Database Users

So many Xperia X10 issues...

Alright I have thought about making this post and after making an intense review of the latest issues users are reporting I believe now its the time.
So after 13 days of using the Xperia i have suffered from:
Extreme battery flush even in standby.(I use Task Panel lite to auto-kill apps not needed and still get surprises...)
1.6 Android compatibility issues with latest 2.1 programs.
Snapdragon processor that cant stand lagging on Timescape and Mediascape
Phone calls not heard correctly on the other side of the line.
No fre GPS support like TOMTOM or similar even do the chip is there.
Multitouch debates.
No root as of today...(yes i know no one promised...)
...and many other issues users are experimenting on their devices that really aint freaking cool.
So the dilemma is... Is it really worth all the headaches?
I mean very few have gone clean without any issues but many others have problems from the moment the Xperia pops its head out of the box.
I am starting to feel like it was a major mistake to trade in my HD2 for this so new stylish and hot piece of s*** that is begging for major concerning updates on behalf of SE. Maybe something spectacular might happen on its own that will make my 489€ phone work like it should, but as the days go by I see that if it aint one thing is another involved in the issues evolving the super dupper Xperia X10 that had promised to be the next best thing since sliced bread, but turns out its looking more like an overtoasted slice to me...
How do you people feel about this ?

Diamond777 said:
How do you people feel about this ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Simply put, I feel it's a spectacular phone Timescape and Mediascape need some work, but otherwise I have zero issues and I'm enjoying this phone ALOT.

Many of those are not major issues and are really the result of someone complaining. I mean 2.1 applications dont work properly with 1.6? Really? I find the phone fast and the battery great. I and many of my friend who have iphones were immediately impressed with the speed of this phone. Do you have a ton of applications constantly updating? My phone easily lasts all day long on one charge with heavy use and thats all you can ask from a smartphone. An Iphone barely lasts 10 hours for me. Couldnt tell you it didnt have multitouch because I do not miss it, or even care about it.
I am actually ecstatic with this phone. It has exceeded my expectations.

Headaches, really? I don't know what the complains are. SE told everyone that it is being shipped with 1.6. I have been using 1.6 with the HTC Magic and I knew exactly what to expect.
Battery? Read about others phones. It is the same complain all over. I remember when I had the Nokia N95 and that was the first complain out of the box. Just be patient and wait a couple of weeks to see if there is a trend.
Root? No one promised you that the phone will be rooted. Root is at the mercy of whoever is interested in tinkering with the phone.
Multitouch? Over-rated. Never liked it eventhough my HTC Magic has it with the Amon_Ra rom. I prefer using the +/-.
In the end, it is a matter of expectations. There is nothing really wrong with the phone, as promised by SE.

With complete honesty I can say that after two weeks of using the X10 I am finding little to complain about.
Battery life has improved and I can use it heavily for a full days work without problem.
Lots of reviews before release complained of lag, but I really have seen no lag on this phone, I am not currently using a task killer as I believe it does more harm than good.
My only 'customizations' have been to load the HTC keyboard and use K9 for email (I needed push!). Other than that I really think it is the best phone I have had.
Sent from my X10i using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

Yes, even with all the quirks, battery problem, unironed Mediascape (managing Playlist), X10 is my best phone yet. Can't wait for all of those stuff to be ironed out.

I had a HTC HD2 previously, was one of the first to own one. Now THAT was a phone with serious issues, pink camera pictures, sms messages stuck in outbox were the two biggest.
This Xperia X10 is a fantastic phone in comparison, I can't put my finger on what it is, maybe its the android OS, I don't know but I love it.
Issues for me inlude
Battery drainage, which I'm starting to be quite thankful for in a weird kind of way. Because it runs down by the early evening, I'm chargin g it every night, so it is always fully charged the next day
Lack of camera automatic flash is a pain.
Call volume is low.
The butons whilst making a call are odd. There are no call and reject hard keys which I find annoying.
I turned TimeScape off straight away as it was a waste.
Everything else is prety perfect for me, even the older Android OS.

