an iPhone.
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Lmao! Wow I forgot about this thread! Though I feel ashamed now cause I have an iPhone.
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hahah ew.... iphone :S
great phone
iphone is nice ui but it is the only ui you get.The iphone is exactly like every other iphone. It is ok if you want to be a drone like everybody else, and want everything done for u, but if you want to alter your phone to the infinite level, in every category then this phone rocks. It is a little dated now but still has new custom roms coming out all the time. New programs and ui's being ported to it. This phone will be around a long time. I have unlimited internet for seven bucks, my email is free and sent to me via shaw's server just like on my pc. Free gps, I use orb to stream my analog and digital channels to my phone free with almost no buffering on a high speed network. I can listen to almost any radio station in the world free. Weather delivered , up to date...free
navigation....free. rss feeds,bluetooth,camera,windows office, opera , silent tethering to pc or handheld, google maps,mp3 player. There is so much you can do with this phone. It is a great introductory level phone for learning basics and beyond.i pay 37 dollars a month for my plan and i have a buddy who pays 120 a month for his iphone on a good month. i will stick with this one until i can afford a Leo or whitestone.
i luv the phone. when i first got it, i thought i would be bigger. I just wish it had more ram and a g senor.
i love the vogue but i hate winmo with a passion. sad to say but im ditching the vogue in a few months for the pre or hero.
I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
It's true that no TV Out is sad, but in which case should it be usefull?
I always have my computer when i want to watch thing on "big" screen...
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I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
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Never needed a TV out on my phone and don't think I ever will. Guess its time to say bye bye! Main reason I stay with HTC is for the overwhelming support on this forum. Good look on finding that with the Omnia.
Wait til the Tegra phones start coming out, then it's more likely to happen.
I think the usefulness of TV out speaks for itself which is why it is already on the main contender flagship phones and on other HTC devices. Watching movies with freinds, showing photo slidehows with family, business presentations etc, the uses are endless.
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
One thing i don't understand... You'r Coming to this Forum to say that you Wont buy a hd2? It's like I go to a ford seller to say that I won't buy a ford... So what?
This comes from the frustration I have witht he HD v1 and HTC's dealing with drivers and video performance (still unaddressed). like me a lot of people were hoping this was going to be the phone the HD1 wasnt, disapointment, not anger really.
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I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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haha, well said. +1
12aon said:
I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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+1 here as well.
I'm not quite sure what all the fuss is about. Yes, the mobile phone market is now about having as many features as possible on 1 device, but how many people make use of all the features? The more features they can cram into one device the more compromises they make over the quality of them all. There's two lists of requirements, 'must haves' and 'nice to haves', video call, TV-out better camera are all part of the nice to have list. HTC has always been a business oriented company focusing on the needs of the business and they have never set out to be the best of the best. It's was only when Samsung and Apple arrived on the scene that everyone demanded HTC to be more consumer focused. HTC are making slow progress to addressing this issue and they'll slowly get there. Look at Blackberries, they're still going strong and most of their phones have half the features we're expecting these days.
So, if you don't like the HD2, don't complain, you either like it or hate it! Move on!
TOUCH HD vs. OMNIA II vs. HD 2
Hello
I'm coming from an ETEN X500 over a N95 for two years and I want to go back to touchscreen now. I know the usage of the HD from a friend of mine, the Iphone and I have played around for 3 Hours last Thursday with the OMNIA II i8000.
The result is, that the OMNIA has TV Out but you can not use this thing in everydays life. Its awfull slow, the UI is horrible and the touchscreen is bad.
The AMOLED is great, ok. But at the end I think Samsung needs about 2 generations of phones to reach the Touch HD. And if the HD 2 is only half as good as the reviews say its much better than the Samsung devices.
The lag of TV-Out is sad anyway.
Bye
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I was an early adopter of the first generation touch HD and was instantly underwhelmed by this "flagship" phone, mainly due to its poor video capabilities and lack of TV out.
So, we on earth have yet again taken a step back?, no tv out, granted the video capabilites are up to scratch but to not offer TV out at this stage is for want of a better word and insult.
The main contenders the iphone and omnia 2 and omnia HD both offer good tv out but HTC have again decided to offer us a cut down "flagship" phone. For me this is the last straw.
Where I cannot move to IPhone as I hate itunes with a passion that should only be reserved for a child killer it is starting to look like this is the only option as the samsungs have there own little problems.
I have 7 months left on my contract and may even keep the HD until someone comes out with a decent snap drap / arm cpu that has HD out on winmo.
HD2, suck my pole..!
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your posting is just to personal. I saw numerous complaints about lack video out, but I'm sure just a small amount of users like you will be disappointed, but is this a real deal breaker? It doesn't bother me a tiny bit at all. I was disappointed only by the lack of front camera, but I wouldn't make a thread trying to tell everyone HD2 sucks because it doesn't have one for me. How many phones are that perfect so far? HD2 is pretty much the most perfect phone to me and I'm sure to many others that didn't even bother about your complaint here.
