Does anyone else think that Samsung has caused tons of confussion by announcing two Android 10.1" tablets with effectively the same name (i.e. Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1). Surely adding a 'S' for slim to the slimmer variant would have done the job but instead it has caused lots of confusion among websites and general public. Even those who are a bit clued up have gotten mixed up. I know the model numbers are likely to change once carriers start to offer them up (e.g. Vodafone UK are going to be offering the original thicker 10.1. They are going to call it the 10.1V).
The thick one will have "v".
Afaik, in this case, V=Vodafone. Vodafone is pretty much the only company selling the thick one, so makes perfect sense to me.
Bukem75 said:
Afaik, in this case, V=Vodafone. Vodafone is pretty much the only company selling the thick one, so makes perfect sense to me.
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Vodafone was the only company stupid enough to sign the deal with Samsung at MWC.
Now they are stuck with tablet that is missing one of the most important features (sd card slot!) with high pricing (since they sign the deal before iPad2 was announced) and competition even from Samsung
Samsung is giving Vodafone 3 months as of an exclusivity but after that instead of filling up shops with thick version they will put a new, thin one in.
Samsung has to start competing with Apple so if Vodafone gets stacked with their "old" model - tough :-( but others will make up for volume sales.
No way I will buy 10.1v with current (higher than new 10.1) prices
galtom said:
Vodafone was the only company stupid enough to sign the deal with Samsung at MWC.
Now they are stuck with tablet that is missing one of the most important features (sd card slot!) with high pricing (since they sign the deal before iPad2 was announced) and competition even from Samsung
Samsung is giving Vodafone 3 months as of an exclusivity but after that instead of filling up shops with thick version they will put a new, thin one in.
Samsung has to start competing with Apple so if Vodafone gets stacked with their "old" model - tough :-( but others will make up for volume sales.
No way I will buy 10.1v with current (higher than new 10.1) prices
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I definitely agree. The biggest downfall for the 10.1V will be the lack of MicroSD card slot. I didn't know pricing was released for the 10.1V, I assumed the announced prices for 10.1 would be about the same for 10.1V. If 10.1V is considerably more expensive then this is another nail in the coffin.
I really hope the new 10.1 will be available by some retailer/carrier in the UK market and that we don't have to wait much longer than the US market.
I would expect new 10.1 to hit our shops not later than September/October.
It would make sense for Samsung to start sales with "back to school" season openings and prepare for frontal attack of ads and promotions before X-mass.
As long as Honeycomb is not patched up to actually support sd card (Xoom has slot but it is not working...) there is no reason for Samsung to rush (too much). The do want to be in the shops in the fall but with all features up&running - otherwise updated 10.1 will be as loved as Xoom is - that would be a mistake...
It seems that MS with Win8 for tablets might still be in the game in 2012 (if they will hurry up and show perfect product before March 2012) - Google seems to be quite slow with Honeycomb updates and development. Too many products to take care of and not enough "in house" developers?
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I would expect new 10.1 to hit our shops not later than September/October.
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I really hope Samsung are able to bring this to the UK market before Summer. If Samsung take until Sept/Oct then that will really suck. Begs the question, how ready was the new 10.1 at CTIA. I know they weren't working models so does this mean they created an exterior shell with nice dimensions and are now trying to solve the problem of how to fit all the components within that shell? Is it possible Samsung may have to change the dimensions if they have miscalculated or come across issues? If the hardware and dimensions have been solved already then I really hope this delay isn't down to software. May be that is a taster for the delays to be expected for OS updates too?
1. New 10.1 can not show up in shops before 10.1v tegra2 competition (transformer and LG Tab and Iconia A500) - if it will Vodafone will have to start doing "give away" of 10.1v (as far as I remember it will be a bit more expensive than new 10.1 and for sure not as good and versatile).
2. 10.1v was complete and ready at MWC2011 but only one company placed actually orders for "XYZ" pieces of this tablet - Vodafone.
Lets face it, before iPad2 and with Xoom as the only competition it was very interesting product... I suppose firs idea was for Samsung to chase up Xoom (they must have thought that Xoom sales will be 10000% higher than they really are). Only few ppl. pointed 10.1v shortcomings as an important thing...
Than it came out that Xoom is not as hot as everyone predicted, iPad2 showed up and Samsung realized that if they will not change their product there is no way that can compete against not only Apple but against any one. The only problem was that Vodafone has already ordered their tablets (probably decision made by some one who do not know much about tablets and what customers wants... - how do you think... is this "SOMEBODY" still with Vodafone? ). Now...
Samsung has a HIT product (even two) but they need to make sure Honeycomb will support all built in features to avoid accusations of the same kind Moto has against Xoom, Vodafone has to have time to sell at least some of the 10.1v (they are a big Samsung customers after all), Samsung wants to make sure they will show modern, fully finished product like iPad/2 with a competitive price.
So far there is not another tablet in the market (or announced) that could compete against new 10.1.