Diamond777 said:
........
No fre GPS support like TOMTOM or similar even do the chip is there.
.... ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What did I miss? Since when is Tomtom free? There are enough GPS packages out there:
-iGo/MotoNav
-CoPilot
-Sygic
-etc etc
You choose!
As for your other points:
-Battery will get better, I'm now getting 48 hours out of it. All smartphones suffer from this. I see some users getting amazing results with the battery. Better standby time than any of the competition. Just give it some time to break-in nicely.
-Android 1.6 .. I don't miss anything. If 2.1 was so important to have right away you should have bought the Desire/N1 (but then you wont have the good camera and spectacular design)
-Snapdragon lags, it seems to lag sometimes on the other phones too
-Phone calls work allright for me, maybe bad reception/bad sim?
-Multitouch, same as Android 1.6, you knew it hadn't MT when you bought the device, so why complain? With the 4" screen I don't miss MT, I don't game on the X10.
-Root will come, again you knew this when you bought the phone..
The X10 is the best phone I owned period. However it could give you headaches if it's not the right phone for you. However you should have noticed that when browsing specs/reading reviews/buy the phone...

I get all your points guys and I appreciate the feedback.
Slight correction: With free GPS I meant without using 3G assistance, like Igo08 for example.
But your right, the battery issue should settle in after a few more days and I really hope to adapt myself to the X10 way of doing things.
Obviously when Timescape makes the correct modifications it will kick some serious butt... BUT for now you gotta give it to me that it was presented in a way smoother way then it really is! anyhow thanks for the feedback once again.

I have to Agree with Cinner.....after 1 1/2 weeks with this phone, I still have a hard time putting it down. The battery life could better as 10 hours of life is not enough but the overall feel and UI make up for that shortfall.
The HTC magic I had was on its 3rd replacement before trading for the X10....so far no lock ups or freezing

Diamond777 said:
I get all your points guys and I appreciate the feedback.
Slight correction: With free GPS I meant without using 3G assistance, like Igo08 for example.
But your right, the battery issue should settle in after a few more days and I really hope to adapt myself to the X10 way of doing things.
Obviously when Timescape makes the correct modifications it will kick some serious butt... BUT for now you gotta give it to me that it was presented in a way smoother way then it really is! anyhow thanks for the feedback once again.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can use any of the Android compatible GPS applications(Sygic,N_drive,Motonav,Copilot)without 3G assistance(Turn it off)and still get a very fast gps lock.

sammis said:
You can use any of the Android compatible GPS applications(Sygic,N_drive,Motonav,Copilot)without 3G assistance(Turn it off)and still get a very fast gps lock.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the tip, I will look into it

Well, none of them are free.
This is the only thing making me still use my 5800 XM as my main phone and the X10 as media device

issues with xperia x10
I agree with the original post.
I have been experiencing many issues too with xperia x10 and i am very disappointed with this device.
I had an HTC Hero before and when i now switched to xperia x10 it feels like going back in time. The user experience and usability of the interface is far from the HTC Sense UI. You can really feel that HTC has been testing, merging, integrating and polishing many nice widgets to make the user have a good use of the android phone functions.
As some examples, the x10 comes with 3 emails clients by default (e-mail, gmail, moxier mail), but none of them can show all mail accounts integrated in the same. Why so many applications for emails????
I have to switch from one application to the other to see all my emails from various accounts, ex gmail, outlook exchange i need to use moxier mail. It was also not possible to add IMAP with certificate to the standard e-mail client, you have to use another speciifc program (moxier mail) for direct connection to exchange server and synch. The calender had the same issue. The calendar widget only shows google calendar and does not integrate both outlook calendar and google in the same as the HTC Hero. HTC Hero provides a single email clienst which shows all the emails from all accounts, very nice, and so easy to set up, same for calendars.
When i first started the X10 phone it had very little on the start screan, no widgets really, only the timescape, which was empty, and a browser which was empty too. no music player widget. no weather widget by default either. very bad impression. HTc comes with all widgets pre-installed, the music player is really good. Xperia x10 media scape looks really bad in comparison.
Another issue was when i wanted to use TED application to see videos from TED talk, well no video at all, only sound plays back. the application worked perfectly in HTC Hero which had same android 1.6 version...hmmmm.
Another issue is the battery as well, i feel really as the battery is comsumed very fast, it lasted only 7h.
The screen and design cannot be changed either, or i havenät figured out how, it seems as you can change only the background picture of the desktop, but not the overall theme of the phone, incl sounds and colors of windows.
The white text on fading blue background color is very difficult to read, especially on the bottom of the device...so only the 2/3 upper part is readable when in menus/settings. I also have been missing the trackball.
In htc hero (and all other htc sense phones like htc desire) you can customise the phone screens and themes much more and the overall design is consistent in all places.
I also find no use of mediascape or timescape. Mediascape is a bit rudimental compared with other media player. Timescape is really unusable, since you can´t read the text over the images in the backgroud, and the smaller one have so small text as well.
Positive things? .. let me think hard ... yes 3: the sligthly large screen, the 8m camera, the accessories.
In xperia x10 you can feel that the SonyEricsson team was not really ready when they shipped this phone. I really hope that the 2.1 upgrade coming will also bring some better integration, consistency and GUI improvements as HTC does. Onother solution would be to get the htc sense rom on the x10.

