I just noticed a moment ago that when I tap my phone hard enough it turns off. For example sliding the kb open or setting it down on a table hard enough. I have to be real gentle with it now. And I have never been very rough with it its in great condition. I dropped it once on carpet a few months ago. But that's it. I have 2 batteries and I switch them out every other day. Could that have something to do with it? I really do not want to goto the sprint store and have the look at it because ill have to flash back to stock and deal with their lines and annoying staff. Anyone know what I can do to fix this issue?
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Is it possible that you thumped it hard enough to knock it unconscious? Just kidding, sounds like you have a short somewhere.
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screw that. flash it back to stock and take it in. i wouldnt be able to deal with that.
^^ I agree
However, take a look at your battery contacts. One of my 3 is noticeably bent "differently" but not necessarily broken than the other 2 (although it's NEVER lost contact even in a fall). Maybe it's not maintaining the tension it needs to keep the connection.
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I just noticed a moment ago that when I tap my phone hard enough it turns off. For example sliding the kb open or setting it down on a table hard enough. I have to be real gentle with it now. And I have never been very rough with it its in great condition. I dropped it once on carpet a few months ago. But that's it. I have 2 batteries and I switch them out every other day. Could that have something to do with it? I really do not want to goto the sprint store and have the look at it because ill have to flash back to stock and deal with their lines and annoying staff. Anyone know what I can do to fix this issue?
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Happens to me when I close the keyboard too hard so I put a piece of thin cardboard between the cover and battery to secure it even more and no more problem.
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Happens to me when I close the keyboard too hard so I put a piece of thin cardboard between the cover and battery to secure it even more and no more problem.
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doesnt paper heat up the battery more? and i think the OP should place a claim on the phone (you should too). you people paid a lot for your phone and it should work (without putting cardboard)
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doesnt paper heat up the battery more? and i think the OP should place a claim on the phone (you should too). you people paid a lot for your phone and it should work (without putting cardboard)
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your right I did pay alot for this phone and it should work properly without ghetto rigging it. It actually stopped for now idk what did it, I tried a number of things including pressing the battery in harder and that may of solved it, but I bet it does it again one day. plus I wouldnt mind having a brand new one if thats what they would do to fix it lol
That happened to me a couple times, but it was the extended batteries and thus generic cover that doesn't fit well to begin with.
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doesnt paper heat up the battery more? and i think the OP should place a claim on the phone (you should too). you people paid a lot for your phone and it should work (without putting cardboard)
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Then don't cover the whole battery. Use a small strip runnin diagionaly and fasten it to back cover is it don't move around when u drop your phone again.
Try a little peice of paper in between the batt and the wall of batt hole.
Epoxy your battery in place.
Or u can stop abusing your phone.
Tell your phone your sorry..
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doesnt paper heat up the battery more? and i think the OP should place a claim on the phone (you should too). you people paid a lot for your phone and it should work (without putting cardboard)
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Not anymore than sitting on my hip. Paper is an insulator so actually would help in Florida sun. But my issue is a $21 extended battery and extended back, not stock. So a small piece of cardboard helps to keep it really tight. Also probably because I have dropped my phone a few times.
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Then don't cover the whole battery. Use a small strip runnin diagionaly and fasten it to back cover is it don't move around when u drop your phone again.
Try a little peice of paper in between the batt and the wall of batt hole.
Epoxy your battery in place.
Or u can stop abusing your phone.
Tell your phone your sorry..
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LMAO!!!! Nice...think I will download a flowers jpg for my phone now.
My first epic did this. It's a manufacturing problem. I took it back and sprint replaced it. (I returned it the day after I bought it, though).
I have had this happen to me and all I did was flash a different rom. It seemed to be a had flash or the rom I was using. That is assuming you are rooted and running a custom rom. Give it a try. Flash something else and see if the problem goes away. Mine did.
I was on my way into the sprint store as I was restoring a different rom and after restoring i could not reproduce the power down when bumping or sliding keyboard. That's how I figured out it had to be the rom. I have not had it happen since, that was 5 months ago.
desire s turns off
Ive had my desire s for less than 2 months and ive had to leave it back for this reason. The slightest of taps to the bottom right corner and off it goes.
Estimated return time from the car phone warehouse is 1 month. whahahahah....
Mine does the same thing, bougt mine off ebay, esy fix I just took a very small piece of electrical tape, made it so its sticky on both sides and stuc it behind the battery
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I had this problem also. Mine was one of the three contacta on the phone broke. The brass contacts that touch the battery.