Transformer will have a slightly different customer group (but it seems to be the closest competition).
All other tablets are either different in size, weight, they have different screens or hight price (GT 8.9 vs LG 3D tablet 8.9).
There is only one question in this..... as there is one BIG company that did say they are working on the tablet but did not show anything exactly.
If this company will suddenly introduce something better than new 10.1 it might create additional "heat" against Samsung product.
But again, so far for "average Joe" new GT 10.1 seems to be the best Android tablet coming and main iPad 2 rival.
What about the new Toshiba tablet " commingle soon" I thought it was going to go head to head with the gt 10.1
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I saw some demos (search on YouTube) and I don't like it.
The silver thing around the camera ... the hardware buttons ...
Not sexy device at all.
And thick!
Wdustin1 said:
What about the new Toshiba tablet " commingle soon" I thought it was going to go head to head with the gt 10.1
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I saw some demos (search on YouTube) and I don't like it.
The silver thing around the camera ... the hardware buttons ...
Not sexy device at all.
And thick!
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The 10.1V or the 10.1....
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The 10.1V or the 10.1....
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gogol said:
The thick one will have "v".
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From his previous posts, that would be the 10.1v... The thick one.
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From his previous posts, that would be the 10.1v... The thick one.
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No... last few posts refers to Toshiba tablet not Samsung.
http://www.thetoshibatablet.com/
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gogol said:
I saw some demos (search on YouTube) and I don't like it.
The silver thing around the camera ... the hardware buttons ...
Not sexy device at all.
And thick!
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Exactly, like a previous generation of tablets.
I do not like it one bit either.
Even 10.1v is way sexier.
In regard of "Samsung causing confusion with Tab 10.1".
Confusion will size to exist very soon - 10.1v has been produced in small volume and it will be available only through Vodafone. Once it disappears from the market there will only be 10.1 left
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1. New 10.1 can not show up in shops before 10.1v tegra2 competition (transformer and LG Tab and Iconia A500) - if it will Vodafone will have to start doing "give away" of 10.1v (as far as I remember it will be a bit more expensive than new 10.1 and for sure not as good and versatile).
2. 10.1v was complete and ready at MWC2011 but only one company placed actually orders for "XYZ" pieces of this tablet - Vodafone.
Lets face it, before iPad2 and with Xoom as the only competition it was very interesting product... I suppose firs idea was for Samsung to chase up Xoom (they must have thought that Xoom sales will be 10000% higher than they really are). Only few ppl. pointed 10.1v shortcomings as an important thing...
Than it came out that Xoom is not as hot as everyone predicted, iPad2 showed up and Samsung realized that if they will not change their product there is no way that can compete against not only Apple but against any one. The only problem was that Vodafone has already ordered their tablets (probably decision made by some one who do not know much about tablets and what customers wants... - how do you think... is this "SOMEBODY" still with Vodafone? ). Now...
Samsung has a HIT product (even two) but they need to make sure Honeycomb will support all built in features to avoid accusations of the same kind Moto has against Xoom, Vodafone has to have time to sell at least some of the 10.1v (they are a big Samsung customers after all), Samsung wants to make sure they will show modern, fully finished product like iPad/2 with a competitive price.
So far there is not another tablet in the market (or announced) that could compete against new 10.1.
Transformer will have a slightly different customer group (but it seems to be the closest competition).
All other tablets are either different in size, weight, they have different screens or hight price (GT 8.9 vs LG 3D tablet 8.9).
There is only one question in this..... as there is one BIG company that did say they are working on the tablet but did not show anything exactly.
If this company will suddenly introduce something better than new 10.1 it might create additional "heat" against Samsung product.
But again, so far for "average Joe" new GT 10.1 seems to be the best Android tablet coming and main iPad 2 rival.
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This is really useful information. One thing I don't understand is that if Vodafone has exclusive selling rights for the 10.1V, this doesn't stop any other carrier or retailer from selling the new 10.1 if it's available from Samsung. So hopefully, we'll see the new 10.1 tablets via carriers or retailers as soon as Samsung can supply them for each specific region.
I remembers when news hit that Vodafone had exclusive selling rights for the original Samsung Galaxy S. It later became apparent that this was just for the 16GB model and the 8GB were commonly available everywhere else. Not that I'm interested in the 10.1V (or for many other people either) but is it possible that Vodafone's exclusive selling rights are for a specific sec of the 10.1V? E.g. a specific colour or storage space configuration?
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This is really useful information. One thing I don't understand is that if Vodafone has exclusive selling rights for the 10.1V, this doesn't stop any other carrier or retailer from selling the new 10.1 if it's available from Samsung.