This thread should be retitled to "So few issues with x10". The post preceding mine is downright laughable, not enough widgets! Are you serious? That's your niggle? This easily SE's most ready for primetime phone EVER.

no one is perfect. and this applies to cell phones. if you don't like it. sell it to someone else who will appreciate it more.
and btw. i am enjoying my new X10 VERY MUCH.
its nice that you point out some of the negative issues about the phone but dont make it sound like SE made the phone just for you and you are not satisfy with it.
email your pts to SE and hope they will improve base on your opinion

Completed my 15th day with X10. First few days I was worried about battery but all that got better as I know I was using my phone a lot more than I normally do the first few days as I am trying to customize and play with the phone. Now, it easily lasts me like any other phone I had recently (Nexus One, iPhone 3GS, X1, etc).
I feel it's the best phone I ever owned even though I have a long wishlist but mainly the ability to create playlists and also to be able to add a track to the listening queue and smart dialer. There are free apps for smart dialer but I love the look of X10 dialer so I end up going back to it even though I miss the smart dial feature.
I don't see any lag with TimeScape or MediaScape. All I notice is if I open TimeScape after several hours and I have several new updates on Twitter and Facebook, it takes time only because it is trying to download data to update the tiles. If I am on WiFi, even these downloads happen quite fast.
The only main mod I did is change the keyboard to Swype.

Yes The X10 have problems, some people can live and still love it, others just can't stand it. Nothing is perfect, if you can't live with it, just part with it really.
I love my X10 with all its quirks, just to be a little bit patient till the Pros root the device and start cooking. SE won't do any updates until they release Android 2.1, lucky if we get that by september.

i dont know what you talking about. i know some have batteri iddue but i think domthing is erong with the batteri or phone since i dont have anny problem. the only bug/ issue the phone has is bluetoth that will be fixt in a patch. yes it can take 5 - 10 sec load timescape but its not lagy at al at my phone. send your phone back for repair and it will be fixt
Sent from my X10i using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk

noblackthunder said:
i dont know what you talking about. i know some have batteri iddue but i think domthing is erong with the batteri or phone since i dont have anny problem. the only bug/ issue the phone has is bluetoth that will be fixt in a patch. yes it can take 5 - 10 sec load timescape but its not lagy at al at my phone. send your phone back for repair and it will be fixt
Sent from my X10i using the XDA mobile application powered by Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think you have demonstrated another 'out of the box' issue with the X10 in your post there ! The shoddy default keyboard included on the X10 I have updated to the HTC keyboard and that is workng fine now, though I still find the IPOD keyboard easier to use....

A proposal to Back to Basics.