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I don't understand all the emotion surrounding these phones, if you like it you buy if you don't, buy it not. I was disappointed in the TP2 specs, so I did not buy it. Someone wiser than me once said: Don't leave angry, just leave. It's better that way though, right?
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You are one Cool dude
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haha, well said. +1
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Signed!
Another +1
lol, what a load of lovely "emotional" reactions, if you agree with 12aon's post, in that you actually understand what he was saying then some of you should be asking youselves why you bothered to post and did not just ignore my comments...
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shu8i said:
One thing i don't understand... You'r Coming to this Forum to say that you Wont buy a hd2? It's like I go to a ford seller to say that I won't buy a ford... So what?
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lol damn right, +10
Im not buying the HD2 because i dont like the boot screen!
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Never needed a TV out on my phone and don't think I ever will. Guess its time to say bye bye! Main reason I stay with HTC is for the overwhelming support on this forum. Good look on finding that with the Omnia.
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I don't see the need for TV out either...with a 360 and upnp I can stream from any of my laptops etc, and frankly if I'm brining media elsewhere I'm not going to cross my fingers that whereever I go is going to have the right connector (vga vs hdmi vs component vs svideo vs rca etc).
It's too bad that this is such an important thing to you- my real concerns are lack of a d-pad, but even that won't stop me from picking one of these up like free booze at an AA convention.
clearly you all have much more money than I do, when I buy a new gadget, (now lets not pretend it is anything else as if you just wanted a phone you would still have your 10 year old nokia), I want to get my moneys worth. For me to shell out another effective £500+ on a phone it has to be a decent upgrade.. what are we really getting here?, big screen, so what?, same res as hd1, compass, give me a break, speed - granted you get speed but with the right ROM the HD1 is more than adequate to do most things, albeit with a bit of reenocding.
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clearly you all have much more money than I do, when I buy a new gadget, (now lets not pretend it is anything else as if you just wanted a phone you would still have your 10 year old nokia), I want to get my moneys worth. For me to shell out another effective £500+ on a phone it has to be a decent upgrade.. what are we really getting here?, big screen, so what?, same res as hd1, compass, give me a break, speed - granted you get speed but with the right ROM the HD1 is more than adequate to do most things, albeit with a bit of reenocding.
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I am no HD Owner but from my raph point of perspective this is a pretty decent upgrade and I feel after all this time squeezing the most out of my raph that this phone out of the box doesn't need any squeezing. When I will cook a ROM for this phone I'm going to make sure that everthing that works now is stays that way and loose the extra's.
If you have a chance to test it or check it out, I would recommend doing so you might be a little more suprised then you suspect. That being said there are still a couple of decent devices in HTC's line up, and if you are HTC HD you might just have to hold on to your HD for a bit, as its probably to young for you to throw it aside ,
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I love my Nexus One. It was my introduction to android and boy, was it a good one. I sold my iPhone 3gs for it and never looked backed. One thing has been nagging at me all the while though.
While I love my N1 and agree it is a power house of a phone, the multitouch issues just drive me nuts.
I love gaming on a phone, and while android isn't known for its amazing games like iDevices (c'mon, we all know this) all I can really get out of it is emulation. With the N1's bad multitouch problems, its hard as heck to play anything decent. So I decided I'm jumping the N1 ship and switching to the epic.
So, post in this thread if you, like me, are deciding to switch to another android device, and what's your reason.
Hito
So long as your still an Android lol
The Epic looks nice, but im not a Sprint guy
See you at the next Dev Phone
Aside from the better multitouch, I'm sure you'll also appreciate the better GPU. Congrats on the good choice of upgrades.
For me? Personally? Multi-touch is a TAD bit sketch sometimes But honestly? I have an Xbox 360 for my gaming needs.. iPhone games are nice and cool and good looking (especially on iPhone 4) but it's a terrible OS. and I dislike sprint.
I just got a Nexus One today again, after not having one for a month and i am so happy. I'd rather have the phone do things like tether and torrent and BE PRODUCTIVE rather thank play games on it. And sure, every now and again i do play games so i have emulators and knock-off tetris'. IMO
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For me? Personally? Multi-touch is a TAD bit sketch sometimes But honestly? I have an Xbox 360 for my gaming needs.. iPhone games are nice and cool and good looking (especially on iPhone 4) but it's a terrible OS. and I dislike sprint.
I just got a Nexus One today again, after not having one for a month and i am so happy. I'd rather have the phone do things like tether and torrent and BE PRODUCTIVE rather thank play games on it. And sure, every now and again i do play games so i have emulators and knock-off tetris'. IMO
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Great choice, I have a vibrant and a n1, and im gonna say I wont pick my n1 up again till it gets gingerbread, and even then.