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1. Do not treat all my sentences above as an information. It is pure speculation based upon current knowledge and situation. Lets call it analyses
2. Of course new 10.1 and 8.9 will be available through out but:
- postponing their lunch for a bit gives a chance for a Vodafone to sell 10.1V
- since Samsung actually started to work (and production) of new 10.1 later they might not be ready yet in large volume (if I would be Samsung I would make sure both 10.1 and 8.9 are available worldwide on day 1 of sales - ppl. are tired with waiting and Transformer and Iconia will be there if one does not want to wait...)
- we do not know if and who has a new exclusive deal with Samsung on their new 10.1 / 8.9
- I suppose 10.1v at Vodafone will be in 32GB version and only other that was supposed to be out (I doubt it will be actually out because of its price and limited features) was 64GB
I do not think we will see 10.1v (officially) any where else than at Vodafone...
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Check out the whole story:
http://www.mytabletlife.com/2011/02/04/elocity-a10-pre-order-begins-feb-15th/
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Few things, it looks as only 3 of the 7 models are up first.. the 4GB at $399, the 32GB at $599, and the 64GB at $699. True multi-touch this time, for all of you
Also, they look to be debuting with Android 2.2 (Froyo) and not Android 3.0 (Honeycomb).
Still the hardware is top notch... I am sure the developers here will have fun with it..
CPG
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I think they can't sell devices with Android 3.0
Google approved sellings to Motorola Xoom and T-MOBILE G-Slate. Then top companies will go. Other companies must wait till May or June
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I think they can't sell devices with Android 3.0
Google approved sellings to Motorola Xoom and T-MOBILE G-Slate. Then top companies will go. Other companies must wait till May or June
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I had to go back and look at the press material I received at CES 2011 about the eLocity A10. It actually does state that it would be released with Froyo and upgraded to Honeycomb once it is made available to them....
I agree that Motorola and LG seem have been working with Google awhile on Honeycomb and will be the first out of the gate with Honeycomb tablets, then we will see it available on the lesser known brands.
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I am watching this one VERY closely
I have two requirements for my next tablet - a Tegra 2 CPU (or better) and an IPS screen. So this one sounds like it fits the bill, assuming it doesn't get delayed into the summer.
I'm tempted by true multi-touch and IPS, but I really like the 7" form factor. It fits in my coat(s) pocket and I can thumb type like a madman. I would like a bigger screen, but you can't have it both ways.
I don't get the 10" form factor. Everybody I know who owns an iPad bought a case that you can prop it up with. I asked why and the answer was it's it's too heavy/akward to hold in one hand and you need to set it down to type on it.
I say don't try to compete with Apple in the 10" range, make an 12" version (8.5 x 11?) and include the prop case with it! To me once it doesn't fit in your pocket and it's too heavy to hold, you really just have a touch screen laptop. It seems that is what every iPad owner I know is turning their's into.
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I have two requirements for my next tablet - a Tegra 2 CPU (or better) and an IPS screen. So this one sounds like it fits the bill, assuming it doesn't get delayed into the summer.
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My guess will be in customers hands before the end of March...
I think they would be wise to make sure this is the case.
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5[Strogino] said:
I think they can't sell devices with Android 3.0
Google approved sellings to Motorola Xoom and T-MOBILE G-Slate. Then top companies will go. Other companies must wait till May or June
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Now that Motorola Xoom is priced at $799 and I am sure the LG G-Slate will sell for more with its 3D screen and cameras I am sure people wont mind waiting a few months to have Honeycomb on a nice dual-core unit with a 10inch IPS multi-touch screen with the highest resolution on the market.
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cpg716 said:
Now that Motorola Xoom is priced at $799 and I am sure the LG G-Slate will sell for more with its 3D screen and cameras I am sure people wont mind waiting a few months to have Honeycomb on a nice dual-core unit with a 10inch IPS multi-touch screen with the highest resolution on the market.
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Yep. I just notice, that over "approve sellings" i mean Android 3.0 out-of-box.
Google can't deny other companies sell tablets with Android 2.2 and it's a good trick to start sellings before top-companies will go. And promise upgrade, like Notion Ink did.
If Stream TV Network will sell new tablets when Motorla will start Xoom's sellings - people will get choice:
Tablet with 2.2 today for 400$ and upgrade in future
or
Tablet with 3.0 today for 800$
Good business struggle - satisfied customers
If roebeet is signing up for this sign me up to.
5[Strogino] said:
Yep. I just notice, that over "approve sellings" i mean Android 3.0 out-of-box.
Google can't deny other companies sell tablets with Android 2.2 and it's a good trick to start sellings before top-companies will go. And promise upgrade, like Notion Ink did.
If Stream TV Network will sell new tablets when Motorla will start Xoom's sellings - people will get choice:
Tablet with 2.2 today for 400$ and upgrade in future
or
Tablet with 3.0 today for 800$
Good business struggle - satisfied customers
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I agree. Just hopefully it won't be Christmas by the time we see it..
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Google's Android love and hate!
Funny you mentioned the 3.0 release.