I Propose that we go back to basics on the Newest 2.1 rom. They have the source, the offical rom, and now i feel we need to start from the begining to make a better end. The Evo is coming closer to our grasps, but those of us who can't afford it will stay with the Hero until we can get it for as long as a year or more. I know after watching the forums for quite some time that one problem has plaugued the functionality of the HTC Hero and the MT3G (Since Mt3g was my first android phone).
The Navigation of the Hero is something to be less desired of. There are three reasons why I feel, if this problem were fixed, could help us enjoy our devices a little better.
First, Overall navigation. The navigation seems to lag even when the phone is overclocked it feels like when you touch the screen it is not communicating with drivers or hardware directly and feels like it has to go through unneccessary checks and balances before telling hardware where your finger is at.
Second, Call Navigation. How many times have you ended a call only to dial another person when you put it in your pocket after locking the screen? Sure there are some who will say "I don't have this problem" Thats like saying "I am not human" I have watched my phone lag when navigating call menu's and im sure you all have as well.
Third, Music Navigation. The music application on the Hero is apauling at best. It lags and sometimes skips over several songs when forwarding to the next track. Even overclocked to 700 mhz the music app is not as responsive as it should be compared to other mp3 capable phones.
What it boils down to? No, this is not a rant. This is a proposal of back to basics and I feel regardless of how fast we can make the phones or how much we can strip the roms we will never be happy unless we solve the navigational issues driving this amazing piece of hardware down. If I had the capable means I would. I do not. I can only make proposals and suggestions hoping that the devs will see the same light I see in the same tunnel.
What do you think? Please be adult about this and creative answers only.

Theres an app for the dialer problem called Not Call Log found in the market. It seemes to be quicker when using a 1.5 ROM, but still does the trick.

I agree. Now that 2.1 has be released I think focus should be on it. However I'm sure there are devs that are doing so behind the scenes. I know Fresh has got a pretty sweet Rom out.
-------------------------------------
Sent via the XDA Tapatalk App

I'd love to see a fully working AOSP 2.1 that has MMS working. (Darch is doing great but we still lack MMS heh)

Lag? What lag?

Is it me or has this so called lag been blown completely out of proportion with the SGS? I used to have a HTC Hero, I tell you, it's like going from riding a snail to a rocket fuselage. That phone was so slow, a phone may I add which only a year ago was seen as the 'iPhone killer'.
Please are there any previous HTC Hero users who now own a SGS? You have to speak out!
I mean sure, I've used a HTC Desire, it's very fast. But the only difference I have noticed is that on the SGS sometimes Apps take around 3secs longer to open than they should. That's it!! I mean, why are you all complaining so much! It's just as fast as the Desire except that point.
I have now had the SGS for 2 weeks, I haven't noticed any considerable slowdown. It works great! Why are you all complaining like babies? Have you installed Crysis 2 on your SGS or something, obviously your phone would never work again if you did that. Before anybody asks, I have made no changes to my SGS. I have an unlocked SGS, still on Touchwiz, no flash, no root. I don't even use task killer for God's sake. Please would someone explain to me what the big deal is?

What you have to realise is that it's not an always persistent problem. The phone in general is extremely fast, however with earlier firmwares the phone does not free up memory effectively. 3 seconds is nothing, but I recall sometimes waiting 10-15 seconds for the Dialer to launch. And when the memory is really really clogged up, it's a complete pain even pressing the home screen button (waiting 10 seconds to go to home isn't pretty either). For a phone with so much power, do you really think this is normal?

The difference must just be that I'm not a heavy app user. I still have the stock firmware the phone came with. Never had a 10 second delay with anything. Never noticed any sort of build up of lag. It works great! Do you guys install like 50 apps on your phones or something? Clearly that must be your problem.

I have never had any problems either (other than with flaky GPS).
Someone told me how to replicate the lag issue, and it boiled down to having 8-odd apps running in the background at once. I would expect the same on my multi-core 4GB RAM iMac, let alone a phone with 256MB RAM.
Not saying others are only having problems with the above situation, but it does seem like there are specific factors that cause it, which is why a lot of people have had no problems.

The phone has 512mb ram.
Just that currently, HiMem is not available (will be in froyo as a default, and if we're lucky, in the JF6 firmware as well)

Pika007 said:
The phone has 512mb ram.
Just that currently, HiMem is not available (will be in froyo as a default, and if we're lucky, in the JF6 firmware as well)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know, but until we can actually use it, we are limited to 256MB (or was it 232MB?)

SGS has 512MB RAM

Robin.B said:
What you have to realise is that it's not an always persistent problem. The phone in general is extremely fast, however with earlier firmwares the phone does not free up memory effectively. 3 seconds is nothing, but I recall sometimes waiting 10-15 seconds for the Dialer to launch. And when the memory is really really clogged up, it's a complete pain even pressing the home screen button (waiting 10 seconds to go to home isn't pretty either). For a phone with so much power, do you really think this is normal?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
And although I am not a really heavy app user, I am a heavy user, and it wasn't hard to make the phone lag quite heavily at times, so I'd say no, it has not been blown out of proportion.