The sgs is awesome for gaming. The gpu is Amazimg. Its so nice to have proper Multitouch, if the n1s MT was better it would have been so much nicer.
Congratulations and you will love it as much as I love my vibrant I'm sure .
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I love my Nexus One. It was my introduction to android and boy, was it a good one. I sold my iPhone 3gs for it and never looked backed. One thing has been nagging at me all the while though.
While I love my N1 and agree it is a power house of a phone, the multitouch issues just drive me nuts.
I love gaming on a phone, and while android isn't known for its amazing games like iDevices (c'mon, we all know this) all I can really get out of it is emulation. With the N1's bad multitouch problems, its hard as heck to play anything decent. So I decided I'm jumping the N1 ship and switching to the epic.
So, post in this thread if you, like me, are deciding to switch to another android device, and what's your reason.
Hito
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How are you making the switch?
Breaking T-Mobile/AT&T contract?
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How are you making the switch?
Breaking T-Mobile/AT&T contract?
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I'm contract free on T-mobile but I just don't find it necessary to keep the N1 as it isn't usable on CDMA networks, thus we are parting ways. =(
And yes, I I'm forever sticking with android. It's truly amazing how freedom really feels. XD
Hito
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And yes, I I'm forever sticking with android. It's truly amazing how freedom really feels. XD
Hito
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Unless you're on an ATT android device.
Lolwut?
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Unless you're on an ATT android device.
Lolwut?
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Touche
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How much are you selling your N1 for?
I'm buying a G2 on preorder (if that ever happens). If not, getting it the first day.
I never really liked keyboards on a phone, that's why I took back my MT3GSlide and ordered a nexus. IMO it just makes the product bulkier. But the G2 is almost like a nexus with a hidden keyboard...And a brand new processor.
But that's still just a dream, until they "reveal" it. I'm starting to think leaking is a new advertising technique lol.
And I'll still keep the N1 for ****s and giggles, it is a dev phone after all
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How much are you selling your N1 for?
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Just sold a few hours ago. It was priced at $380. It has a scratch on the back cover and a scuff on the bottom antennae cover as well as wear on the right side of the casing. It was for t-mobile with boot loader unlocked, so I say that is more than a fair price.
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I'm buying a G2 on preorder (if that ever happens). If not, getting it the first day.
I never really liked keyboards on a phone, that's why I took back my MT3GSlide and ordered a nexus. IMO it just makes the product bulkier. But the G2 is almost like a nexus with a hidden keyboard...And a brand new processor.
But that's still just a dream, until they "reveal" it. I'm starting to think leaking is a new advertising technique lol.
And I'll still keep the N1 for ****s and giggles, it is a dev phone after all
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Same here G2 looks to be a Nexus with a keyboard! (although im also hoping to get a galaxy tab )
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Just sold a few hours ago. It was priced at $380. It has a scratch on the back cover and a scuff on the bottom antennae cover as well as wear on the right side of the casing. It was for t-mobile with boot loader unlocked, so I say that is more than a fair price.
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Definitely a fair price given the condition. Good luck with the Epic man... I was tempted to switch to Spring, but I just can't stomach the thought of not being able to easily switch phones around.
Why not the vibrant? If your a gamer I guess its the right phone for you. However you will miss your n1. I bought a captivate used it for a 1 1/2 month and returned it. I am not a gamer. I need to multi task. Of captivate was nice but not for me. I was able to do more on my n1 and it was nice to have froyo. I might wait for galaxy tab though. That looks nice. Well have fun with a new device. Its always fun getting a new toy.
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Why not the vibrant? If your a gamer I guess its the right phone for you. However you will miss your n1. I bought a captivate used it for a 1 1/2 month and returned it. I am not a gamer. I need to multi task. Of captivate was nice but not for me. I was able to do more on my n1 and it was nice to have froyo. I might wait for galaxy tab though. That looks nice. Well have fun with a new device. Its always fun getting a new toy.
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I thought about it, but I really miss keyboards for emulation. The cliq was horrible! The bulk never bothers me as I never pocket a phone anyway. I already miss my N1, but that's because I don't have an android replacement yet ! XD.
Another reason is the Dev community. While the N1 community trumps nearly any other with great guys such as in this thread, I feel that with the galaxy S line will do what the N1 was supposed to do, but never got the chance, and that's going to all major US carriers. So my hopes are that this will bring out a great community hopefully like that of the N1.
Also my iPad is up on eBay so I can buy an android tab....
I just finished arranging my Xoom in its original packaging and placed it back in its Verizon bag to go back as soon as tomorrow. Unfortunately after some heated internal debating ive decided that the Xoom is not the Tablet for me.
My first experience with Android was with my beloved EVO 4G and ive since become very fond of its in and outs. I hoped i would feel the same way with the Xoom and Android in Tablet form. Unfortunately some glaring ommisions and simply blatant misguided intentions keep me from loving what is an otherwise spectacular piece of hardware.