I can see things a couple ways. Like Apple Google wants people to see their OS on a device that can actually use it so they are working with those companies to do so. I can understand they want people to get a good user experience and therefore are pushing to the best retail partners. It helps them and helps the companies by having a release before anyone else.
What I do not understand is the price point. I mean I can get a really nice laptop with a quad core, good graphics, huge hda, etc for $800 so why would I buy a tablet that will do a lot of what I want but not as much as I can with a real pc. Since the masses really only know iPad then wouldn't it make sense to start with 3.0 at a price slightly less than Apple? Offer better equipment or at least just as good and sell for a little less. That way when people try it they will be more apt to buying it. As it is now I paid $300 for my a7 and I could have gotten a Apple iPad for $429 refurb which I think is a really fair price for the unit with its hardware plus a feature rich environment and apps galore and Apples OS is very good. Now comes the xoom for $800??? What. I mean if Honeycomb had been out for a year or so and it was a proven OS with features Apple does not have then I could see it but really they should have at least come in around $500. Personally for me I had a hard time justifying my purchase above $300. I wanted a device I could use to replace a mp3 player with additional features. I already have a laptop and desktop so there is no need for the tab except I do need a portable media player and that is where the A7 and its size fit so nicely.
Add to all of this the system that Google has which is very confusing for a consumer who does not know much about android and not having regular updates from Google but through the manufacturer is a horrid choice!! I think Microsoft got one thing right and that is update the OS without manufacturer involvement. I mean any other OS, MS, Apple, Linux all update their os's independent of what machine it is installed on. Then because Google does not have any control the manufacturers will put out what ever version of Android they have slap it on the device and sell it and if you want a new os you have to buy a new tablet??? Apple iPad does not do this. I can get ios 4.2 for free. This is the same way it should work for Android. Instead you have a huge array of devices for sale all running different versions of Android some of which are outdated before they even start selling.
Because of this situation and the fact Honeycomb seems impossible for the a7 I was seriously thinking of a net book. I mean I can get a 250gb hda, 1.6 ghz 455 atom processor, 1 gb ram, incredible screen for $29 more than my elocity and it will have a full OS with a full browser, not a mobile version, and I can do a lot with it. I could install honeycomb on the netbook!! I did it on my laptop before. I could also install Linux which would run nice and have all I need. Problem again is portability. Netbooks are much better than laptops but not as convenient as the tablet and I find the touch screen interface more intuitive. I think as time goes by it will be the future. However, as things are now with Android and not having it on a phone but strictly for tabs the experience is not what I thought it would be. For a linux based os I do not have much control and that is not good.
Just my 2 cents
Robert
I completely understand the "why not just get a netbook / laptop" argument.
But I think tablets have / will sell for a variety of reasons. Part of it is the "cool" factor, having the latest and greatest. And partly because tablets can do things that laptops cannot (I am in the latter category).
Example for myself: I use my R10 for reading comics -- it easily beats a netbook / laptop in this one function. It's relatively fast, its got great battery life, it's light, generates very little heat and has a better screen. The netbook/laptop kills the R10 in other areas, but it all depends on what you want to use your device for.
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I completely understand the "why not just get a netbook / laptop" argument.
But I think tablets have / will sell for a variety of reasons. Part of it is the "cool" factor, having the latest and greatest. And partly because tablets can do things that laptops cannot (I am in the latter category).
Example for myself: I use my R10 for reading comics -- it easily beats a netbook / laptop in this one function. It's relatively fast, its got great battery life, it's light, generates very little heat and has a better screen. The netbook/laptop kills the R10 in other areas, but it all depends on what you want to use your device for.
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Agree totally on this.. Also. People forget unsubsidized cell phones cost $400-$600. Mobile parts are not the same as laptop etc which are much cheaper. Right now even tablets are relying on mobile components. These prices will come down over the next year just as other electronics do. And margin on Laptops/netbooks is horrible. With a new product like tablets companies don't think they need to sacrifice margin yet as these are a "geek" product and we geeks are willing to pay to have the latest and greatest.
The cool factor is a part of it also, and the bleeding technology factor.. I don't think $799 is overpriced for the Xoom, but I do wish it would have started at around $599...
If the eLocity A10 shines, then the $399 price tag will be amazing.. I think StreamTV has learned alot from the A7 release and I am confident they wish to put out a product that will really be a great value.
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I happened to be on the J&R website today when, to my surprise, the pre-orders for the A10 opened up!
I bought mine right there - shipped, the cost is $439 - and of course no clear indication when I'll actually get it. Still, the timeline seems firm now, and hopefully I'll see my unit in a few weeks.
Just checked out jr.com and it is there for preorder, but it does not say ips screen. The res is higher than gtab or xoom though. Other than the screen res, it is very similar to gtab. Can someone confirm the screen? is it a ips screen?
It has a sim card slot? can we ue a sim card like tmoblie to make calls or data?
thanks in advance.