Robin.B; said:
What you have to realise is that it's not an always persistent problem. The phone in general is extremely fast, however with earlier firmwares the phone does not free up memory effectively. 3 seconds is nothing, but I recall sometimes waiting 10-15 seconds for the Dialer to launch. And when the memory is really really clogged up, it's a complete pain even pressing the home screen button (waiting 10 seconds to go to home isn't pretty either). For a phone with so much power, do you really think this is normal?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1.
More serious in some applications like mails, RSS reader. It's so slow that I don't even use my SGS for my mails, or to read news anymore.

Tachikoma_kun said:
I have never had any problems either (other than with flaky GPS).
Someone told me how to replicate the lag issue, and it boiled down to having 8-odd apps running in the background at once. I would expect the same on my multi-core 4GB RAM iMac, let alone a phone with 256MB RAM.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Tachikoma_kun,
Please understand that Android does not work like the Mac OSX on an iMac, and that, if you open 8 odd apps in a row, you should _not_ have them all running in the background at once.
Android's memory management should close applications and free memory as needed. Processes will start if needed, be set to inactive as long as possible and killed if necessary. This works fine with other Android devices and obviously not with the Galaxy S.
You can read about the life cycle of Android Components at
http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/fundamentals.html
Using a task killer to free up memory might make your Galaxy S faster than not using one, but this is still a lot less efficient than it should be. In a working Android system you should use the most out of your available memory and the system should stay fast as you open and switch between applications. You should never have to think about which applications are running or not running.
Again, this works just fine with other devices. If it does not work with the Galaxy S then this is a serious flaw in the system. The flaw might be related to the slow I/O on the internal SD, or maybe there is a firmware bug besides the I/O. But it is currently not working correctly.
If you have access to 256mb memory of RAM, and you use a task killer to always keep 100MB free, then you use your device like it only had 156MB.
I also do not believe that the average customer without a technical background is able to use a task killer without shooting himself in the foot. Without knowledge about what each application and service does, and how android manages background processes, how should a normal user know what he can kill and which services he should keep running?

lag problem blown out of proportion. May be froyo update will satisfy the hunger of these power hungary geeks.

lag problem blown out of proportion. May be froyo update will satisfy the hunger of these power hungary geeks.

eaglesteve said:
+1.
More serious in some applications like mails, RSS reader. It's so slow that I don't even use my SGS for my mails, or to read news anymore.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I just don't get it. I've never had this problem. Emails and news update perfectly with no lag.

Enarca said:
I just don't get it. I've never had this problem. Emails and news update perfectly with no lag.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Perhaps whether a person thinks it's slow or not depends on what that person was used to?

That is exactly what i was telling people.
I come from the HTC Athena, and OMG... that thing is like crawling on sand, even with its super duper 625 Mhz CPU which by then was supposed to be the state of the art.
yet everything i did was sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow, using the SGS was like smooth flowing water, everything is perfect in this phone out of the box.
Enarca said:
Is it me or has this so called lag been blown completely out of proportion with the SGS? I used to have a HTC Hero, I tell you, it's like going from riding a snail to a rocket fuselage. That phone was so slow, a phone may I add which only a year ago was seen as the 'iPhone killer'.
Please are there any previous HTC Hero users who now own a SGS? You have to speak out!
I mean sure, I've used a HTC Desire, it's very fast. But the only difference I have noticed is that on the SGS sometimes Apps take around 3secs longer to open than they should. That's it!! I mean, why are you all complaining so much! It's just as fast as the Desire except that point.
I have now had the SGS for 2 weeks, I haven't noticed any considerable slowdown. It works great! Why are you all complaining like babies? Have you installed Crysis 2 on your SGS or something, obviously your phone would never work again if you did that. Before anybody asks, I have made no changes to my SGS. I have an unlocked SGS, still on Touchwiz, no flash, no root. I don't even use task killer for God's sake. Please would someone explain to me what the big deal is?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Im not a SGS owner but i keep noticing the reference to the desire. I did own a snapdragon device until about a week ago. (Droid Incredible). Switched to droid x. The only real reason i believe there is lag on the samsung is the touchwiz. The cpu&gpu in the SGS IS FAR SUPERIOR to that of the desire. Htc just has the most polished custom ui. If u get launcher pro id be willing to bet that lag is gonzola in a hurry. Maybe give this a try? Just trying to help my fellow androiders out. Goodluck fellas
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App