First off, for a device that claims to be a true Ipad competitor one of the most important areas to address is MEDIA. My mom has an Ipad 3g that i purchased and set up for her and everything runs flawlessly in its limited ecosystem. The Xoom while a much more capable piece of hardware is severely lacking in its implemented media delivery system. How a tablet could even be shipped without a dedicated video player is just beyond absurd to me(im sorry GALLERY is NOT the first place anyone would look to find movies) That wouldnt even be so bad if it weren't for the fact that getting movies on your device is simple enough but watching them is a downright chore. On the Ipad most video formats arent supported, but with one simple app i was able to load any movie i wanted and play it without the hassle of Itunes compatability. Xoom on the other hand has had me spend HOURS converting and researching Video files and codecs and converters just to get a movie to play on my Xoom without the framerate of dialup porn in the 90's. Ive made great progress with this as well, but why should i have to? If i werent me and i were just your average consumer i would be completely lost and frustrated.
So right out the gate weve got a
-4G tablet with NO 4G(pending)
-Expandable Memory(Pending)
-Flash Support(Pending)
-HD Video support(De-Pending on how computer savvy you are)
But ultimately the True Nail in the coffin for me was VERIZON. I chose to go the subsidized route due to the absence of a WiFi only option. I figured i was getting the WiFI version/price plus 3G if i wanted it. But after some hard thinking i realized.... I HATE VERIZON. We have a sordid past involving a cellphone i once had( a MOTOROLA btw, first and only ive ever owned) that wound up leaving me permanently soured on that particular carrier. So the fact that i was so anxious to get a Xoom that i actually got back in bed with these guys took a couple of days to set in. But being that im an avid early adopter i decided i could not be contractually obligated to a first Gen piece of hardware for two years.
I truly believe that the Xoom has potential up the wahzoo. But i cant allow myself to be suckered into playing the waiting game like some lonely side piece waiting for their lover to drop the axe on his marriage. I think there is a place for the Xoom in my life, but only in Wifi form and @ $600 unsubsidized. Once that becomes a reality then i will likely be back for seconds. Until then ill have to swallow my $70 restocking fee but atleast ill be $580 richer and VERIZONless. isnt thats what relly matters in the end?
So... if i read that right.. Your one complaint that you didn't know about before hand was the video player. That's totally understandable.
The rest of it is just plain *****ing, you knew about all of those things BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT and you're just coming here to ***** for no reason.
Sorry I'm just so tired of these posts, everyone knows what the xoom is/isn't capable of, yet they go and pay $800 then ***** about it non stop.
Some people like to buy things, play with them for a week, and then decide to return them based on things they knew when they bought them. Then they come on forums and complain about a device they no longer own.
What kind of responses do you want, do you want us to feel sorry for you?
And let me get this straight....you payed $799 for the Xoom, and now your going to pay a $70 restocking fee. Yet an $600 WiFi only model 2 months down the road sounds good to you? What?
you are one pissed off dude
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So... if i read that right.. Your one complaint that you didn't know about before hand was the video player. That's totally understandable.
The rest of it is just plain *****ing, you knew about all of those things BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT and you're just coming here to ***** for no reason.
Sorry I'm just so tired of these posts, everyone knows what the xoom is/isn't capable of, yet they go and pay $800 then ***** about it non stop.
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Actually no one knows that the Xoom isn't capable of playing back what everyone would consider HD media, because they sell it on this point in every commercial without feeling the need to clarify that its only in their VERY specific and unused form of 720p and 1080p that videos actually play. Everyone who asks me about the Xoom is surprised to hear that its dual core processor and eight core GPU is incapable of playing back HD h.264 in high profile, which is what everyone has. And it IS a Tegra 2 issue. I had an owner of a Notion Ink test on video that a high profile video is incapable of being played on the Notion Ink, so the claim made by multiple people here that its a lack of codecs for the Xoom seems to be false. The video is posted in the general section.
As for the other issues, yea the OP pretty much spent money on something knowing its shortcomings and is complaining about his bad decision. And how do you sign a 2 year contract with a company that you hate???
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Actually no one knows that the Xoom isn't capable of playing back what everyone would consider HD media, because they sell it on this point in every commercial without feeling the need to clarify that its only in their VERY specific and unused form of 720p and 1080p that videos actually play. Everyone who asks me about the Xoom is surprised to hear that its dual core processor and eight core GPU is incapable of playing back HD h.264 in high profile, which is what everyone has. And it IS a Tegra 2 issue. I had an owner of a Notion Ink test on video that a high profile video is incapable of being played on the Notion Ink, so the claim made by multiple people here that its a lack of codecs for the Xoom seems to be false. The video is posted in the general section.
