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http://paidcontent.org/article/419-report-sprint-t-mobile-usa-pondering-merger/
I kind of like the idea. T-Mobile gets a bigger coverage area and Sprint gets more customers (meaning: we get more 4g towers if they stick with WiMax).
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Hasnt Sprint already learned their lesson about merging two different companies with seperate technologies? I would hope so...
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http://paidcontent.org/article/419-report-sprint-t-mobile-usa-pondering-merger/
I kind of like the idea. T-Mobile gets a bigger coverage area and Sprint gets more customers (meaning: we get more 4g towers if they stick with WiMax).
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I would actually be kind of pissed about this. I had T-Mobile for 8 years, until last year when I switched to Sprint and the Evo, they moved me to a non-contract plan without my consent(could not find any signed documents anywhere to prove I agreed to this) and would not let me back into a contract. If I wanted the phone discount I had to get a new phone number and contract. So, now I am with Sprint.
From a network standpoint, I would love it. T-Mobile has the best coverage here in AZ.
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Hasnt Sprint already learned their lesson about merging two different companies with seperate technologies? I would hope so...
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Well yeah, the short term challenge is keeping both services running, but eventually they'll get it straightened out.
The G2, the Evo, the MyTouch 4g and the Shift all on the same network? I could get used to that. My G2 could get activated again!
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http://paidcontent.org/article/419-report-sprint-t-mobile-usa-pondering-merger/
I kind of like the idea. T-Mobile gets a bigger coverage area and Sprint gets more customers (meaning: we get more 4g towers if they stick with WiMax).
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Why would we get more 4G towers by merging with T-Molbile if they don't use WiMax? T-Mobile uses HSPA+ for 4G.
Would this mean I would owe Sprint the $1800 that I owe T-mobile???? I sure hope not.
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If it happens, then I believe it would cement Sprint into the transition to LTE. Best way for them to eliminate the technological divide.
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If it happens, then I believe it would cement Sprint into the transition to LTE. Best way for them to eliminate the technological divide.
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Precisely, I think Sprint is doing this to switch to LTE and the transition will be easier with this acquisition. They would not do this to switch T-mobile to wimax and cdma. I think Sprint is looking seriously to make the change and is behind in the LTE race to Verizon and ATT. T-mobile and other partnerships they are pursuing will make the road to LTE much faster. Could be wrong though.
Great idea...Hopefully they keep CDMA & GSM so I can have my Evo on my main line & I can switch between a few GSM devices on my second line.
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Would this mean I would owe Sprint the $1800 that I owe T-mobile???? I sure hope not.
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LMAO!! 1800 tho..
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LMAO!! 1800 tho..
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T-mobile screwed my plan all up when I got the G1 and refused to fix it so I left them for Sprint and never paid They said they'll settle for $800 but I said no. Maybe Sprint will cut me some slack
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T-mobile screwed my plan all up when I got the G1 and refused to fix it so I left them for Sprint and never paid They said they'll settle for $800 but I said no. Maybe Sprint will cut me some slack
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careful they don't come after you.
No! I dont see them merging.. they already have three networks... dont need to add more.
Originally Posted by Ruki_Uki
T-mobile screwed my plan all up when I got the G1 and refused to fix it so I left them for Sprint and never paid They said they'll settle for $800 but I said no. Maybe Sprint will cut me some slack
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Hey I just talked to your credit. It said LMFAO.
i do not see this happening even though ive seen this rumor on several sites. i mean would sprint go gsm then? or would they offer both cdma & gsm phones?
i mean sprint does not allow any phone they do not sell onto their network. if this happens tons of iphone users will be pissed off.
Isn't the old nextel Network the same as Tmobils? Sprint could just phase out cdma and combine the tmobil and Nextel networks, then convert all wimax to LTE. Although they might have an issue with the people who bought wimax phones, they could just give them $200 toward a new lte 4g phone with a 2 year contract and call it a day.
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No! I dont see them merging.. they already have three networks... dont need to add more.