ksizzle9 said:
Im not a SGS owner but i keep noticing the reference to the desire. I did own a snapdragon device until about a week ago. (Droid Incredible). Switched to droid x. The only real reason i believe there is lag on the samsung is the touchwiz. The cpu&gpu in the SGS IS FAR SUPERIOR to that of the desire. Htc just has the most polished custom ui. If u get launcher pro id be willing to bet that lag is gonzola in a hurry. Maybe give this a try? Just trying to help my fellow androiders out. Goodluck fellas
Sent from my DROIDX using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what made you choose a Droid X vs. a SGS i9000?
the 2 phones are almost identical, except for the camera.

the lag is very real.
try opening Dolphin HD and then closing it again .....about 8+ seconds to do either, and that's with nothing else open.
instantaneous on the nexus with 2.2.
some apps are much slower than others, some there is no difference, but even the default samsung apps such as phonebook have a good lag when switching between tabs.

eaglesteve said:
Perhaps whether a person thinks it's slow or not depends on what that person was used to?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree. I'm guessing you haven't used/owned a HTC Hero? If so, you haven't experienced the PAIN!! lol.

On my side I don't have any heavy app, I don't do games, or HD stuff what I expect from my phone is to be able to show me my mail ... and that's where I have plenty of lag ( not all the time but everyday for sure).
Lag to open the mail, lag to delete the mail, lag to come back on the homescreen.
Up to 15 sec to come back from the settings menu.
My benchmark is the iphone 3GS but also the HTC P3600 and the HTC diamond which are not that fast
I have never been waiting so long in front of my phone.
Excuse me if I am working with my phone and I don't want to wait 10 sec all the time.
And stop insulting people who complains please
Oh and the comment about installing 50 apps .... please learn how android is supposed to work. I should be able to install 1000 app without any problem. Who care about the number of app installed ???
By the way, when I have a lot of lag I go in systempanel to see what it my amount of memory and it's around 30-50 Mb so it should not be a problem.

[Q] what are the limits of the wildfire?

im trying to decide between the wildfire and desire.
without going too into things, the wildfire has it's drawbacks (screensize, processing power), but it alot more affordable than the desire. that said, desire has the big screen and more raw power.
so to help me decide which i should go for, could you guys clarify some usability questions i have:
- a key feature (one of many!) on my current touchHD WM handset is the ability for handwriting notes. alot quicker to write down letters/number combinations (useful being in IT!). is the wildfire capable of reasonably handing fingerwriting?
- does anyone use igo/tomtom - i presume the wildfire is more than capable, i just want to be 100% sure.
- does wildfire lag/pause/freeze? one of the biggest issues i have with my TouchHD is wm6.1 lags, and wm6.5 is just a touch slow in general. this is one of the main factors of considering desire over wildfire.
- aside from the physical/hardware attributes of the wildfire, i cant see any real advantage of the desire over a wildfire.
- keyboard. is the wildfire capable of full QWERTY keyboard accurate typing, or is it a 'compressed' keyboard where QW is on 1 button, ER on the next, TY on the next and so on...
i'm sure i've missed something, but i can always ask that when i remember it
thanks for info guys!