As for the other issues, yea the OP pretty much got spent money on something knowing its shortcomings and is complaining about his bad decision.
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That's what I meant when I said there was one issue he didn't know about.
That's what I love about android it doesn't hold your hand and wipe your ass so to speak. Its and operating system that is full customizable. Hell you couldn't even change the wallpaper on an iPhone for years.....
The lack of video player makes sense but the fact that you can download any player out want makes up for it. Rockplayer lite can play pretty much any video you can throw at it.
SKReeettttt... hold [email protected]!!
I was merely pointing out the main points to why im choosing to return my XOOM but i just figured my post was long enough without tunring this into a miniseries. I dont expect any sympathy. I totally admit that i made a choice and in the end decided that it wasnt the right choice for me, thats all. Im allowed to change my mind arent i?. No i didnt pay 799. I payed 599(subsidized) which meant ill be on contract with Verizon for 2 years until the Ipad 4 comes out (not cool).
I did all of my homework before making this purchase. But even given that info without any solid confirmations from a number of companies until literally the 11th hour alot of it was guesswork. So i became my own guinea pig and if all it costs me is 70 bucks i think i got off easy.
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SKReeettttt... hold [email protected]!!
I was merely pointing out the main points to why im choosing to return my XOOM but i just figured my post was long enough without tunring this into a miniseries. I dont expect any sympathy. I totally admit that i made a choice and in the end decided that it wasnt the right choice for me, thats all. Im allowed to change my mind arent i?. No i didnt pay 799. I payed 599(subsidized) which meant ill be on contract with Verizon for 2 years until the Ipad 4 comes out (not cool).
I did all of my homework before making this purchase. But even given that info without any solid confirmations from a number of companies until literally the 11th hour alot of it was guesswork. So i became my own guinea pig and if all it costs me is 70 bucks i think i got off easy.
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Ipad4??????? I plan to have the xoom 3.
After all these post it seems they have I pad experience and want to go back to the drone life
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I sympathize with your frustration. Despite all the sugar coating and the feel good positive self help encouragement on this board, the reality is, that there really isn't an excuse for a device to have these shortcomings. If its not ready to be released don't release it.
I am amazed at how much crap people will put up with. $800 + tax to spend hours encoding videos -SERIOUSLY!!
Seems like every other post is some form of be patient and their will be unicorns and roses and sunshine just around the corner.
I am willing to bet you guys are all 100% right about all the fixes. Last I checked the turn-around time for new tech these days is about the time it takes to blink.
By the time the fixes are available, they will likely all be distributed in one, complete, non downloadable format called the XOOM 2.
Some of you are very defensive!
The OP knew the device had some shortcomings but wanted to give it a shot anyway. He did, and found more things he had an issue with. He doesn't want a 2year contract with VZW and decided to give us an account of why he is returning it. Get off his back.
does best buy charge a restocking fee for the xoom? if they don't i may be right behind the op in the next few days.
the having to re-encode video is killing it for me. i bought this as a media consumption device, a large part of that being videos, maybe using it with my hdtv too.
if i have to spend hours converting video, thats just a waste of time, id be better served using my samsung epic phone.
thats just sad, my freaking cell phone plays video better than the xoom.
seeing hte xoom and adam comparison video was disheartening. i have read that the tegra 2 was demoed by nvidia playing h264 1080p high profile video at 10mbit and its supposed to be able to do 720p high profile at 20mbit.
both the xoom and adam seem to be incapable of this currently, that being said, it is still POSSIBLE that this can be solved with software/codecs.
the problem is when and what if? if it does happen, when will it be? but what if it doesn't happen?
as i watch the days tick away till my deadline where the xoom is no longer returnable, im getting more and more concerned because i don't want to be stuck with an $800 device that only does half of what it advertised.
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sorry a bout that, just wanted to get it off my chest too. i just don't know what to do. i see the potential in the device, but i also understand the fact that the potential may never be realized.
everyone is pissed off
Yawn.
iPad and likely iPad 2 cannot even do real multitasking and these are the things we find to complain about.
It's ok to have buyers remorse for the price, but anyone in the Android world knows that the beauty of the ecosystem is something and somebody will almost certainly come along and fix whatever problem you have.
It's a simple trade off between flexibility and the Apple dictatorship, if you want to be locked into what a system can do, be sure to buy an iPad, where if you have a problem, you are almost certainly stuck with it forever.
It an easy choice for me, I do not stress out waiting for improvements, I enjoy the continuously improvements over the lifetime of the hardware. I cannot even image being locked into the Apples 'my way or the highway' environment.
And in 5 years when Android is 70% of the market and Apple is relegated to it's sub 30% share, where it is most comfortable, there is a reason.
And last but not least, no device is perfect, and to expect that invites disappointment every time.
Not that he said he was going to iPad, but others in the thread seemed to suggest that is there solution.