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Just checked out jr.com and it is there for preorder, but it does not say ips screen. The res is higher than gtab or xoom though. Other than the screen res, it is very similar to gtab. Can someone confirm the screen? is it a ips screen?
It has a sim card slot? can we ue a sim card like tmoblie to make calls or data?
thanks in advance.
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http://www.pcworld.com/article/216184/hands_on_with_the_streamtv_elocity_a10.html
The CES models had an IPS screen. Everything I've read (so far) mentions an IPS screen. Of course that could have changed, but I guess we'll find out soon.
I'm also not sure if all models will have a SIM slot, so J&R's info could be faulty.
EDIT: From the source, here you go: http://www.elocitynow.com/docs/pr_2011_0204.pdf
It's an IPS screen.
Yes. As the press release says it has an IPS screen.
Now, about the SIM card slot. In the materials I go at CES 2011, it said they would have one, but no mention is made in the press release. I am going to find out on this one.
About JR.com preorder. The device is supposed to be $399 for the pre-order. So they are charging about $30 more. But also, it wasnt supposed to go live until Feb. 15th. I wonder if the price will drop then.
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I doubt the price will drop, but I hope I'm wrong...tho' I myself sprang for the $439 tag.
B&H Photo lists it at $428 plus shipping, so it seems the pre-launch buzz was off.
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I doubt the price will drop, but I hope I'm wrong...tho' I myself sprang for the $439 tag.
B&H Photo lists it at $428 plus shipping, so it seems the pre-launch buzz was off.
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Well, the price should drop. As it was stated in the press release that those who pre-order would pay only $399 for the 4GB model.
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Any one knows when 3G version might show up in Europe (with Samsung SoC inside! )?
I guess Samsung will know, but it has not been announced by them yet.
We will just have to wait and see.
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I guess we should know more one 10.1v is on sale with Vodafone. I suppose Samsung wants to give them some breathing space. If they would give exact dates now (+ SoC name) they would undercut sales of 10.1v as I believe not many people would buy it knowing what is behind the corner (and how far to this corner there is) :-(.
Come on Samsung... Vodafone is doomed for failure with your 1st GT 10.1 as is Moto with Xoom. Stop wasting time and get me slim GT 10.1 - as I am on the verge of loosing control.... iPad 2 is here.... I could buy it.... I need to be strong (do I?)
I think Samsung is now trying to dispose all those thick 10.1v from their inventory. Before they start selling the new ones.
For sure there are plenty of buyers if they price it right, unfortunately it is not.
The thing that I hate the most ... Google IO is just on the corner, next early May. What will it bring? For sure it would be the better Honeycomb, I hope.
Because to be honest, I don't want to use current version of Honeycomb. Too much crash / FC (see Xoom forums).
I would rather to wait ...
As for waiting, I just bought iPad2 ... for my wife. When I got my Android tablet, we both have one each, no need to share!
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I guess we should know more one 10.1v is on sale with Vodafone. I suppose Samsung wants to give them some breathing space. If they would give exact dates now (+ SoC name) they would undercut sales of 10.1v as I believe not many people would buy it knowing what is behind the corner (and how far to this corner there is) :-(.
Come on Samsung... Vodafone is doomed for failure with your 1st GT 10.1 as is Moto with Xoom. Stop wasting time and get me slim GT 10.1 - as I am on the verge of loosing control.... iPad 2 is here.... I could buy it.... I need to be strong (do I?)
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I had the original 7.0 tab and I loved the size and portability.
Since then I've sold it, got the Note (which is awesome). I hoped that it would replace the tab, but I've noticed I've been reaching for my laptop much more than I ever did with my Tab.
Also with MWC just round the corner I'm thinking I should wait?
Another quick question, now that it has a resolution 1280x800 does that mean websites now load properly?
Thanks, Ben.
I have a Note and got the 7.7 too. Great combo in my opinion. I have tried for 3 days to run out the battery and still haven't. This is the best tablet made I think.
The build quality is what surprised me. It feels so solid, really premium.
I'd buy if I were you. I don't see anything this size to top it anytime soon.
Got to go ahead and get you one...
I for one last year had a P1000 too & sold it to someone who chouldnt believe 'they' came up with a 7 inch phone.....
Then I got the Note..
And Ive noticed that many many folks on here ALSo have the GNote too..
Big screens rule!! You have 1 or 2 at home always on always watching..
you may as well have 1 or 2 in your pocket as well...
I carry my Gnote in my front pocket..
I did carry my P1000 in the same pocket too..
I just got the 7.7 yesterday and test fitted it in my pocket,,..
It Fits!!!
ZGo get you one.. You know you like big screens.. TV's and Phones...
PS.. What is MWC???
MWC= mobile world congress 2012 barcelona. One of the biggest phone shows. Leaning more to phones than Cebit, Ifa or Ces.