It is quite slow mate. I am not using custom roms and with Android 2,1 its a bit slow.
Every now and then you have to deal with freezes.
Furthermore depending on your fingers handwriting in portrait mode can be a pain ...
This is the big trade off,what u sacrifice for the attractive price. If u can afford desire,and if a cell phone is more to u than a simple phone ,then u should go for desire.
Finally the arrival of desire hd with push down original desire's price
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

thanks for that.
freezing and battery life are the 2 concerns i have.
freezing seems an issue on the wildfire (my concerns, and your experience), although appears to have slightly better battery life.
desire will no doubt need charging every other day but shouldnt suffer from freezing.
ebay has a few at a reasonable price, so i'm very tempted to go grab the desire sim-free.
edit: i might hold out actually, see what peoples experiences are with 2.2. i know 2.2 have a load of speed improvements so may fix the freezing on wildfire. decent handwriting would be a nice feature, but certainly not worth the premium... if handwriting isnt good enough on wildfire then i'll just use voice/keyboard entry.

veehexx said:
thanks for that.
freezing and battery life are the 2 concerns i have.
freezing seems an issue on the wildfire (my concerns, and your experience), although appears to have slightly better battery life.
desire will no doubt need charging every other day but shouldnt suffer from freezing.
ebay has a few at a reasonable price, so i'm very tempted to go grab the desire sim-free.
edit: i might hold out actually, see what peoples experiences are with 2.2. i know 2.2 have a load of speed improvements so may fix the freezing on wildfire. decent handwriting would be a nice feature, but certainly not worth the premium... if handwriting isnt good enough on wildfire then i'll just use voice/keyboard entry.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My 5 copper: Freezing , none. It happens very rarely and when it does , it's me messing it up with custom frameworks and other crap.
Battery time. Right now i have 36hours uptime , about an hour calltime , about 2 hours surfing/marketbrowsing. Half an hour Angry birds and an hour or two of Spotify (offline). When i am not at home i have Wifi off and while on work , i only have 2g enabled.
Speedwise , you can't compare the speed with a Desire ofcourse. but it's much better in 2.2 , and with OC and the tweaks in CM6 it's very tolerable in my opinion. IS the desire worth it's money? , probably. I can only imagine how much better a Desire would be with a tweaked and OC'd rom. Only tried a Desire with original Rom.

I think Tomtom doesn't have version for android and I know igo works on wildfire, but there is no fully working version for 320x240. Version for 320x240 has some problems with icons and text placing out of screen etc.
Use Navigon or Sygic mobile maps for navigation on Wildfire.

Co pilot live works mint on my wildfire, not had any freezes using openfire 2.3, text imput, i use better keyboard and dont have any problems, i have quite big hands too, speed is not a problem and seeing as argos has wildfires for £130, very good price
Sent from my wildfire using XDA App

[RANT] about Android 2.1 text messaging on Wildfire...

...does anyone else feel that the text messaging on Android 2.1 on the Wildfire is complete and utter garbage?
Its as slow as death mainly and takes forever to jump back from a text to the inbox etc and when you send a text you can't jump out for about 5 secs till the text is actually sent. Then when you want to jump from the inbox to the main screen using the back button it takes another 3 secs.
I'm now using 'whatsapp' for messaging and its like a million times faster with almost zero lag! How the hell can a 3rd party app be better than an integrated part of the OS? I don't get it.
Seems like smartphones should be renamed 'dumbphones' as they are crap at being a phone and not quite as good as a computer for the 'smart' stuff! Basically stuck in the middle of nowhere!
Rant over!
ps. i know i expect too much! Just my nature!

It's alright to me.
Also, Android has the power of SMS replacers.
Handcent SMS is a perfect example.

<rant>
how many messages do you have? i had like 3500, then they got deleted when i wiped all the data, and it was as fast as my dads desire. i was shocked. but then i flashed openfire without doing a backup, now ive lost my original rom forever
</rant>
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

I never actually used the stock messaging app. As soon as I got my phone my friend told me to dl handcent.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

kevin2516 said:
I never actually used the stock messaging app. As soon as I got my phone my friend told me to dl handcent.
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, but even handcent and chompsms have anoying lag times. I just did the froyo update this night, and i have the feeling that the lag time is even worse.. shouldn't froyo be faster then eclair? I main, even my MFLOPS are 20% lower now :-o Don't know what to do anymore :s
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

ErwinP said:
Yeah, but even handcent and chompsms have anoying lag times. I just did the froyo update this night, and i have the feeling that the lag time is even worse.. shouldn't froyo be faster then eclair? I main, even my MFLOPS are 20% lower now :-o Don't know what to do anymore :s
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Have a try at Go SMS. It's faster (well I think it is) and also some of the themes are cool , I'm using it as a replacement for HandcentSMS atm.

upgraded to 2.2...
Nothing to do with what app you use anymore, Andriod is just effing crap! Typing just laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags! All i get is lag, constantly having to go back a retype words that have failed to enter properly.
Crap, crap, crap!
Nokia make crap smartphones but bloody good phones that work as a phone and allow u to type as fast as u want and not miss a beat.
Android just lags, crashes and generally feels crap and makes a superb useless Dumbphone!
Rant over.