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Yawn.
iPad and likely iPad 2 cannot even do real multitasking and these are the things we find to complain about.
It's ok to have buyers remorse for the price, but anyone in the Android world knows that the beauty of the ecosystem is something and somebody will almost certainly come along and fix whatever problem you have.
It's a simple trade off between flexibility and the Apple dictatorship, if you want to be locked into what a system can do, be sure to buy an iPad, where if you have a problem, you are almost certainly stuck with it forever.
It an easy choice for me, I do not stress out waiting for improvements, I enjoy the continuously improvements over the lifetime of the hardware. I cannot even image being locked into the Apples 'my way or the highway' environment.
And in 5 years when Android is 70% of the market and Apple is relegated to it's sub 30% share, where it is most comfortable, there is a reason.
And last but not least, no device is perfect, and to expect that invites disappointment every time.
Not that he said he was going to iPad, but others in the thread seemed to suggest that is there solution.
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Why do you assume that everyone who returns a XOOM wil immediately run out and buy an iPad. Many may just chose to wait and see what Samsung and LG and others will produce.
I have a Galaxy Tab and I chose to wait at this point. I'm not running out and buying an Apple device. This battle isn't all Apples and Oranges - or Androids and Apples......
My Nexus 1 couldn't record 720 video and FM didn't work until enterprising hackers figured out how to enable it. If I was waiting on official channels, it still wouldn't work. Just because Moto can't figure it out doesn't mean it won't eventually be done.
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My Nexus 1 couldn't record 720 video and FM didn't work until enterprising hackers figured out how to enable it. If I was waiting on official channels, it still wouldn't work. Just because Moto can't figure it out doesn't mean it won't eventually be done.
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Agreeded. My wife and I each have a Xoom and we love it. Sure it has some short comings, but so does every device. In the end, the biggest selling point for me for the Xoom was the unlocked bootloader and the Google experience device. The software on this thing is going to be hacked and chopped up to no end. That is what most people are missing. Who cares that it wasn't 100% ready at launch...seriously. I am much happier having one to play with now rather then waiting another month or 2 or 3. Any of you saying otherwise is lying to yourself because of self inflicted buyers remorse.
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Agreeded. My wife and I each have a Xoom and we love it. Sure it has some short comings, but so does every device. In the end, the biggest selling point for me for the Xoom was the unlocked bootloader and the Google experience device. The software on this thing is going to be hacked and chopped up to no end. That is what most people are missing. Who cares that it wasn't 100% ready at launch...seriously. I am much happier having one to play with now rather then waiting another month or 2 or 3. Any of you saying otherwise is lying to yourself because of self inflicted buyers remorse.
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I agree there's nothing greater then having a device that has flaws starting out and having the oportunity to watch them get fixed and watch the device grow I can't wait to see what the xoom will soon be able to do
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I just finished arranging my Xoom in its original packaging and placed it back in its Verizon bag to go back as soon as tomorrow. Unfortunately after some heated internal debating ive decided that the Xoom is not the Tablet for me.
My first experience with Android was with my beloved EVO 4G and ive since become very fond of its in and outs. I hoped i would feel the same way with the Xoom and Android in Tablet form. Unfortunately some glaring ommisions and simply blatant misguided intentions keep me from loving what is an otherwise spectacular piece of hardware.
First off, for a device that claims to be a true Ipad competitor one of the most important areas to address is MEDIA. My mom has an Ipad 3g that i purchased and set up for her and everything runs flawlessly in its limited ecosystem. The Xoom while a much more capable piece of hardware is severely lacking in its implemented media delivery system. How a tablet could even be shipped without a dedicated video player is just beyond absurd to me(im sorry GALLERY is NOT the first place anyone would look to find movies) That wouldnt even be so bad if it weren't for the fact that getting movies on your device is simple enough but watching them is a downright chore. On the Ipad most video formats arent supported, but with one simple app i was able to load any movie i wanted and play it without the hassle of Itunes compatability. Xoom on the other hand has had me spend HOURS converting and researching Video files and codecs and converters just to get a movie to play on my Xoom without the framerate of dialup porn in the 90's. Ive made great progress with this as well, but why should i have to? If i werent me and i were just your average consumer i would be completely lost and frustrated.
So right out the gate weve got a
-4G tablet with NO 4G(pending)
-Expandable Memory(Pending)
-Flash Support(Pending)
-HD Video support(De-Pending on how computer savvy you are)
But ultimately the True Nail in the coffin for me was VERIZON. I chose to go the subsidized route due to the absence of a WiFi only option. I figured i was getting the WiFI version/price plus 3G if i wanted it. But after some hard thinking i realized.... I HATE VERIZON. We have a sordid past involving a cellphone i once had( a MOTOROLA btw, first and only ive ever owned) that wound up leaving me permanently soured on that particular carrier. So the fact that i was so anxious to get a Xoom that i actually got back in bed with these guys took a couple of days to set in. But being that im an avid early adopter i decided i could not be contractually obligated to a first Gen piece of hardware for two years.