It is from 27.02.12 to 06.03.12 i think
I have a few SGS2s running CM9, have had P1000 which was great and I sold it, had both 8.9 and 10.1 for short periods and missed the phone call capability. Bought a P6200 on the expectation of selling it to buy a P6800 when it ships (the 3G P6800 is just not available yet in the UK, except as a Far East import which doesn't appeal). So I'd got my head straight and knew what I wanted to end up with....then I read today about the new 11.6 and it's 2560x1600 resolution screen...no word whether it'll support normal phone capability though.
I honestly do wish Samsung would stop announcing products that then don't ship for 9-10 months, where the product lifecycle is only about 18 months anyway they're just hurting themselves....expectation doesn't hold for 9 months when you then announce the next iteration.
Instead if they announced products and shipped them no later then 90 days later I think their sales would rise quite dramatically.
Ho Hum....I suppose it matters not what I wish for, just means I won't be buying the P6800 now will instead use the P6200 till my next upgrade.
Haha OP check my sig...Note and 7.7
I wonder how well updated a 8.4 (possibly LTE) will get regular updates. I had a 7.7, that I thought was a "premium" device, and I lost it before I could even put ICS on it. It started to lag, and lag and lag as new apps were updated and used.
So what do you think? Would this face the same fate as the 7.7 tab or the 8.9 tab, or more like the original 10.1 tab (which I think it was adequate and more in line with what I expect from a device.
Any input is appreciated.
As underwhelming as Android updates have been since 4.1, I don't think it really matters anymore. My Moto X got updated from 4.3 to 4.4... I barely noticed.
RipplingHurst said:
I wonder how well updated a 8.4 (possibly LTE) will get regular updates. I had a 7.7, that I thought was a "premium" device, and I lost it before I could even put ICS on it. It started to lag, and lag and lag as new apps were updated and used.
So what do you think? Would this face the same fate as the 7.7 tab or the 8.9 tab, or more like the original 10.1 tab (which I think it was adequate and more in line with what I expect from a device.
Any input is appreciated.
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The 7.7 was Verizon I think. Anything involving Verizon will be very slow on updates. They are the worst at approving manufacturer updates and pushing them out. HTC leaked a final 4.3 for my former DROID DNA 5 and it took Verizon 5 months to release it.
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All Samsung's high-end tablets starting with the N10.1-14 are running the same h/w and screen resolution. That's got to make coding updates faster and easier as so much is shared between them.
I'm optimistic that it will be different from the Tab 7.7 for a couple reasons. As mentioned above, the hardware and screen resolution is nearly identical across multiple devices this time, where the 7.7 was the only tablet with its processor and screen resolution (the Note 1 and Tab 7 Plus were the closest two. A phone and another low selling sparsely available tablet). The international version was updated slowly, but far quicker than the Verizon LTE version. However, I think it didn't sell well at all, was expensive, and was banned from multiple countries before or after its rocky unveiling (remember Apple had the courts remove it from the stand at IFA?). It became the best product that Samsung couldn't sell and therefore had little incentive to support it.
Not that I'm trying to make excuses for Samsung not supporting it, just that I'm logically hopeful this time around.
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I wonder how well updated a 8.4 (possibly LTE) will get regular updates. I had a 7.7, that I thought was a "premium" device, and I lost it before I could even put ICS on it. It started to lag, and lag and lag ..
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I still have a 7.7 and it's on JB4.1.2.
It's smooth as... AND twice as quick.
I remember the lag on the Default ICS ROM and I was very disapointed. Especially as I had an S2 with less power but it's UI was silky smooth.
Fortunately the was a developer UpInTheAir who kept the device moving forward. His first ICS Sky High rom for the 7.7 was a god send.
And now, if it were not for the Pro 8.4 I'd still want to keep my 7.7 with the JB 4.1.2 release available.
The point however to take from your comments is that WITHOUT xda community the 7.7 I would have been very disappointed. It would have stayed the best screen/worst OS tablet/paperweight device available. As it is now with this ROM it is a better alternative than for Apple iPad Mini 1st Gen.
I hope that the 'Tab Pro' given it's 'Pro' status Samsung keeps with the updates. (Given I've just ordered one)
Welcome to the world of Samsung. You'll be lucky if you get more then 2 updates or a year of support. They're in the business of making a quick buck then dump their customers to desolation.
Got the iPad mini. Samsung scares me too much. If I was going for the 10.1, okay, but the 8.4 may turn out to be not popular enough and will be forgotten.
I have a Mini Retina. Sorry but there is no comparison to the 8.4 Pro. Sure the Mini has a nice aluminum back (which you need to immediately put into a case as it scratches super easy) and a slightly more robust battery but that's about it.
The Samsung wins everywhere it matters, battery notwithstanding.
I'll put the two side by side and take some pics of the screen. The Mini Retina is much dimmer (my biggest beef btw with the LG G Pad) than the Samsung irrespective of what brightness levels you set it at.
The other biggie is the Micro SD slot. The Tab Pro + a 64GB Micro SD card (80 GB total) is about $160 cheaper than a 64GB Mini Retina. Plus the accessories are much cheaper (mind you less selection of cases).