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1. iDEN network is being phased out in 2013, freeing up spectrum for Sprint's 3G/4G.
2. Switching to LTE is supposed to be 'easy' since it shares 70-80% of its DNA with Wimax.
3. Sprint's Network Vision will consolidate its different network equipment/stations, making them take up less space and less cost to run.
4. T-Mobile is in dire need of spectrum, which Sprint/Clearwire has a lot of.
5. T-Mobile has not yet adopted a new 4G network (LTE) beyond its enhanced HSPA network marketed as '4G'.
HSPA+ > all 4G (WiMax or LTE)
I think this is a great idea.... the problem of separate networks was solved ages ago.. dual mode GSM/CDMA phone.... If sprint did this they would increase the footprint and just use dual mode phones and there we go done deal.
Before Sprint went CDMA, they were called Sprint Spectrum, using GSM. When Sprint made the switch to CDMA they spun off their GSM network into a company called Voice Stream, which later became T-Mobile. If Sprint were to merge with T-Mobile, it would just be Sprint bring home it's off spring.
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Before Sprint went CDMA, they were called Sprint Spectrum, using GSM. When Sprint made the switch to CDMA they spun off their GSM network into a company called Voice Stream, which later became T-Mobile. If Sprint were to merge with T-Mobile, it would just be Sprint bring home it's off spring.
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I remember voicestream and I do hope that they do merge.
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4g wimax/ LTE both?
Got the epic a few weeks ago and the display sheet for the phone showed wimax and lte but the evo didn't. So I asked the sale person if it is a typo and he said no. The phone would need just the software to enable the LTE. He asked a co worker and he said the same. Does the epic actually have a wimax/lte enabled chip or are they just going by a typo? Was just wondering as I know sprint is looking at LTE now.
Highly doubt it...there isn't much of a way to get a sim card in the phone...
A combination flustercuck of a typo and reps who don't know what they were talking about.
Epic has no LTE hardware.
I figured they were stupid. I figured if they really put both chips in here the cost would be more kinda like a global phone. Would be cool though if they would and allowed us to use verizons lte just like roaming on the 3g side.
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Highly doubt it...there isn't much of a way to get a sim card in the phone...
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Lte doesn't need sim cards and he didn't say gsm say your response is not valid. I'm not 100% on this but all sprint has to do for lte is switch out very minor things. The only difference with our phones is the spectrum it is looking for. So since we have 4g and maybe the software can make it lte. Its possible I think.
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Lte doesn't need sim cards and he didn't say gsm say your response is not valid. I'm not 100% on this but all sprint has to do for lte is switch out very minor things. The only difference with our phones is the spectrum it is looking for. So since we have 4g and maybe the software can make it lte. Its possible I think.
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Doesn't LTE require a sim card though? I remember seeing a sim card on the thunderbolt
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http://www.google.com/m/url?client=...YQFjAA&usg=AFQjCNGVHbjKzqjmuBU-GpssbLsI8KIueg
Lte is using sim cards...at least on verizon's implementation.
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I bet that will allow lte roaming on att/tmobile one day then. Dang.
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I bet that will allow lte roaming on att/tmobile one day then. Dang.
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Never. Different spectrum used and even then ATT and Verizon have no reason to sign roaming agreements when they are each others biggest competitors.
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Lte doesn't need sim cards and he didn't say gsm say your response is not valid. I'm not 100% on this but all sprint has to do for lte is switch out very minor things. The only difference with our phones is the spectrum it is looking for. So since we have 4g and maybe the software can make it lte. Its possible I think.
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Uh Huh...show me an implementation for LTE that doesn't use a Sim card for network authentication.
I mean GSM doesn't "Require" a sim either, that can be spoofed with hardware...just sayin.
I mean at least in for me, I have put 32 Sim cards in Verizon Pantec UX260 USB Aircards for some reason....
They can configure these phones however they want. We have 4g with no sim card. 4g is almost exactly the same thing as lte just different frequency that's all.
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How about this article where they state what Sprint has said on the matter?