I truly believe that the Xoom has potential up the wahzoo. But i cant allow myself to be suckered into playing the waiting game like some lonely side piece waiting for their lover to drop the axe on his marriage. I think there is a place for the Xoom in my life, but only in Wifi form and @ $600 unsubsidized. Once that becomes a reality then i will likely be back for seconds. Until then ill have to swallow my $70 restocking fee but atleast ill be $580 richer and VERIZONless. isnt thats what relly matters in the end?
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I absolutely agree with you. Which is the reason my Xoom is also heading back to Best Buy. Its just not ready for prime time. Now i consider myself an early adopter and i have no problems doing so but this device is just way, way too young. Ill wait for it to mature again and purchase it later. In the mean time ill let my $800+ dollars sit in a high interest account ;-)
No one cares that you don't like it. Good bye have fun, hope you find what you are looking for elsewhere
Its been quite a ride with the Xperia play, but unfortunately it hasn't been that good.
When i first got it i packed it to the brim with games. All gameloft ones like backstab, NOVA... stuff like that. Of course i was the first one to have one in my college, *****es love xperias
After a while i noticed that the buttons and the slider werent as strong as they used to be, i disregarded it but it became worse and worse. I take amazing care of all my phones, i can't really remember a time when i've dropped one! And hell, i wouldnt even put my phone on a flat surface because i worry about grit underneath it xD
Eventually we got root, this bought life back into the phone but as i am simlocked, no unlocked bootloader for me... Also we didn't get that many "good" games. Apart from gameloft ones and some EA ones... However i mostly played LSD and some other ps1 titles on fpse
At about this point me (and im sure a few of you) realised that this phone is going... nowhere. Its not quite the "Playstation phone" i thought it would be.
So now... its going. Im going to go back to my motorola defy and stay there for a while.
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Its been quite a ride with the Xperia play, but unfortunately it hasn't been that good.
When i first got it i packed it to the brim with games. All gameloft ones like backstab, NOVA... stuff like that. Of course i was the first one to have one in my college, *****es love xperias
After a while i noticed that the buttons and the slider werent as strong as they used to be, i disregarded it but it became worse and worse. I take amazing care of all my phones, i can't really remember a time when i've dropped one! And hell, i wouldnt even put my phone on a flat surface because i worry about grit underneath it xD
Eventually we got root, this bought life back into the phone but as i am simlocked, no unlocked bootloader for me... Also we didn't get that many "good" games. Apart from gameloft ones and some EA ones... However i mostly played LSD and some other ps1 titles on fpse
At about this point me (and im sure a few of you) realised that this phone is going... nowhere. Its not quite the "Playstation phone" i thought it would be.
So now... its going. Im going to go back to my motorola defy and stay there for a while.
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wow dude, have some patience. Good games don't comes right away. Plus, take a look at the n64oid. I've spent some good ass quality time playing Zelda OOT. I've much faith in this phone and i think we'll see some real good games this year. But sorry if you don't like it.. it's your loss
I was very excited about minecraft coming out for it but i don't know...
As for old skool games, I completed pokemon gold and yellow on it (and super mario 6 gold coins 2)
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I was very excited about minecraft coming out for it but i don't know...
As for old skool games, I completed pokemon gold and yellow on it (and super mario 6 gold coins 2)
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well, i'm not trying to make you keep the phone. If you wanna buy another one, do it
Yeah man, go ahead and change your phone, the Xperia PLAY is my first smartphone...
and I got it almost for free on a cheap 18 month plan.
So far it has not let me down on anything... and I currently more games than I can actually play, and with the emulators currently available is almost a non-limited game source.
However if I decide to change my phone, the only one available in Mexico better than the PLAY is the Galaxy S2... but no way, I will fit a humoungous phone like that on my pocket, also the price is a big step up, and I will surely miss my dedicated game pad... So there's no way out for me just yet (not that Im looking for one)
Currently I feel like the slider part is a bit more loose and the X button is more difficult to press on time (is like it is a little bit more "pressed" than the other ones), but no BIG issue just yet... I still have 10 months under warranty, so I can change it later for a new one and sell it $$$.
Im concerned too about where is this phone going, but I will gladly wait, because there is no better option for me right now.
We will miss a you as a PLAY user, because there more of us in here the more support we can get from DEVs and SE.
What does the defy offer that you don't get from play? You gotta be kidding.. Going with Motorola's lmao
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You gave up before the main application - "Playstation Suite" was even released yet.
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You gave up before the main application - "Playstation Suite" was even released yet.
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+1 haha
replicant101 said:
Its been quite a ride with the Xperia play, but unfortunately it hasn't been that good.