I have never experienced lag while texting

same here, i've never had lag or any problems with texting.
maybe you're not using your phone properly ;D

yup i am using GO SMS and its quite fast ,.. the most imp setting is that u need to reduce the number of messages that the phone stores per convo. i kept it to 20 and it phone works smoothly.. no lag even in the built in msging app.

and if ur experiencing typing lags again that is due to the excessive memory the phone has to use to get all the stored messages.
ALso download a different keyboard (many avail on market) they are all awesome and really u will experience super fast typing with hardly any lag...
i type on my wildfire all the time.. gtalk, watsapp, imo im, messaging, FB, twitter.. never had any issues

kennyhkw said:
upgraded to 2.2...
Nothing to do with what app you use anymore, Andriod is just effing crap! Typing just laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaags! All i get is lag, constantly having to go back a retype words that have failed to enter properly.
Crap, crap, crap!
Nokia make crap smartphones but bloody good phones that work as a phone and allow u to type as fast as u want and not miss a beat.
Android just lags, crashes and generally feels crap and makes a superb useless Dumbphone!
Rant over.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Don't blame Android, blame HTC. The 2.2 update was crap, which is why many people advised against doing it... it mainly made the phone slower and changed the label to "2.2" from 2.1 as far as a user can see. My phone is snappy and runs fast on CyanogenMod 7 (2.3.2) (which is pure android)
edit: oh and i never experienced lag like how you say even with the htc sense keyboard. (maybe a tiny lag every now and then but nothing big)

i found that turning prediction off did wonders for lag
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

Thanks for the info folks.
I'm actually using Sunaabh's custom 2.2 ROM which is very good overall.
I don't wanna use any ROMs that don't allow the camera to function properly.
Maybe you guys don't type fast enough, i tend to type very fast with the old style phone keypad and i expect the phone to keep up but it doesn't.
I don't care how much memory my messages take up because i bought a smartphone because it should be able to handle it and i shouldn't have to worry about basic crap like that. I expect the phone to work as a phone without any issues. But HTC have failed me. I simply can't imagine how horrible other Android phones are as the Sense overlay is meant to be the best out the lot! And generally its a fantastic overlay apart from the lag.
I suppose i'll just have to learn to type slower.

kennyhkw said:
Thanks for the info folks.
I'm actually using Sunaabh's custom 2.2 ROM which is very good overall.
I don't wanna use any ROMs that don't allow the camera to function properly.
Maybe you guys don't type fast enough, i tend to type very fast with the old style phone keypad and i expect the phone to keep up but it doesn't.
I don't care how much memory my messages take up because i bought a smartphone because it should be able to handle it and i shouldn't have to worry about basic crap like that. I expect the phone to work as a phone without any issues. But HTC have failed me. I simply can't imagine how horrible other Android phones are as the Sense overlay is meant to be the best out the lot! And generally its a fantastic overlay apart from the lag.
I suppose i'll just have to learn to type slower.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Camera works fine on CM7 using Vignette. Sometimes better pics than with sense. only video recording is shaky but even on sense it sucked so doesnt make much of a difference.
And no you're not the only person who types ultra fast, on the gingerbread keyboard (which is supposed to be faster than sense) i got letter repeats because of lag due to word prediction (it wwould come oout like tthis). I turned off the key popups and all lag disappeared
Edit: i seem to remember keyboard lagged quite a bit on the stock rom, but it stopped when i switched to wildpuzzle (this was before cm had even come out)

slideit keyboard with abc mode = flawlezzy
Sent from my HTC Wildfire using XDA App

-it's so annoying, when you are in text messages and you touch a "persons" txt, but it opens ANOTHER person's grouped text!
I've even txted eg. person a, but the message went to person b!
wtf!?