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But my issue is a $21 extended battery and extended back, not stock
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Same here! With the stock battery it works fine, but with the extended to hard of a jolt will reset it.
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Ok so my friend has an HD2. He was at work and some prick dumped a bucket of water on him. So I got looking at his phone and it seems that the only thing wrong is that the screen will not come on.
I can get the bottom lights to come on and the volume is somewhat working. But the screen will not light up at all. My question is... is there a way to buy a replaceable screen? He bought it off eBay so I'm guessing that the insurance was unavailable for him. Or would T-Mobile US look at his phone and troubleshoot it?
Thanks in advance for any information.
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best thing he could of done is to immediately remove the battery and let the phone dry out for a few days. I would do that now anyways. Then put the battery back in, let it charge, then try to turn it on. If its really just the screen, yes they are replaceable, but make sure he gets the lcd/digitizer combo, those things are almost impossible to replace separately.
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Ok so my friend has an HD2. He was at work and some prick dumped a bucket of water on him. So I got looking at his phone and it seems that the only thing wrong is that the screen will not come on.
I can get the bottom lights to come on and the volume is somewhat working. But the screen will not light up at all. My question is... is there a way to buy a replaceable screen? He bought it off eBay so I'm guessing that the insurance was unavailable for him. Or would T-Mobile US look at his phone and troubleshoot it?
Thanks in advance for any information.
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how do you know the screen is the problem? could be one of the many chips on the main circuit board could be fried. In my humble opinion, take the battery out and let it sit for about a week in a nice dry area. try it after a week or so and if it still don't work, sell it for parts on ebay.
I think you'd be wasting your money, especially if you have never tried taking one apart before. I've fixed a few phones before but the thought of opening up my HD2 makes me cringe!
hey thanks for the response we will give that a go. and hopefully that works but ill start looking up prices on the combo now. thanks again
The best thing yoiu can do for a wet phone, like previously stated is take the battery out, and stick it in a tub of rice for atleast a few days. this will draw moisture out of the phone.
I must have been lucky. I dropped mine in the toilete 1 drunken night. it came out still on and working, then the volume started adjusting itself and the screen was going funny. 24 hoiurs in rice and it was fine except for a dodgy volume button which sorted itself within another day.
If its still not working correctly, you mayb have to send it into htc for repair and get the idiot who poured a bucket of water to pay for the repair.
Just to let other people know a little about my experiences so that it helps them.
Ok, normally when out and about I guard my phone quite fiercely, having lost many in the past due to theft, drunken stupidness or general carelessness. One evening last week, I was a little enebriated and on the way home had a fight with a bush. Phone came out of pocket and case, and hit the floor. I picked it up, checked for broken screen and put it back in its case and eventually got home in one piece.
Morning arrives, and I pick it up to make a call and noticed the phone battery cover was missing. I have ordered a replacement but have noticed some strange happenings since.
For example, although the battery may be in enough to keep the phone on (held with blutac right now) i noticed it wasnt charging. The led would come on and just flash green and orange, but no charge symbol. If I pushed the battery a little, it would then be ok. I also noticed when trying to use the camera, I would get a message saying something about the weather being too cold and not being able to use the flash. If I pushed the battery a little again, it would come back on.
The obvious problem I have until the cover arrives is wifi, as the cover has the wifi antenna on apparently so wifi connectivity is awful at the moment. Ive posted this in case anyone has anything similar and wondering what may be causing it.
Hope this is useful!
Thanks for making me laugh!
Are you sure you don't have a drinking problem
Thanks for the info anyway.
HAHAHA, maybe u should get yourself an otterbox for when u hit the sauce!
Order a silicon case/cover too with the batt cover .
But,to be serious, it is very much protective in case you have another fight with bush.
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Trust me, it is not easy as it look to take care your phone..although your take care more than your life, eventually one day, it will drop from your hand to ground..its happen to me twice!!..first time happen, no case because i though i can protect my phone like my life, but i make mistake, I got 1 small chip near power button!!..2nd time it happen, thank god, i already buy the case, my phone is save, no chip or dented..haha..
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Thanks for the laughs and the info
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We need more 'developers' like you man)) thx for info anyway))
So I do a lot of reading on this forum but rarely post.
Last night, my phone fell out of my hands while I was sitting outside the hottub and went right into it. It was like how something falls to the bottom of the ocean in a movie. I got it out right away dried it off, took out the battery and sd card and looked at it.
It seemed that no water got into the system at all. The phone works just as it did when before the dive. The only thing that is touchy is the charger now, but oh well.