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They can configure these phones however they want. We have 4g with no sim card. 4g is almost exactly the same thing as lte just different frequency that's all.
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Ummm no...the entire protocol is different.
there are currently 3 popular 4g implementations.
HSPA+ with Extended Backhaul (ATT, Tmo)
LTE (VZW, Metro, non national carriers, EVENTUALLY ATT and Tmo on different freqs)
WiMax (Sprint)
The only thing these share is the 4G monicker. The technologies are enitrely different, the protocol is entirely different, the modems are entirely different.
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HSPA+ with Extended Backhaul (ATT, Tmo)
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FTFY. AT&T's HSPA+ is very slow - there's no additional capacity or speed to be had.
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well...i wonder how true that article is...if it could just be a switch on the towers and a software patch it would be nice
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well...i wonder how true that article is...if it could just be a switch on the towers and a software patch it would be nice
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It would be nice cuz we paid a lot money for a 4g phone that some of us don't even have 4g like in San Diego I would be very mad cuz we where promise 4g by the end of this year
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I saw. Some company announcing a dual lte/wimax chip about 6 months ago. Since the modem controls these chips it isn't a far stretch to have software that will switch modems as needed.
According to a seemingly knowledgeable manager I met with (he was down with rooting and xda lol) wimax is compatable with lte with a software update. But, honestly I doubt it.
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According to a seemingly knowledgeable manager I met with (he was down with rooting and xda lol) wimax is compatable with lte with a software update. But, honestly I doubt it.
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That's what the 2 best buy employees said. Wasnt sure as most there are there for the money and know nothing. I asked if the evo had the LTE chip too as it wasnt listed and they said no but the Epic did. I couldnt imagine sprint leaving people hanging in today's phone battles. I will have to ask a store manager if they work there and see if they have any knowledge of it yet or if we will be able to roam. I thought LTE was near the same freq. for sprint and verizon with sprint just having the larger freq bandwidth due to LTE WIMAX.
This came up back when WiMAX was first being introduced. I remember the CEO for Clear said multiple times that the WiMAX infrastructure was software "swappable" to LTE. It wouldn't surprise me if phones were the same.
Well as many of you read on Engadget about Sprint switching from WiMax to LTE. Well naturally being curious, while I was stopping by my parents house on the way home I asked my dad who worked in telecom for most of my life doing contract work for Sprint. He now has since moved out telecom to some other department, but he still keeps up with his telecom friends who do contracting work for Sprint. Anyways back to the point I asked if these rumors were true. He said Yes they are switching from WiMax, but not to what and that Samsung is providing the equipment. If i find out anymore information I will let you know.
i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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i dont really know anything about the 4g radio in my evo, but would it still work on LTE?
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Everything would still work on the phone but the 4G LTE.
There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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There aren't phasing out WiMax yet from what it sounds like, but since the Evo 4G wasn't designed with LTE in mind then no the LTE won't work on the Evo.
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but does this mean that they are going to stop expanding the 4g network, and focus only on getting LTE up in more places? this is kind of a kick in the balls for people who just bought 4g capable devices with sprint.
They'll probably continue to expand and run Wimax on 2.5 Ghz and run LTE in parallel on 850 Mhz.
The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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The way I understand, you would be able to swap out cards in the towers to swap out from wimax to lte... At least on new towers. Is that true?
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Yes, but you can't swap out the hardware in your phone from wimax to LTE.
So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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By the time this is completed, the Evo will be obsolete.
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So sprint gonna issue new lte Evos to us? Lol I mean if this happens then I guess we all have grounds for leaving sprint without etf for them not holding up to their end of the contract....wimax. not saying I'd leave but I enjoy 4g.....on my Evo!
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No lol.. i am sure if you have 4g service you would still get it.