Now that Sandisk has released a 128GB Micro SD for $120 that equates to a 144GB tablet for $200 cheaper than the 128GB Mini Retina.
Plus if you are an avid reader, you cannot beat the reading apps on Android. The closest is Marvin for IOS and its still barely usable.
Just curious, is tab pro 8.4 capable of making phone calls? and i mean real phone calls like tab 7.7
Buy the LTE version and you can...
seriously? any article or anything to support your statement?
im very interested to get the 8.4 pro but i need it to be able to make phone calls also
thanks before
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seriously? any article or anything to support your statement?
im very interested to get the 8.4 pro but i need it to be able to make phone calls also
thanks before
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If you take a look at any reviews of LTE version then you can see Phone Application as well. And this fact is known, I' m waiting for the same thing...
hmm. so it's based on the picture of the phone application huh? okay2 ^^ thanks
Yeah i 'm also getting the LTE version to make phone calls
The reason the 7.7 didn't get a lot of support is due to it being banned in many countries so without them able to sell it they had no reason to keep it updated.
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I ordered the 8.4 LTE from Hong Kong... it'll arrive in 10 days.
I use the 7.7 now as my phone. I'm expecting to use the 8.4 as my phone too.
Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 vs Samsung Galaxy Tab S 8.4 LTE, Worth Upgrading?
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Thanks for this topic.... above notes and comments. This has has been eating my brain for weeks....
I am also in this dilemma to, see actual comparison of two in terms of spec here:
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/co...LTE,Samsung-Galaxy-Tab-S-8.4/phones/6739,8663 (If im not allowed to add this, mods please remove link and keep post, thanks)
I wanted to know if it’s worth upgrading too or not, as I also used it for phone calls and video calls. I was wondering can the tab s 8.4 4G/LTE work in the same manner or are they different now? Also build quality on the Tab 7.7 is second to none. How does it compare to Tab S 8.4?
See that the Galaxy Tab 7.7 had the following available:
Tablet with support for GSM voice communication, SMS, and MMS
Does the Galaxy Tab S 8.4 have the same fate as the Tab 7.7. Meaning does it have the same capabilities of "Tablet with support for GSM voice communication, SMS, and MMS"
Does anyone know, if yes please advise. As I’m thinking of selling my tab 7.7 32gb Wi-Fi and 3G to purchase a tab s 8.4 WiFi & 4G/LTE…
Thanks
Looks like it could be upgrade time, (if the price is right of course.)
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-s4-passes-wifi-alliance-certification/
Who's tempted? :angel:
No mention of 8" version though :crying:
Only if my S2 dies. Right now it is running fine and meeting all of my needs. It's only 16 months old. Besides, given past experience the the introductory price will be too high.
I'm curious about new products because the current sale on S2 and S3 tablets seems to be a clearance.
I bought two more Tab S2s (T813s) just last month. Its more important to me to have the ability to run Lineage than the latest hardware. So no a Tab S4 really doesn't interest me unless I see some development for it. Based on how the other new Samsung phones / devices have been, I'm not holding my breath.
Bought my S2 in December 2015.
Still running perfectly fine.
Especially I like the very low weight which adds to the universal usability of this device.
Unfortunately the S4 will be significantly heavier, and NO other tablet in the 10" range with <400g weight is in sight... so I hope my S2 will work for another 2 years...
For me, most of my current T715 is fine, and has been for the last 2 years. On an 8" S4, (not that one exists,) I'd like the same form factor and weight, a new battery, SD835, always on FP sensor and 4GB ram.
Things like a glass back, facial recognition, increased weight, don't interest me.
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Looks like it could be upgrade time, (if the price is right of course.)
https://www.androidpolice.com/2018/05/03/samsung-galaxy-tab-s4-passes-wifi-alliance-certification/
Who's tempted? :angel:
No mention of 8" version though :crying:
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its a no from me until they start putting the latest chipset on their tablet. I'm not paying premium price tag for last year chipset.
Was tempted but since no 8 so disregarded it. Tried to find availability of the Huawei 8.4 & found none. So got the S2; it is now 2 weeks. I use it for reading books & got it because Amazon had it for sale at $289 which pushed me over. My ASUS Zenpad S3 10 is very nice &, for me, much better than the iPad 9.7; but both are too "heavy" & awkward.
Also decided to resurrect my Tab Pro with the RRMix & have sent for a battery replacement since it was going down 30% in 24 hrs in sleep mode; think it is worst now & will see if the it remains the same when the battery arrives in 5 days.
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I bought two more Tab S2s (T813s) just last month. Its more important to me to have the ability to run Lineage than the latest hardware. So no a Tab S4 really doesn't interest me unless I see some development for it. Based on how the other new Samsung phones / devices have been, I'm not holding my breath.