Samsung ftw
My friend dropped his Incredible in tea. He thought the same thing, but now, the phone reboots itself when it gets warm at all, and if it gets cold, the touchscreen becomes unresponsive. It was stupid to turn it back on. You should have immediately stuck it in dry rice and never turned it on, as that can prevent damage from happening.
Yeah, regardless of manufacturer/model, never turn a dunked phone on until you're 100% sure it's as dry as you can possibly get it.
Pull the battery and SD card, then shove the whole mess into a bag of white rice for AT LEAST 24 hours, more if you can. The longer it sits in the rice with no power, the more likely it is to survive the dunking.
Nah dehumidifier is better lol
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Anyone know of any cell phone shops that have a wet phone recovery service?
I would place the phone inside a small pressure vessel and pull a deep vacuum for 15-20 mins (or until I archived 1000µm). Then break the vacuum with dry nitrogen. Repeat 3x's.
This is the method for pulling moisture out of refrigeration systems and it does work well.
I would think a small phone shop could easily get $50 a pop to save someones phone.
Hope yours stays happy! good luck
Hair dryer.
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Anyone know of any cell phone shops that have a wet phone recovery service?
I would place the phone inside a small pressure vessel and pull a deep vacuum for 15-20 mins (or until I archived 1000µm). Then break the vacuum with dry nitrogen. Repeat 3x's.
This is the method for pulling moisture out of refrigeration systems and it does work well.
I would think a small phone shop could easily get $50 a pop to save someones phone.
Hope yours stays happy! good luck
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I would worry about the screen in a vacuum.
If it were my phone though, I would completely disassemble it and make sure I got all of the water out that way, maybe hit it with some 99% isypropal to help get any water out from under chips and in tight places, and let it dry for a few days in silica beads.
A hairdryer is a horrible idea. It can't pull the water out. On the contrary, it's more likely to force the water into worse places.
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A hairdryer is a horrible idea. It can't pull the water out. On the contrary, it's more likely to force the water into worse places.
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And cook the inside components. hehe forgot the /sarcasm tag. I'm not stupid
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I'm not so sure about the phones, but my samsung led tv survived a house fire... Pretty proud of that little purchase.
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And cook the inside components. hehe forgot the /sarcasm tag. I'm not stupid
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I know that, but there are people that will blindly follow anything they read on these boards, and I've seen a hairdryer suggested before.
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Pull the battery and SD card, then shove the whole mess into a bag of white rice for AT LEAST 24 hours, more if you can. The longer it sits in the rice with no power, the more likely it is to survive the dunking.
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Rice is a good option and works well, but the small silica packets that are used as desiccant work even better and can be purchased very cheaply.
Putting your phone in some sort of vacuum or near-vacuum is probably a bad idea because the hardware was likely not designed to withstand such conditions.
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Ok guys update.
So its been what a couple of days now, and my phone is working pretty good. all the main things work. the only thing that is a little touchy is the charger, and it keeps saying usb connected, but i can live with that.
I uses to work at a sign shop and my bosses kids were terrible about throwing phones in water so he found the little pink water detector strips so I know if you do that you can put it on and trade out your phone
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Golgotha theskull said:
I uses to work at a sign shop and my bosses kids were terrible about throwing phones in water so he found the little pink water detector strips so I know if you do that you can put it on and trade out your phone
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Probably super illegal or at least in violation of like everything in the contract you sign about insurance and replacements. Lol
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Probably super illegal or at least in violation of like everything in the contract you sign about insurance and replacements. Lol
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I second that LOL.
Anyways, I just want to say Samsung FTW because this phone has just been amazing in so many ways. Abilities to super customize in any way, shape and form, awesome screen...I was VERY hesitant on buying an all touch screen phone. Coming from a Blackberry Tour I was very use to a real keyboard and buttons. Yes this phone has it's up's and downs, but all in all the pros really out weigh the cons.
I'm in absolute NO rush to get a new phone any time soon. I love my Fassy
My vibrant gave up the ghost 2 days ago. Turned itself off and now it won't fully boot without turning itself off unless I leave it undisturbed on a table.
Something on/under the ringer/speaker is loose or corroded, because tapping on that part of the phone makes it cut itself off.
Been using a Galaxy Tab as my phone for the past day and a half. Galaxy Nexus should arrive at home this afternoon.
Goodbye vibrant and Bionix. I would have liked to keep you as a media player, but I guess it is not to ever be. You worked well... except for your wonky GPS and tendency to 'forget' custom ring tones for contacts.... and your shrinking battery life (I have 4 spare batteries).... and taking 2 minutes to read the SD cards during boot up.... but you sure had a nice screen.