No offense but you have like 5 posts Including 2 in this thread, and you've been a member here just as long as I have pretty much...I'll believe it when I see it, and as ruge said, the evo will be the compare to as the nextel chirp phones back in the day and the razor, obsolete, trust me, no evo will have lte
the Evo 2A will have lte, I promise
Edit: I am changing this because I read this post wrong. You are right they are about to use Samsung products on the new towers but its not to change wimax, it is to make the towers more efficient and smaller. From what I was told they will use new technology which will allow them to add all services on one tower and be able to free up frequency to build out. It would not be imho to drop wimax because they will be the only ones to utilize it giving them an advantage in developing. Back on topic he is correct they are making upgrades and using new hardware within the towers but I think its imho to have voice/data simultaneous on a cdma network (a first) and they will do it with wimax 2 starting 2012...(that is just my opinion)
http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Credit-Suisse-SprintLightsquared-Deal-to-be-Announced-Soon-113587
They seem pretty adamant on sprint moving to lte
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yes it will be BOTH, in years from now, which will be = 2 the razr in todays age
craigbailey1986 said:
This is complete bs as I know 2 top engineers working for sprint and neither have heard such news.... now I usually don't feed into this he say/she say because it won't change a thing but please don't spread speculations amongst the forum without having concrete facts. Sprint also stated recently they were keeping there 800 spectrum and making upgrades to it for business who utilize the "ptt" phones and not using it for lte. All it takes is a little reading....
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I believe I know the article you are referring to as it was in another thread on here and discussed the new PTT service they will use once IDEN is turned off and it will include more speeds and the likes for data.
The way I took the article was that the new PTT phones will take advantage of the new network upgrade they are performing i think its called Sprints Network vision. The multimode base-stations will be the key to it all.
In the end the change allows them to use all the networks more interchangably from what I understand.
I would not expect them to keep the 800MHz band for CDMA PTT. they stated that CDMA PTT phones will be out late this year and if thats the case and they were planning on having them run on the IDEN 800MHz band wouldn't IDEN need to be shut off first? I take it as the CDMA PTT phones will run on the regular network and use data form the 800MHz once they deploy LTE on that. they can't put WiMax on the 800MHz b/c WiMax isn't provisioned in that spectrum at this point.
As I stated in my edited reply it would not make sense to use technology the others are using because it would not make good marketing. Also wimax 2 will be out second quarter or half this year, can't recall, and around the exact same time frame for those new phones. Also the new hardware being supplied to sprint and their new plan is at the core of what wimax 2 is. Which is stated to give better download speed and efficiency thru multi data channels. The company supplying the hardware, Samsung, also The first company to test wimax 2 and said it got 130mbs download, but that's with no one else testing it. But you get the picture.... I hope
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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My main issue with sprint is signal penetration. Once I get in a building or etc my signal just goes to ****. My coworkers have t-mobile and Verizon and they get full bars sitting next to me laughing at my 1 bar. It has been this way for years.
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Sorry to hear that... I also don't get good signal in certain places but hey each carrier has bad spots, when I am in the studio some artist who have iPhone or att don't have any service while myself and engineer have full bars, though he has Verizon
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Poll: Do u think the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will be LTE or Wimax Ready?
Thought this was discussed before but seeing that lte was such a big thing about the GN, i'm willing to put money on it being lte. Especially since sprint will be doing their upgrade to lte, why have such a top of the line, cutting edge phone on a network that's going bye bye?
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Thought this was discussed before but seeing that lte was such a big thing about the GN, i'm willing to put money on it being lte. Especially since sprint will be doing their upgrade to lte, why have such a top of the line, cutting edge phone on a network that's going bye bye?
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Well i hope it is LTE. However i hope it doesn't make sprint release it late when lte finally rolls out.
If it doesn't come LTE ready then its probably a sales tactic. If it doesn't get rolled out til mid 2012 (LTE) then it wouldn't surprise me ifthey didn't have it.
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JohnCorleone said:
If it doesn't come LTE ready then its probably a sales tactic. If it doesn't get rolled out til mid 2012 (LTE) then it wouldn't surprise me ifthey didn't have it.
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When did u get a nexus s?