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Man, how much did you pay for them? I want to pull the trigger on one so bad, but I just can't at the current prices, especially when they'll tank in a few months with the release of the S4...
had my tab for about 1.5 years,happy with it,i only stream football and read books,does the job
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Man, how much did you pay for them? I want to pull the trigger on one so bad, but I just can't at the current prices, especially when they'll tank in a few months with the release of the S4...
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I just checked both the ones I just bought were $349, both T813, the 9.7" ones. These last two were for my wife and son. I believe mine I actually picked up for $299, but that was back when the S3 had come out IIRC.
I bought one on Amazon for my son. Then when I decided I wanted a second one for my wife, they had already sold out, so I picked up a second one on eBay (it was new sealed).
My T813 is still running great, so I'm not really in the market for a tablet right now. Maybe, if the S3 drops in price sufficiently, I might upgrade to it to get the pen, but otherwise, I'm good.
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I just checked both the ones I just bought were $349, both T813, the 9.7" ones. These last two were for my wife and son. I believe mine I actually picked up for $299, but that was back when the S3 had come out IIRC.
I bought one on Amazon for my son. Then when I decided I wanted a second one for my wife, they had already sold out, so I picked up a second one on eBay (it was new sealed).
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In my country, Indonesia, secondhand Tab S2 9.7 will set you back Rp1.450.000,00 (which translates to around $105). But it has a caveat, the screen has shadow problem (but still, i can bear it for that kind of price!)
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In my country, Indonesia, secondhand Tab S2 9.7 will set you back Rp1.450.000,00 (which translates to around $105). But it has a caveat, the screen has shadow problem (but still, i can bear it for that kind of price!)
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Had I found any used ones for that price I might had considered it. In my area most people ask $300 for a used one. (Seriously, two in my area right now for sale, both $300) For the price it would be dumb not to buy a brand new one for only $50 more. These replaced our Nexus 7 (2013 models) which I did pick up 2 of the 3 used reasonably locally.
My play might be to wait for the eventual S3 price drop and pick one up to replace my 0G Tab S.
I'm just praying they will make a smaller model of S4. 16/9 would be a gift as well.
They need to give us an option priced equivalent to the 'normal' ipad and stop pretending that it can go head-to-head with the Pro line. Pen is nice and all but there's just not enough software to justify it.
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They need to give us an option priced equivalent to the 'normal' ipad and stop pretending that it can go head-to-head with the Pro line. Pen is nice and all but there's just not enough software to justify it.
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Yes, but this is Samsung, and they think they are the Apple of the Android world. Arguably, they shouldn't be charging iPhone money for the Galaxy S series either. My wife's 6S plus performs better than my S7 Edge in almost every way, to the point I have even considered getting her a new phone and taking her old one. The keyboard/app lag on the Galaxy devices is absurd for a device costing that much. Just texting from my device is an exercise in frustration compared to her phone or even my old HTC One M8.
The irony is that they could dramatically improve the performance of their devices by doing LESS. Drop TouchWiz, lightly skin AOSP, and maybe do a custom launcher. It's infuriating.
I like my 8" Tab S2 and my S7 Edge phone but my 10.5" iPad Pro blows away any Android device I've ever had (and I've had a lot since Android's intro). Outstanding performance and stability and a whole lot of very polished apps. iOS was difficult to adjust to but I've found ways to do anything I wanted to get done with a tablet. It would take something very special to get me to invest in a new Android tablet again (but I'll stick to Android phones and will continue to use the S2 Tab as a mini tablet).
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I like my 8" Tab S2 and my S7 Edge phone but my 10.5" iPad Pro blows away any Android device I've ever had (and I've had a lot since Android's intro). Outstanding performance and stability and a whole lot of very polished apps. iOS was difficult to adjust to but I've found ways to do anything I wanted to get done with a tablet. It would take something very special to get me to invest in a new Android tablet again (but I'll stick to Android phones and will continue to use the S2 Tab as a mini tablet).
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Agreed on iOS being slicker than Android. Unfortunately, that means buying into the Apple ecosystem, because anything "not Apple" is either not supported, or not supported well. In my case, I use Chromecast devices a lot, especially the Chromecast Audio. While there are a few apps for casting to them on iOS, none of them are great (save for VLC, which isn't iOS specific). The alternative would be to replace all those devices with AppleTVs, which would be prohibitively expensive at the moment.
Of course, I'm a power user, so iOS is a poor fit for me anyway. I like that I can setup impromptu servers to move files back and forth between my Android devices, that I can run a different launcher (almost invariably Nova launcher), etc. In fact, the biggest thing keeping me on Android is the fact that I can move files around trivially between devices or servers without having to deal with iTunes or some other app. Just trying to organize music, video, and e-books on my iPad was enough to make me switch to the Tab S2 in the first place.
Every time I get fed up with Android's quirks (or Samsung's quirks), or I pick up one of my family's iPads, I inevitably run into one of the limitations that made me go with Android in the first place.