You could still use it as a media player. Odin it back to stock then flash a rom. There's one that's design just for that.
You said when you tap it on the side it cuts its self, do you mean it shuts down?
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When I tap it on the back surface of the phone, close to the top (basically where the ringer/speaker-phone is) then it shuts itself off (power goes off)
Other things can cause it to shut off, but that seems to be the problem area.
you may can fix it
well, if you have a soldering iron and a oven proceed, if not but you want to fix it go and buy one.
**Do it only as last resource and if you dont have an soldering station.**
take out the board of you vibrant, solder a small piece of any wire you have on an insignificant par of the board (like the gold border around it) put the board in the oven nearly at 200ºC and wait a bit of time till the solder you have done got liquid an the wire goes down.Turn off the oven and let the door open in order to cool ,wait till it got fresh enough to test.
Be happy!
Obs.:the board will get damage if you let it got more hot than necessary.
Good luck!
Are you suggesting that I connect the board to an electrical ground?
Did you have insurance on the phone? If so I'd get it replaced and then sell the new phone.
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No. Phone insurance is mostly a rip off unless you lose it in the first ~4 months of ownership.
It was worth a shot.
I have it on mine, but I wonder what they would replace it with on a claim if I was to break it since they stopped selling the vibrant quite a while ago.
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Are you suggesting that I connect the board to an electrical ground?
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no, only to you resolder you board without the full equipment needed.
Sorry for my bad english, it's not my natural language.
***BUT, if you still on warranty,wipe all,odin a stock rom and let they replace your phone.
Could you sell it for parts? I'm in need of a few vibrant parts at the moment.
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Could you sell it for parts? I'm in need of a few vibrant parts at the moment.
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Which parts are you interested in?
Im interested in phone mine has
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Riding the motorcycle home tonight I got drenched for about 6 miles... normally not an issue and never has affected my phone in my back pocket before... but for some reason tonight was different...
about a mile from my house my music stopped working and didn't think much of it... but when I pulled into the garage and found my s4 was a bit wetter than normal and would not turn on my concerns grew...
Currently have the entire thing apart.. batter... case... even sim and microSD card out... there was not a lot of visible moisture on the inside... but I did find a few drops on the SD card once removed. Also the phone will not indicate a charge by led or on-screen.
I'm letting it dry out as much and as long as I can... other than just waiting it out... any tips somebody can give me? anything phone specific that I could do to help it turn on? (power+vol up+home something?) and is there a wet indicator on the phone some place? above the SD slot there are 2 brass connectors and a bright pink dot in a hole above them... is that anything unusual?
The phone does have liquid detectors. If you tried to turn on the phone you probably fried it. If you didn't turn on the phone yet leave it in ziploc bag with rice for a few days.
Put it in a jar of dry white rice for 24hrs. It will absorb all the mosture .. one of my friends drop his g3 in tolit and he did that ...booted again...trip..
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The phone does have liquid detectors. If you tried to turn on the phone you probably fried it. If you didn't turn on the phone yet leave it in ziploc bag with rice for a few days.
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You beat me to it...damn...
If your daring enough you could try opening the phone and use 99% isopropyl alcohol (technicians alcohol) to clean the parts. Alcohol displaces the water so as you use a small brush (we call thrm acid brushes....not sure what the 'normal' world calls them) use a single ply tissue to absorb the water/alcohol.
Does anybody know where those liquid detectors are? are they visible with the back cover and batter out?
Thanks for all the quick responses... I will try the above and see how it goes... this is my primary way to be contacted and after just a few hours I already feel cut off... its also how I make my money (being on call.... work can't call... I can't make money!) so I'm looking at resurrecting old phones... but I was hoping for a quicker solution... but I'd rather take my time and save my phone... I was hoping the battery went dead... was yelling at me earlier... but obviously not the case.
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Does anybody know where those liquid detectors are? are they visible with the back cover and batter out?
Thanks for all the quick responses... I will try the above and see how it goes... this is my primary way to be contacted and after just a few hours I already feel cut off... its also how I make my money (being on call.... work can't call... I can't make money!) so I'm looking at resurrecting old phones... but I was hoping for a quicker solution... but I'd rather take my time and save my phone... I was hoping the battery went dead... was yelling at me earlier... but obviously not the case.
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There is no quick solution. Keep it in the bag of rice as suggested, and leave it for at least 24 hours and I would even say try to go well beyond that for as long as you can hold out. Gotta make sure as much moisture as possible gets sucked out before trying to turn her over.