Also i think the could maybe release it earlier if it didn't have any 4g and just 3g.
is it possible for a phone to be both LTE and WiMax? because if not, and Sprint's actually getting this thing next month, there's no way it'll be an LTE device. Sprint won't have LTE ready for the better part of a year at the earliest.
My gut feel, for the timing of it, is that it won't have any 4g. 6 months ago that would have been crazy, but it wouldn't look as bad now sitting on the shelf next to an iPhone.
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My gut feel, for the timing of it, is that it won't have any 4g. 6 months ago that would have been crazy, but it wouldn't look as bad now sitting on the shelf next to an iPhone.
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Ya i forgot the 3g only option in the poll
Sammy hax the wimax antennas and they got to get rd of them. Wimax has to stay around for a year or better for the people with phones and hotspot cards for home and laptops. Unless there is only one version of the prime, I think they will get there own flavor with wimax.
Got to justify the $10 extra right?
Specs for Galaxy Nexus Prime say LTE and Hspa, no WiMax. Unless they are going to build a special one for sprint 4G will be out of the equation for awhile. Here:
http://www.google.com/nexus/#utm_campaign=us&utm_source=ha-bk&utm_medium=sem&utm_term=+nexus +prime
at first i thought no wimax but it would be stupid to put a lte radio when its going to costs sprint extra money. i am positive they have an inventory of wimax radios they need to get rid of.
It's going to have an LTE radio.
There's no way that they're going to make a special device with Wimax just for Sprint [Now that Sprint has declared Wimax dead] and there's no way that it's not going to have a 4g option [Considering being LTE/HSPA+ capable was part of the presentation]
Being as LTE is right around the corner for Sprint, it's a good selling point too.
I will eat my own head if Sprint releases an LTE phone with functioning LTE network anywhere by Spring 2012.
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I will eat my own head if Sprint releases an LTE phone with functioning LTE network anywhere by Spring 2012.
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That's cool. Sprint never said "Spring 2012"
They said "midyear 2012"
Also, couple of replies to this:
1) If you fully understood Network Vision you would understand why it is going to be very easy for Sprint to reach it's goal of 120 million LTE covered by the end of next year.
2) And really more importantly, if you completely understood Network Vision you would realize that LTE really isn't that important.
The speeds delivered by their 3g coverage, with the roll out of Network Vision, will be more than sufficient enough to not validate wasting the significant battery LTE takes.
I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.
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I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.
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You think its a better marketing standpoint to release a phone with "4g" technology that they're moving away from?
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I can't see Sprint releasing a phone with a 4g radio that cannot be used on its network now - just does not look good from the marketing standpoint. Therefore, I think Nexus Prime Sprint will have a WiMax radio.
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Wouldn't be the first time Sprint releases a phone with features that are planned for future deployment. The EVO 3D comes with their CDMA push to talk technology that's replacing iden. Wouldn't be surprising at all if the Galaxy Nexus included an LTE radio on Sprint's band. I'd really love Sprint's version to be a world phone. Hopefully they can include GSM and HSPA+.
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It's highly possible that the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will include EVDO rev B with 1X Advanced. That means it's 3G speeds could reach 10 Mbps with voice and data simultaneously. That wouldn't be so bad.
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It's highly possible that the Sprint Galaxy Nexus will include EVDO rev B with 1X Advanced. That means it's 3G speeds could reach 10 Mbps with voice and data simultaneously. That wouldn't be so bad.
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Sprint isn't going with Evdo rev. B though...
Just curious if this can be done?
They recently put up a verizon 4g on in my city and was wondering if i can force the epic to roam into verizon 4g, kinda like the roamcontrol app.
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Just curious if this can be done?
They recently put up a verizon 4g on in my city and was wondering if i can force the epic to roam into verizon 4g, kinda like the roamcontrol app.
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No. Totally different technologies.
impossible because Sprint 4g currently runs off a WiMax network which works pretty much as a country wide wifi network. Verizon's runs off of a LTE 4g network, which I THINK (not sure) runs off the same type of networking as 3g...could be wrong about LTE though
You are... but no its not possible OP
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