When i first got it i packed it to the brim with games. All gameloft ones like backstab, NOVA... stuff like that. Of course i was the first one to have one in my college, *****es love xperias
After a while i noticed that the buttons and the slider werent as strong as they used to be, i disregarded it but it became worse and worse. I take amazing care of all my phones, i can't really remember a time when i've dropped one! And hell, i wouldnt even put my phone on a flat surface because i worry about grit underneath it xD
Eventually we got root, this bought life back into the phone but as i am simlocked, no unlocked bootloader for me... Also we didn't get that many "good" games. Apart from gameloft ones and some EA ones... However i mostly played LSD and some other ps1 titles on fpse
At about this point me (and im sure a few of you) realised that this phone is going... nowhere. Its not quite the "Playstation phone" i thought it would be.
So now... its going. Im going to go back to my motorola defy and stay there for a while.
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you can get out
Kriskawl, i just met you on rainbow 6,is your version glitchy? You can shoot me but I don't see you. I see an invisible guy shooting at me.
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I think someone expects too much. Honestly, I've found this phone to have lots of life in it, and it's not exactly going nowhere, what with all the development going on by people on this very website. Yeah locked bootloader sucks and yeah it would be nice to have a fix released today but to just give up after a couple months because you aren't getting exactly what you want...well, maybe you need to get out more, see how life really works.
Suck it up muffin, or leave in silence.
slider and button problems already? jeez what have you been doing to your phone? I bought mine shortly after it was released and it's still good as new.
and yes, games don't come overnight. patience is indeed a virtue. also, your phone choices are a mismatch.. Xperia Play against Defy? OMFG it's ridiculous
my missus has the defy and the only reason she has it is because she is a dozy bint who treats a phone like makeup, pop it in the bag and sling it on the floor when it's needed.
that's why it's the perfect phone for her but other than that it's ****e.
it's your choice what you do, not sure why you feel the need to let us all know though, not sure anybody cares?
It'd be nice of you to fulfill your bounty pledge
I am glad the people who have no patience are leaving and getting **** phones in comparison.
Like people who go from Android to iphone are so fail.
Less whinging here if all the the complainers change phones because they couldn't wait. Some phones don't ever get updates
I think some people are expecting to much. This is a phone after all not a dedicated gaming device.
The Xplay plays all the same games any other phone you get will do but other phones dont have gaming controls this is what it comes down to (for me anyways ). I cannot see how you would want to trade playing emulators + fpse with real controls for crappier gaming...
Even without root and an unlocked bootloader this phone still has alot going for it, no other phone can offer the gaming experience this phone offers and it does the job as a phone well in my opinion.
You may just be unluckly but i hammer my gaming pad and slider and i have even droped it once and its still seems fine.
You have warranty/insurance right? Well whats the problem if it breaks get it replaced...
yh this phones annoys the f out of me but its still under devolpment u wont find a better game phone becouse proper games aint been made yet
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I think someone expects too much. Honestly, I've found this phone to have lots of life in it, and it's not exactly going nowhere, what with all the development going on by people on this very website. Yeah locked bootloader sucks and yeah it would be nice to have a fix released today but to just give up after a couple months because you aren't getting exactly what you want...well, maybe you need to get out more, see how life really works.
Suck it up muffin, or leave in silence.
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slider and button problems already? jeez what have you been doing to your phone? I bought mine shortly after it was released and it's still good as new.
and yes, games don't come overnight. patience is indeed a virtue. also, your phone choices are a mismatch.. Xperia Play against Defy? OMFG it's ridiculous
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my missus has the defy and the only reason she has it is because she is a dozy bint who treats a phone like makeup, pop it in the bag and sling it on the floor when it's needed.
that's why it's the perfect phone for her but other than that it's ****e.
it's your choice what you do, not sure why you feel the need to let us all know though, not sure anybody cares?
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I am glad the people who have no patience are leaving and getting **** phones in comparison.
Like people who go from Android to iphone are so fail.
Less whinging here if all the the complainers change phones because they couldn't wait. Some phones don't ever get updates
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Why is everyone trying to flame replicant for trying to open a discussion on the pro's and con's of the device, and the reason why he has decided to sell it??
This is the whole point of xda, people share there experiences and ideas, Have you ever though that a thread like this where people express there feelings about a device is usefull for people who are undecided about weather to buy the play or not.
How are people ment to make an informed decision when the first time someone says something bad about your precious device, all you fanboys jump on them like a group of thugs ... pathetic
your a **** shutup
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Classic
Anyways i hear you androhero, hate the flaming when people is all but praise and good saying about a device wether it's here or another forum
The problem with posting this kind of opinion in this forum is that, if it's wrong, you're not giving any valuable information, and if you're right, you're just telling people they're a bunch.of losers for.buying this phone.
This thread belongs in a general Android thread where it can actually be read by.people considering the Play. In here, you can assume that everyone has the phone and you risk this kind of response.