(What kind of bike you ride?)
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I had a coworker do this.
put it in a bag with the moisture absorbers, silica gel, he left like over night in a zip lock and in the morning it started working again.
I would do the bag of rice or moisture absorbers as others mentioned. The worst thing you can do when a phone gets wet is plug it in or try to turn it on. It seems you tried both. Hope for the best. Next time, if ever there is one, if you see your phone is wet, quickly dry it up and take it apart as much as you can. Kill any power going to it (ie. remove the battery immediately). Then place it in a bag with rice or other moisture absorbers. I would leave it a day or two. Make sure it's fully dry. If you are brave, take a torx bit to it and open it up. Make sure everything is dry inside. Put it back together once it's dry and try to power it on. Most cases this will work. I hope it works for you. Sadly it's on the heels of the leaked image of the waterproof S4.
2007 zx-10r... wasn't quick enough tonight I suppose... doh!
my other phones I never tossed out are no help... the sim card won't fit... keep looking... keeps me from messing with my phone too much!
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2007 zx-10r... wasn't quick enough tonight I suppose... doh!
my other phones I never tossed out are no help... the sim card won't fit... keep looking... keeps me from messing with my phone too much!
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Because the sim is too small? Just line up the gold contacts. I was able to get the microSIM working in my old captivate which takes a standard sized SIM just by carefully lining it up.
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Because the sim is too small? Just line up the gold contacts. I was able to get the microSIM working in my old captivate which takes a standard sized SIM just by carefully lining it up.
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Could also go to a local AT&T store and have them swap you to a full-sized SIM for a few days, if they're willing to work with you. Some reseller stores (non-corporate) may charge a nominal fee for the card. Keep in mind that once they deactivate a SIM card, it's toast.
But as the others have said, electricity to a wet device is typically fatal, so keep the battery and charger out as long as you can. As for the red/pink indicator: your warranty is now void. I've heard of ways to "bleach" the indicator, but I'd imagine that might be against XDA rules to even speak about. Also, check out some of the disassembly vids out there, they may be helpful in getting the water out or finding more indicators. *shrug*
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Does anybody know where those liquid detectors are? are they visible with the back cover and batter out?
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See that pink dot? That means the phone got wet... it should be white.
Trust me, I know. I dunked a brand new 32gb S4 into the pool on the day it was released and had to buy a brand new one at full price later the same day. Most expensive upgrade ever.
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I've heard of ways to "bleach" the indicator, but I'd imagine that might be against XDA rules to even speak about.
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I demand this person gets banned for disclosing the bleach-to-indicator trick that hits Samsung hard on the pocket chipping away at the multi-bil dollar profits. What's next? They will demand an apology for little memory? a recall for easily breakable screens? What a nerve.
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I demand this person gets banned for disclosing the bleach-to-indicator trick that hits Samsung hard on the pocket chipping away at the multi-bil dollar profits. What's next? They will demand an apology for little memory? a recall for easily breakable screens? What a nerve.
Kwon Oh Hyun
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That "trick" is pretty well known by the manufacturers. It may get by people at the store but the phone sent back to Samsung can be checked with Orthotolidine and show evidence of chlorine from residual sodium hypochlorite it will be billed to the original customer. Since it's obvious fraud further (legal) action may be taken so be warned before trying these "tricks".
according to the tmobile site, there should be a sticker somewhere in the back of the phone, and red/pink means water, white means normal
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according to the tmobile site, there should be a sticker somewhere in the back of the phone, and red/pink means water, white means normal
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no offense, but for future reference, keep a ziplock in your jacket. or two.
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no offense, but for future reference, keep a ziplock in your jacket. or two.
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LOL
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Slade8525 said:
no offense, but for future reference, keep a ziplock in your jacket. or two.
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LOL
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Actually, not a LOL at all (well maybe a chuckle), but it is a well known practice to avid motorcyclists to keep a few Ziploc baggies with them for such uses. I use to ride with a regular Garmin GPS mounted on my bars (before Smart phone days) and a Ziploc baggy saved it many times...and still let me use it at the same time. They save wallets, phones, and anything electronic small enough to fit in them.
my Galaxy Note 3
Im super bummed. I dropped mine in the toilet about 6 hours ago. I was half asleep so all I did was put it in rice. I started googling and saw to turn it off an take the battery out. I just tried to turn it on and all it does is pulsate. I have a bad feeling I ruined my phone......and no insurance